Administrator Altostrata Posted March 30, 2012 Administrator Share Posted March 30, 2012 Nobody's done a comparative study, Schuyler. My opinion is to go off the most activating drug first, the sedating drug may cushion withdrawal symptoms. Whereas, if you go off the benzo first and your GABA system is impaired, however slightly, by benzo withdrawal, it will make antidepressant withdrawal even more difficult. People with the combination of benzo withdrawal and antidepressant withdrawal are up the creek without a paddle -- calming effects of serotonin and GABA both out of commission. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Administrator Karma Posted March 31, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted March 31, 2012 To clarify - I am weaning Xanax down to 0.50 mg if I can get there easy enough. I'm not worried about tolerance because I was at 1 mg for just under 5 years ... if there was going to be tolerance I've been there Once I get to 0.50 mg I'm going to settle in a little and then try and return to my Effexor wean and finish that off. My Effexor wean will start at 3.125 mg unless that is too uncomfortable and if it is I will get a prescription of liquid Effexor and will reduce by less. Ultimately, I think I have to be off of the Effexor before I can come completely off of the Xanax. Then I will come off of Gabapentin ... and I'll be drug free and then weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Love and light, Karma 2007 @ 375 mg Effexor - 11/29/2011 - 43.75 mg Effexor (regular) & .625 mg Xanax 200 mg Gabapentin 2/27/21 - 194.5 mg, 5/28/21 - 183 mg, 8/2/21 - 170 mg, 11/28/21 - 150 mg, 4/19/22 - 122 mg; 8//7/22 - 100 mg; 12/17 - 75mg; 8/17 - 45 mg; 10/16 40 mg Xanax taper: 3/11/12 - 0.9375 mg, 3/25/12 - 0.875 mg, 4/6/12 - 0.8125 mg, 4/18/12 - 0.75 ; 10/16 40mg; 1/16 0.6875 mg; at some point 0.625 mg Effexor taper: 1/29/12 - 40.625 mg, 4/29/12 - 39.875 mg, 5/11/12 - Switched to liquid Effexor, 5/25/12 - 38 mg, 7/6/12 - 35 mg, 8/17/12 - 32 mg, 9/14/12 - 30 mg, 10/19/12 - 28 mg, 11/9/12 - 26 mg, 11/30/12 - 24 mg, 01/14/13 - 22 mg. 02/25/13 - 20.8 mg, 03/18/13 - 19.2 mg, 4/15/13 - 17.6 mg, 8/10/13 - 16.4 mg, 9/7/13 - 15.2 mg, 10/19/13 - 14 mg, 1/15/14 - 13.2 mg, 3/1/2014 - 12.6 mg, 5/4/14 - 12 mg, 8/1/14 - 11.4 mg, 8/29/14 - 10.8 mg; 10/14/14 - 10.2 mg; 12/15/14 - 10 mg, 1/11/15 - 9.5 mg, 2/8/15 - 9 mg, 3/21/15 - 8.5 mg, 5/1/15 - 8 mg, 6/9/15 - 7.5 mg, 7/8/15 - 7 mg, 8/22/15 - 6.5 mg, 10/4/15 - 6 mg; 1/1/16 - 5.6 mg; 2/6/16 - 5.2 mg; 4/9 - 4.8 mg; 7/7 4.5 mg; 10/7 4.25 mg; 11/4 4.0 mg; 11/25 3.8 mg; 4/24 3.6 mg; 5/27 3.4 mg; 7/8 3.2 mg ... 10/18 2.8 mg; 1/18 2.6 mg; 4/7 2.4 mg; 5/26 2.15mg; 8/18 1.85 mg; 10/7 1.7 mg; 12/1 1.45 mg; 3/2 1.2 mg; 5/4 0.90 mg; 6/1 0.80 mg; 6/22 0.65 mg; 08/03 0.50 mg, 08/10 0.45 mg, 10/05 0.325 mg, 11/23 0.2 mg, 12/14 0.15 mg, 12/21 0.125 mg, 02/28 0.03125 mg, 2/15 0.015625 mg, 2/29/20 0.00 mg - OFF Effexor I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. My suggestions are based on personal experience, reading, observation and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers Link to comment
EFXRob Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 While, I am too new to really offer experienced advice... I do have a benzo history...having got off them 21 years ago... so instinctively, what Alto says sounds right to me... let the benzo cushion the AD withdrawal... And really, as I have been reading more and more...I now understand that when I tried twice then, to come off benzos (and some AD I forget, which didn't feel addictive too me at the time) that the crappy times I felt weres actually a prolonged WD... very little tapering... The first time I came off with essentially no help...and certainly no knowledge...( a doctor friend I should try to stop taking them because Lorazapam was a benzo...but I didn't even know, then what a benzo was)... Well the stuff hit the fan... I tried again 18 months later, and took it a little slower. It was in a detox facility... and in the context of an addiction.. and was introduced to AA... While no where near as bad as the first time, I still felt crappy... and had problems getting back into full time life... but slowly did...Also, the more I read about hard times once people are off, I remebered that it was well known in AA in those days...that the 10 month mark was tough for everyone... no matter what substance they had encountered... Karma; Im sure you have learnt to listen to your body.. Wishing you wisdom i your decision making.... Rob Ativan: quite 1990 96-2001: Aropax (Paxil), Luvox. two CTs (bad) 2001-2012: 300 Effexor Nov 2011: 25%, 2 week reduction (v bad) Dec:2011" reinstate to 300mg (Chronic pain condition, well managed) Link to comment
Administrator Karma Posted April 8, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted April 8, 2012 So I saw the bone doctor and unfortunately there was no smoking gun in the lab results . Calcium and PTH (parathyroid hormone) were both in normal range balancing each other. But the CTX test did show that I am turning over a lot of bone. Happily the Bone doctor didn't suggest that I use bisphosphonates . He does think that my thyroid treatment (93.75 mcg T3 only) is contributing to my bone loss, so he asked what happened if I let my TSH lab value come back up (because right now it is suppressed) and I told him that I get depressed, fatigued and feel like life isn't worth living. He said that changing that (the thyroid treatment) was not an option (YAY) (I agree - you are not messing with my thyroid treatment that I have worked so hard to get balanced.) He believes that since my hormone replacement therapy isn't optimized that this is where we need to focus - specifically estrogen. He is running more lab tests to confirm his suspicion. He said that if the estrogen doesn't stop the bone loss then he recommends Prolia. I researched Prolia and I won't be using that drug either - it's just the same damaging drug in a different presentation . So, I've been madly researching reversing bone loss. I've landed on the fact that my system shows acidic about 50% of the time and the body will pull calcium from the bone to neutralize that acid so it can get it safely out of the body. How do I know? I bought narrow range pH testing strips and tested my urine during the day. First thing in the AM I'm acidic and then two hours after breakfast I'm acidic. Since I drink water with Celtic Sea Salt (Celtic Sea Salt has a pH of 8.52 - very alkaline) starting late morning my system becomes neutral by after lunch and into the evening. Since I eat 2-1/2 eggs with sausage for breakfast that would be the problem ... eating animal proteins without balancing them with alkalinizing foods causes the system to become acidic. Resolving this could be as simple as switching to a breakfast of GF toast with 2 tablespoons of raw almond butter (almonds are alkaline) or even just drinking 8 oz of alkaline water first thing in the morning before breakfast. Anyway, I'll be seeing the bone doctor again in a month to get my lab results (I hate waiting ). In the meantime, for more than four weeks I've been walking between 6000-8000 steps daily (which is a weight-bearing exercise). I will begin supplementing with Lactoferrin (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=lactoferrin&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CIIBEBYwCA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpmc%2Farticles%2FPMC1183439%2F&ei=juuAT_KoOeagiALLg8jGAw&usg=AFQjCNHWOMwlIRTRKIYSyCHSom8fme7U3Q&cad=rja) and will be working on increasing my estradiol levels to the luteal range. I will also be working on getting my system to neutral through diet adjustments. Now the thing is that I won't be able to tell what "the" one thing is that reversed the bone loss, but the goal is to reverse the bone