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Thx miT. 

If I'm honest I'm scared. I think my life is just ending. Every week I try to find the best solution. There was acupuncture, there were 2 doctors (very famous) and I am sitting here with you trying to get confirmation that a doctor too may be right. You are suggesting that I am entering into a powerful addiction to one of the worst benzodiazepines. I think so too. Once upon a time I got a massive blow to the central nervous system, it was when I got first drag and first treatment (sertraline).  I had the same symptoms as the second introduction of paroxetine (waves, mood changes, obsessive thoughts) . Then I did not know what clonopin was just took as doctor said and he put me on my feet and I came back to my health, but it was to install paroxetine, now to discontinue.

 

Anyway. Can I get advice which supplement to exchange trazadon?  

I have melatonin 5 mg

CBD oil 4% 

I had never tried them and I don't know if they interact with my drags. 

Also I don't know how to make it. 

1) take for egzample 2mg melatonin with less trazadon or discontinue trazadon and then start one of this supplements or something completely different. 

 

anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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SlavicLady, we don't recommend substituting supplements for your medications. There is no difference between doing that and stopping the medication all at once. We strongly urge people to slowly taper their medications, unless otherwise advised by a doctor for an urgent and threatening medical reason.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.
1997-1999 Effexor; 2002-2005 Effexor XR 37.5 mg linear taper, dropping same #beads/week with bad results

Cymbalta 60 mg 2012 - 2015; 2016: 20 mg to 7 mg exact doses and dates in this post; 2017: 6.3 mg to  0.0 mg  Aug. 12; details here


scallywag's Introduction
Online spreadsheet for dose taper calculations and nz11's THE WORKS spreadsheet

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scallywag  i was on trazadon only 3 months- how to tapper it? can't I support with supplements? it was given for sleeping.  Now clonopin do this job (for short time), so I thought that I can use it to tapper off trazadon or replace it by supplement (ssri destroyied my sleeping).

 

anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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Let me try once again:

 

it's not so much SSRI per se or Paroxetine that destroyed your sleep and caused all the other symptoms.

 

You are suffering from a classical discontinuation symptom which is in essence a severe destabilization of the central nervous system.

 

There are no quick fixes for that. There is no drug or supplement that you can take so that it would go away in a matter of days or even weeks. You are not destroyed. Brains have an incredible ability to heal. But it takes time. You didn't allow enough time for the stabilization process to work. It can take months. But if you keep everything stable very gradually things will get better. 

 

The only thing that helps is keeping everything as stable as possible: take the same dose of the same drugs at the same time every day and focus on self-care. Make necessary adjustments in your life style, take time off work, be gentle to yourself, avoid stress, do what you find pleasant...

 

Doing what you are doing: increasing and decreasing doses, introducing new drugs, fast reducing others - this is what is preventing you from stabilizing.

 

When your doctor put you on (if I remember it correctly because you still didn't fill in your signature) 20 mg of Paroxetine it was a too high dose after you were off for a month or two. That's why we recommend reinstating much smaller doses.

 

5 mg is a lot smaller dose and I believe you could stabilize on it.

 

Where is logic in this: you are convinced that 5 mg Paroxitene is what is making you bad but when you decrease your symptoms get even worse to the point that you have to cope with them by using clonazepam.

 

Wouldn't a more sensible approach be not to reduce it any more (to prevent symptoms from getting worse and getting hooked on yet another drug). You are obviously very sensitive to psychotropic medication and in addition they will not work now as they used to work before because your brain has changed after all the trauma.

 

Do you now realise looking back at your history with these drugs that those depressive episodes where withdrawal symptoms because you tapered too fast?

 

3 months is not only. It's a long time especially for an injured and very sensitive brain. I can't see any logic in tapering trazodone now. The only  thing I see happening as a result is you getting even worse. I'm sorry to say that but things can get even worse.

 

Try to read this thread carefully to be able to understand what is going on with you and what we are trying to tell you.

 

 

 

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Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2

2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013)

Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 
1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg.
2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg
went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days after
reinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours
28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr  2015 1 mg,  25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64  Xanax     9 month hold

24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26

Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic 

I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. 

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4 hours ago, bubble said:

 

You are suffering from a classical discontinuation symptom which is in essence a severe destabilization of the central nervous system.

 

There are no quick fixes for that. There is no drug or supplement that you can take so that it would go away in a matter of days or even weeks. You are not destroyed. Brains have an incredible ability to heal. But it takes time. You didn't allow enough time for the stabilization process to work. It can take months. But if you keep everything stable very gradually things will get better. 

