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I am having some fairly serious problems with heart palpitations. After doing some research, I've increased my magnesium to 300mg per day, in 3 divided doses.I'm sensitive to magnesium, I've very gradually increased my dosage from 75mg at a time.It seems taurine might be good for palpitations, too, so perhaps magnesium taurate might be the best form for this symptom. I have some on order, will report back.

I am not sure if this is at all helpful and tho I did the research on taurine before I took any... I can`t recall it now.  I became interested in taurine for head aches as the health food store (where I leave all my money and promptly put the bottle in the cupboard never to be touched again as I react to everything) suggested it as a treatment for migraines. 

It was not a miracle for migraines but I did notice taurine had a calming effect turned down my nervous system a notch or two... and if perfect for taking the edge off when you have had a bit too much coffee. 

I am not sure if it may be helpful for heart rate or not, but it did slow things down for me I have had heart palpitations and now that you have given me this idea I will try the taurine next time it happens and let you know the effect if any.  

PS when I take taurine or any other medication other than antibiotics I take only a very small amount... taurine for me starts at one sixth and I work my way up... generally I get the calming effect at a quarter or half... but I have also taken the entire capsule with no ill effects.... that in no way means I trust it... as I have had plenty of supplements bite me after I had learned to trust them.  Translation after a few days or a few wks taking a supplement the effects change like I can only tolerate for a certain time.  

I think this is because I sit here and search for a word that will not come...

 

ok will try to explain it... 

the effect of taking a supplement has started a process in the body... the body changes how it behaves due to the supplement... because of this change you need less or can tolerate less....

 

rebound may be the word `) my cue to sleep.

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Altostrata

Thanks, btdt.

 

After a little research, I found mag taurate doesn't supplement taurine effectively, and I switched to the better-absorbed mag glycinate for magnesium supplementation.

 

Have not tried taurine yet.

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I am having some fairly serious problems with heart palpitations. After doing some research, I've increased my magnesium to 300mg per day, in 3 divided doses.I'm sensitive to magnesium, I've very gradually increased my dosage from 75mg at a time.It seems taurine might be good for palpitations, too, so perhaps magnesium taurate might be the best form for this symptom. I have some on order, will report back.

I am not sure if this is at all helpful and tho I did the research on taurine before I took any... I can`t recall it now.  I became interested in taurine for head aches as the health food store (where I leave all my money and promptly put the bottle in the cupboard never to be touched again as I react to everything) suggested it as a treatment for migraines. 

It was not a miracle for migraines but I did notice taurine had a calming effect turned down my nervous system a notch or two... and if perfect for taking the edge off when you have had a bit too much coffee. 

I am not sure if it may be helpful for heart rate or not, but it did slow things down for me I have had heart palpitations and now that you have given me this idea I will try the taurine next time it happens and let you know the effect if any.  

PS when I take taurine or any other medication other than antibiotics I take only a very small amount... taurine for me starts at one sixth and I work my way up... generally I get the calming effect at a quarter or half... but I have also taken the entire capsule with no ill effects.... that in no way means I trust it... as I have had plenty of supplements bite me after I had learned to trust them.  Translation after a few days or a few wks taking a supplement the effects change like I can only tolerate for a certain time.  

I think this is because I sit here and search for a word that will not come...

 

ok will try to explain it... 

the effect of taking a supplement has started a process in the body... the body changes how it behaves due to the supplement... because of this change you need less or can tolerate less....

 

rebound may be the word `) my cue to sleep.

 

 

Thanks, btdt.

 

After a little research, I found mag taurate doesn't supplement taurine effectively, and I switched to the better-absorbed mag glycinate for magnesium supplementation.

 

Have not tried taurine yet.

I am now using your old technique of adding half a 500mg capsule to water... and sipping it very slowly as I don't want too much just enough.  Works on the recent recurring heart palpitations too.  When I first start it I find it give me a surge of heat... like a hot flash but many things do and it may be just me.  Or long long long lasting recurring menopause symptoms.  I should look it up again and will do that when my brain is back to digesting information just now it balks and stalls makes me frustrated and even more anxious so it is not worth the bother. 

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Magnesium's effects on me are potent. 25mg produces a drunk-like, slouching state of stupor/listlessness sometimes accompanied by muscle cramping. I wonder if it would be beneficial to use very small doses to reacquire a tolerance.

