virgo43: severe symptoms

[virgo43]

Dear Karen.

Thanks for asking. Very kind of u. 

 

I am not doing very good. As u know even water intake seems to affect me. The more water the more heat flush.  According to experts here the cns system is disrupted. The body can't process the meds. Therefore it caused receptor down regulation. 

 

Started having mental confusion agitation in the mornings also. I am not able to leave the house as well. 

I am very sure I can get serious issues my symptoms are worse than terry49 and he is off medication. 

 

My parents took me to a doctor and he said I consumed illicit drugs in the past. My family they are not supportive. 

[KarenB]

I'm sorry that the people around you continue to be so unsuportive Virgo.  It makes things doubly hard for you.  Time is going to be what heals you, and I know that is also frustrating when you have been waiting so long.  Other people here are also waiting a long time, so you are not alone in this.  Can you try to find one small good thing in your day - each day - that can help you to keep going?  There is so much healing in the world, and yours is happening, it is just slow.    

[virgo43]

My life is miserable and i cant find anything positive. Drugs have ruined me.

İ have a question. Can a person ruin CNS with depression or trauma. 

İ swear the god only zoloft was my poison everything went down hill. 

Second my main concern iş the mental confusion is escalating.

Third Why even water intake makes my symptoms worse? Maybe bc it is related to concentration in the blood. 

İ am in the "crappiest parrot Club". Nothing seems to be working for me. İ cant trust the doctors. Deserted by family and friends. 

[virgo43]

 My sleep is often disturbed and in the past week I had almost half day long mental confusion and heat waves daily. My back is burning. I have the rarest disease in the world.

Delirium happens in PTSD and substance and alcohol use. 

Really really my life has been stolen from me. I am a wreck barely hanging on barely existing. 

Please don't be angry I had to share this with u. When I say coma and delirium I am serious. If I quit and start exercise it will create a snow ball affect and I will constantly drink water and start losing weight. There are pins and needles in my arm. Mental confusion agitation dry mouth excessive water consumption and of course rapid weight loss.  

[Waiting12]

I'm sorry you're feeling so bad. What have mods advised on the situation? Are you tapering or on the same dose as before?

[virgo43]

Same dose. The expert moderators are amazing. They are phenomenal. Unfortunately me and Maize and Terry we are not doing good and i am possibly the worst bc İ am having mental confusion. The balance iş completely off. Cns is strugling tocope. Öne zoloft pill was the end for me. Anyway that is all. Thanks for the reply. 

[virgo43]

3birdsandrobin she was lucky.  She knew immediately to stop in my case I was forced to continue by the doctor and family and now they are all gone. 

[baroquep]

Virgo43,

 

I noticed that you posted on 3birdsandrobin's and wanted to provide you with some links that might be helpful to you.  I have found over the course of my withdrawal from anti-depressants, that a positive state of mind is half the battle when dealing with withdrawal symptoms.  I would encourage you to read as many links as you are able, as you might find something that will help ease your suffering or answer some of your questions, in particular, the link entitled "Is it always going to be like this?"

 

_______________________________________

UNUSUAL AND OVERPOWERING EMOTIONS

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

Neuro-emotion

 

Shame, guilt, regret, and self-criticism

 

Uncontrollable crying spells during and after withdrawal

 

Coping with with irritation, anger and rage 

 

Waking with panic or anxiety -- managing cortisol spikes 

 

Fear, terror, panic, and anxiety

 

Rebuilding self-confidence, accepting anxiety

 

Health anxiety, hypochondria, and obsession with symptoms 

 

OCD: obsessive thoughts, compulsive behaviors

 

Personality changes during withdrawal, who's had them?

 

"Change the channel" -- dealing with cognitive symptoms...

 

"Is it always going to be like this?"

 

What does healing from withdrawal syndrome feel like?

[powerback]

On ‎29‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 8:32 AM, virgo43 said:

My life is miserable and i cant find anything positive. Drugs have ruined me.

İ have a question. Can a person ruin CNS with depression or trauma. 

İ swear the god only zoloft was my poison everything went down hill. 

Second my main concern iş the mental confusion is escalating.

Third Why even water intake makes my symptoms worse? Maybe bc it is related to concentration in the blood. 

İ am in the "crappiest parrot Club". Nothing seems to be working for me. İ cant trust the doctors. Deserted by family and friends. 

Pains my heart to read this Virgo just keep digging in your heart for solace .why would you trust a doctor they've only proven to be destructive ,I'm finished going near  them for ever .As for family and friends ,every one has there ignorance .I think we put to much confidence in them and then get let down .they could never find out the strength of character that you are showing and all of us on here .