loss. So, for now I'm still holding my Effexor at 40.625 mg (coming up on 10 weeks at this dose) and I've decremented my Xanax down to 0.8125 mg. I plan to start the Lactoferrin supplementation next weekend. I see my pdoc in early May and will be asking for compounded liquid Effexor. Ideally, working on improving my bone density will not cause much of a disruption in weaning off of these drugs. I'm just so flippin' happy that I am able to decrement the Xanax with very little withdrawal symptoms . So, even if I'm not making progress on coming off of Effexor, I do feel like I'm making progress. Sorry for the long post, but wanted to give you an update. All is good with Karma - just a few people at work annoying me, but this too shall pass. I'm not suffering any withdrawal symptoms and I do plan on being a polypharma withdrawal success story. Love and light , Karma 2007 @ 375 mg Effexor - 11/29/2011 - 43.75 mg Effexor (regular) & .625 mg Xanax 200 mg Gabapentin 2/27/21 - 194.5 mg, 5/28/21 - 183 mg, 8/2/21 - 170 mg, 11/28/21 - 150 mg, 4/19/22 - 122 mg; 8//7/22 - 100 mg; 12/17 - 75mg; 8/17 - 45 mg; 10/16 40 mg Xanax taper: 3/11/12 - 0.9375 mg, 3/25/12 - 0.875 mg, 4/6/12 - 0.8125 mg, 4/18/12 - 0.75 ; 10/16 40mg; 1/16 0.6875 mg; at some point 0.625 mg Effexor taper: 1/29/12 - 40.625 mg, 4/29/12 - 39.875 mg, 5/11/12 - Switched to liquid Effexor, 5/25/12 - 38 mg, 7/6/12 - 35 mg, 8/17/12 - 32 mg, 9/14/12 - 30 mg, 10/19/12 - 28 mg, 11/9/12 - 26 mg, 11/30/12 - 24 mg, 01/14/13 - 22 mg. 02/25/13 - 20.8 mg, 03/18/13 - 19.2 mg, 4/15/13 - 17.6 mg, 8/10/13 - 16.4 mg, 9/7/13 - 15.2 mg, 10/19/13 - 14 mg, 1/15/14 - 13.2 mg, 3/1/2014 - 12.6 mg, 5/4/14 - 12 mg, 8/1/14 - 11.4 mg, 8/29/14 - 10.8 mg; 10/14/14 - 10.2 mg; 12/15/14 - 10 mg, 1/11/15 - 9.5 mg, 2/8/15 - 9 mg, 3/21/15 - 8.5 mg, 5/1/15 - 8 mg, 6/9/15 - 7.5 mg, 7/8/15 - 7 mg, 8/22/15 - 6.5 mg, 10/4/15 - 6 mg; 1/1/16 - 5.6 mg; 2/6/16 - 5.2 mg; 4/9 - 4.8 mg; 7/7 4.5 mg; 10/7 4.25 mg; 11/4 4.0 mg; 11/25 3.8 mg; 4/24 3.6 mg; 5/27 3.4 mg; 7/8 3.2 mg ... 10/18 2.8 mg; 1/18 2.6 mg; 4/7 2.4 mg; 5/26 2.15mg; 8/18 1.85 mg; 10/7 1.7 mg; 12/1 1.45 mg; 3/2 1.2 mg; 5/4 0.90 mg; 6/1 0.80 mg; 6/22 0.65 mg; 08/03 0.50 mg, 08/10 0.45 mg, 10/05 0.325 mg, 11/23 0.2 mg, 12/14 0.15 mg, 12/21 0.125 mg, 02/28 0.03125 mg, 2/15 0.015625 mg, 2/29/20 0.00 mg - OFF Effexor I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. 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meistersinger Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 All right - here are my encouraging words ... the Spirit of the Universe provides my supply and always has - abundance comes to me not through the external but through the Great Spirit within. I am not a religious person, but I am a spiritual person and although these withdrawals seem to separate me from my spiritual core - I have to believe that the Universe takes care of me ... it always has. I have lost jobs before and we made it. I believe that I am in my divine right position and the no matter what happens the Universe will take care of us. I can manage this taper off of these drugs so that it does not affect my ability to perform on the job. I have done my job when I was dragging from such bad fatigue and brain fog that I didn't think I could make it through a week. The Universe provides a divine path - I am open to the Divine right guidance on how to proceed. This forum is part of my path forward and I thank you all for your support and hope that my strength can help some of you. Light and love, Karma I'm surprised that I haven't started discontinuance syndrome (to be PC about it), Ive been off Viibryd completely for over a week, per Psych's order. I've been getting more sleep over the last couple of days. Of course, unloading on the psych's nurse probably helped. I take comfort from the refrain of an old Baptist hymn (for those that care:) God will take care of you, through every day, o'er all the way. He will take care of you, God will take care of you. History: 1995--Prozac--Quit CT by GP 1995--Effexor--Quit per my GP 1996--Amitriphene--Quit CT when changed GP 2005--Citalopram and BusPar. Prescribed when I decompensated in my GP's office. GP referred me to behavior health. Psychiatrist prescibed these drugs. Taken off citalopram in 2011 due to FDA warning. Quit Buspar during transition to viibryd. Viibryd--2011 to present. Had a severe reaction in March 2012. Advised both GP and Psychiatrist I was trying to get off these drugs. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted April 8, 2012 Administrator Share Posted April 8, 2012 Karma, I have so much respect for your persistence and knowledge! I hope this doctor will work with you and help you figure it out. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Barbarannamated Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Ditto to Alto's sentiments. You are amazing, Karma! Pristiq tapered over 8 months ending Spring 2011 after 18 years of polydrugging that began w/Zoloft for fatigue/general malaise (not mood). CURRENT: 1mg Klonopin qhs (SSRI bruxism), 75mg trazodone qhs, various hormonesLitigation for 11 years for Work-related injury, settled 2004. Involuntary medical retirement in 2001 (age 39). 2012 - brain MRI showing diffuse, chronic cerebrovascular damage/demyelination possibly vasculitis/cerebritis. Dx w/autoimmune polyendocrine failure.<p>2013 - Dx w/CNS Sjogren's Lupus (FANA antibodies first appeared in 1997 but missed by doc). Link to comment
Administrator Karma Posted April 10, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted April 10, 2012 Ditto to Alto's sentiments. You are amazing, Karma! ahh, you guys I'm blushing. But thank you, I really appreciate your kind words . You know, when this diagnosis first came up I was mad because I knew it was another dang thing I had to research ... because I don't trust western medicine ... I just don't. So now I've turned it around and realize that it is divine intervention. I've long toyed with the idea of becoming a nutritionist for my second career and this is just the Great Spirit reminding me that I have a purpose associated with understanding the affects of diet on the body ... so my next lesson is about which foods become alkaline in the system and which become acidic and how that affects the body ... and then I'll internalize it and heal my bones ... and then I'll pass it on. At some point I'll actually have to take some classes and earn a certification, but just like what I do for a living now I'll learn about it in real life and then will apply the academics to it. Love and light Karma 2007 @ 375 mg Effexor - 11/29/2011 - 43.75 mg Effexor (regular) & .625 mg Xanax 200 mg Gabapentin 2/27/21 - 194.5 mg, 5/28/21 - 183 mg, 8/2/21 - 170 mg, 11/28/21 - 150 mg, 4/19/22 - 122 mg; 8//7/22 - 100 mg; 12/17 - 75mg; 8/17 - 45 mg; 10/16 40 mg Xanax taper: 3/11/12 - 0.9375 mg, 3/25/12 - 0.875 mg, 4/6/12 - 0.8125 mg, 4/18/12 - 0.75 ; 10/16 40mg; 1/16 0.6875 mg; at some point 0.625 mg Effexor taper: 1/29/12 - 40.625 mg, 4/29/12 - 39.875 mg, 5/11/12 - Switched to liquid Effexor, 5/25/12 - 38 mg, 7/6/12 - 35 mg, 8/17/12 - 32 mg, 9/14/12 - 30 mg, 10/19/12 - 28 mg, 11/9/12 - 26 mg, 11/30/12 - 24 mg, 01/14/13 - 22 mg. 02/25/13 - 20.8 mg, 03/18/13 - 19.2 mg, 4/15/13 - 17.6 mg, 8/10/13 - 16.4 mg, 9/7/13 - 15.2 mg, 10/19/13 - 14 mg, 1/15/14 - 13.2 mg, 3/1/2014 - 12.6 mg, 5/4/14 - 12 mg, 8/1/14 - 11.4 mg, 8/29/14 - 10.8 mg; 10/14/14 - 10.2 mg; 12/15/14 - 10 mg, 1/11/15 - 9.5 mg, 2/8/15 - 9 mg, 3/21/15 - 8.5 mg, 5/1/15 - 8 mg, 6/9/15 - 7.5 mg, 7/8/15 - 7 mg, 8/22/15 - 6.5 mg, 10/4/15 - 6 mg; 1/1/16 - 5.6 mg; 2/6/16 - 5.2 mg; 4/9 - 4.8 mg; 7/7 4.5 mg; 10/7 4.25 mg; 11/4 4.0 mg; 11/25 3.8 mg; 4/24 3.6 mg; 5/27 3.4 mg; 7/8 3.2 mg ... 