I see this was posted in 2011 (which is a bit while ago) and I haven't read all the posts here but just looked at the box of my magnesium. natural wealth supplement , water soluble (produces an orange tasting fizzy drink), says magnesium carbonate 375 mg (!), plus vitamins B1, B6  and C (because it is primarily for cardiac health).

 

I haven't noticed correlation between taking that magnesium and my anxiety levels so am I taking the wrong kind? my stomach feels fine and I don't have any side effects either. But how to explain this discrepany between the dosages you mention and the one I'm taking???

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Altostrata

If you feel fine after taking that supplement, don't worry about it.

 

You may wish to gradually add more magnesium in the citrate or glycinate form, perhaps 25mg at a time.

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If you feel fine after taking that supplement, don't worry about it.

 

You may wish to gradually add more magnesium in the citrate or glycinate form, perhaps 25mg at a time.

I can't say I noticed it has any effect on my anxiety levels so once I've used up this package, I'll buy the citrate or glycinate form and try taking it in more doses throught the day as somebody suggested here. 

 

but as you so wisely wrote somewhere else, it could be I'm overdoing it with supplements so can't really tell what is working and what is not. I took down some notes while reading the posts and will assess my use of Omega 3 (check the dosage of EPA and DHA, add vitamin E) and magnesium. Vitamin 12 has been on my shopping list as well but after what I have read here, I'm not sure if I should start taking that as well...

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Altostrata

Some people find the B vitamins, including B12, to be too activating. However, if you are not having a problem with your current supplement, I would continue to take it. B vitamins are helpful to healing, if you can tolerate them.

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ladybug

Has anyone had any negative reactions to Magnesium Glycinate? A few years ago I went through a severe bout of insomnia and soon afterward I developed very bad hypnic jerks every single night. They were very strong and relentless, every single time I was about to fall asleep I violently jerked awake. I finally resorted to taking very small doses of xanax to be able to get any sleep at all. I also began taking Magnesium Glycinate which helped to relax my muscles and helped the jerks...at first. Thankfully, I was able to stop the Xanax. The jerks very slowly improved but never went away, and some nights they would return in their relentlessness.

 

I spoke to another person in WD who said Magnesium Glycinate made her worse but I never thought that could be the case with me. Well long story short, when I was in a good window of no jerks I decided to stop the Magnesium as I had been having stomach upset. I had also recently had my Magnesium levels tested and they were on the highest side of the normal range. So I stopped the Magnesium and my jerkless window seemed to go on and on, whereas they would usually return. So I didn't restart the Magnesium once my stomach improved. Before I stopped the Magnesium my jerks had improved by about 65%, once I stopped they improved by at least 90%. Before I stopped I had gradually worked my way up to taking 300mg a night.

 

I am also deficient in Vitamin D, but seem very sensitive to those supplements and I have read that if you have side effects from Vitamin D it is most likely due to a Magnesium Deficiency. I would really like to start taking Magnesium again, and the only form my stomach can tolerate is Glycinate. However, I am also wary of my jerks getting worse, as I still do get them, just not as severe at they were. Ok, well, so much for long story short lol. Am I the only one who seemed to bie sensitive to Magnesium Glycinate? My theory is that it relaxed me TOO much and that signaled my body to jerk awake. From what I have read hypnic jerks can be caused by your body misinterpreting your sudden relaxation as falling or dying so it alerts you to wake up. I have also read that hypnic jerks have been thought to have something to do miscommunication involving not only dopamine receptors, but glycine receptors as well and I wondered if it was the glycine that was problematic. At this time I was also taking Iron Bisglycinate so it could have been that the two together was too much glycine for my system.

 

Any thoughts?

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Altostrata

I would take a lower dose of magnesium, maybe 50mg or 100mg.

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SigmundFreud

i tried mag citrate yesterday and only this morning i realized how it helped. i wasnt expecting anything because i was already taking cal/mag/zinc formula so its not placebo. i now recall i had more motivation to research and to have a walk yesterday. my depression/anhedonia/demotivation symptoms improved. and this morning i woke up at 3am with the usual morning cortisol anxiety and i put like 100mg mag citrate in water and again i wasnt expecting much but i didnt even notice that the anxiety/RLS was relieved! in just a few minutes. this is wonderful! im really glad i found this forum. i hope you all are doing well in your recovery.. love and compassion..

