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Miko789

Hi Rupa,

i would suggest to not do alternate day taper, possibly stabilization issue.

 

go with it every day and then jump to 0.

hope this helps.

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9 hours ago, Miko789 said:

Hi Rupa,

i would suggest to not do alternate day taper, possibly stabilization issue.

 

go with it every day and then jump to 0.

hope this helps.

ok miko

Thank you

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Miko789

your welcome.

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Jumped to zero olanzapine.

Little scared at this moment.

I know next 15 days will not be easy.

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Lesson Learnt : Never give a damn to people in positive or negative manner which will lead you to agony.

Be kind to every one without judging positive or negative manner.

Look at what Lotus Leaf is teaching.

Never allow a mere thought to dare to touch your heart in positive or negative manner.

Love thyself.

Be composed as extremes will harm your brain.

Eat healthy,drink healthy.

Baby sit your Brain.

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pacitane 0.5 mg mornings.

 

 

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dj2010

how much have you jumped from? 1.25 or 0.625? if jumped from 1.25 then this is quite a big jump, olanzapine is very powerful even at small doses, I have been on and off this drug a lot, its truly nasty, I hope the symptoms are not too bad for you,

 

take care

 

 

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1 hour ago, dj2010 said:

how much have you jumped from? 1.25 or 0.625? if jumped from 1.25 then this is quite a big jump, olanzapine is very powerful even at small doses, I have been on and off this drug a lot, its truly nasty, I hope the symptoms are not too bad for you,

 

take care

 

 

Its 0.625 dj.

why are you on and off this drug?

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bhasski

How r u ?

You made a big jump if seen 10% or 5% rule... Actually is 100% of your hold ..

 

Its always 100% in last and that was for you.

You will do good. Don't worry.

And nice lessons in the end.

 

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1 hour ago, bhasski said:

How r u ?

You made a big jump if seen 10% or 5% rule... Actually is 100% of your hold ..

 

Its always 100% in last and that was for you.

You will do good. Don't worry.

And nice lessons in the end.

 

Thank you Bhasski

Every Hi is so much to me at the moment that assuring am not alone in this hardship.

I could not figure out how to do 10% rule as Indian olanzapine not diluting in any liquid.

So I had to rely on pill cutter and I could not cut any smaller than 0.625 as it is already too small crumb.

:)

 

 

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Miko789

 

take care rupa.

good luck with the jump

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7 hours ago, Miko789 said:

 

take care rupa.

good luck with the jump

Thank you miko

so far 6 hours of wierd sleep

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2.30 to 3 hours deep sleep later 3 hours of disturbed sleep. 

This is 4 rth day in a row. 

Today it hitted hard. 

Heavy headedness.

Sleepy feeling.

Jumped to Zero Pacitane from 0.5 mg.

As it is for safeguard of olanzapine, no point to use pacitane further.

Could not bear any medication any more.

 

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where did I do mistake?

I did one month intervals.

Took very long time to reach a small crumb of 0.625

I should have taper alternate day and every two days, three days like that to reach a week?

Will my sleep get better.?

Other than sleep problem no other withdrawal symptoms.

But four days of less sleep hit me hard today.

Uneasyness in the brain.

What should I do?

I should bear, wait and see?

or

I should reinstate 0.625 and once stabilize I should start doing alternate day taper?

Drinking milk and curds bed time.

Not working .

What should I do?

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4 minutes ago, rupa said:

where did I do mistake?

I did one month intervals.

Took very long time to reach a small crumb of 0.625

I should have taper alternate day and every two days, three days like that to reach a week?

Will my sleep get better.?

Other than sleep problem no other withdrawal symptoms.

But four days of less sleep hit me hard today.

Uneasyness in the brain.

What should I do?

I should bear, wait and see?

or

I should reinstate 0.625 and once stabilize I should start doing alternate day taper?

Drinking milk and curds bed time.

Not working .

What should I do?

0.625 i still quite a big dose to jump off at for olanzapine, you need to follow the 10% rule or even 5%,

 

is there not a compound pharmacist that can make you smaller doses? or can you not make your own liquid? you will be best asking the mods about this,

 

from what I have read alternate day taper is not good and further unsettles the nervous system,

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Carmie

Please don’t do alternate day tapers Ripa, it will send you into withdrawals.

 

Im a bit braindead at the moment but from what I’ve read you are dry cutting your doses. It might be time to do water titration to get smaller cuts.

 

You could ask one of the moderators to help you with the math.

 

Again, PLEASE DO NOT DO ALTERNATE DAY TAPERS!!!!

