street129: hi

[street129]

i still dont have better days, but i can sleep without my pill, but i  still take it when its time. for bed..

[Altostrata]

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sitting waiting for 1am

 

This doesn't make any sense. You want to train your natural sleep cycle to start earlier than 1 a.m.

 

You might even move the mirtazapine back to 10 p.m. and get into a much more natural rhythm. You may wake at 5 a.m. for a while. Your sleep cycle will normalize after a while.

 

Darkening your bedroom with blackout shades and blinds and using a sleep mask may assist you in sleeping past 5 a.m.

 

I believe that's all I can suggest about making your sleep better, the rest is up to you.

[street129]

22 hours ago, Altostrata said:

 

This doesn't make any sense. You want to train your natural sleep cycle to start earlier than 1 a.m.

 

You might even move the mirtazapine back to 10 p.m. and get into a much more natural rhythm. You may wake at 5 a.m. for a while. Your sleep cycle will normalize after a while.

 

Darkening your bedroom with blackout shades and blinds and using a sleep mask may assist you in sleeping past 5 a.m.

 

I believe that's all I can suggest about making your sleep better, the rest is up to you.

i did took my pill the other night at 12 45am, when i said 1 a.m i was talking laying in  bed and wait for 1 a.m , i stopped doing that, i was just letting you know how i was doing it.... last night i when up to 12am and fell asleep quickly  but also i woke at 4am  less than the 6 hours, but i will continue to take it before 1 am.

 

i also wants to do a detox, is there a link on detoxing i tried looking but i cant find any thread on this site...

theres a site in california that sells mr sebi products, the  site is sebi.com if you want to check it out. 

 

someone on here told me to used vicks and i am putting it on my chest and other places on my body like around my nose,  i am bringing up mucus nonstop that i didnt even know was in my system,  that is why i wanted to get the detox products from the site. its herbal and its quite pricey.  i dont know if it will have a bad affect on my trazadone... i will call the company in california later today, i know they are 3 hours behind new york time and i will get info. on anything dealing with mucus also.

[Altostrata]

We do not recommend detoxing. Please look in the Symptoms and Self-Care forum for our discussions about it.

[street129]

28 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

We do not recommend detoxing. Please look in the Symptoms and Self-Care forum for our discussions about it.

I found the liver detox forum and read it after doing a little digging....thanks I will not detox.

[street129]

my  biggest issue is my burning in my body..I don't know if next month if I should continue holding at 225mg if I still have burning or taper to my next taper of 202.5mg  anyone has any thought, I love hearing other peoples point of view on situations.

 

 

 

 

[Survivor1]

Hello Street,

 

I too am on trazodone, and have tapered in the past.  Earlier this year I had reduced from 62 mg to 51 and it took me 2.5 months to stabilize.  But I did stabilize.  Just keep holding until you do, it will happen.  You may want to reduce by a smaller percentage next time, perhaps 5%? That way you are gentler on your body.

 

All the best.

[street129]

2 hours ago, Survivor1 said:

Hello Street,

 

I too am on trazodone, and have tapered in the past.  Earlier this year I had reduced from 62 mg to 51 and it took me 2.5 months to stabilize.  But I did stabilize.  Just keep holding until you do, it will happen.  You may want to reduce by a smaller percentage next time, perhaps 5%? That way you are gentler on your body.

 

All the best.

i will hold.., i will need a new script for the 5 percent to go to my compound pharmacy ...can you tell me how you are doing your taper,,

 

im at 225mg right now, its nice taking to you bout trazodone..

[Survivor1]

I am pausing my trazodone for a while.  I am currently trying to stabilize after dropping mirtzepine, and will tackle seroquel next.  Trazodone will be my last taper - I expect it may be another year or so before I can start it.  In any case, I plan to reduce by 5% when it is time.  All the best to you.

[street129]

5 hours ago, Survivor1 said:

I am pausing my trazodone for a while.  I am currently trying to stabilize after dropping mirtzepine, and will tackle seroquel next.  Trazodone will be my last taper - I expect it may be another year or so before I can start it.  In any case, I plan to reduce by 5% when it is time.  All the best to you.

what do you mean by pausing, do you mean that you will hold at the 51mg that your on with trazodone  

[street129]

Can anyone tell me if doing the Neurofeedback is a waste of money. i had an consultant yesterday to do the Neurofeedback ... thanks in advance for  a reply.

[AliG]

Hi Street. In my opinion - yes, it is a waste of time and money and that's the universal opinion as far as I know.

 

How are you?