PB

[virgo43]

Good morning. 

Thanks for the links. I read all of them.

Sorry to be complaining. There fore I am keeping my complaints to a minimum. This is a forum for positive news. 

I often dream abt how badly I reacted to ad medicine and was forced to continue. 

 

I was in ER again due to severe pains and numbness in my arms and feet and headache. 

 

I contacted the doctor who wrote the book "anti depressant trap" he is aware of my situation he recommends getting checked in a facility to be monitored. 

 

I seem to be suffering from many other factors and the doctor said my situation can get worse. The symptoms may escalate further and get out of control. He mentioned something abt feedback mechanism sympathetic system over drive but couldn't understand. He explained the reason why fight/flight and over consumption of water happens. 

 

If I get checked in it won't be possible to control what they give or how they treat my severe symptoms.  

 

[virgo43]

I think there is a term called critical threshold. The receptor downregulation if it passes below a critical threshold the cns goes into over drive the body enters fight flight response and the symptoms escalate gradually but quickly. Even at 25mg there is no comfort for me. Don't know what to do. Have all the tools electronic scale etc. The body systems are malfunctioning food and water intake just minimal very minimal movement.  This is basically vegetative state sleep is non existent.

I have Ct brain scans with 9 months difference and there is increased calcification. It definitely built up somewhere and caused cns issues. 

[baroquep]

virgo43

Started conversation: 22 hours ago

Dear b.

I have been to ER twice with severe headache. 

I also had mental confusion. I am really worried abt Delirium Tremans. Really need to find a way out. 

Should I check into a clinic? 
http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/pinealstory2.htm

I have brain scan results with 9 months difference. There is calcification in my brain

 

[baroquep]

Hi Virgo43, I've moved your personal message from last night into your Introduction Thread so that all of the moderators will have access to your information and will be able to respond.  It's best to post your questions here as moderators are not always able to respond to your questions personally.  When you post in your Introduction thread, everyone is able to see and you will likely get a response sooner.  Please note that moderators are not medical doctors and cannot provide medical advice, as far as going into a clinic, the only people that can make that decision are you and your medical doctor.  I have no medical expertise and cannot comment on calcification of the brain.  

 

What you are experiencing is totally normal under the circumstances.  From what I can see of your tapering history, you have made some very large decreases, 75mg to 50mg Jan/Feb and then another large decrease from 50mg to 25mg in May.  The central nervous system cannot handle such large changes and this is likely what is causing your trouble.  

 

From my understanding of these drugs, and without getting too technical and to simplify their action in the brain, when we start taking a drug, our brain adapts to the presence of the drug by making changes to accommodate its presence.  It recalibrates itself back to stability despite the presence of the drug so that it can function normally again.  When a person makes a large reduction, in your case a reduction of 25mg back in January, your brain panicked to try and recalibrate itself back to stability without the 25mg and had a lot of difficulty doing this because it was such a large reduction.  Surviving Antidepressants recommends tapering by 10% of your current dose with a hold of at least four weeks in-between decreases.  Before your brain had a chance to recover from that extremely large 25mg decrease, you again reduced another 25mg which made things even worse.  In other words you have, in five short months, reduced 50mg of a potent antidepressant and your brain is having difficulty adjusting back to stability.  If you had followed the recommendations of Surviving Antidepressants to safely taper this drug by 10% each month, it would have taken you approximately two years to reduce by 50mg.

 

Reducing antidepressant doses has to be done very cautiously and slowly to avoid experiencing what is happening with you right now.  I'm not surprised that you are experiencing headaches that take you to the ER.  Your central nervous system hasn't been able to tolerate such large decreases and it is going to take a lot of time before you start feeling well again.  When I switched from Pristiq to Effexor to start tapering off of antidepressants, I didn't realize that Pristiq was so much stronger than Effexor and didn't take enough Effexor to counterbalance this change and when I destabilized it was pretty intense.  I had derealization, depersonalization, thought I was losing my mind among many other awful withdrawal symptoms.  What I learned from this experience was just how potent some of these drugs can be and their effects on the brain. I would say that it took approximately three months before I started feeling better but I have to remind you that I didn't make two very large changes in a short period of time like you have.  It can take months, many months for the brain to restabilize from a single change, even a small one so by reducing 50mg in four short months unfortunately has contributed to problems.

It may take you a very long time to stabilize from the changes that you have made and it would be in your best interest to try and learn to manage your symptoms as best as you can by finding techniques discovered by other members that helped them calm their symptoms.  In my opinion, it is going to take you a long time, likely many months before you start to feel any better, so in the meantime, all you can do is have patience that things will eventually get better for you.