 

Take care

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1 hour ago, rupa said:

Drinking milk and curds bed time.

Not working .

 

They work for normal people.

Not in wdl , activated CNS... 

 

I tried curd.rice ..  again on your advice.. But it doesn't work on me.

 

Also I told you not to stop Pacitane, its hell of a drug... its the reason y I was diganosed bipolar in hindsight.

 

My advice, start pacitane .. you will find relief.. then it also needs a taper.

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Today I started feeling light at brain.

No withdrawals from pacitane. 

I have noticed if we coldturkey at 1 mg or more, by second week brain will reach a kind of nerves system crash.

And settles down by altering the whole brain system.

If we coldturkey even a single dose  

or lower dose brain will go through 3 steps of withdrawal within 8 days.

First step , whole body, heart , face , stomach etc will have to face the pressure.

Once we are out of first stage , it will give a little pause , then intensely strike with second step, where forehead and lobe part of head will come under pressure.

Third step, You will feel the sensation at the top of the head.

Once these 3 steps over, healing begins and you will start feeling better.

There should be world wide agitation that every doctor should intimate the patient about the life threatening risks of cold turkeying.

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I wonder how I am surviving on hardly 3 hours sleep a day. 

I am getting sleep deep but right after 2 hours of sleep hypnopompia interfering with sleep and I had to wake up.

Last night when i tried to sleep back again I got restless legs for the first time of life.

Fear fear fear. 

Which concord life at the moment.

I have noticed, even in between tapering ,Mouth rash is one of the withdrawal.

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46 minutes ago, rupa said:

No withdrawals from pacitane. 

 

Its great thing to hear... And if wdl is getting better, then you will be fine.

 

I wish that things go smooth for you.

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45 minutes ago, rupa said:

Today I started feeling light at brain.

No withdrawals from pacitane. 

I have noticed if we coldturkey at 1 mg or more, by second week brain will reach a kind of nerves system crash.

And settles down by altering the whole brain system.

If we coldturkey even a single dose  

or lower dose brain will go through 3 steps of withdrawal within 8 days.

First step , whole body, heart , face , stomach etc will have to face the pressure.

Once we are out of first stage , it will give a little pause , then intensely strike with second step, where forehead and lobe part of head will come under pressure.

Third step, You will feel the sensation at the top of the head.

Once these 3 steps over, healing begins and you will start feeling better.

There should be world wide agitation that every doctor should intimate the patient about the life threatening risks of cold turkeying.

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I wonder how I am surviving on hardly 3 hours sleep a day. 

I am getting sleep deep but right after 2 hours of sleep hypnopompia interfering with sleep and I had to wake up.

Last night when i tried to sleep back again I got restless legs for the first time of life.

Fear fear fear. 

Which concord life at the moment.

I have noticed, even in between tapering ,Mouth rash is one of the withdrawal.

you have basically jumped off 2 heavy drugs even though they were small doses it still goes against everything taught on this website, if i was you I would reinstate and then continue tapering, as you know this insomnia can last for years,

 

you really need to ask a mod for some help with this,

 

take care

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18 minutes ago, bhasski said:

 

 

Its great thing to hear... And if wdl is getting better, then you will be fine.

 

I wish that things go smooth for you.

Hearty Thanks Bhasski.

You always been supportive to the people in this forum

I deeply pray you would come out of this misery soon. very soon.

 

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20 minutes ago, dj2010 said:

you have basically jumped off 2 heavy drugs even though they were small doses it still goes against everything taught on this website, if i was you I would reinstate and then continue tapering, as you know this insomnia can last for years,

 

you really need to ask a mod for some help with this,

 

take care

Dear dj,

I am very much thankful for your concern.

I wanted to taper micro.

But this medicine is not desolving in liquid.

So I took andy as inspiration and go ahead with pill cutter.

Andy too suffered insomnia and eventually it got better to him.

He used more time and medicines than me.

When he could heal, I wish I too.

Any way If I reach the state of unbearableness,there is always a choice I can restart olanzapine.

It worked very well to me.

Thank you friend.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, rupa said:

Dear dj,

I am very much thankful for your concern.

I wanted to taper micro.

But this medicine is not desolving in liquid.

So I took andy as inspiration and go ahead with pill cutter.

Andy too suffered insomnia and eventually it got better to him.

He used more time and medicines than me.

When he could heal, I wish I too.

Any way If I reach the state of unbearableness,there is always a choice I can restart olanzapine.

It worked very well to me.

Thank you friend.