 

 

This is great advice from Bubble. Since there are no quick fixes, I'm going to list a link to some great non-drug methods for helping symptoms. This will give you an idea of what to look for, and then you can search the internet and probably find good resources in your native language. Please give these non-drug methods a chance to work, as it takes practice. They work best when repeated daily, several times a day. For example, add in three short guided meditations, a walk in nature, and a few minutes listening to a calming, relaxing song every day. This will train your nervous system how to relax when stressed.

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

Neuro Emotions

 

"Change the channel" - dealing with cognitive symptoms

 

It's important to learn about non-drug coping techniques so you don't need to reach for a pill as a response to emotional pain. If you can learn this while going through the extreme states of withdrawal, these skills will serve you well into your drug-free future. 

 

 

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bubble , Shep

Thank you for support.

Please do not get the impression that your recommendations are ignored. I am grateful for every message and I do not want to be deaf to anything. As the doctor's plan does not go out, I will follow all the recommendations, without the support of a psychiatrist. I just try to trust him, that I would stabilize out of drag. Now I tapper slower than before (before- 5 mg monthly and stop- now we did smaller dosage 3 mg, 1,5 mg, 0,74 mg. Then off and stabilizing. He said that its common practice and that many people get better after this difficult months. If I should wait months for stabilization, then waiting on 0 mg will be more reasonable- (I mean if I could be stable on paroxetine and work I did, but if I should take sick leave in work and suffer then I would know that I don't have second battle in front (tapering stopping and so on).

 

no medical ways to deal with WD. Until the day I got hit I used to practice mindfulness, I was training dance, I was listening paul mckenn affirmations, also I finished 2 years therapy, that was the reason I decreased paroxetine and felt healthy. Now It doesn't work like it used to be. Even I feel like it doesn't work at all. 2 weeks ago I started CBT therapy.

 

I know that changing in dosages adding new drags made me feel worse. Now I know it. Before I thought its normal that when you have problem with sleeping they are giving you trazadon, so you take. Then they added me propranolol and still was not enough. Then they mentioned about pregabaline- so finally I was supposed to take 4 meds. That made me angry and I said stop. I tried to stabilise on this paroxetine- but it can't. In every 3 week on each dosage I became to feel worse.

 

I imagined that in future I will have to tapper 4 meds.

 

I choosed this doctor who said that this is addiction-

I disscussed with dr. he said that I am addicted from paroxetine, that I should tapper off slowly (yes here it is still not slow).

He wrote me to do:

 

3 mg- 21 days

1,5 mg 21 days

0,74 mg 21 days

scallywag - wrote me more safe plan and if my doctor plan will fail I will do your recomended one.

 

with clonopin for 3-4 months- he said that maximum is 1,5 mg a day, that I should check which dosage will be smallest appropriate. Now I take 0,5 mg, i work and sleep, but even I do it I don't feel much better (I have relife from deep depression thoughts and obssesive thoughts).

 

Next week I will start acupuncture again. Also I bought CBD oil 4% to discontiniue clonopin in near future.

 

I have question if my data will be helpfull for you? Maybe it will work and then you can use it to find the best way to help of all those suffering people.

 

If this is common procedure in psychiatrist it mean that sometimes it work?

anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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bubble - yes I know not paroxetine cause my current feeling, but WD.

anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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11 minutes ago, SlavicLady said:

3 mg- 21 days

1,5 mg 21 days

0,74 mg 21 days

scallywag - wrote me more safe plan and if my doctor plan will fail I will do your recomended one.

 

SlavicLady, if your doctor's plan fails, you will be very sick. This is far too fast. 

 

12 minutes ago, SlavicLady said:

I have question if my data will be helpfull for you? Maybe it will work and then you can use it to find the best way to help of all those suffering people.

 

 

 

We already have countless examples of failed tapers. You will find examples of them all over this forum - many people only come to SA after their doctor's plain fails. You already have provided us with your account of a taper that was too fast and failed.  That's why we are advising you NOT to taper this quickly again. 

 

 

13 minutes ago, SlavicLady said:

If this is common procedure in psychiatrist it mean that sometimes it work?

 

Yes, it's common in psychiatry to do rapid tapers. But this only works for people who aren't dependent (or "addicted" as you wrote). 

 

But you ARE addicted - you said so yourself. 

 

I don't have the time or energy (and neither do the other moderators) to keep arguing with you.

 

As I said in my post here, SA is not the right website for you. We gave you a safe taper here, advice on how to hold and stabilize, but instead, you have decreased your dose on the paroxetine and trazodone and added in a benzodiazepine drug. You haven't even bothered setting up a signature, so moderators are having to re-read your thread before responding to your questions. 