[street129]

16 minutes ago, AliG said:

Hi Street. In my opinion - yes, it is a waste of time and money and that's the universal opinion as far as I know.

 

How are you?

oh wow, and i asked my sister and daughter for a little finance to help me pay for this... can i find a link on here about people talking about it.. ..  i should have address it first here before i had gone to him.  the funny thing about the meeting was the man was talking about himself the whole time.

 

i have my first appt on nov 3rd. any link/info that you can gave me will help me to cancel my appointment immediately.... thanks for answering, i still have heat sensation in my skin. i have accepted that this is all about patience and going slow.. im longing for the day i can feel as myself. im hanging in there .. thanks for asking and i hope you are seeing and doing good.

 

 i now take my trazodone at 12am . im monitoring my heat sensation, i also want to reduced my dose once i stabalize to 5% instead of 10% 

[apace41]

WHOAAAAA!!

 

Not sure sure if I'm fully on board with AliG on this one.  Here is our thread on neurofeedback:

 

I've read some anecdotal stories of people who have used it to help them with their anxiety in withdrawal.  I'm not sure the jury is out on this one.

 

Do some research, Street.  Google "neurofeedback" and "psychiatric medication withdrawal" and see what you find.

 

Best,

 

Andy

 

 

[AliG]

Yes , Andy is right.

Edited October 28, 2017 by AliG

[apace41]

1 hour ago, AliG said:

Yes , Andy is right.

 

LOL.  There is no "right or wrong" here, Ali.  I think it can help some people but it's an investment of time and money that may not have any return.  I'm not aware of people reporting negative outcomes, however, which gives me a little more comfort.  I do know that GiaK on Beyond Meds spoke favorably about it as having helped her.

 

It's a tough call, Street.  Do your research and then decide for yourself.

Best,

 

Andy

[street129]

11 minutes ago, apace41 said:

 

LOL.  There is no "right or wrong" here, Ali.  I think it can help some people but it's an investment of time and money that may not have any return.  I'm not aware of people reporting negative outcomes, however, which gives me a little more comfort.  I do know that GiaK on Beyond Meds spoke favorably about it as having helped her.

 

It's a tough call, Street.  Do your research and then decide for yourself.

Best,

 

Andy

I read you should be stable before doing neurofeedback, I am not stable, so I will cancel my nov 3rd appt. .....OMG!....the consultation was not cheap...next time with anything I will report here first before making any decisions. This is a great group of supporters. I thank you all for your wise and honest opinions.

[street129]

On 10/15/2017 at 6:42 AM, Scorpio said:

Hi street129

how are you doing, I see you have been given some good advice, has it helped with your problems. 

nothing has change, im still not stable...

[Scorpio]

I’m sorry you are still struggling if it’s any consolation I’m back to horrible time again too. 

[street129]

is this good to take for stress.. Ashwagandha

 

Mod Note:  Please see this post

 

Edited October 29, 2017 by ChessieCat
Added Mod Note

[street129]

11 hours ago, Scorpio said:

I’m sorry you are still struggling if it’s any consolation I’m back to horrible time again too. 

longing for a good day. I suffer from chronic fatigue syndrome and I don't know if my symptom are related to that I am going to make an app with chronic dr tomorrow... Have you ever heard of  Ashwagandha...if you do can I get a link to read the comments ..thanks I hope we all feel better soon.

 

[Scorpio]

I hope the chronic dr can help you. I have heard of it but don’t know much about it. I can’t take any supplements without getting reactions so I steer clear of all of it. 

[street129]

9 minutes ago, Scorpio said:

I hope the chronic dr can help you. I have heard of it but don’t know much about it. I can’t take any supplements without getting reactions so I steer clear of all of it. 

im very sensitive also, but because I don't really know why im so ill once I see my chronic dr. I will have a better understanding whats going on with me. I will let you know what he find once I see him ..

[Scorpio]

Good luck. Hopefully he will help. 

[ChessieCat]

5 hours ago, street129 said:

is this good to take for stress.. Ashwagandha

 

 

Please see this topic ashwagandha-herb-for-anxiety-stress-and-toxic-overload

 

And especially note this post:

 

On 31/07/2013 at 9:19 PM, GiaK said:

I used to take ashwaganda daily...it's one of many supplements that went south on me...it's now agitating and very unpleasant...just FYI

 

[JanCarol]

Hey Street - 

On 26/10/2017 at 11:35 PM, street129 said:

i also wants to do a detox, is there a link on detoxing i tried looking but i cant find any thread on this site...

theres a site in california that sells mr sebi products, the  site is sebi.com if you want to check it out. 