Am glad to hear that you are seeing a therapist, a supportive therapist sounds like a very good idea.  Perhaps they may be able to help you incorporate a few techniques to help you with the mental confusion which is a very typical withdrawal symptom that does seem to resolve over time.  I'm going to attach a couple of links for you to read that might help you to discover ways to help you manage your symptoms.  

What is Happening in Your Brain

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

Health anxiety, hypochondria, and obsession with symptoms

Journalling - Therapeutic Writing & Health Benefits

 

Edited September 17, 2017 by baroquep

[virgo43]

Thanks for the time and effort.

I was trying to say that my body is never comfortable at any dose and with obvious calcification there is definitely calcification in other locations as well.

I am unstable at any dose. A rare person. When I first took it thr symptoms were very severe the damage must have been done at that time. 

[virgo43]

Question. 

This potent drug is taken out of the body with water.

So the amount of water and exercise amount should affect the concentration in the blood.

Why none of the members don't have any fluctuations in response to exercise and water intake. 

Yes for highly sensitive patients fellow sufferers 30 min short walk seems to be the best way.

 

Some of us are able to work out and engage in heavy exercise.  Great news.

 

In my case I have mentioned all before. 

[virgo43]

Why aren't psychiatrist aware of tapering?

Why are they prescribing these potent drugs like candy. Even to teenagers. 

 

Why we don't have researchers who have been able to find out thst these meds are no different than placebo. 

 

Why isn't all this research available?

 

Why are we so silent. Even utube videos supporting our cause are very few.

 

Why are the doctors and big pharma so powerful. When  are we gojng to see these potent drugs to be banned. Go into pages of history like mercury for syphillis.

 

[virgo43]

Mental confusion is possible to handle.

One ER doctor confirmed I have early signs of D.T. He said positive negative feedback mechanism is not working.

 

My humble opinion is who ever experienced the severest symptoms during first stages of administration suffer the most during withdrawal.

 

[ChessieCat]

Here are links to some things I have found on the internet:

Video:  Ex-Big Pharma Rep:  We’re Trained To Misinform -The Drugs ARE Dangerous (6 minute video)

Interview:  Confessions of an Rx Drug Pusher (51 minutes Gwen Olsen - ex pharmaceutical representative)
 

Antidepressants and the Placebo Effect (article by Irving Kirsch, author of The Emperor's New Drugs:  Exploding the Antidepressant Myth)
 

Video:  Irving Kirsch:  Emperor's New Drugs:  Antidepressants and the Placebo Effect (1 hour 20 minutes)

 

Video:  Simple Truths About Psychiatry - Series of 10 by Dr Peter Breggin

 

Website:  The Council for Evidence-Based Psychiatry

                 Videos:  Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from? (1 minute)

                                How are psychiatric diagnoses made?  (1 minute 30 seconds)

                                Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes? (2 minutes)

                                Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects? (1 minute)

                                Do antidepressants work? (2 minutes)                 
 

Video:  Dr James Davies:  The Origins of the DSM (35 minutes)

 

Video:  The DSM:  Psychiatry's Deadliest Scam (1 hour 20 minutes)

 

Video:  Part 1 - Pharmaceutical Drugs and the Medical Industry (1 hour 20 minutes)
Video:  Part 2 - Pharmaceutical Drugs and the Medical Industry (1 hour 20 minutes)

Video:  There Are No Rules About Psychiatric Diagnosis - And That Must End! (1 hour 10 minutes)
 

Edited September 17, 2017 by ChessieCat

[virgo43]

Dear friends.

Baroquep please remember that up until june I thought antideps were useful but I was wondering why am I suffering a lot. Then i started vomiting fainting at 75mg which made me realize that I have to come off them. Started reading and reading and came across SA and realized that these are very potent and harmful. My tapering has been abrupt but was never ever comfortable at any dose. Never ever stabilized at any dose. 

 

t.

My question is simple. 

I really am fearful of DT and I keep showing early signs. This fear is killing me and I am almost certain the calcification affected the feedback mechanism. Doctors also confirmed that In such a short time it won't be possible to have increased calcification. Clearly the fluoride in the meds have been deposited there.

 

 

 

 

[virgo43]

Question?

My heart is beating very irregularly.  95 to 65 and I had it checked nothing came out. Also I will never ever touch seroquel again. 

Skeeter was mad at me for that I didn't use it often.

Finally is there a whatsapp chat group I really need to talk to people.  

[virgo43]

Is there a government agency that follows SA. I have computer scans which show clear difference in calcification levels. What proof is necessary to show them that I am much worse than before.