 

Since you aren't interested in our advice, please work with your doctor. We can't help you here if you aren't interested in SA guidelines regarding your taper. It's a waste of both of our time and energy.

 

 

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Shep- I can't think about paroxetine anymore. If I should stand waves and windows I prefer off or on escitalopramum.

 

What would be better choice then. ( from this 2 bad choice - as you mentioned ) 

 

Switching to escitalopramum  ( which dosage- min therapeutic?  10 mg? ) 

 

Or keep this risky plan of doctor. 

 

I know that is not what you suggest but what would be less evil. 

 

I am so sorry, if you feel that I argue with any of you. It's not my intention. 

 

Ah. 

 

 

 

 

anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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On ‎01‎/‎07‎/‎2017 at 8:53 AM, bubble said:

Hello Slavic Lady and welcome to Surviving Antidepressants.

 

I'm away for the weekend and typing this from my phone but I would like to get you started and you've been waiting long for your first post.

 

Also I worry you will make yourself very sick if you proceede with your doctor's plan especially after all the changes you have had so far.

 

I must say it was difficult for me to follow everything that your brain has been put through recently. But if I were you I would stop any further decreases immediately.

 

What are your symptoms at the moment?

It would also be nice to have a short summary of your drug history in your signature as the rest of us have-- drugs, doses, dates, and discontinuations & reinstatements, in the last 12-24 months particularly?

  • Any drugs prior to 24 months ago can just be listed with start and stop years.
  • Please use actual dates or approximate dates (mid-June, Late October) rather than relative time frames (last week, 3 months ago)
  • Spell out months, e.g. "October" or "Oct."; 9/1/2016 can be interpreted as Jan. 9, 2016 or Sept. 1, 2016.
  • Please leave out symptoms and diagnoses.
  • A list is easier to understand than one or multiple paragraphs.
  • Link to Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature.

Please inform yourself before you continue and ask as many questions as you need to here.

 

Doctors have no idea it's possible to take lesser doses of drugs than are availabld on the market (I'm taking 3.75 mg now). You will find detailed instructions on how to do it here when the time comes.

 

But give yourself a huge favour, stop reducing and read through these links.

 

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

Dr Joseph Glenmullen's WD Symptoms Checklist

 

What should I expect from my doctor about withdrawal symptoms?

 

How do you talk to a doctor about tapering and withdrawal?

 

These helped me to understand SA's recommendations:

 

Brain Remodelling

 

Video:  Healing From Antidepressants - Patterns of Recovery

 

Once again, welcome.

 

Bubble

 

 

I believe you are not trying to annoy anyone but unfortunately you are. Big time. Requests like this are what we call drug seeking behavior and we really have a big problem with that. So much that this will earn you your first warning point based on this rule:

What will get you warned or banned:

 

Drug shopping or recommending drugs
This is a site for going off drugs. It is not a site for finding out what drug to take next, comparing drug cocktails, or recommending what drug to add. This could be dangerous. People could be hurt by your advice.
 
(We do not know of any drugs or drug combination that will fix withdrawal syndrome. Reinstatement of the original drug, often at a low dose, sometimes helps and sometimes does not.)
 
If you want to discuss your diagnoses and talk about adding to your drug cocktail, there are other support sites for this, such as http://DepressionForums.org or http://PatientsLikeMe.com.
 

You can read more about this here:

 

 

We have asked you a number of times to put your drug history in your signature. Have you read the links I posted in your thread on 1 July?

 

Judging by the type of questions it seems you didn't.

 

What you are asking about now is what they call in English jumping from the frying pan into the fire. While all ADs are nasty, Paroxetine and Escitalopram compete for the title of the worst.

 

People sometimes do what is called Prozac bridge but I have seen too many cases where this went bad to advise it. You can find more info here:  

Unfortunately it seems you will have to experience another round of two or three of damage to your health at the hands of psychiatrists before you get used to the idea of unpatienting yourself and taking responsibility for your own wellbeing by informing yourself and understanding the real nature of these drugs.

Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2

2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013)

Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 
1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg.
2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg
went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days after
reinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours
28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr  2015 1 mg,  25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64  Xanax     9 month hold

24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26

Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic 

I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. 

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I didn't recommend, sell or offer any drag. 

I just asked if there is better option from 2 which I got from my doctor. 

 

I think I got this warning unfair. YES, I was unbearable, I was asking tiring questions and I was in constant panic, but that is no reason to punish someone, a specialy if I didn't offer any drag, just asked first time if I should choose from 2 doctor options what should it be. Now I see that you answer is none of your dr options is good. 

