street129: hi

[street129]

@brassmonkeythank you I felt overwhelmed this morning with a little anxiety, so I saw an appointing  dr. today, My Dr was only seeing people with corona, I asked for a little something for my anxiety, 

He prescribe hydroxyzine hcl. I will not take it until I goggle it, is this save for anxitey, I know you're not a doctor, but Mann ain't you wise.

You seem to Know so much that I will first listen to you than the Dr pertaining to this.  they really don't know, I'm glad I found you guys.

I told him I'm tapering. my trazodone, he wanted to know why I want to get off,  ''WHAT''! I was speechless.

 

I'm going look up this pill.

I'm not freaking out like I did back when I joined the board and was trying to taper, what I feel then of whatever  I felt the first time around, this time  I'm good, dealing with it.

[street129]

@Frogie hi my friend  I take 3mg, but I had in pass, they really don't work, have you ever heard of CBD gummies bears, that does a lot, and or sleep I'm gonna call the company

I bought some a month ago, I haven't taken any until I inquire.

Their page is edenherbal.

[Frogie]

2 hours ago, brassmonkey said:

Hi Street-- I'm sorry I missed seeing your request and you're feeling ignored.  Frogie is doing an excellent job of helping with your new taper. Feeling some symptoms the next day is quite common and it sounds like they are quite manageable.

 

Having a few nights of poor sleep is pretty common too. Many people let the fact that they have a bad night really upset them and that spirals causing even more sleeplessness. A small dose of melatonin might help. It can help get you to sleep, but not keep you asleep. Other OTC sleep aids don't seem to do much for people in ADWD and can cause more problems if used for too long. I have found it best to just try and relax and ride it out.

 

It can be hard to tell allergies from a cold. A cold will leave you feeling more "dragged out" and often has a fever and sore throat. While allergies is more about sneezing, runny nose, itchy eyes. You could try a small dose of OTC allergy medication, but many members report having problems with them.  Cleaning your sinuses with saline spray can help.  

@brassmonkey

 

Wasn’t sure about the allergy meds, I just ride mine out.

 

And the melatonin, I know I was told more is not better.

 

I really appreciate the help!

 

Thanks!!!

Frogie xx

[Frogie]

47 minutes ago, street129 said:

@Frogie hi my friend  I take 3mg, but I had in pass, they really don't work, have you ever heard of CBD gummies bears, that does a lot, and or sleep I'm gonna call the company

I bought some a month ago, I haven't taken any until I inquire.

Their page is edenherbal.

I have heard of CBD gummies, but I’m hesitant about taking anything like that.  I do know people that take it for pain.

 

Like Brassmonkey said, you’re going to have some sleepless nights, but just hang in there. Your body will adjust. I have some sleeplessness nights myself.

 

 I think you’re doing wonderful for 2 days.

 

Take care,

 Frogie xx

[street129]

@Frogie

Oh frogie looky, looky  I fell asleep just now,  but it was like just a minute tho.Better than nothing. If I continue to feel ok during the first 10 pills. I can make  another 10 pill  for the 2nd week same messurements of 0.507

 

Yes I was told a long time ago with melatonin less work better.  If I try to use it back to back it will not work.

have a good night.

[brassmonkey]

When I was having sleep problems I adopted a "when ever, where ever" attitude.  If I was watching tv in the evening and felt sleepy i'd just lay back in the recliner and off I'd go.  If I had tried to gt up and go to bed, I would have been wide awake by the time I laid down. Catching sleep in little snippets when my body called for it worked a lot better than trying to force it to a set schedule. 

[Frogie]

10 hours ago, street129 said:

@Frogie

Oh frogie looky, looky  I fell asleep just now,  but it was like just a minute tho.Better than nothing. If I continue to feel ok during the first 10 pills. I can make  another 10 pill  for the 2nd week same messurements of 0.507

 

Yes I was told a long time ago with melatonin less work better.  If I try to use it back to back it will not work.

have a good night.

That’s great you were able to rest, even just a little. Like Brassmonkey said, just rest or sleep whenever you can. I have lots of sleepless nights because of this wd. It will get better.

 

 I would only try a small amount of melatonin if you feel you need it.