The day I took the antidep I was able to sleep 5 hrs had slight headache and finally was able to walk an hour. Assuming that was the bottom of my illness. 

Now I am much much worse and at risk of losing my life. 

[virgo43]

Just as an update. The GP found there are a few cysts in my large intestine and I booked an appointment with oncology department. 

 

Every single side effect of ssri s I am facing. 

 

It is clear that even the starting dose was toxic for me. Is there a center which deals with patients who over dose on antidepressants and face serious symptoms.  My friends recommended the following. 

 

 

 

Recommendation to consult with an online substance abuse detox center.. based in the US
https://www.samhsa.gov/

 

How about Europe?

 

The addiction clinics in Istanbul refused to treat me. 

 

I am again in panic mode. 

 

 

 

[ChessieCat]

12 hours ago, virgo43 said:

The GP found there are a few cysts in my large intestine

 

You might have got these anyway without taking a psychiatric drug.  There are some things that are caused by them, but not everything.  For example I have small lumps which move around in my knee but I am not blaming them on taking an antidepressant for 25+ years.

[Altostrata]

No government agency follows SurvivingAntidepressants.org. SAMHSA is a U.S. government agency. It does not treat patients.

 

Your gut problems are probably unrelated to the Zoloft you took.

 

Your condition is not one detox centers would treat. By "detox," they mean going off drugs. You are not taking drugs.

 

You had an adverse reaction to Zoloft. It will take time for your system to settle down from that.

 

 

[virgo43]

Cysts/ hemorrhoids are one of the side effects plus I didn't have any before.

I am really struggling here and my extended family they are asking me to get hospitalized to be monitored. Not in a good condition. Currently trying to find a doctor that understands. My therapist/doctor who is aware of such problems is not related to a hospital. He is also looking and contacting his colleagues. 

 

I basically survived the first dose just by chance most others would have been hospitalized and now in serious trouble.

 

The calcification the cysts the receptor downgrade are all done by this lentil size drug.

 

I was wondering if any of u are aware of a case or a doctor who treats patients who attempted suicide and or overdosed with these ssri drugs. Mine is no different. 

 

Cns is de stabilized beyond recovery. Don't know what to do. Where to go. It is not addiction it is physiological modification.  

[virgo43]

Sister Alto.

Thanks for the explanation.

[virgo43]

With help of brilliant PoetJester we are more or less close to identifying or approximating my condition. 

Toxic metabolic encephalopathy.

http://www.lifescript.com/health/a-z/conditions_a-z/conditions/m/metabolic_encephalopathy.aspx

 

 

Build up of toxic chemicals which aren't processed by the liver in the brain. In this case toxic substance is anti depressants which actually require cyp450 enzyme to be processed. If not it results in receptor downgrade and toxicity in the brain.

I have CT scans with 9 months difference and there is increased calcification in the brain. 

 

Just wanted to share this and wanted feedback. 

 

[virgo43]

Dear family members.

 

Since this is a discussion forum I have been asking interesting (in my opinion) questions. 

 

I have been asking this question for a while.

 

1. All it matters is the concentration of the drug in the blood.

2. Food intake and water intake and exercise does effect the amount of water in the body.

3. The toxins aka ssri s that we take are processed by the liver and the kidneys. Cyp450 liver enzyme mainly. 

4. So the amount of food water and exercise should really affect the ssri levels in the blood. Therefore our symptoms can really change depending on these factors.

5. I have been reading but am not able to find an explanation to this.

 

Any ideas?

 

[virgo43]

Dear friends. 

This video shows how I reacted within 6 hours of taking the ssri and I was made to continue.

 

I am not able to forget that dreadful day and not forgive the doctor and my family who forced me to continue.

Of course the question? Why me?

It is a case of akathisia.

 

 

[virgo43]

Dear friends.

I am at 25mg zoloft.

Even at max dose I was never ever comfortable.  Never felt ok. 

Currently have zero energy hardly enough to take shower. 

Looking for a doctor who has experience in drug overdose and toxic chemical build up in brain. Neurologist maybe.

 

Just an update.

[mammaP]

On 13/09/2017 at 2:42 AM, virgo43 said:

I contacted the doctor who wrote the book "anti depressant trap" he is aware of my situation he recommends getting checked in a facility to be monitored

I can't find this book anywhere, is this the correct title? Who is the doctor who wrote it? I am interested in reading it. 

 

On 17/09/2017 at 1:08 PM, virgo43 said:

I have Ct brain scans with 9 months difference and there is increased calcification. It definitely built up somewhere and caused cns issues.