 

I thought to add to doctor plan :

 

3 mg- 21 days

2 mg- 21 days

1,5 mg 21 days

0,74 mg 21 days

 

but after I got warning because of asking to improve my doctor plan, now I can get this again, because still I want to be under his treatment, but improve it with your advices. 

 

Sorry that I was problem for your association, 

anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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This is a site for going off drugs. It is not a site for finding out what drug to take next, comparing drug cocktails, or recommending what drug to add. This could be dangerous. People could be hurt by your advice.

 

SlavicLady, re-read the part I highlighted from what Bubble just posted. When you asked about adding in escitalopram, you were asking "what drug to take next". This is a violation of site rules. You already added in a benzo (while ignoring our advice to stop rapid-tapering your antidepressants). This site is about coming off your drugs slowly. Not about adding in more or changing drug cocktails.  

 

52 minutes ago, SlavicLady said:

I thought to add to doctor plan :

 

3 mg- 21 days

2 mg- 21 days - 33% reduction

1,5 mg 21 days - 25% reduction

0,74 mg 21 days - 51% reduction

 

but after I got warning because of asking to improve my doctor plan, now I can get this again, because still I want to be under his treatment, but improve it with your advices. 

 

This is still a dangerous taper - see my comments that are highlighted in the above quote. As we've repeatedly told you, this site recommends no faster than a 10% per month reduction. 

 

Is your doctor forcing you to come off paroxetine this quickly? 

 

 

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Shep - of course he don't force me. He said that if I want him to treat me, I should trust him. He said that now many people got this dependency with paroxetine and that is why he added clonopin (clonozepam- to decrease WD sympthoms ) to reduce it slowly (but not as slow as here). I asked about 10%, then he told me that, we can't stay on clonpin so long.

 

Today firt day on trazadon 25 mg,

I hope next week to stop it. I don't want to make any violation for stie rules, but can I try sleeping supplements instead of trazadon? Melatonie or any other? Do you addvice this kind of thing or this is also forbbiden? If I think correct it will be discontinuation of one drag, wich I took for 3 motnhs (it is accordning to this site rule? )

 

 

anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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3 mg- 21 days

2 mg- 21 days - 33% reduction

1,5 mg 21 days - 25% reduction

0,74 mg 21 days - 51% reduction

 

or

 

3 mg- 21 days

2 mg- 21 days - 33% reduction

1,5 mg 21 days - 25% reduction

1 mg for 21 days- then stop.  

anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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On ‎7‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 9:25 AM, bubble said:

 
If you want to discuss your diagnoses and talk about adding to your drug cocktail, there are other support sites for this, such as http://DepressionForums.org or http://PatientsLikeMe.com.

 

Pandoraa,

I feel for you and your situation, but we are not the right site for you.  We cannot bargain with you to find a tapering schedule.  The only tapering schedule we will agree with is the one given before, 10% from the previous months dose is reduced. So every 30 days, you would go down like this (I am not going to show the whole thing because it takes about 39 months to come off slowly enough so your brain can hopefully handle when you stop.  Obviously, you are not wiling to take 39 MONTHS, so our site is not for you.  Go to one of the 2 sites above (or both of them, and talk to them about tapering. I say this out of kindness!  I want the best for you.  So go to the sites above ONLY. Please do not ask any more questions.

 

Here is what a sample schedule looks like a reducing 10% OF THE PREVIOUS MONTHS AMOUNT not 10% of the whole amount fr one year starting at 3mg.

This is one years worth of tapering at our rate, you would most likely use a digital scale or a liquid cylinder to measure correctly:

Aug 17: 2.70mg

Sep 17: 2.43mg

Oct 17:  2.19mg

Nov 17: 1.97mg

Dec 17: 1.77mg

Jan 18: 1.59mg

Feb 18: 1.43mg

Mar 18: 1.29mg

Apr 18: 1.16mg

May 18:1.04mg

Jun 18:  0.94mg

Jul  18:  0.85mg

NOTE:  This is less than 1/3 of the way to taper our way!  I am just giving you an example at the 10% taper, some people need to sit at each dose for 6 weeks or even 8 weeks!

 

As you can see, no amount of playing with your doctor's schedule is going to even approach the way we do things. 

 

It is your choice to stay with your doctor and do it his way, just remember every drug he puts you on, you will have to come off of.  I suggest you look up withdrawing off of every drug before you put that first pill on your tongue.  I suggest you do not take Lyrica, it is very difficult to come off of, not as bad as Klonipin, but it is hard. Escitalopram is 2-4 times stronger than other SSRI antidepressants, making it harder to come off of, in my opinion.  If you look at my signature you see that I am taking it, and I wish I had never started! Escitalopram is also called Lexapro.