10/18 2.8 mg; 1/18 2.6 mg; 4/7 2.4 mg; 5/26 2.15mg; 8/18 1.85 mg; 10/7 1.7 mg; 12/1 1.45 mg; 3/2 1.2 mg; 5/4 0.90 mg; 6/1 0.80 mg; 6/22 0.65 mg; 08/03 0.50 mg, 08/10 0.45 mg, 10/05 0.325 mg, 11/23 0.2 mg, 12/14 0.15 mg, 12/21 0.125 mg, 02/28 0.03125 mg, 2/15 0.015625 mg, 2/29/20 0.00 mg - OFF Effexor I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. My suggestions are based on personal experience, reading, observation and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Skyler Posted April 10, 2012 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted April 10, 2012 So I saw the bone doctor and unfortunately there was no smoking gun in the lab results . Calcium and PTH (parathyroid hormone) were both in normal range balancing each other. But the CTX test did show that I am turning over a lot of bone. Happily the Bone doctor didn't suggest that I use bisphosphonates . So, for now I'm still holding my Effexor at 40.625 mg (coming up on 10 weeks at this dose) and I've decremented my Xanax down to 0.8125 mg. I plan to start the Lactoferrin supplementation next weekend. I see my pdoc in early May and will be asking for compounded liquid Effexor. Ideally, working on improving my bone density will not cause much of a disruption in weaning off of these drugs. I'm just so flippin' happy that I am able to decrement the Xanax with very little withdrawal symptoms . So, even if I'm not making progress on coming off of Effexor, I do feel like I'm making progress. Love and light Karma You have the power, the willingness to learn and stand for what is right for you. Big congratulations.. a good job in progress. Schuyler As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule. Requip - 3/16 ZERO Total time on 25 years. Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10) Total time on 25 years. Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section. "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Skyler Posted April 10, 2012 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted April 10, 2012 Nobody's done a comparative study, Schuyler. My opinion is to go off the most activating drug first, the sedating drug may cushion withdrawal symptoms. Whereas, if you go off the benzo first and your GABA system is impaired, however slightly, by benzo withdrawal, it will make antidepressant withdrawal even more difficult. People with the combination of benzo withdrawal and antidepressant withdrawal are up the creek without a paddle -- calming effects of serotonin and GABA both out of commission. Hi Alto, I've been thinking about this ever since I read it.. and I'm in agreement. Yup.. and the presence of benzos can also make tapering from other meds smoother. For sure.. don't want to compromise GABA and serotonin at the same time. Or GABA GABA which happens with anticonvulsants and benzos.. I may have taken the advice from the benzo forums out of context. They saw a lot of people who were in tolerance with high doses, who had to start tapering.. I dunno, but I like what you have to say here.. it is a more complete picture. Schuyler As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule. Requip - 3/16 ZERO Total time on 25 years. Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10) Total time on 25 years. Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section. "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin Link to comment
Administrator Karma Posted April 21, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted April 21, 2012 Update from Karma I am now down to 0.75 mg Xanax - with virtually no withdrawal symptoms at all. It feels "successful!" I plan to hold on the Xanax at 0.75 mg for awhile. I could continue,but Effexor is the more activating drug and I probably need to get off of it next. I could try to get down to 0.50 mg Xanax, but that would require 8 more weeks of weaning Xanax ... On the Osteoporosis front I've added Lactoferrin at 250 mg and will bump that to 250 mg twice a day beginning tomorrow (the recommended dose is 250 mg twice daily). I'm adjusting my diet to eat more alkaline-forming foods, which interestingly enough also contain more natural calcium. You want the system balanced so eating more alkaline-forming foods will help my body be less acidic and will stop my body from stealing calcium from my bones to shuttle the acidic waste out of the system. I also added Essentia water which has a pH of 9.5 so it helps drive my system more alkaline. I boosted my walking up to 6000-8000 steps per day about six weeks ago and in about a week I'm adding a weighted vest to help stimulate my osteoblasts to build more bone - a university study showed bone loss reversal with just 4 additional pounds of weight over a year. So, in about six weeks if my doctor won't order it, I will order a CTX to see if I'm still turning over bone at an excessive rate. The goal is to have stopped excessive bone turn over - I'm going to solve this problem naturally! I may need to adjust my estrogen to help with reversing the bone loss, so that will be next. If I don't need to adjust the estrogen then after about 4 weeks at this dose of Xanax I'll return to my Effexor taper. However, by then I plan to have compounded liquid Effexor and will start at a 5% decrement to see how it goes. Ok, so that is the plan ... I'd like to be off of Effexor by the end of the year, but I think that is a little too optimistic. We'll see how it goes. Love and light Karma 2007 @ 375 mg Effexor - 11/29/2011 - 43.75 mg Effexor (regular) & .625 mg Xanax 200 mg Gabapentin 2/27/21 - 194.5 mg, 5/28/21 - 183 mg, 8/2/21 - 170 mg, 11/28/21 - 150 mg, 4/19/22 - 122 mg; 8//7/22 - 100 mg; 12/17 - 75mg; 8/17 - 45 mg; 10/16 40 mg Xanax taper: 3/11/12 - 0.9375 mg, 3/25/12 - 0.875 mg, 4/6/12 - 0.8125 mg, 4/18/12 - 0.75 ; 10/16 40mg; 1/16 0.6875 mg; at some point 0.625 mg Effexor taper: 1/29/12 - 40.625 mg, 4/29/12 - 39.875 mg, 5/11/12 - Switched to liquid Effexor, 5/25/12 - 38 mg, 7/6/12 - 35 mg, 8/17/12 - 32 mg, 9/14/12 - 30 mg, 10/19/12 - 28 mg, 11/9/12 - 26 mg, 11/30/12 - 24 mg, 01/14/13 - 22 mg. 02/25/13 - 20.8 mg, 03/18/13 - 19.2 mg, 4/15/13 - 17.6 mg, 8/10/13 - 16.4 mg, 9/7/13 - 15.2 mg, 10/19/13 - 14 mg, 1/15/14 - 13.2 mg, 3/1/2014 - 12.6 mg, 5/4/14 - 12 mg, 8/1/14 - 11.4 mg, 8/29/14 - 10.8 mg; 10/14/14 - 10.2 mg; 12/15/14 - 10 mg, 1/11/15 - 9.5 mg, 2/8/15 - 9 mg, 3/21/15 - 8.5 mg, 5/1/15 - 8 mg, 6/9/15 - 7.5 mg, 7/8/15 - 7 mg, 8/22/15 - 6.5 mg, 10/4/15 - 6 mg; 1/1/16 - 5.6 mg; 2/6/16 - 5.2 mg; 4/9 - 4.8 mg; 7/7 4.5 mg; 10/7 4.25 mg; 11/4 4.0 mg; 11/25 3.8 mg; 4/24 3.6 mg; 5/27 3.4 mg; 7/8 3.2 mg ... 10/18 2.8 mg; 1/18 2.6 mg; 4/7 2.4 mg; 5/26 2.15mg; 8/18 1.85 mg; 10/7 1.7 mg; 12/1 1.45 mg; 3/2 1.2 mg; 5/4 0.90 mg; 6/1 0.80 mg; 6/22 0.65 mg; 08/03 0.50 mg, 08/10 0.45 mg, 10/05 0.325 mg, 11/23 0.2 mg, 12/14 0.15 mg, 12/21 0.125 mg, 02/28 0.03125 mg, 2/15 0.015625 mg, 2/29/20 0.00 mg - OFF Effexor I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. My suggestions are based on personal experience, reading, observation and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers Link to comment
Barbarannamated Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 You are amazing, Karma! Pristiq tapered over 8 months ending Spring 2011 after 18 years of polydrugging that began w/Zoloft for fatigue/general malaise (not mood). CURRENT: 1mg Klonopin qhs (SSRI bruxism), 75mg trazodone qhs, various hormonesLitigation for 11 years for Work-related injury, settled 2004. Involuntary medical retirement in 2001 (age 39). 2012 - brain MRI showing diffuse, chronic cerebrovascular damage/demyelination possibly vasculitis/cerebritis. Dx w/autoimmune polyendocrine failure.<p>2013 - Dx w/CNS Sjogren's Lupus (FANA antibodies first appeared in 1997 but missed by doc). Link to comment