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moodyblues78

I found this from livestrong.com:

 

Fish Oil and Magnesium Interactions

As fish oil lowers your triglycerides and begins to clear out your arteries, your blood pressure will decrease. As magnesium takes effect, your arteries will relax and open up, also decreasing your blood pressure. It is possible that combining the two supplements can lower your blood pressure too much. This can produce dizziness, lightheadedness, fainting, tiredness and even mental confusion if not enough blood reaches your brain. For this reason, ask your physician about the possibilities of interactions between fish oil and magnesium supplements before you use them together. Combine them only with your doctor’s permission.

 

Any thoughts? Many of us take these both.

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Altostrata

No one has ever reported that effect here.

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EternalOptimst

MB, by combining fish oil and mag, do u mean in a day or taken at the same time?

Thnx

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Steelhead

I figured I would give the magnesium a try last night. The lowest dose I could find was 250 mg. I broke it in half so I took apprx. 125mg. This magnesium is mag oxide. At work I had several bouts of muscle twitching in my back. For me muscle twitching has never been an issue. I also had several scary painful spikes of pain in my left chest; also very unusual. Also at the end of the day I had visual issues in my left eye. Not so strange for me.

I looked at my multi vitamin I take twice daily and I saw that it actually has 125mg of mag oxide in each tablet?

Does any of this sound out of line enough to cause these issues? I will not be taking any mag tonight.

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Altostrata

Mag oxide is not very well absorbed. My guess is your symptoms are due to something else.

 

If you can't get mag glycinate, get mag citrate. If you can't get either, try a bath in Epsom salts (mag sulfate).

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JanCarol

I did an experiment with magnesium bath.

 

Magnesium chloride crystals - 1 cup - 20 min soak - was almost sedating, very relaxing, very calming, very "all is well with the world."  It is excellent to know I have that tool up my sleeve.  (for the heck of it, I found Magnesium Chloride at a new age massage place less than 1k from where I live!  So remember to look in spas and alternative wellness huts!  It is top quality, and they have a gel, too.)

 

Magnesium Sulfate (Epsom Salts) - 1 cup - 20 min soak - was mildly relaxing, felt good on the muscles, but didn't feel like it affected emotion much at all.  I was glad I took the bath, but it didn't feel nearly like the "secret weapon" the magnesium chloride is.  I think the effects of the Epsom Salts were not as long acting, either.

 

Currently having to rotate between magnesium maleate (found it at a bodybuilding supplement shop) and magnesium citrate (found at a health food store, but can get too loose in the bowel) until my magnesium orotate comes in.  I take 2 x 200 mg, morning and evening.  I had been taking oxide for headaches with little to no effect - I have had fewer headaches upon starting the citrate and maleate.  No change in emotional output or anxiety - unless I would take a mag chloride bath!

 

Thank you all so much for the magnesium education.  It is so important in so many ways, and anything that helps withdrawal . . . . 

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DrugSlave

I did read the first page.  :unsure: 

I read that a couple people like taking it at night to relax. I just read the second page too. I don't see anything about how long it takes to kick in...though one person said it did alot for them in a short time. The last 3 previous days this week I have felt really crappy....even worse than normal. Today I felt significantly better. Could 25mg of mag citrate work that fast? It could be that I stopped taking Maca which is supposed to boost energy. I took it for 2 or 3 days a few days ago. I read today that it can be a stimulant and interrupt sleep. Maybe that is why I felt worse. It could be that it's out of my system now.

 

Anyway, took 50mg of mag citrate in water today.

 

thanks

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Altostrata

You could probably take 50mg at least 3 times a day.

 

Yes, it could be the maca was stimulating.

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JanCarol

So the Magnesium Chloride gel, I've been using it a lot too, and giving it to hubby for his aches and pains.  He likes it better than "medicinal" topical (i.e., eucalyptus, tiger balm, menthol, arnica based creams) because it has no odor.  The bottle says that if I put it all over my body, it will give me 300mg of absorbed magnesium.  But I just use it on the hurty parts (like my knee, and on my face when I have a headache) and sometimes when I'm feeling stretched I have hubby rub it on my spine, from neck to tailbone - very soothing!  Rubbing it on my face for headaches is good, better than any other topical I've tried, like tiger balm or lavender.  If only I could rub it on my own spine!  I was thinking that as I climbed into bed last night.

 

The brand is Secret Squirrel, I think it is out of Tasmania (for all us Aussie sorts).  Ironic, since there are no squirrels in Australia!  But anyhow, when compared to Epsom Salts, it's only slightly more expensive: Magnesium Chloride $16.50/kilo compared to (cheapest I could find here) Epsom Salts $13.33/kilo.  Epsom Salts here is not the cheap bargain it is in the USA!  I may stock up next time I go!  I'm wondering if there's a chemical supply place where I can buy it by 10 kilo lots or something....