 

 

sorry to hear you could not dissolve it, still might be worth speaking to a mod to see if any other options

 

I consider olanzapine the worst drug I have been on, every time you restart it though it will be more difficult each time you try come off,

 

I have been off all drugs just over 1 year and I consider myself very close to full recovery, just still dealing with early awaking however sleep is getting closer to normal, hope this is also the case for you,

 

I wish you well, take good care

 

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Not getting sleep whole night.

No tiredness in the brain even I didnt sleep properly from 7 days.

Withdrawal passed. Calmness in the brain.

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Reinstated olanzapine 0.625 and slept well.

No further taper plans as of now.

Will research how to come out of it by restoring natural sleep.

I heard in quora about stem cell therapy for brain.

Need to know more about that.

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Did some research on our this forum about tapering to zero. 

It seems we are all stuck on this meds for life.

Need so much patience to aspire medicine free life.

I do not think my hypnopompia will allow me to sleep after reaching zero.

Feeling like caught with a virus.

Only difference they spoil body and I spoiled brain.

I lost the privilege of natural sleep and nap for ever?

This is it. It feels like down side of days started .

The path to death.

Loosing physical privileges one after one.

Amangalamprathihathamavugaaka.

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joy2730

I don't think for a minute that is true, I think you are thinking wrongly, you are catastrophizing.  You cannot know that is the case, why not change your thinking?

 

 

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10 hours ago, joy2730 said:

I don't think for a minute that is true, I think you are thinking wrongly, you are catastrophizing.  You cannot know that is the case, why not change your thinking?

 

 

Ok Joy.

Thank you for stopping by.

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bhasski

Hey,

Thinking of you lately. How r u doing?

Hoping symptoms gone better.

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1 hour ago, bhasski said:

Hey,

Thinking of you lately. How r u doing?

Hoping symptoms gone better.

Hi...:)

I am stabilized on 0.625.

After jumping to zero suffering with sleeplessness continuously 10 days.

So many wierd symptoms all over the body.

Dj said insomnia will last years.

So frightened and get back to 0.625.

Ever since Researching online how to get past to zero without insomnia.

Did not find any solution so far.

I feel there is no getting back to before meds state of mind.

I wonder how powerful these meds are working even at the lowest dose like 0.625!

I am sleeping 10 hours.

Lingering on hypnopompia before waking up.

I want to come out of hypnopompia.

I want cure.

I want my natural sleep back.

😢

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bhasski

Hmm. 

I am also facing same question. How to get back to the state before meds?

 

There is lot of things going over net world... But not sure whether or not its all business BS ?

 

I have started CBD oil.. Not seeing the benefits yet I was expecting yet.

 

I again ended up spending much in last month for supplements.

Desperation for relief.

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12 hours ago, brassmonkey said:

So, When Will We Get There?

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Like any other parent faced with this question I will give the traditional answer. “We will be there when we arrive”.  There are just too many factors with the medication and when combined with each person’s individual physiology and circumstances it becomes impossible to say.  The one thing we can say is that it will take a lot longer than any of us would like.

 

When we decide to reduce our dependence on psych drugs we are taking a large frightening step into the unknown.  The medical establishment knows very little about how to reduce dependence on these drugs and will frequently give out faulty information as to how to do it and through their lack of knowledge can sometimes force people into very unpleasant conditions. As frightening and painful as those conditions are, after removal of the drugs, they will eventually correct themselves and our bodies will heal.  The one thing that is sure to work is time, lots, and lots of time.

 

Each step of the journey must be taken carefully because it’s a very slippery path filled with things that can trip a person up.  Once they’ve fallen, it’s even harder to get back up to start traveling again.  Everyone is different in how fast they can traverse the path, but everyone must take it very slowly, one step at a time.  There is very little to hang on to along the way to keep from falling and almost nothing that can help speed things up. But there are a few things that will help make the time pass a bit more comfortably.

 

The human body is an amazing thing. From the first combining of two single cells it contains all the information necessary to build itself.  If it gets broken, it has all the information it needs to fix and adjust itself.  It’s such a complex mechanism though it takes a lot of time to sort out what is wrong, adjust the problem one cell at a time and test the results.

 

The latest calculations determined that on average there are 37.2 trillion cells in the human body. About 95% of those cells are replaced each year.  That’s a lot of cells and replacement to keep track of.  Then throw on top of it trying to sort out the changes made by psych drugs to every part and system of the body, and you have a monumental job ahead of you. Which brings up the old question “How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.” Time after time after time……..

Hello Dear Tom,

Very Glad to know your thread.