Administrator Karma Posted May 1, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted May 1, 2012 A funny thing happened this weekend - I was cutting up bits of Effexor to make my dosage and decided that rather than 0.875 mg for the morning I would just go to 0.85 mg ... the 0.025 is really negligible and my scale doesn't measure to the one-thousandth digit. Then I started thinking about it and decided that I should make my next cut just a total of 5% of my current dosage - so I whipped out the old algebra skills and figured out that I would need to go to .80 mg for my morning dose. Great! I'll do that the next time I'm ready to cut. But then I decided to use algebra to figure out how much I "just" cut by going to .85 mg from 0.875 mg ... I cut 0.75 mg of Effexor. I was a little dizzy Sunday morning after I took the new dose, but I don't know if it was related and it did pass. Last night my sleep was a little disrupted, but nothing terribly bad. Again, I don't know if it is related. We'd gone hiking in the mountains yesterday and that is a lot more activity than I normally do, so that could have been part of it. My plan was to work on increasing my estrogen a bit right now and then continue my Effexor taper. But I evidently tapered Effexor this weekend . Do I need to hold the 0.75 mg cut of Effexor for four weeks before I go down the full 2 mg of Effexor that represents a 5% cut? I was thinking I could give this 2 weeks and if I don't really have any symptoms go ahead and go down the full 2 mg (or at that point 1.25 mg Effexor) ... any thoughts? Thanks Karma 2007 @ 375 mg Effexor - 11/29/2011 - 43.75 mg Effexor (regular) & .625 mg Xanax 200 mg Gabapentin 2/27/21 - 194.5 mg, 5/28/21 - 183 mg, 8/2/21 - 170 mg, 11/28/21 - 150 mg, 4/19/22 - 122 mg; 8//7/22 - 100 mg; 12/17 - 75mg; 8/17 - 45 mg; 10/16 40 mg Xanax taper: 3/11/12 - 0.9375 mg, 3/25/12 - 0.875 mg, 4/6/12 - 0.8125 mg, 4/18/12 - 0.75 ; 10/16 40mg; 1/16 0.6875 mg; at some point 0.625 mg Effexor taper: 1/29/12 - 40.625 mg, 4/29/12 - 39.875 mg, 5/11/12 - Switched to liquid Effexor, 5/25/12 - 38 mg, 7/6/12 - 35 mg, 8/17/12 - 32 mg, 9/14/12 - 30 mg, 10/19/12 - 28 mg, 11/9/12 - 26 mg, 11/30/12 - 24 mg, 01/14/13 - 22 mg. 02/25/13 - 20.8 mg, 03/18/13 - 19.2 mg, 4/15/13 - 17.6 mg, 8/10/13 - 16.4 mg, 9/7/13 - 15.2 mg, 10/19/13 - 14 mg, 1/15/14 - 13.2 mg, 3/1/2014 - 12.6 mg, 5/4/14 - 12 mg, 8/1/14 - 11.4 mg, 8/29/14 - 10.8 mg; 10/14/14 - 10.2 mg; 12/15/14 - 10 mg, 1/11/15 - 9.5 mg, 2/8/15 - 9 mg, 3/21/15 - 8.5 mg, 5/1/15 - 8 mg, 6/9/15 - 7.5 mg, 7/8/15 - 7 mg, 8/22/15 - 6.5 mg, 10/4/15 - 6 mg; 1/1/16 - 5.6 mg; 2/6/16 - 5.2 mg; 4/9 - 4.8 mg; 7/7 4.5 mg; 10/7 4.25 mg; 11/4 4.0 mg; 11/25 3.8 mg; 4/24 3.6 mg; 5/27 3.4 mg; 7/8 3.2 mg ... 10/18 2.8 mg; 1/18 2.6 mg; 4/7 2.4 mg; 5/26 2.15mg; 8/18 1.85 mg; 10/7 1.7 mg; 12/1 1.45 mg; 3/2 1.2 mg; 5/4 0.90 mg; 6/1 0.80 mg; 6/22 0.65 mg; 08/03 0.50 mg, 08/10 0.45 mg, 10/05 0.325 mg, 11/23 0.2 mg, 12/14 0.15 mg, 12/21 0.125 mg, 02/28 0.03125 mg, 2/15 0.015625 mg, 2/29/20 0.00 mg - OFF Effexor I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. My suggestions are based on personal experience, reading, observation and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 1, 2012 Administrator Share Posted May 1, 2012 Sounds like you're experimenting with what Rhi's styled the micro-taper. Tiny cuts more often might work fine for you. Keep notes!! This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Rhiannon Posted May 2, 2012 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 2, 2012 With a multi-drug taper if I was trying to choose between two options I would always choose the more conservative, at least until you have a lot of experience. The multiple withdrawal effects can be cumulative and can also have a lag time. Benzo withdrawal can go well then suddenly catch up with a person. AD withdrawal notoriously can settle down then suddenly hit with new symptoms. If you're doing this with multiple drugs, IMO it's best to be cautious, at least until, as I say, you've been doing it for a year or so and you've got a lot of experience. That said, you're not me! :-) You're younger, you have a different lifestyle, and you have a different body. Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010. Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea. Feb 15 2010: 300 mg Neurontin 200 Lamictal 10 Celexa 0.65 Xanax and 5 mg Ambien Feb 10 2014: 62 Lamictal 1.1 Celexa 0.135 Xanax 1.8 Valium Feb 10 2015: 50 Lamictal 0.875 Celexa 0.11 Xanax 1.5 Valium Feb 15 2016: 47.5 Lamictal 0.75 Celexa 0.0875 Xanax 1.42 Valium 2/12/20 12 0.045 0.007 1 May 2021 7 0.01 0.0037 1 Feb 2022 6 0!!! 0.00167 0.98 2.5 mg Ambien Oct 2022 4.5 mg Lamictal (off Celexa, off Xanax) 0.95 Valium Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion. Link to comment
Administrator Karma Posted May 3, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted May 3, 2012 With a multi-drug taper if I was trying to choose between two options I would always choose the more conservative, at least until you have a lot of experience. The multiple withdrawal effects can be cumulative and can also have a lag time. Benzo withdrawal can go well then suddenly catch up with a person. AD withdrawal notoriously can settle down then suddenly hit with new symptoms. If you're doing this with multiple drugs, IMO it's best to be cautious, at least until, as I say, you've been doing it for a year or so and you've got a lot of experience. That said, you're not me! :-) You're younger, you have a different lifestyle, and you have a different body. Hey Rhi So glad you stopped by my thread ... I have actually stopped my benzo taper. I only had symptoms the first day or so of the very first decrement and then I basically didn't notice anything. I could have kept on going, but didn't know if it was advisable. The previous guidance was to taper Effexor first so I have returned to my Effexor taper ... albeit without fully thinking it through and at a micro taper. So, how long do you think I should hold this .75 mg decrement of Effexor? Or, do you think I should finish the Xanax taper out and then return to the Effexor taper. I greatly appreciate your guidance, Rhi. Karma 2007 @ 375 mg Effexor - 11/29/2011 - 43.75 mg Effexor (regular) & .625 mg Xanax 200 mg Gabapentin 2/27/21 - 194.5 mg, 5/28/21 - 183 mg, 8/2/21 - 170 mg, 11/28/21 - 150 mg, 4/19/22 - 122 mg; 8//7/22 - 100 mg; 12/17 - 75mg; 8/17 - 45 mg; 10/16 40 mg Xanax taper: 3/11/12 - 0.9375 mg, 3/25/12 - 0.875 mg, 4/6/12 - 0.8125 mg, 4/18/12 - 0.75 ; 10/16 40mg; 1/16 0.6875 mg; at some point 0.625 mg Effexor taper: 1/29/12 - 40.625 mg, 4/29/12 - 39.875 mg, 5/11/12 - Switched to liquid Effexor, 5/25/12 - 38 mg, 7/6/12 - 35 mg, 8/17/12 - 32 mg, 9/14/12 - 30 mg, 10/19/12 - 28 mg, 11/9/12 - 26 mg, 11/30/12 - 24 mg, 01/14/13 - 22 mg. 02/25/13 - 20.8 mg, 03/18/13 - 19.2 mg, 4/15/13 - 17.6 mg, 8/10/13 - 16.4 mg, 9/7/13 - 15.2 mg, 10/19/13 - 14 mg, 1/15/14 - 13.2 mg, 3/1/2014 - 12.6 mg, 5/4/14 - 12 mg, 8/1/14 - 11.4 mg, 8/29/14 - 10.8 mg; 10/14/14 - 10.2 mg; 12/15/14 - 10 mg, 1/11/15 - 9.5 mg, 2/8/15 - 9 mg, 3/21/15 - 8.5 mg, 5/1/15 - 8 mg, 6/9/15 - 7.5 mg, 7/8/15 - 7 mg, 8/22/15 - 6.5 mg, 10/4/15 - 6 mg; 1/1/16 - 5.6 mg; 2/6/16 - 5.2 mg; 4/9 - 4.8 mg; 7/7 4.5 mg; 10/7 4.25 mg; 11/4 4.0 mg; 11/25 3.8 mg; 4/24 3.6 mg; 5/27 3.4 mg; 7/8 3.2 mg ... 10/18 2.8 mg; 1/18 2.6 mg; 4/7 2.4 mg; 5/26 2.15mg; 8/18 1.85 mg; 10/7 1.7 mg; 12/1 1.45 mg; 3/2 1.2 mg; 5/4 0.90 mg; 6/1 0.80 mg; 6/22 0.65 mg; 08/03 0.50 mg, 08/10 0.45 mg, 10/05 0.325 mg, 11/23 0.2 mg, 12/14 0.15 mg, 12/21 0.125 mg, 02/28 0.03125 mg, 2/15 0.015625 mg, 2/29/20 0.00 mg - OFF Effexor I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. My suggestions are based on personal experience, reading, observation and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers Link to comment