 

As you can see, we will not be able to agree on this issue.  Please use another web site talk about what you need to, and only come to us when you are at the point of needing our specific kind of guidance.  I hope you never need us, because I do not want to see you in that kind of pain, but look how many drugs they are adding to get you off of the ONE.  Each drug they add is harder to come off of than the one before. I have seen people try to come off of one drug, go to a psychiatrist, get put on 4 or 5 others, then never come off of them because it is too hard.

 

I do wish you luck on the other sites, and luck with your doctor's way of doing things.  We never wish ill on anyone.

 

Good luck!

Skeeter

Current meds: Lexapro 20mg, Valium 6.25mg
Current status: September 2018 forced to go down to 10mg of Valium/Diazepam from around 15mg, with the plan to have me totally of in 2 more months. I was not given a chance to give input at tapering at this speed, please go much, much slower. Luckily I found a new doctor, but was thrown off course by my rapid taper, as of 2/19 am down to 6.25mg, and am stable. Will update with dates of taper ASAP.
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Ok,

I tried go with doctor it seems that, he is wrong.

 

Finally from only Paroxetine and trazadon, I got also clonozepamum and Lyrica (I took only 2 nights 37 mg). It doesn't work even with this additional drags.

My question is, how I can choose dosage on which I can stabilise.

 

Can I try to stablize on 15 mg (last dosage when i didn't need benzos to often) ?

Or its too late? How to go to this dosage- directly from 3 mg?

 

What would be best solution in my case?

 

BR, Pandoraa

 

 

 

anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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Please post for each medication:

- your current dose

- the date when you started taking that dose

- the date when you started taking the medication.

 

Please keep notes on paper of your symptoms and the times of your dose(s). This post has a useful format for a daily log:

Take notes of doses and symptoms.

 

Post your notes (symptoms and medications) here as a new post in your introduction topic.

 

When we have several days of notes and an accurate, complete list of your medications, we may be able to suggest a next step for you to consider.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.
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from 07.07.2017: I am on paroxetine 3 mg- clonazepam 0,5 mg (3 weeks)- so I hope to discontinue (dr added to go out paroxetine faster)

Lyrica (2 days)- 37 mg at night

at: 19.07.2017- I stopped to take trazadon 50 mg

At wknd I got deep depression thoughts and obssesive thoughts, also I completely loose will do do anything. Lyrica helped to bring me back, but I know it is short time solution.

 

I hope that I can updose- but how much and how fast- last little stable dosage was (29.05.2017)- then I took 15 mg paroxetine & 75 mg trazadon (was sleeping) had windows and waves, but I didn't use benzos.

 

now I sleep but use benzos, I have less big mood swings but it is also benzos done.

I want stop them until I didn't get addiction. Lyrica- I don't know, 2 days it works, what will be later, nobody know-

Clonozepam on 5 mg also was doing fine last week on 3 mg, every second day I was with deep depression and obsessive thoughts. Like it changed its way of helping, lost positive effect, but kept me away from biggest mood swings.

 

Rest is in my signature: on each dosage (despite of 25, 30- I had waves and windows) but after 3 weeks it usually went bad again, so I was decreasing to catch my dosage. Now I can't say which exactly it was.

 

BR,

Pandoraa,

 

 

 

 

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anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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Pandoraa

 

I don't understand whether you are currently taking Lyrica or trazodone. I, other moderators and other members are dealing with cognitive symptoms of withdrawal. We need your information to be clear and easy to understand.

 

Please post as follows:

 

Paroxetine,

current dose___ mg,

started this dose on ______ [date, e.g. 21-March-2017],

started paroxetine on ______ [date]

Have you stopped taking paroxetine in the last year? If yes when?

 

clonazepam

current dose ___ mg,

started this dose on ______ [date, e.g. 21-March-2017],

started clonazepam on ______ [date]

Have you stopped taking clonazepam in the last year? If yes when?

 

lyrica,

current dose ___ mg,

started this dose on ______ [date, e.g. 21-March-2017],

started lyrica on ______ [date]

Have you stopped taking lyrica in the last year? If yes when?

 

trazodone,

current dose___ mg,

started this dose on ______ [date, e.g. 21-March-2017],

started trazodone on ______ [date]

Have you stopped taking trazodone in the last year? If yes when?

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Pandoraa, are you taking 4 drugs now?

 

Taking Lyrica with clonazepam is redundant. Why did the doctor tell you to to that?