I am tapering.

I am at 0.625 of olanzapine.

So far I am using 2.5m.g tablets to cut with pill cutter.

It is difficult to cut more than 0.625 accurately.

Please help with the math.

How much water I have to mix to 2.5 mg tablet to take out 0.625 mg and further 10% m.gs accurately with syringe?

Can you please help with the math?

Thank you.

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JanCarol

I moved your query here, Rupa, to your thread, so that it is consistent with your story.  Posting on an instruction thread does not get answers.  Posting on your thread, does.

 

You are quite correct that it is nearly impossible to take less than 0.625 mg of olanzapine without doing liquid taper.  Please put your current dose of olanzapine in your signature, and the last date you tapered.

 

2.5 mg tablets and you are taking 1/4 tablet.

If you dissolve 2.5 mg tablets in 100 ml of water, you draw out 25 ml to make your dose (shake well to make your extraction).  That is 0.625 mg.

 

To taper 10% from there, you will extract 22.5 ml to make your next dose.

You will be able to keep the liquid for 3-4 days in the fridge (in a sealed jar) before it loses potency.  Discard what is left after that!

 

Here are your next few tapers from there:

25 ml = 0.625 mg

22.5 ml = 0.5625 mg

20 ml = 0.51 mg

18 ml = 0.456 mg

16 ml = 0.41 mg

15 ml = 0.37 mg

 

This is 6 months (or more, if you need to hold in between drops) of tapering.

 

I used the 100 ml to make the maths easy, and as you get lower in dose, it is easy to draw from a larger pool.  (the maths would be easier at 2.5 mg dissolved in 25 ml of water - but the syringe draws would be very tiny and hard to be accurate!)

 

I hope this helps, and I hope you see the sun today!

 

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59 minutes ago, JanCarol said:

I moved your query here, Rupa, to your thread, so that it is consistent with your story.  Posting on an instruction thread does not get answers.  Posting on your thread, does.

 

You are quite correct that it is nearly impossible to take less than 0.625 mg of olanzapine without doing liquid taper.  Please put your current dose of olanzapine in your signature, and the last date you tapered.

 

2.5 mg tablets and you are taking 1/4 tablet.

If you dissolve 2.5 mg tablets in 100 ml of water, you draw out 25 ml to make your dose (shake well to make your extraction).  That is 0.625 mg.

 

To taper 10% from there, you will extract 22.5 ml to make your next dose.

You will be able to keep the liquid for 3-4 days in the fridge (in a sealed jar) before it loses potency.  Discard what is left after that!

 

Here are your next few tapers from there:

25 ml = 0.625 mg

22.5 ml = 0.5625 mg

20 ml = 0.51 mg

18 ml = 0.456 mg

16 ml = 0.41 mg

15 ml = 0.37 mg

 

This is 6 months (or more, if you need to hold in between drops) of tapering.

 

I used the 100 ml to make the maths easy, and as you get lower in dose, it is easy to draw from a larger pool.  (the maths would be easier at 2.5 mg dissolved in 25 ml of water - but the syringe draws would be very tiny and hard to be accurate!)

 

I hope this helps, and I hope you see the sun today!

 

Hello Dear JanCarol

This is very much helpful.

I appreciate your help verymuch.

If we dissove 2.5 mg in 100 ml water, wont it be 102.5 ml?

 

I will update my signature as soon as my Laptop available, within 2 days.

Thank you.

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Hey Rupa - I've never done a liquid taper.  I don't think that mg convert to ml - if you DISSOLVE 2.5 in 100 ml, it should still be 100 ml.  If it does increase the volume slightly, it doesn't matter as long as you do it the same way every time.

 

Please study the following topics:

How to Make a Liquid from Tablets or Capsule

 

Using an Oral Syringe and other Tapering Techniques

 

There is a video demonstration, here:

 

 

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On 5/23/2018 at 4:23 PM, JanCarol said:

Hey Rupa - I've never done a liquid taper.  I don't think that mg convert to ml - if you DISSOLVE 2.5 in 100 ml, it should still be 100 ml.  If it does increase the volume slightly, it doesn't matter as long as you do it the same way every time.

 

Please study the following topics:

How to Make a Liquid from Tablets or Capsule

 

Using an Oral Syringe and other Tapering Techniques

 

There is a video demonstration, here:

 

 

Dear JanCarol

This is very much helpful.

Thank you so much.

I am very fortunate to find survivingantidepressants.org.

Fortunate to found you.

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2.5mg+100ml water

Started taking 22.5ml from last night

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