alexjuice Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Hey Karma, Just want to thank you for all of your support and encouragement, to me and many other posters here. I greatly appreciate your efforts and want you to know how much it means to me, especially considering all the things you are also dealing with and have been dealing with for a while. You're just wonderful. Thanks for being so great. Alex "Well my ship's been split to splinters and it's sinking fast I'm drowning in the poison, got no future, got no past But my heart is not weary, it's light and it's free I've got nothing but affection for all those who sailed with me. Everybody's moving, if they ain't already there Everybody's got to move somewhere Stick with me baby, stick with me anyhow Things should start to get interesting right about now." - Zimmerman Link to comment
Administrator Karma Posted May 11, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted May 11, 2012 Hey Karma, Just want to thank you for all of your support and encouragement, to me and many other posters here. I greatly appreciate your efforts and want you to know how much it means to me, especially considering all the things you are also dealing with and have been dealing with for a while. You're just wonderful. Thanks for being so great. Alex Thanks, Alex! Like you said once before, helping others on this forum is good for me, too. Saw my pdoc yesterday ... she agrees with our plan (notice how you are all in this with me now ) to reduce Effexor first because it is the most activating drug. She was also very happy for me that I was able to reduce my Xanax dose by .25 mg without any real withdrawal symptoms ... but she does think I may need Xanax during my Effexor wean and that it would not be good to go off of it and have to reintroduce it. I am due for a refill on my Effexor and I asked if she could prescribe compounded liquid. She actually called my compounding pharmacy while I was in her office and they said they could compound my Effexor (it is regular, not extended release). Today I learned the my insurance will cover it, but the co-pay is higher, but not too bad. Tomorrow I pick up the liquid Effexor. Yay! Now, here is the problem ... I've been feeling somewhat dizzy ... very light-headed ... for four days. I made an accidental reduction of just .75 mg Effexor 12 days ago - that couldn't cause this could it? I also started taking Spirulina supplements over the weekend and stopped them 2 days ago because I thought that might be why I'm dizzy, but I would think if that was causing it, it would have stopped since stopping the supplements. I know I have to wait until the dizziness passes before I reduce Effexor any more. I think when I switch to the liquid I should keep the dosage as close to the same as what I'm taking now in cut up tablets. I'm taking in 21.125 mg in AM and 18.75 mg in the PM. The liquid is at 2mg/1mL (if I remember correctly), so I should be able to get pretty close. Any advice or recommendations with the liquid? Love and light, Karma 2007 @ 375 mg Effexor - 11/29/2011 - 43.75 mg Effexor (regular) & .625 mg Xanax 200 mg Gabapentin 2/27/21 - 194.5 mg, 5/28/21 - 183 mg, 8/2/21 - 170 mg, 11/28/21 - 150 mg, 4/19/22 - 122 mg; 8//7/22 - 100 mg; 12/17 - 75mg; 8/17 - 45 mg; 10/16 40 mg Xanax taper: 3/11/12 - 0.9375 mg, 3/25/12 - 0.875 mg, 4/6/12 - 0.8125 mg, 4/18/12 - 0.75 ; 10/16 40mg; 1/16 0.6875 mg; at some point 0.625 mg Effexor taper: 1/29/12 - 40.625 mg, 4/29/12 - 39.875 mg, 5/11/12 - Switched to liquid Effexor, 5/25/12 - 38 mg, 7/6/12 - 35 mg, 8/17/12 - 32 mg, 9/14/12 - 30 mg, 10/19/12 - 28 mg, 11/9/12 - 26 mg, 11/30/12 - 24 mg, 01/14/13 - 22 mg. 02/25/13 - 20.8 mg, 03/18/13 - 19.2 mg, 4/15/13 - 17.6 mg, 8/10/13 - 16.4 mg, 9/7/13 - 15.2 mg, 10/19/13 - 14 mg, 1/15/14 - 13.2 mg, 3/1/2014 - 12.6 mg, 5/4/14 - 12 mg, 8/1/14 - 11.4 mg, 8/29/14 - 10.8 mg; 10/14/14 - 10.2 mg; 12/15/14 - 10 mg, 1/11/15 - 9.5 mg, 2/8/15 - 9 mg, 3/21/15 - 8.5 mg, 5/1/15 - 8 mg, 6/9/15 - 7.5 mg, 7/8/15 - 7 mg, 8/22/15 - 6.5 mg, 10/4/15 - 6 mg; 1/1/16 - 5.6 mg; 2/6/16 - 5.2 mg; 4/9 - 4.8 mg; 7/7 4.5 mg; 10/7 4.25 mg; 11/4 4.0 mg; 11/25 3.8 mg; 4/24 3.6 mg; 5/27 3.4 mg; 7/8 3.2 mg ... 10/18 2.8 mg; 1/18 2.6 mg; 4/7 2.4 mg; 5/26 2.15mg; 8/18 1.85 mg; 10/7 1.7 mg; 12/1 1.45 mg; 3/2 1.2 mg; 5/4 0.90 mg; 6/1 0.80 mg; 6/22 0.65 mg; 08/03 0.50 mg, 08/10 0.45 mg, 10/05 0.325 mg, 11/23 0.2 mg, 12/14 0.15 mg, 12/21 0.125 mg, 02/28 0.03125 mg, 2/15 0.015625 mg, 2/29/20 0.00 mg - OFF Effexor I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. My suggestions are based on personal experience, reading, observation and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers Link to comment
xDebbiejo Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 Wish you all the best with your liquid Karma ! The only thing with the liquid I found was it didnt last long. I had only 150ml bottle of my paroxetine liquid. Hope your feeling better soon Debbie xxxxxx 17 years on seroxat/paxil CT off - thought I was dying luckily found this site. 21st May 2012 12mg seroxat Stable - Tapered Diazepam slowish.1st June 10mg Seroxat 2nd June 1mg Diazepam.15th June 9mg seroxat 2nd July Changed to 2.5[ml liquid diazepam]2mg=5ml. 16th July 2ml Liquid Diazepam 2nd August 8mg/4ml Seroxat/Paxil 2nd August 1.5 ml Diazepam 18th Aug 2012 1ml Diazepam 1st - 5th Sept 0.5 Diazepam Free! 13th Oct 7mg/3.5ml seroxat - 26 Jan 2013 3.25ml/6.5mg-Mar 3ml-April 2.7ml-May 2.5ml 01/07/14 very slow taper over the last year now on 0.5 ml of liquid Seroxat ......November 14 Seroat Free!!!!!!! Link to comment
Barbarannamated Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 Hey Karma, First, I second all that Alex said! You are always so helpful with everyone, it's hard to remember that you're going through your own process. Just FYI, when I ran out of Effexor XR (long ago), my doc told me to fill in with immediate release tabs. I went into withdrawal immediately (zaps, dizziness). I don't understand the pharmacologic differences or how release system factored in and I hope you have no problems! I just thought I'd mention it. Pristiq tapered over 8 months ending Spring 2011 after 18 years of polydrugging that began w/Zoloft for fatigue/general malaise (not mood). CURRENT: 1mg Klonopin qhs (SSRI bruxism), 75mg trazodone qhs, various hormonesLitigation for 11 years for Work-related injury, settled 2004. Involuntary medical retirement in 2001 (age 39). 2012 - brain MRI showing diffuse, chronic cerebrovascular damage/demyelination possibly vasculitis/cerebritis. Dx w/autoimmune polyendocrine failure.<p>2013 - Dx w/CNS Sjogren's Lupus (FANA antibodies first appeared in 1997 but missed by doc). Link to comment
Administrator Karma Posted May 11, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted May 11, 2012 I got the liquid Effexor ... I'm so excited. For some reason this makes it feel like I'm really going to get off of this med. The directions say to take 10ml AM and PM ... so 20 mg AM and 20 mg PM ... I'm taking 21.125 mg AM of the tablet and 18.75 mg of the tablet PM ... so a total of 39.875 mg in tablet form ... should I try and match up the liquid to what I'm taking in the tablet or just go with the 20 mg AM/20 mg PM to start the liquid? Thanks Karma 2007 @ 375 mg Effexor - 11/29/2011 - 43.75 mg Effexor (regular) & .625 mg Xanax 200 mg Gabapentin 2/27/21 - 194.5 mg, 5/28/21 - 183 mg, 8/2/21 - 170 mg, 11/28/21 - 150 mg, 4/19/22 - 122 mg; 8//7/22 - 100 mg; 12/17 - 75mg; 8/17 - 45 mg; 10/16 40 mg Xanax taper: 3/11/12 - 0.9375 mg, 3/25/12 - 0.875 mg, 4/6/12 - 0.8125 mg, 4/18/12 - 0.75 ; 10/16 40mg; 1/16 0.6875 mg; at some point 0.625 mg Effexor taper: 1/29/12 - 40.625 mg, 4/29/12 - 39.875 mg, 5/11/12 - Switched to liquid Effexor, 5/25/12 - 38 mg, 7/6/12 - 35 mg, 8/17/12 - 32 mg, 9/14/12 - 30 mg, 10/19/12 - 28 mg, 11/9/12 - 26 mg, 11/30/12 - 24 mg, 01/14/13 - 22 mg. 02/25/13 - 20.8 mg, 03/18/13 - 19.2 mg, 4/15/13 - 17.6 mg, 8/10/13 - 16.4 mg, 9/7/13 - 15.2 mg, 10/19/13 - 14 mg, 1/15/14 - 13.2 mg, 3/1/2014 - 12.6 mg, 5/4/14 - 12 mg, 8/1/14 - 11.4 mg, 8/29/14 - 10.8 mg; 10/14/14 - 10.2 mg; 12/15/14 - 10 mg, 1/11/15 - 9.5 mg, 2/8/15 - 9 mg, 3/21/15 - 8.5 mg, 5/1/15 - 8 mg, 6/9/15 - 7.5 mg, 7/8/15 - 7 mg, 8/22/15 - 6.5 mg, 10/4/15 - 6 mg; 1/1/16 - 5.6 mg; 2/6/16 - 5.2 mg; 4/9 - 4.8 mg; 7/7 4.5 mg; 10/7 4.25 mg; 11/4 4.0 mg; 11/25 3.8 mg; 4/24 3.6 mg; 5/27 3.4 mg; 7/8 3.2 mg ... 