When did you have the scans Virgo?  Did they specify how much calcification there is?  Some calcification is normal. 

 

You need to STOP GOOGLING! Stop trying to diagnose yourself because you are driving yourself insane.  You will always find someone who is happy to diagnose you and try to get you to go to a hospital or detox facility. There are people out there who are sharing silly things like which food or drink contains pure poison. If you research you find that some are just scaremongering.  Most people do not understand drug reactions and withdrawal. There are 2 main types. One type of person does not accept any of it and believes we are just insane and need to be locked up.  The second type diagnose all kinds of awful diseases and suggest hospitals or strange cures. Doctors can fall into either category and sometimes order all kinds of tests but still do not believe the drug reaction or withdrawal.  

 

You HAVE to stop frightening yourself. Upregulators, downregulators, serotonin, gaba, on and on it goes round and round in circles. You do remarkably well at researching the scary stuff which tells me that your brain is functioning. You have clarity for things that interest you and that would be good if you were putting it to good use instead of just frightening yourself. 

 

My daughter was nervous sbout flying, so she thought she would feel better if she understood why planes crashed. Now she is TERRIFIED and will not go anywhere near an aeroplane. 

I have had cancer, I researched the bad stuff and found out the symptoms, and what course it would take. Then I researched the positive stuff and how many people survived. I decided that I was going to be in the survival numbers.  My husband had cancer and went for surgery. He was told there was a 5% failure rate and was so scared. I pointed out that this meant a 95% SUCCESS rate.  When he got that into his mind he was not scared. 

 

You need to do the same and look at the people who have got through it, and those of us who are still going through it and supporting each other. It's a long, long journey we are all on, navigating the waves on just a little surfboard. A surfer doesn't have anyone to hold his hand, he has to balance that board by himself. We are all balancing our own boards and riding pur waves. Some are near the shore and others near the start line.    Make your mind up that you are going to ride this and come out the other side stronger than you have even been and then you can help others. 

[virgo43]

The doctor he is Turkish citizen. The name of his book is "antidepressan tuzagi" Mutluhan Izmir.

Unfortunately he doesn't know much about tapering he asked me to use other drugs in replacement of the original one. 

 

Thanks for the long inspiring letter. The  neurologist and endocrinologist have seen my blood results and ct scans and listened to my symptoms. 

 

The scans are from September 16 and June 17 and there is clear marked calcification difference. 

There is research online that if pineal glands get over calcified it can lead to serious issues. 

Obvious calcification in frontal lobe. 

 

http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/pinealstory.htm

 

 

[virgo43]

He is the leading  expert in this field. Much more knowledgeable and a great asset to the nation. 

Read his book many times over and over. Amazing amount of info but very easy to follow. 

 

[virgo43]

It is an open forum and in front of everyone I sincerely apologize from all of u bc of my careless words. I am very sorry very sorry. Totally unintentional. I have these daily episodes and very scary test results. Please forgive me. It is not my intention to hurt anyone. Lost everything within a matter of months. All bc of a lentil size pill and negligence of doctors and family. 

 

This is not an excuse just an explanation. Once again. My judgement is impaired hanging on by a thread. 

 

Sincerely. With all my heart I am very sorry. 

 

[Altostrata]

Virgo, I am very sorry to say that we probably can't help you here. This is just an Internet forum. As we've explained many times, it can take a long time to recover from a severe adverse drug reaction. You need to remain calm and take care of yourself.

 

Please stop sending messages to me and the moderators. Please seek help in person for your persistent worries.

[virgo43]

Dear moderators.

This is an amazing site for tapering help and for non drug techniques. For emotional support.

Also for great research related to psychiatric meds and effects.

I apologise for my worrisome attitude.

It is not persistent worry it is persistent debilitating pain even at 25mg. Still after so many months haven't stabilized at all. Have no clue what to do next. 

My persistent pain is preventing me from remaining calm. Almost always I get daily attacks. 

Honestly except the moderators here there is nowhere to go to for me.  Possibly my condition is a bit more difficult or challenging then the rest. Agreed. Will remain calm from now on. 

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

Antidepressants can cause TME

Metabolic encephalopathy may also occur as a result of various toxic agents such as alcohol, sedatives (barbiturates, narcotics), psychiatric agents (tricyclic antidepressants, anticholinergics, phenothiazines), heavy metal poisoning, organic phosphates, and other drugs (anticonvulsants, corticosteroids, penicillin, etc.).[9],[10],[11],[12]
http://www.neurologyindia.com/article.asp?issn=0028-3886;year=2017;volume=65;issue=1;spage=123;epage=128;aulast=Berisavac;type=3