 

We've explained several times: When you go off a drug too fast, you may feel terrible from withdrawal symptoms. We don't know how to fix this with more drugs. Doctors like to prescribe benzos such as clonazepam for this, but it's very common people will become dependent on the benzo as well, and get adverse reactions from it, not to mention withdrawal when you try to quit or even if you skip a dose.

 

If this doctor will not help you go off the drugs slowly, can you work with another doctor?

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Lyrica is to stop take clonozepam. 

Paroxetine,

current dose 3 mg,

started this dose on 07.07.2017

started paroxetine on May 2013

Have you stopped taking paroxetine in the last year? If yes when? 14 January 2017- for 2,5 month

 

clonazepam

current dose 0,5 mg,

started this dose on 05.07.2017,

started clonazepam on 05.07.2017

Have you stopped taking clonazepam in the last year? If yes when? I did 4 years ago, I had it for 3 months to install paroxetine- stopping without problems

Dr. told me to take kloranxene (klorazepam) instead of clonozepam from today. I did in the morning 5 mg

 

lyrica,

current dose 37 mg,

started this dose on 23.07.2017,

started lyrica on 23.07.2017

Have you stopped taking lyrica in the last year? If yes when? Never took it. Yesterday I didn't take it. Because I wanted to get your comment. 

 

trazodone,

current dose 75 mg,

started this dose on 29.07.2017,

started trazodone on 14.03.2017

Have you stopped taking trazodone in the last year? If yes when? in July after I started to sleep weel. Yesterday I took after five days breake (then I tried Lyrica)

 

Questions

- can I try to stabilise on 10 mg paroxetine- then I didn't use benzos or it is to late? 

 

I want ASAP stop to take benzos after this short time, so that is why dr changed in klorazepam, for few days or suggest to stay with Lyrica. 

 

 

 

 

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anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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My dr suggested to choose 

Pregabalin 75 in a day, trazadon 75 in night-or pregabaline 75 at day and 75 at night-  and stop taking benzos. After he saw that i got oposite reaction during taking them

then I should choose paroxetine dosage on which I will stabilise. This I need your advice, I wanted 10 mg, but maybe it is to late, so then 5 mg.

anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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3 hours ago, Pandoraa said:

Lyrica is to stop take clonozepam.

 

What do you mean when you say this ↑ ?

 

3 hours ago, Pandoraa said:

Questions

- can I try to stabilise on 10 mg paroxetine- then I didn't use benzos or it is to late? 

 

I want ASAP stop to take benzos after this short time, so that is why dr changed in klorazepam, for few days or suggest to stay with Lyrica.

 

We've found that far more people stabilize when they keep there doses the same so I suggest keeping your paroxetine dosage exactly where it is. Your doctor has made many changes in your medication; as a result, your CNS (central nervous system) is destabilized. Making more changes is not likely to stabilize you and is far more likely to make your symptoms worse.

 

Please read:

3KIS: Keep it slow. Keep it simple. Keep it stable.

How long to stabilize after reinstating or updosing.

 

You may have symptoms for many weeks. Adding new drugs will not fix the problem.

7 hours ago, Altostrata said:

We've explained several times:

  • When you go off a drug too fast, you may feel terrible from withdrawal symptoms.
  • We don't know how to fix this with more drugs.
  • Doctors like to prescribe benzos such as clonazepam for this, but it's very common people will become dependent on the benzo as well, and get adverse reactions from it, not to mention withdrawal when you try to quit or even if you skip a dose.

Many people here have had to deal with arrogant doctors who are bossy and controlling, who say "trust me, I'm the doctor." Unfortunately, the people taking the medication, you and me, are the ones who pay the price of their arrogant ignorance with horrible symptoms.  Ask your doctor, "What's the harm in trying a more cautious and conservative way to achieve the same result?"  Doctors take an oath to "Do no harm."  Asking that question should get the doctor's attention.  If your doctor would rather have you agree with him than have you get healthy, then it may be time to find a new doctor who is willing to work with YOU exactly as you are.

 

26 minutes ago, Pandoraa said:

My dr suggested [to stop taking benzos] and to choose 

  1. Pregabalin 75 in a day, trazadon 75 in night
    -or
  2. pregabaline 75 at day and 75 at night-  


You started taking trazodone in March, it would not be wise to stop taking it now. Stopping trazodone now is major drug change and will worsen your current symptoms or cause new ones.

 

At what times of day do you take paroxetine?

At what times of day do you take clonazepam?

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  5 hours ago, Pandoraa said:

Lyrica is to stop take clonozepam.