10/18 2.8 mg; 1/18 2.6 mg; 4/7 2.4 mg; 5/26 2.15mg; 8/18 1.85 mg; 10/7 1.7 mg; 12/1 1.45 mg; 3/2 1.2 mg; 5/4 0.90 mg; 6/1 0.80 mg; 6/22 0.65 mg; 08/03 0.50 mg, 08/10 0.45 mg, 10/05 0.325 mg, 11/23 0.2 mg, 12/14 0.15 mg, 12/21 0.125 mg, 02/28 0.03125 mg, 2/15 0.015625 mg, 2/29/20 0.00 mg - OFF Effexor I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. My suggestions are based on personal experience, reading, observation and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 12, 2012 Administrator Share Posted May 12, 2012 Congratulations! I would take the equivalent amount of liquid to my target doses. It says 20mg + 20mg because that's the way your doctor wrote the prescription. The liquid might get into your system faster -- no need to compensate by taking more! This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Administrator Karma Posted May 18, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted May 18, 2012 Alto, I need your guidance ... 7 days ago I switched to the liquid form of Effexor as close to the same dose as I was taking with the tablets. I'm 3 weeks from the accidental reduction of 0.75 mg. I've had a little bit of "no joy", some minor depressive symptoms, and extended slight dizziness or lightheadedness but generally I've been about an 8 on a scale of 1 to 10 where 10 is flippin' fantastic. (I don't know for sure that the light headedness was associated with the Effexor drop). The next reduction will be 2 mg total. I plan to take my AM dose from 21.125 down to 20 mg and my evening dose down from 18.75 mg to 18 mg. This will be easier to measure with the compounded liquid. My current dosage is 39.875 mg, so 2 mg will only be about a 5% drop. Should I give myself another week or do you think it would be ok to make that reduction this weekend? Thanks Karma 2007 @ 375 mg Effexor - 11/29/2011 - 43.75 mg Effexor (regular) & .625 mg Xanax 200 mg Gabapentin 2/27/21 - 194.5 mg, 5/28/21 - 183 mg, 8/2/21 - 170 mg, 11/28/21 - 150 mg, 4/19/22 - 122 mg; 8//7/22 - 100 mg; 12/17 - 75mg; 8/17 - 45 mg; 10/16 40 mg Xanax taper: 3/11/12 - 0.9375 mg, 3/25/12 - 0.875 mg, 4/6/12 - 0.8125 mg, 4/18/12 - 0.75 ; 10/16 40mg; 1/16 0.6875 mg; at some point 0.625 mg Effexor taper: 1/29/12 - 40.625 mg, 4/29/12 - 39.875 mg, 5/11/12 - Switched to liquid Effexor, 5/25/12 - 38 mg, 7/6/12 - 35 mg, 8/17/12 - 32 mg, 9/14/12 - 30 mg, 10/19/12 - 28 mg, 11/9/12 - 26 mg, 11/30/12 - 24 mg, 01/14/13 - 22 mg. 02/25/13 - 20.8 mg, 03/18/13 - 19.2 mg, 4/15/13 - 17.6 mg, 8/10/13 - 16.4 mg, 9/7/13 - 15.2 mg, 10/19/13 - 14 mg, 1/15/14 - 13.2 mg, 3/1/2014 - 12.6 mg, 5/4/14 - 12 mg, 8/1/14 - 11.4 mg, 8/29/14 - 10.8 mg; 10/14/14 - 10.2 mg; 12/15/14 - 10 mg, 1/11/15 - 9.5 mg, 2/8/15 - 9 mg, 3/21/15 - 8.5 mg, 5/1/15 - 8 mg, 6/9/15 - 7.5 mg, 7/8/15 - 7 mg, 8/22/15 - 6.5 mg, 10/4/15 - 6 mg; 1/1/16 - 5.6 mg; 2/6/16 - 5.2 mg; 4/9 - 4.8 mg; 7/7 4.5 mg; 10/7 4.25 mg; 11/4 4.0 mg; 11/25 3.8 mg; 4/24 3.6 mg; 5/27 3.4 mg; 7/8 3.2 mg ... 10/18 2.8 mg; 1/18 2.6 mg; 4/7 2.4 mg; 5/26 2.15mg; 8/18 1.85 mg; 10/7 1.7 mg; 12/1 1.45 mg; 3/2 1.2 mg; 5/4 0.90 mg; 6/1 0.80 mg; 6/22 0.65 mg; 08/03 0.50 mg, 08/10 0.45 mg, 10/05 0.325 mg, 11/23 0.2 mg, 12/14 0.15 mg, 12/21 0.125 mg, 02/28 0.03125 mg, 2/15 0.015625 mg, 2/29/20 0.00 mg - OFF Effexor I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. My suggestions are based on personal experience, reading, observation and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 18, 2012 Administrator Share Posted May 18, 2012 You might give it another week to let your system get used to the liquid. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Administrator Karma Posted May 19, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted May 19, 2012 I was afraid you were going to say that . But that is what I needed to hear. I'll wait it out another week. Thanks for being there for me Karma 2007 @ 375 mg Effexor - 11/29/2011 - 43.75 mg Effexor (regular) & .625 mg Xanax 200 mg Gabapentin 2/27/21 - 194.5 mg, 5/28/21 - 183 mg, 8/2/21 - 170 mg, 11/28/21 - 150 mg, 4/19/22 - 122 mg; 8//7/22 - 100 mg; 12/17 - 75mg; 8/17 - 45 mg; 10/16 40 mg Xanax taper: 3/11/12 - 0.9375 mg, 3/25/12 - 0.875 mg, 4/6/12 - 0.8125 mg, 4/18/12 - 0.75 ; 10/16 40mg; 1/16 0.6875 mg; at some point 0.625 mg Effexor taper: 1/29/12 - 40.625 mg, 4/29/12 - 39.875 mg, 5/11/12 - Switched to liquid Effexor, 5/25/12 - 38 mg, 7/6/12 - 35 mg, 8/17/12 - 32 mg, 9/14/12 - 30 mg, 10/19/12 - 28 mg, 11/9/12 - 26 mg, 11/30/12 - 24 mg, 01/14/13 - 22 mg. 02/25/13 - 20.8 mg, 03/18/13 - 19.2 mg, 4/15/13 - 17.6 mg, 8/10/13 - 16.4 mg, 9/7/13 - 15.2 mg, 10/19/13 - 14 mg, 1/15/14 - 13.2 mg, 3/1/2014 - 12.6 mg, 5/4/14 - 12 mg, 8/1/14 - 11.4 mg, 8/29/14 - 10.8 mg; 10/14/14 - 10.2 mg; 12/15/14 - 10 mg, 1/11/15 - 9.5 mg, 2/8/15 - 9 mg, 3/21/15 - 8.5 mg, 5/1/15 - 8 mg, 6/9/15 - 7.5 mg, 7/8/15 - 7 mg, 8/22/15 - 6.5 mg, 10/4/15 - 6 mg; 1/1/16 - 5.6 mg; 2/6/16 - 5.2 mg; 4/9 - 4.8 mg; 7/7 4.5 mg; 10/7 4.25 mg; 11/4 4.0 mg; 11/25 3.8 mg; 4/24 3.6 mg; 5/27 3.4 mg; 7/8 3.2 mg ... 10/18 2.8 mg; 1/18 2.6 mg; 4/7 2.4 mg; 5/26 2.15mg; 8/18 1.85 mg; 10/7 1.7 mg; 12/1 1.45 mg; 3/2 1.2 mg; 5/4 0.90 mg; 6/1 0.80 mg; 6/22 0.65 mg; 08/03 0.50 mg, 08/10 0.45 mg, 10/05 0.325 mg, 11/23 0.2 mg, 12/14 0.15 mg, 12/21 0.125 mg, 02/28 0.03125 mg, 2/15 0.015625 mg, 2/29/20 0.00 mg - OFF Effexor I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. My suggestions are based on personal experience, reading, observation and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers Link to comment
Barbarannamated Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Love you, Karma. {{{HUGS}}} Pristiq tapered over 8 months ending Spring 2011 after 18 years of polydrugging that began w/Zoloft for fatigue/general malaise (not mood). CURRENT: 1mg Klonopin qhs (SSRI bruxism), 75mg trazodone qhs, various hormonesLitigation for 11 years for Work-related injury, settled 2004. Involuntary medical retirement in 2001 (age 39). 2012 - brain MRI showing diffuse, chronic cerebrovascular damage/demyelination possibly vasculitis/cerebritis. Dx w/autoimmune polyendocrine failure.<p>2013 - Dx w/CNS Sjogren's Lupus (FANA antibodies first appeared in 1997 but missed by doc). Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus tezza Posted May 25, 2012 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 25, 2012 I love you too, Karma! I'm sorry I was out of commission for quite some time so I just wanted to stop by and let you know I didn't stop thinking of you. ( That is when I could 'think' at all. ) {{{Hugs}}} Love you, Tezza http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1644-tezza-risperdal-withdrawal/ Seroquel and Mirtazipine Link to comment
Nikki Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Hi Karma... When I switched from pills to liquid there was an adjustment period for me. I've read about others experiencing this too. Hugs Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1902-nikki-hi-my-rundown-with-ads/ Paxil 1997-2004 Crossed over to Lexapro Paxil not available at Pharmacies GSK halted deliveries Lexapro 40mgs Lexapro taper (2years) Imipramine Imipramine and Celexa Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each 45mgs. Serzone 50mgs. Imipramine Link to comment