 

 If everything goes well, yes you can make up another round of pills with 0.507 mg.

 

Sounds like you’re not doing too bad. That’s great!

 

Take care,

 Frogie xx

[street129]

@frogie, i took a small piece of my 3mg melatonin last night Tuesday 6/16/2020, around 10;30pm,  i  was a little sleepy took my trazodone 0.507mg. at the right time for bed and I slept.

 Hopefully all goes well with the first 10pills,  and there's no  hiccups along the way.

Wokeup  with a slight headache, but as I moved around it went away, I have a little heat in my back, and I remember those from when I first tried to WD on my taper back in 2017, so I'm not to worried, I just want off this drug for good. Thanks baby girl.

Have a bless day.

[Frogie]

Just now, street129 said:

@frogie, i took a 3mg melatonin last night Tuesday 6/16/2020, around 10;30pm i  was a little sleepy took my trazodone 0.507mgat the 4ight time for bed and I slept.
 
Wokeup  with a slight headache, but as I moved around it went away, I have a little heat in my back, and I remember those from when I first tried to WD on my taper back in 2017, so I'm not to worried, I just want off this drug for good. Thanks baby girl.

Have a bless day.

You slept.

 

You’re doing great it sounds like.

[street129]

@brassmonkey I listened to what you said about others with their  sleeping issue and I let my thoughts shift, and the next thing I knew I was asleep, but it was very short, but it worked when you don't make it an issue,  I thank you for that wise suggestion,  Things are moving along, a flow of heat in my back, but I remember those when I tried tapering when I had tried tapering in 2017, I was freaking out then, but now 2020 with my taper I'm taking it in stride. I'm not focusing on any of my wd, I'm dealing with day by days, my mission is to get this drug out my life forever, I'm divorcing my drug, trazodone, he's not a nice husband. LOL

[street129]

@Frogie yes I slept, it was needed, I have to see what happens tonight, I know if I take a smaller pieces of the melatonin would I sleep. I will do such to see if I will...Fingers cross.  

 

[Frogie]

1 minute ago, street129 said:

@Frogie yes I slept, it was needed, I have to see what happens tonight, I know if I take a smaller pieces of the melatonin would I sleep. I will do such to see if I will...Fingers cross.  

 

I take around 0.25 melatonin and find that is enough. 
 

That is great that you are not letting your taper get the best of you. 
 

Fantastic news 😊

[brassmonkey]

I'm glad it helped. Keep practicing and it will get easier.

[Frogie]

How are you doing? 
 

Just checking in.

 

No news is good news, I hope😊

 

Take care,

 Frogie xx

[street129]

@Frogie  The heat in my back has died down, I believe it's comes on more at night when I'm sleeping,  I will see if I get it tonight, I woke at 4am, last night,  I took a very small melatonin and fell back to sleep, another WD that I'm noticing I've been getting is vivid dreams. Woo

[street129]

@brassmonkey  I will keep at it. Thanks brassmonkey

I'm noticing as I started my taper I'm experiencing vivid dreams and a strong heat of wave in my back that settledown and bearable as the day goes on,

 

I did had heat when I did tried to taper in 2017, but the vivid dreams are new . WOOO

[Frogie]

5 hours ago, street129 said:

@Frogie  The heat in my back has died down, I believe it's comes on more at night when I'm sleeping,  I will see if I get it tonight, I woke at 4am, last night,  I took a very small melatonin and fell back to sleep, another WD that I'm noticing I've been getting is vivid dreams. Woo

Sounds like you are going to be able to withstand the wd symptoms this time.

 

Great news, you’re doing well!

[street129]

@brassmonkey

 I think I need to go back to the original 5% I wanted to do when we discussed my taper in 2019,

I still have my capsule  At 563mg  I need to do a 5% instead of the 10% that frogie started  helping me with. It's 5 days into my 10% taper

I'm having terrible unbearable flush of heat in my back at nite that wakes me up and blurry vision  and shakiness,  tapering as I'm reading posts seems to have been some changes in how many weeks people is tapering,   at 5%, is it now a month on the first taper?
I still have the 3rd and 4th already made from before. I just need support like everyone is getting, I live alone, my English is not the best I'm caribbean. 
 