It mean that Lyrical instead of clonazepam. 

Clonozepam I took in morning 0.25 and evening 0.125. I plan to reduce it now. 

On 5 mg I felt better that is why I asked for updosing. On 10 i used no benzos. 

 

Yep I tried to listen to him

anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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4 hours ago, Pandoraa said:

It mean that Lyrical instead of clonazepam. 

Clonozepam I took in morning 0.25 and evening 0.125. I plan to reduce it now. 

On 5 mg I felt better that is why I asked for updosing. On 10 i used no benzos. 

 

Yep I tried to listen to him

 

Thank you for explaining about the Lyrica. Your doctor prescribed it to replace clonazepam.

 

When you ask questions, please state the name of the medication as well as the dose. For example, "on 5mg": Are you talking about paroxetine?

 

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If I were you, I would not add Lyrica to this mix. It's bad enough you're taking paroxetine with trazodone and clonazepam.

 

Can you work with a different doctor? This one seems to like to change drugs often. Going on and off psychiatric drugs causes bad symptoms.

 

We've told you many times to stop making changes and keep your drugs steady. This is so we can figure out which drug is doing what, and what you might do to reduce symptoms. If you keep on changing drugs, we can't help you.

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Alto I took it just 3 weeks ( clonazepam) it is really strong benzos, so if I stopped to follow Dr plan I would like to discontinue this as well. Problem is I can't do it on 3,so can I come back to previous dosages ? On 15 mg I didn't use benzos. Can I come back to this dosage or 5 mg is the last option? 

 

Dosage paroxetine 3 mg I start to feel worse,  that is why I asked you how to updose. But how? 

 

Do you think that when I will stay on 3 mg then it will stabilise and I will not need any benzos? 

anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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You may find it very difficult to go off clonazepam. People become dependent on it in a couple of weeks.

 

I find it very difficult to understand your symptom pattern with all the drug changes. If you think more paroxetine would be better, you can updose by 0.5mg. I believe we've explained how to make a liquid so you can measure out very small amounts. This topic explains how to make a liquid Tips for tapering off Paxil (paroxetine)

 

Tracking your symptom pattern is essential. You will need to keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. This is the only way you can tell if a drug change is beneficial.

 

It sounds like you are planning to make yet another drug change. As we've told you many times, one change on top of another confuses the situation. You're going to have to manage this carefully. If it becomes too confusing, we can't help you.

 

DO NOT CHANGE CLONAZEPAM AND PAXIL AT THE SAME TIME.

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As I can see I don't understand all this procedure. In the morning I took 5 mg instead of 3 mg. It made me feel terrible. 

I just watch your message and I misunderstood. I thought that I may go back to previous dosage 5 mg, but you meant 3,5 mgs. 

 

I panic. So I did mistake. What should I do now? I should take 5 mg. The bad filling is only in the beginning? It was my previous dosage. 

 

Of course I want to quite clonozepam till I didn't get addiction. That is why I asked if I can updosage till 10 mg. Now I feel that I will lose everything. 

 

I have dangerous depressive thoughts.  

Lyrica I didn't continue. Please tell me if it is not better than clonozepam to follow this dr advice? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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DO NOT CHANGE CLONAZEPAM AND PAXIL AT THE SAME TIME.

It mean that I can slowly reduce clonozepam,  when I will stabilise on paroxetine. Or just don't do anything with paroxetine when u reduce clonozepam. I want to quit it because it worked only 1,4 week, then I sow that it depress me. Every drag change after short time and work paradoxical. So I should stop it. Please advice how to do this after this short time. I hope not to have benzos addiction as a second problem with paroxetine WD. 

 

Paroxetine. If only after one day with 5mg I will continue 3 mg it will not affect much on my 17 days on 3mg. 

 

If I will stay on 5 mg It can stabilise if I was on this dosage 3 weeks ago. 

 

The reason why I wanted to come back to 5 mg, was that I wanted to be back to your plan 5mg was last little stable dosage. ( I  changed according to doctor plan to 3 mg- but now I wanted to go 5 mg again and tapper more slowly as u suggested) 

 

What to do with paroxetine? I tappered too fast from 5mg to 3mg so I thought  going back to your plan is nest idea and I thought it mean to go on previous dosage- stabilising and then slow tapper according to scallywag plan from 5mg. I thought that was what I should do. But staying on 3 mg when without of benzos is unbearable is good idea? 

 

Trazadon I will keep 75 mg at night. 

anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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Today I realise that I can't do it anymore. 

I had so beautiful life. 