Administrator Karma Posted May 25, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted May 25, 2012 Thanks for the thoughts and hugs I've been on the liquid for two weeks and at that dose for 4 weeks, so today I reduced by 1.125 mg in the AM and will reduce by .75 this evening to get to even mL. That is a decrement of 1.875 mg which is just under 5% of my current dose. I'll check in and let you know how it goes. Love and light, Karma 2007 @ 375 mg Effexor - 11/29/2011 - 43.75 mg Effexor (regular) & .625 mg Xanax 200 mg Gabapentin 2/27/21 - 194.5 mg, 5/28/21 - 183 mg, 8/2/21 - 170 mg, 11/28/21 - 150 mg, 4/19/22 - 122 mg; 8//7/22 - 100 mg; 12/17 - 75mg; 8/17 - 45 mg; 10/16 40 mg Xanax taper: 3/11/12 - 0.9375 mg, 3/25/12 - 0.875 mg, 4/6/12 - 0.8125 mg, 4/18/12 - 0.75 ; 10/16 40mg; 1/16 0.6875 mg; at some point 0.625 mg Effexor taper: 1/29/12 - 40.625 mg, 4/29/12 - 39.875 mg, 5/11/12 - Switched to liquid Effexor, 5/25/12 - 38 mg, 7/6/12 - 35 mg, 8/17/12 - 32 mg, 9/14/12 - 30 mg, 10/19/12 - 28 mg, 11/9/12 - 26 mg, 11/30/12 - 24 mg, 01/14/13 - 22 mg. 02/25/13 - 20.8 mg, 03/18/13 - 19.2 mg, 4/15/13 - 17.6 mg, 8/10/13 - 16.4 mg, 9/7/13 - 15.2 mg, 10/19/13 - 14 mg, 1/15/14 - 13.2 mg, 3/1/2014 - 12.6 mg, 5/4/14 - 12 mg, 8/1/14 - 11.4 mg, 8/29/14 - 10.8 mg; 10/14/14 - 10.2 mg; 12/15/14 - 10 mg, 1/11/15 - 9.5 mg, 2/8/15 - 9 mg, 3/21/15 - 8.5 mg, 5/1/15 - 8 mg, 6/9/15 - 7.5 mg, 7/8/15 - 7 mg, 8/22/15 - 6.5 mg, 10/4/15 - 6 mg; 1/1/16 - 5.6 mg; 2/6/16 - 5.2 mg; 4/9 - 4.8 mg; 7/7 4.5 mg; 10/7 4.25 mg; 11/4 4.0 mg; 11/25 3.8 mg; 4/24 3.6 mg; 5/27 3.4 mg; 7/8 3.2 mg ... 10/18 2.8 mg; 1/18 2.6 mg; 4/7 2.4 mg; 5/26 2.15mg; 8/18 1.85 mg; 10/7 1.7 mg; 12/1 1.45 mg; 3/2 1.2 mg; 5/4 0.90 mg; 6/1 0.80 mg; 6/22 0.65 mg; 08/03 0.50 mg, 08/10 0.45 mg, 10/05 0.325 mg, 11/23 0.2 mg, 12/14 0.15 mg, 12/21 0.125 mg, 02/28 0.03125 mg, 2/15 0.015625 mg, 2/29/20 0.00 mg - OFF Effexor I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. My suggestions are based on personal experience, reading, observation and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers Link to comment
Administrator Karma Posted May 28, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted May 28, 2012 A week ago Monday I attended a memorial for a 19-1/2 year old "all American girl." She took her own life. She had an extended family that cared for her very much and she was in her first year of college. The memorial was in a massive church that was filled with young people. I didn't know her, I attended because she was the daughter of a colleague I've worked closely with - I was there for her dad and mom. I was joined in three pews by other colleagues including the CEO of our company. On the big screen they shared pictures from her life - an all "American" life. She was an athlete and a fierce friend according to the memories shared. The minister cautioned everyone not to judge her for the decision she made because we cannot know the pain that she was in. It was interesting to be on this side of that kind of decision - did she know how many people cared? Did she know how many people it would effect, even people who didn't know her like me and our CEO? Her mother was obviously devastated - did she have any idea how difficult it would be for her mom? Any idea of how hard it would be on her younger siblings? I'm not judging her and I pray she is at peace. I send healing energy and courage to her family as they move forward without her. I thank them all for sharing this experience with me and I am so sorry for their loss. Because of what I've been through it was new for me to come out of my every day routine and extend myself in vulnerability to support her mom and dad - I've had ideation of suicide during my withdrawals and now I've actually considered who would turn out for me - and it makes me realize how many people I have touched that I don't realize I've touched on a daily basis. Part of this is observation that I wanted to share with the community: when we focus so hard on just making it through the day we often close ourselves off and pull in to avoid being any more vulnerable - and that is fine; it is something we have to do to survive during this time. While we are healing from the effects of antidepressants we really can't extend ourselves and may find that we have a daily routine that we cling to religiously. It was profound for me to step outside of my daily routine and to extend myself in support of my colleague - I cried for a promising life that ended too soon. We can heal, my friends. We can. I'd like to take a moment to offer Tommysmom's my sincere condolences on the loss of her son. Love and light, Karma 1 2007 @ 375 mg Effexor - 11/29/2011 - 43.75 mg Effexor (regular) & .625 mg Xanax 200 mg Gabapentin 2/27/21 - 194.5 mg, 5/28/21 - 183 mg, 8/2/21 - 170 mg, 11/28/21 - 150 mg, 4/19/22 - 122 mg; 8//7/22 - 100 mg; 12/17 - 75mg; 8/17 - 45 mg; 10/16 40 mg Xanax taper: 3/11/12 - 0.9375 mg, 3/25/12 - 0.875 mg, 4/6/12 - 0.8125 mg, 4/18/12 - 0.75 ; 10/16 40mg; 1/16 0.6875 mg; at some point 0.625 mg Effexor taper: 1/29/12 - 40.625 mg, 4/29/12 - 39.875 mg, 5/11/12 - Switched to liquid Effexor, 5/25/12 - 38 mg, 7/6/12 - 35 mg, 8/17/12 - 32 mg, 9/14/12 - 30 mg, 10/19/12 - 28 mg, 11/9/12 - 26 mg, 11/30/12 - 24 mg, 01/14/13 - 22 mg. 02/25/13 - 20.8 mg, 03/18/13 - 19.2 mg, 4/15/13 - 17.6 mg, 8/10/13 - 16.4 mg, 9/7/13 - 15.2 mg, 10/19/13 - 14 mg, 1/15/14 - 13.2 mg, 3/1/2014 - 12.6 mg, 5/4/14 - 12 mg, 8/1/14 - 11.4 mg, 8/29/14 - 10.8 mg; 10/14/14 - 10.2 mg; 12/15/14 - 10 mg, 1/11/15 - 9.5 mg, 2/8/15 - 9 mg, 3/21/15 - 8.5 mg, 5/1/15 - 8 mg, 6/9/15 - 7.5 mg, 7/8/15 - 7 mg, 8/22/15 - 6.5 mg, 10/4/15 - 6 mg; 1/1/16 - 5.6 mg; 2/6/16 - 5.2 mg; 4/9 - 4.8 mg; 7/7 4.5 mg; 10/7 4.25 mg; 11/4 4.0 mg; 11/25 3.8 mg; 4/24 3.6 mg; 5/27 3.4 mg; 7/8 3.2 mg ... 10/18 2.8 mg; 1/18 2.6 mg; 4/7 2.4 mg; 5/26 2.15mg; 8/18 1.85 mg; 10/7 1.7 mg; 12/1 1.45 mg; 3/2 1.2 mg; 5/4 0.90 mg; 6/1 0.80 mg; 6/22 0.65 mg; 08/03 0.50 mg, 08/10 0.45 mg, 10/05 0.325 mg, 11/23 0.2 mg, 12/14 0.15 mg, 12/21 0.125 mg, 02/28 0.03125 mg, 2/15 0.015625 mg, 2/29/20 0.00 mg - OFF Effexor I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. My suggestions are based on personal experience, reading, observation and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus tezza Posted May 28, 2012 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 28, 2012 Karma, Thank you for sharing that with the community. Please know, that you have touched my life on several occasions. Although we've never physically met, you are a blessing to me and I could never express my gratitude in mere words. I, too, have experienced the suicidal ideation, but you were there to help me through those times and I haven't forgotten. We have different views in certain areas but I wont say I'm right and you are wrong or visa-versa. I'm just thankful to have a friend like you've been to me and hope to brighten your day sometime, as well. You have a beautiful heart and I pray many blessings come your way. Love and light, Tezza http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1644-tezza-risperdal-withdrawal/ Seroquel and Mirtazipine Link to comment
Administrator Karma Posted May 28, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted May 28, 2012 You are a blessing to me, too, Tezza. Thank you. Karma 2007 @ 375 mg Effexor - 11/29/2011 - 43.75 mg Effexor (regular) & .625 mg Xanax 200 mg Gabapentin 2/27/21 - 194.5 mg, 5/28/21 - 183 mg, 8/2/21 - 170 mg, 11/28/21 - 150 mg, 4/19/22 - 122 mg; 8//7/22 - 100 mg; 12/17 - 75mg; 8/17 - 45 mg; 10/16 40 mg Xanax taper: 3/11/12 - 0.9375 mg, 3/25/12 - 0.875 mg, 4/6/12 - 0.8125 mg, 4/18/12 - 0.75 ; 10/16 40mg; 1/16 0.6875 mg; at some point 0.625 mg Effexor taper: 1/29/12 - 40.625 mg, 4/29/12 - 39.875 mg, 5/11/12 - Switched to liquid Effexor, 5/25/12 - 38 mg, 7/6/12 - 35 mg, 8/17/12 - 32 mg, 9/14/12 - 30 mg, 10/19/12 - 28 mg, 11/9/12 - 26 mg, 11/30/12 - 24 mg, 01/14/13 - 22 mg. 02/25/13 - 20.8 mg, 03/18/13 - 19.2 mg, 4/15/13 - 17.6 mg, 8/10/13 - 16.4 mg, 9/7/13 - 15.2 mg, 10/19/13 - 14 mg, 1/15/14 - 13.2 mg, 3/1/2014 - 12.6 mg, 5/4/14 - 12 mg, 8/1/14 - 11.4 mg, 8/29/14 - 10.8 mg; 10/14/14 - 10.2 mg; 12/15/14 - 10 mg, 1/11/15 - 9.5 mg, 2/8/15 - 9 mg, 3/21/15 - 8.5 mg, 5/1/15 - 8 mg, 6/9/15 - 7.5 mg, 7/8/15 - 7 mg, 8/22/15 - 6.5 mg, 10/4/15 - 6 mg; 1/1/16 - 5.6 mg; 2/6/16 - 5.2 mg; 4/9 - 4.8 mg; 7/7 4.5 mg; 10/7 4.25 mg; 11/4 4.0 mg; 11/25 3.8 mg; 4/24 3.6 mg; 5/27 3.4 mg; 7/8 3.2 mg ... 10/18 2.8 mg; 1/18 2.6 mg; 4/7 2.4 mg; 5/26 2.15mg; 8/18 1.85 mg; 10/7 1.7 mg; 12/1 1.45 mg; 3/2 1.2 mg; 5/4 0.90 mg; 6/1 0.80 mg; 6/22 0.65 mg; 08/03 0.50 mg, 08/10 0.45 mg, 10/05 0.325 mg, 11/23 0.2 mg, 12/14 0.15 mg, 12/21 0.125 mg, 02/28 0.03125 mg, 2/15 0.015625 mg, 2/29/20 0.00 mg - OFF Effexor I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. My suggestions are based on personal experience, reading, observation and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers Link to comment