 

But after finding the Secret Squirrel Mag Chloride, I'm less enchanted with the Epsom Salts.  Secret Squirrel also has an oil, which my local place is always out of (popular product), that I look forward to trying.

 

If you read this guy:  http://george-eby-research.com/html/depression-anxiety.html and while I don't buy everything he says (like cats and schizophrenia), he has a lot of excellent things to say about what blocks magnesium, what aids magnesium, and the myriads of conditions that magnesium can improve.  His opinion about "mental illness" is it's industrial food, dietary, and a huge gap of understanding due to greed in the medical industry.  On that, I can agree.  He's got a bit of Mad Pride going, so even when I don't agree, his views are worth considering.

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Altostrata

Thanks for all those magnesium tips, JC. Good to hear it works so well for you.

 

Epsom salts are mag sulfate, you might be able to find it more cheaply under that name.

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DrugSlave

The magnesium experiment is not going well so far. After I applied the gel full body, I had some reactions. I felt a tingling sensation on my skin immediately afterwards. An hour later I felt really tired and went for a nap (which isn't unusual for me but I think the mag contributed to it). Several hours later I developed a headache that lasted well into the next day. I didn't take any mag the next day on Sunday and felt pretty good on Monday. I started at lower amounts of mag citrate and just put the gel on my chest. I was fine the next day. Then I upped the mag citrate to two doses of 75mg and put gel on my chest and belly and felt fine again. Next day I took approx 110mg of mag citrate in the morning and a 150mg capsule of mag citrate before bed and I put the gel on my whole upper body. I woke up to pee in the morning with the weirdest sensation in both ears. They were super sensitive. They were buzzing, not like tinnitus....a really weird, uncomfortable sensation. I woke up a few hours later and the ears were ok, but now I feel super tired and feel unwell.

 

For the mag citrate capsules, I updosed over a week from 25mg to a full 150mg capsule last night. No stomach issues.

 

I know mag takes a bit to get used to but I'm pretty discouraged. I'm not sure if I will try it anymore...

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Altostrata

You took too much, internally and on the skin. Take less.

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Marie

I have been wondering about a particular magnesium product as it's touted constantly on another website as being the very best one to get, and many of the members apparently agree with that.

The product is Doctors Best High Absorption 100% chelated magnesium. Without being a chemist or anything of the sort, my understanding is that the magnesium is bound to two amino acids, lysine and glycine, which makes the absorption process "more certain" as the magnesium is pulled through the intestinal tract and absorbed along with the two proteins.

So with RDA for magnesium being about 400 mgs for adults, each tablet supplies 200 mgs, so two tablets supplies the 400 mgs.

My question and concern arise from the fact that each 200 mg is derived from 2,000 mg of elemental magnesium, so with each tablet of 200 mg being absorbed comes 1,800 mgs of elemental magnesium that must be processed out of the system. And 200 mg is 50% of the RDA.

Somehow, to me, 1,800 mg of unusable magnesium (or 3,600 mgs if taking the RDA) seems like a huge amount for the body to eliminate under the best of circumstances in terms of health.

Am I missing something here in terms of the risk/benefit ratio?

Marie

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Altostrata

As I understand it, the chelates, ex. magnesium glycinate, are better absorbed. I think it's because they're bound to amino acids, but don't quote me on that. The products that utilize the Albion process for chelation are the most reliable in quality.

 

As for that particular product, they're tooting their own horn, obviously.

 

Much of the elemental magnesium is not absorbed.

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Marie

Thanks, Alto.

 

That was quick on your part. I literally went to my computer to correct my names spelling and there your answer was.

 

I don't think the elemental magnesium is absorbed either.

 

I just wondered if all that extra magnesium is possibly "dangerous" for some people to process out.

 

It's just about 5 times more elemental magnesium than any other magnesium product generally has to be eliminated after any absorption takes place.

 

Marie

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Altostrata

I haven't seen any reports of problems.

 

Remember, we evolved to eat a certain amount of dirt ...uh...I mean minerals... with our food. Our bodies do a good job of excreting stuff we can't digest.

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Jemima

I have been wondering about a particular magnesium product as it's touted constantly on another website as being the very best one to get, and many of the members apparently agree with that.