As you can see I make mistakes one by one. As I understood I will have to stay with benzos. Also with severe withdrawal symptoms then after years next symptoms of benzos. I can't handle this. I am to weak. 

This year I planned to have a baby. 

I was promoted at work. 

That is end of everything what was important for me,  so I think it is over. I don't know what to do. But each morning I am dying. Over and over again. 

I had this from start. My first drag. Nobody believed me. 1,5 month pure hell. Then dr put me on clonozepam for 4 months with 20 mg of paroxetine. Maybe this prevented me because it was stable dosage under benzos cover. 

 

Now it happens again. This time clonazepam gives opposite reaction. It help just a little, more things he destroy. 

I need to stop it. Soon Dr will tell me that I suffer benzos wd not paroxetine. It seems easy for them. 

anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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With one hour I should take paroxetine. How many mg? 3, 4, 6 ? 

 

anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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Hi pandora, I can't really understand what drugs you are taking and which doses. And nobody here can tell you how much of which drug to take. But what I am responding to is that you need to come up with a safety plan. It sounds like you are suicidal. There are different strategies that people can use when feeling these feelings, but you must do something. (I am not checking this site very frequently lately so I will probably not be able to respond to this in a timely manner. But you need to figure out a safety plan for these difficult feelings. I wish you health and healing. 

 

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I AM COMPLETELY FREE OF PAXIL! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Forever.

 

2021: Began conservative, proper, CNS-respecting taper of Zoloft, led by the only expert on me -- me. Making own liquid. 5-10% plus holds.

2022: Holding on Zoloft for now. Current dose 47 mg. Hanging in, hanging on. Severe protracted PAWS, windows and waves. While I may not be doing "a lot" by outside standards, things are graaaaadually getting better

 

Yoga (gentle to medium); walks; daily breath practice; nutrition, fruits/veg; nature; water; EastEnders (lol); practicing self-compassion, self-care; boundaries; connection; allowing feelings; t r u s t ing that I, too, will heal. (--> may need to be reminded of this.)

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I take paroxetine 3 mg, but it was to low. Yesterday I tried 5 mg once. I wanted to go back to previous dosage. But now I don't know which to take. 5 mg again or I choose to high. 

Yesterday I had suicidal feelings half day. In Saturday also so I wanted to go back to previous dosage. (5mg was this) 

 

Trazodon 75 mg night 

Clonazepam 0.25 night 

 

anxiety at medium level 2013 may- sertraline (just 5 days)- hit my CNS, HELL.2013 june -coaxil (tianeptine) 30 days (I can't recover after first drag) 2013 July- changing doctor- paroxetine 30 mg with clonozepam 0,25 x 3 a day for 4 months (discontinued clonozepam with no problems) 2014- 10 mg-2-3 months after decreasing from 20mg I got- mood swings, which lasted 3-4 motnhs 2015-october paroxetine15 mg, december P- 10 mg, then 2016 february paroxetine 10 mg- anxiety hitted again, march 2015 paroxetine 20 mg (also I had traumatic situation in life) 2016 April-paroxetine 20 mg & trazadon 75 mg for sleeping 2016 April- August- I had sad days, but it was bearable2016 September- paroxetine 15 mg 2016 October- paroxetine 10 mg 2016 November -paroxeine 10 mg 2016 December paroxetine 5 mg 2017 January paroxetine 0 mg 14 March 2017- suddenly (depressive and anxious sleepless nights came to me)18 March 2017- I reinstate drag- 5mg 1 week, 10 mg 1 week, 15 mg 2 week, 03.04.2017-paroxetine 20 mg clonozepam for 3 weeks to install  , 29.04.2017- last time i took clonozepam 0,125mg 05.05.2017- paroxetine 30 mg just for one week- I couldn't stand it. High dosages made me obsessive thoughts, deep depression and no feelings. 08.05.2017 25 mg paroxetine- Trazadon 100, 13.05 20 mg paroxetine &Trazadon 100 I added acupuncture (depression much weaker), but only till 10 th session- then it was no difference 28.05.2017-10 mg paroxetine & Trazadon 75 till today. 19.06.2017- 5 mg paroxetine & trazadon 75 & clonazepam 0,25 mg, 07.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg& trazadon 50 mg & clonazepam 0,5 mg. 16.07.2017- paroxetine 3 mg & trazadon 25 mg clonazepam 0,5 27.07.2017 paroxetine 5 mg& trazadon 75 Mg& clonazepam 0,25 mg 

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It takes 4 days when you change your drug dose to get to a steady level in the blood and longer for the change in dose to register in the brain.  It is better to choose a dose to take and keep taking the same dose at about the same time every day.

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