Administrator Karma Posted June 2, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted June 2, 2012 Thanks for the thoughts and hugs I've been on the liquid for two weeks and at that dose for 4 weeks, so today I reduced by 1.125 mg in the AM and will reduce by .75 this evening to get to even mL. That is a decrement of 1.875 mg which is just under 5% of my current dose. I'll check in and let you know how it goes. Love and light, Karma I am 8 days into this decrement and I don't think I've been feeling any withdrawal symptoms . I do notice degrees or shades of greater ability to cope with stress as the days go by. Today was a better day than I've had the rest of this week. My bone specialist wants me to change my estrogen HRT from a troche (sublingual) to a patch. I don't really want to make changes in my estrogen treatment right now. I'm going to do some more research and see if the different delivery system does make a difference in how the estrogen supports bone growth - if it doesn't, I'm not making the change. If I don't make any changes to the estrogen I'll probably decrement in another two weeks at the three week point. So Karma is doing well. Karma 2007 @ 375 mg Effexor - 11/29/2011 - 43.75 mg Effexor (regular) & .625 mg Xanax 200 mg Gabapentin 2/27/21 - 194.5 mg, 5/28/21 - 183 mg, 8/2/21 - 170 mg, 11/28/21 - 150 mg, 4/19/22 - 122 mg; 8//7/22 - 100 mg; 12/17 - 75mg; 8/17 - 45 mg; 10/16 40 mg Xanax taper: 3/11/12 - 0.9375 mg, 3/25/12 - 0.875 mg, 4/6/12 - 0.8125 mg, 4/18/12 - 0.75 ; 10/16 40mg; 1/16 0.6875 mg; at some point 0.625 mg Effexor taper: 1/29/12 - 40.625 mg, 4/29/12 - 39.875 mg, 5/11/12 - Switched to liquid Effexor, 5/25/12 - 38 mg, 7/6/12 - 35 mg, 8/17/12 - 32 mg, 9/14/12 - 30 mg, 10/19/12 - 28 mg, 11/9/12 - 26 mg, 11/30/12 - 24 mg, 01/14/13 - 22 mg. 02/25/13 - 20.8 mg, 03/18/13 - 19.2 mg, 4/15/13 - 17.6 mg, 8/10/13 - 16.4 mg, 9/7/13 - 15.2 mg, 10/19/13 - 14 mg, 1/15/14 - 13.2 mg, 3/1/2014 - 12.6 mg, 5/4/14 - 12 mg, 8/1/14 - 11.4 mg, 8/29/14 - 10.8 mg; 10/14/14 - 10.2 mg; 12/15/14 - 10 mg, 1/11/15 - 9.5 mg, 2/8/15 - 9 mg, 3/21/15 - 8.5 mg, 5/1/15 - 8 mg, 6/9/15 - 7.5 mg, 7/8/15 - 7 mg, 8/22/15 - 6.5 mg, 10/4/15 - 6 mg; 1/1/16 - 5.6 mg; 2/6/16 - 5.2 mg; 4/9 - 4.8 mg; 7/7 4.5 mg; 10/7 4.25 mg; 11/4 4.0 mg; 11/25 3.8 mg; 4/24 3.6 mg; 5/27 3.4 mg; 7/8 3.2 mg ... 10/18 2.8 mg; 1/18 2.6 mg; 4/7 2.4 mg; 5/26 2.15mg; 8/18 1.85 mg; 10/7 1.7 mg; 12/1 1.45 mg; 3/2 1.2 mg; 5/4 0.90 mg; 6/1 0.80 mg; 6/22 0.65 mg; 08/03 0.50 mg, 08/10 0.45 mg, 10/05 0.325 mg, 11/23 0.2 mg, 12/14 0.15 mg, 12/21 0.125 mg, 02/28 0.03125 mg, 2/15 0.015625 mg, 2/29/20 0.00 mg - OFF Effexor I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. My suggestions are based on personal experience, reading, observation and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers Link to comment
Barbarannamated Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Glad to hear you're doing well, Karma. Why does your bone doc prefer patch over sublingual estrogen? Estrogen is interesting with the more research I do. And I'm obsessed with endocrine system Pristiq tapered over 8 months ending Spring 2011 after 18 years of polydrugging that began w/Zoloft for fatigue/general malaise (not mood). CURRENT: 1mg Klonopin qhs (SSRI bruxism), 75mg trazodone qhs, various hormonesLitigation for 11 years for Work-related injury, settled 2004. Involuntary medical retirement in 2001 (age 39). 2012 - brain MRI showing diffuse, chronic cerebrovascular damage/demyelination possibly vasculitis/cerebritis. Dx w/autoimmune polyendocrine failure.<p>2013 - Dx w/CNS Sjogren's Lupus (FANA antibodies first appeared in 1997 but missed by doc). Link to comment
Administrator Karma Posted June 2, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted June 2, 2012 Bone doc seems to think that in-range estrogen (estradiol) should drive FSH down and that should help build bone ... I'm not sure I buy it. What I've read so far tells me that if you've already lost bone density that estrogen isn't going to help gain it back. Need to do more research before I make any changes. Barb, have you seen anything that validates the doc's position on this? Karma 2007 @ 375 mg Effexor - 11/29/2011 - 43.75 mg Effexor (regular) & .625 mg Xanax 200 mg Gabapentin 2/27/21 - 194.5 mg, 5/28/21 - 183 mg, 8/2/21 - 170 mg, 11/28/21 - 150 mg, 4/19/22 - 122 mg; 8//7/22 - 100 mg; 12/17 - 75mg; 8/17 - 45 mg; 10/16 40 mg Xanax taper: 3/11/12 - 0.9375 mg, 3/25/12 - 0.875 mg, 4/6/12 - 0.8125 mg, 4/18/12 - 0.75 ; 10/16 40mg; 1/16 0.6875 mg; at some point 0.625 mg Effexor taper: 1/29/12 - 40.625 mg, 4/29/12 - 39.875 mg, 5/11/12 - Switched to liquid Effexor, 5/25/12 - 38 mg, 7/6/12 - 35 mg, 8/17/12 - 32 mg, 9/14/12 - 30 mg, 10/19/12 - 28 mg, 11/9/12 - 26 mg, 11/30/12 - 24 mg, 01/14/13 - 22 mg. 02/25/13 - 20.8 mg, 03/18/13 - 19.2 mg, 4/15/13 - 17.6 mg, 8/10/13 - 16.4 mg, 9/7/13 - 15.2 mg, 10/19/13 - 14 mg, 1/15/14 - 13.2 mg, 3/1/2014 - 12.6 mg, 5/4/14 - 12 mg, 8/1/14 - 11.4 mg, 8/29/14 - 10.8 mg; 10/14/14 - 10.2 mg; 12/15/14 - 10 mg, 1/11/15 - 9.5 mg, 2/8/15 - 9 mg, 3/21/15 - 8.5 mg, 5/1/15 - 8 mg, 6/9/15 - 7.5 mg, 7/8/15 - 7 mg, 8/22/15 - 6.5 mg, 10/4/15 - 6 mg; 1/1/16 - 5.6 mg; 2/6/16 - 5.2 mg; 4/9 - 4.8 mg; 7/7 4.5 mg; 10/7 4.25 mg; 11/4 4.0 mg; 11/25 3.8 mg; 4/24 3.6 mg; 5/27 3.4 mg; 7/8 3.2 mg ... 10/18 2.8 mg; 1/18 2.6 mg; 4/7 2.4 mg; 5/26 2.15mg; 8/18 1.85 mg; 10/7 1.7 mg; 12/1 1.45 mg; 3/2 1.2 mg; 5/4 0.90 mg; 6/1 0.80 mg; 6/22 0.65 mg; 08/03 0.50 mg, 08/10 0.45 mg, 10/05 0.325 mg, 11/23 0.2 mg, 12/14 0.15 mg, 12/21 0.125 mg, 02/28 0.03125 mg, 2/15 0.015625 mg, 2/29/20 0.00 mg - OFF Effexor I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. My suggestions are based on personal experience, reading, observation and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers Link to comment
Barbarannamated Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 No, I haven't, Karma, but I've never researched that. I know very little compared to your knowledge! Everything leads to another loop, a different theory, it seems. I did post an article recently on magnesium and fibromyalgia that touched on osteoporosis also. It's all such a delicate balance. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2338-the-role-of-magnesium-in-fibromyalgia-and-other-disorders/page__pid__23156#entry23156 Just FYI. I begin searching one thing and then get lost in internet. Pristiq tapered over 8 months ending Spring 2011 after 18 years of polydrugging that began w/Zoloft for fatigue/general malaise (not mood). CURRENT: 1mg Klonopin qhs (SSRI bruxism), 75mg trazodone qhs, various hormonesLitigation for 11 years for Work-related injury, settled 2004. Involuntary medical retirement in 2001 (age 39). 2012 - brain MRI showing diffuse, chronic cerebrovascular damage/demyelination possibly vasculitis/cerebritis. Dx w/autoimmune polyendocrine failure.<p>2013 - Dx w/CNS Sjogren's Lupus (FANA antibodies first appeared in 1997 but missed by doc). Link to comment
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