 

The product is Doctors Best High Absorption 100% chelated magnesium. Without being a chemist or anything of the sort, my understanding is that the magnesium is bound to two amino acids, lysine and glycine, which makes the absorption process "more certain" as the magnesium is pulled through the intestinal tract and absorbed along with the two proteins.

 

So with RDA for magnesium being about 400 mgs for adults, each tablet supplies 200 mgs, so two tablets supplies the 400 mgs.

 

My question and concern arise from the fact that each 200 mg is derived from 2,000 mg of elemental magnesium, so with each tablet of 200 mg being absorbed comes 1,800 mgs of elemental magnesium that must be processed out of the system. And 200 mg is 50% of the RDA.

 

Somehow, to me, 1,800 mg of unusable magnesium (or 3,600 mgs if taking the RDA) seems like a huge amount for the body to eliminate under the best of circumstances in terms of health.

 

Am I missing something here in terms of the risk/benefit ratio?

 

Marie

 

Actually, you have to take four caplets of Doctor's Best chelated magnesium to get the 400 mg. "Daily Value", two doses of two caplets a day.  I just bought the product because I've had trouble with every other kind I've tried.  I've been trying to get past 100 mg. of magnesium and make it to the DV level for over a year, but I just can't do it.  In fact, I think the dosage I've been taking has actually kept me at a sort of sub-clinical level of illness. When I realized what was going on I quit taking magnesium and I'm feeling better and better.  I'm going to try one more time with the Doctor's Best brand, and if I can only handle one or two hundred mg., so be it.  If I can't handle it at all, I'll just have to do my best to get magnesium from food.

 

I don't mean to turn anyone off to trying magnesium.  Lots of people find it quite beneficial. I often have odd reactions to medications and supplements, so don't decide whether or not to take it based on my experience.  I mean, how many people get suicidally depressed on tetracycline?  Well, I do.

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Nikki

Jemima

 

There are certain drugs that make me lose my mind and that is Cipro and Levaquin.  The only magnesium product that ever helped me was magnesium citrate which was in a powder which i mixed with ice tea.  It did stop anxiety but I was always running to the bathroom.

 

I have spent tons of money on supplements and I think (for me) Vit c is good, so is fish oil or flaxseed oil.  i can tolerate a multi by Kal.  There is such sensitivity after taking AD's.....so you aren't alone.....

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compsports

Well, I may be another one of those folks who can't tolerate magnesium.   I had decided to increase it to help with my blood pressure and sleep.   Perhaps I increased too quickly as in the morning I took a cal/mag that had 250mg mag and at noon, a mag that had 200mg.

 

The benefits were I was more functional, including being able to drive places safely with full alertness and it seemed to be helping my blood pressure and junk food cravings..   I also felt my memory was better.

 

But last night, after waking up after an hour of sleep, I felt like I was on a caffeine high even though I had consumed my lowest amount in months in the morning.   I had a horrible time getting back to sleep.

 

I am beyond frustrated to the point of tears.

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Altostrata

For the longest time, I could tolerate only 50mg magnesium at a time (back then, it was magnesium citrate).

 

If you take mag with calcium, the calcium cancels out the calming effects of the mag.

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compsports

Even though I took the mag/glycinate at lunch separate from the morning stuff,  I still cancelled out the calming effects?

 

I probably need to start slow also.  

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Altostrata

The cal/mag supplements cancels out the calming effect of the mag.

 

You might just have suffered a blip that wasn't the mag's fault.

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bobcat

This is interesting. I seem to be pretty sensitive to fish oil (makes my jittery and hyper), but I can take 350mg of magnesium a day ( in two doses, powdered drink form) with no bad side effects. I guess it just goes to show that everyone's different.

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compsports

Hi Bobcat,

 

And so far, I seem to have no problems with fish oil but if I take a small amount of magnesium as I didn today with 50mg, I react to it with heart palpatations.  And I took it by itself.

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DrugSlave

Magnesium doesn't work for me. Small doses does nothing. Higher doses makes me sick. I tried 25mg a day up to 300mg in one dose and everything in between.

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Jemima

For those of you who take a calcium channel blocker blood pressure medication, I want to let it be known that the combination of that and the Daily Value (and less) of magnesiium prolonged my recovery from antidepressants.  While it didn't seem to cause any harm at first, as I got better an undefineable something was still wrong--I  was chronically tired and no matter how much sleep I got, I never felt rested.

 

As in everything, this may not be true for anyone but myself.  I just wanted people to know that this combination of two calcium channel blockers may have unpleasant effects.

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