Is this still stand to follow:  this is  5%

Week one: 570 X .9875 = 563 This is the weight of your first weeks dose.  The display on the scale will show 0.563.]

Is this rightsame calculations but will use 542 instead of 570.

Week one: 542 X .9875 = 535

Week two 542 X .975 = 529

Week three 542 X .962 = 522

Weeks four through six 542 X .95 = 515

[Frogie]

Hi street 

 

You need to take the original weight of 0.564 mg and take 5% off that.

 

You will weigh out 0.536. Maybe just make up 7 days worth.

 

You can open the capsules you’ve already filled and reuse that powder.

 

Does that made sense?

 

 

Edited June 20, 2020 by Frogie

[street129]

I Wanted to decreased my mg from 507mg  but was recommended to stay there for the next 3 weeks, before I do any decreasing.

 

Sleep was not the best, but I'll take what I got, I'm a right-side sleeper,  but I'm getting flush of heat in back, so last night I slept on my back. I didn't get the flushing of heat,  right now it's bearable.

[Frogie]

1 hour ago, street129 said:

I Wanted to decreased my mg from 507mg  but was recommended to stay there for the next 3 weeks, before I do any decreasing.

 

Sleep was not the best, but I'll take what I got, I'm a right-side sleeper,  but I'm getting flush of heat in back, so last night I slept on my back. I didn't get the flushing of heat,  right now it's bearable.

Brassmonkey knows what he is talking about. If he wants you to hold, then it is to stabilize on that dosage and see how you do.

 

Let me know how you’re doing later.

 

Take care,

 Frogie xx

[brassmonkey]

Hi Street-- I posted this in you PM but want to have a record of it here so it's easier to find.

 

"If you are already taking 507 then yes. Continue there for  2-3 weeks and the go to 502 and continue following the plan I sent you earlier. Before you go down to 502 we need to see how you are feeling though, to make sure things are stable."

[street129]

 I gotcha brassmonkey.

I will continuing on 507, I'm not stable pushing through.

[Frogie]

6 minutes ago, street129 said:

 I gotcha brassmonkey.

I will continuing on 507, I'm not stable pushing through.

You’ve got this 😊

[Frogie]

Hi:

 

Just thought I’d check in and see how you’re doing.

 

I hope you’re feeling better.

 

Take care,

 Frogie xx

[street129]

Hi frogie 

I took the new brand melatonin 5mg which I cut in half  big mistake it didn't work to my benefit,  not much sleep on this, not taking it anymore, I will go back to the other melatonin.

I got little sleep last night, felt a medium heat,  still burred vison, and need sleep,  When I'm feeling a little good I want to continue going forth at 10%, but when I feel crappy, I want to do 5%. I'm in conflict and don't know,   Today a little headache from not much sleep last night woke @4am,  I feel back for about 1 hrs, but my eyes. are heavy, muscle pain in my thights are  miniman. I'm pulling through going forth, and not thinking about WDs.

 

 

[Frogie]

1 minute ago, street129 said:

Hi frogie 

I took the new brand melatonin 5mg which I cut in half  big mistake it didn't work to my benefit,  not much sleep on this, not taking it anymore, I will go back to the other melatonin.

I got little sleep last night, felt a medium heat,  still burred vison, and need sleep,  When I'm feeling a little good I want to continue going forth at 10%, but when I feel crappy, I want to do 5%. I'm in conflict and don't know,   Today a little headache from not much sleep last night woke @4am,  I feel back for about 1 hrs, but my eyes. are heavy, muscle pain in my thights are  miniman. I'm pulling through going forth, and not thinking about WDs.

 

 

Sorry you are having those symptoms.

 

 I wouldn’t take that melatonin again either. If the old one works, go back to it.

 

Sounds like you are doing a little better despite having been sleep deprived.

 

Hang n there. 😊

 

Take care,

 Frogie xx

[Frogie]

Good morning:

 

Just thought I’d drop by and see how you are doing?

 

Hopefully a little better.

 

Take care,

 Frogie xx

[street129]

HI Frogie

 Taking a very small  mg of melatonin 2 1/2  hrs before taking my pill that I'm tapering, during middle of the night felt a flush of heat enough to wake me, but slept better than last night. A weaker day in the legs than yesterday, weird feeling but pushing through,

 

its now 1 week since starting my taper of trazodone 250mg, my first taper week 6/14/20 at 507, 

2ND week doing the same amount of taper 507.

 

vision still blurred but not thinking about it., I wake still with fear  cause I live alone, could be anxiety.

Today is voting day, voting is taking place in my building, I already voted,  mail-in

 

say bless

[street129]

@Altostrata

I'm taking a very small amount of melatonin 2.5mg 2 hrs before taking my trazodone at night like a suggestions  you brought to my attention with my taper,

 

wondering if eventually going to 1mg of melatonin and eventually stopping  the melatonin or is this a two combination that I have to  comtinue. 

[Altostrata]

Could be your new melatonin is stronger than the old melatonin. 2.5mg melatonin is not a small amount, as little as 0.25mg can work. More isn't better when it comes to melatonin.

[Frogie]

19 hours ago, street129 said:

HI Frogie

 Taking a very small  mg of melatonin 2 1/2  hrs before taking my pill that I'm tapering, during middle of the night felt a flush of heat enough to wake me, but slept better than last night. A weaker day in the legs than yesterday, weird feeling but pushing through,

 

its now 1 week since starting my taper of trazodone 250mg, my first taper week 6/14/20 at 507, 

2ND week doing the same amount of taper 507.

 

vision still blurred but not thinking about it., I wake still with fear  cause I live alone, could be anxiety.

Today is voting day, voting is taking place in my building, I already voted,  mail-in

 

say bless

Sounds like you are doing a little better. I think you should stay on the .507 longer like Brassmonkey said. Sounds like your wd symptoms aren’t as bad as they were. It’s very normal to have wd symptoms though.

 

Taking too much melatonin is not good like Alto said. Maybe try .25 mg like she suggested. That might help your sleep better.

 

Hang in there you’re doing great!

[street129]

@Frogie

Last night I took 1.5mg melatonin, I took longer than usual to fall asleep, but eventually I do,  waking up less, pain in my muscles in my thights have lifted, vision still blur, no shaking at this time my heat in my body is mostly noticeable more during wee hours in the morning, I do feel the heat but is bearable during the day. I remember having heat when I tried tapering in 2017.

This 2nd week I'm feeling a little better than the 1st week,

 

I am willing to continue with YOUR method going forward.  The 10% We're  already here.

[Frogie]

9 hours ago, street129 said:

@Frogie

Last night I took 1.5mg melatonin, I took longer than usual to fall asleep, but eventually I do,  waking up less, pain in my muscles in my thights have lifted, vision still blur, no shaking at this time my heat in my body is mostly noticeable more during wee hours in the morning, I do feel the heat but is bearable during the day. I remember having heat when I tried tapering in 2017.

This 2nd week I'm feeling a little better than the 1st week,

 

I am willing to continue with YOUR method going forward.  The 10% We're  already here.

That’s great news!

 

Sounds like you are plugging right along and your symptoms are manageable.

 

I’ve been told that too much melatonin is not good. Maybe less is better

 

Glad to hear this.😊

 

We will just take it slow and steady.

 

Take care,

 Frogie xx

[street129]

It's 9:50am, I woke up @ 9:30am, there's much less heat this morning, and I didn't had noticeable heat in my body but I can feel it slightly, any upset, anxiety will flare it up.

I slept straight through,  tapering do has multiple WD all at once like you said frogie. It's so unpredictable that you can get WD at any given time and there's nothing you can do but try to be calm and understand it's gonna happen and ride it and and push through and keep in mind it's part of the tapering process.
Find any other thing to do and think less of what's going on when we get a symptom.

Stay safe

have a good weekend.

 

[street129]

6/28/20- Woke up at 8:48am with a little flushing heat this morning, I did increase the melatonin back to 2.5mg from 1.5mg since I can fall asleep faster on 2.5mg but I'm getting flushing heat in my back again

I will decrease the melatonin back to 1.5mg tonight, 6/28/20,  I have a 3mg  Melatonin that I cut in half, if I notice any flushing that will wake me up on 1.5mg, I will decrease it lower to help with the flushing heat in my back and I will see if it help.