 

someone on here told me to used vicks and i am putting it on my chest and other places on my body like around my nose,  i am bringing up mucus nonstop that i didnt even know was in my system,  that is why i wanted to get the detox products from the site. its herbal and its quite pricey

 

Detox is recommended only when you are healthy enough to stand it.  With your symptoms, it would be best to wait until you are off of the drugs.and away from withdrawal.

Most people who try a detox protocol while in withdrawal regret it:

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1963-liver-cleansing-enemas-fasting-and-other-purification-methods/

 

The extra mucous is your body trying to balance itself.  Trazadone does hit histamine receptors, and as your dose goes lower, that antihistamine action will drop out.  This looks like horrible allergies or toxic reactions - but really - it's just the trazadone.

On 29/10/2017 at 6:12 AM, street129 said:

Can anyone tell me if doing the Neurofeedback is a waste of money. i had an consultant yesterday to do the Neurofeedback ... thanks in advance for  a reply.

 

I'm concerned that you are replacing normal healthy social interactions with medical appointments.

Neurofeedback can be awesome.  It is important to get a good practitioner - there are a lot of cowboys in the field.  

BUT - none of these practitioners understand withdrawal and psych drugs, and the interactions between their work and the effects of the drugs.  And none of these practitioners are smart enough to say, "I don't know how this will affect withdrawal," and are more likely to say, "Give me your money, let's try it!"

At this time in your life, I believe it is a waste of money.

At another time in your life, it might be amazing and helpful to be able to control your brain waves and patterns with neurofeedback.  But not while you are struggling with symptoms.

 

Did your chronic fatigue start before you started trazadone or other drugs?

The thing is, these drugs' symptoms often look a lot like CFS, Fibro, Myoencephalitis, etc.  And, in fact, long term use of these drugs can induce conditions very similar to these catch all "diagnosis."

[JanCarol]

Hey Street - 

On 26/10/2017 at 11:35 PM, street129 said:

i also wants to do a detox, is there a link on detoxing i tried looking but i cant find any thread on this site...

theres a site in california that sells mr sebi products, the  site is sebi.com if you want to check it out. 

 

someone on here told me to used vicks and i am putting it on my chest and other places on my body like around my nose,  i am bringing up mucus nonstop that i didnt even know was in my system,  that is why i wanted to get the detox products from the site. its herbal and its quite pricey

 

Detox is recommended only when you are healthy enough to stand it.  With your symptoms, it would be best to wait until you are off of the drugs.and away from withdrawal.

Most people who try a detox protocol while in withdrawal regret it:

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1963-liver-cleansing-enemas-fasting-and-other-purification-methods/

 

The extra mucous is your body trying to balance itself.  Trazadone does hit histamine receptors, and as your dose goes lower, that antihistamine action will drop out.  This looks like horrible allergies or toxic reactions - but really - it's just the trazadone.

On 29/10/2017 at 6:12 AM, street129 said:

Can anyone tell me if doing the Neurofeedback is a waste of money. i had an consultant yesterday to do the Neurofeedback ... thanks in advance for  a reply.

 

I'm concerned that you are replacing normal healthy social interactions with medical appointments.

 

Neurofeedback can be awesome.  It is important to get a good practitioner - there are a lot of cowboys in the field.  

 

BUT - none of these practitioners understand withdrawal and psych drugs, and the interactions between their work and the effects of the drugs.  And none of these practitioners are smart enough to say, "I don't know how this will affect withdrawal," and are more likely to say, "Give me your money, let's try it!"

At this time in your life, I believe it is a waste of money.

At another time in your life, it might be amazing and helpful to be able to control your brain waves and patterns with neurofeedback.  But not while you are struggling with symptoms.

Some people are helped by ashwaganda, some are not.

I struggle with CFS (well, doctors would call it that - but it's a complex condition that doctors don't really understand, or have much compassion for).

I am mostly helped by mental and emotional techniques.   There are supplements, and I take them - with all supplements realize that there are no quick fixes, just tiny adjustments.

I hope you see the sun today.

[street129]

11 hours ago, JanCarol said:

Hey Street - 

 

Detox is recommended only when you are healthy enough to stand it.  With your symptoms, it would be best to wait until you are off of the drugs.and away from withdrawal.

Most people who try a detox protocol while in withdrawal regret it:

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1963-liver-cleansing-enemas-fasting-and-other-purification-methods/

 

The extra mucous is your body trying to balance itself.  Trazadone does hit histamine receptors, and as your dose goes lower, that antihistamine action will drop out.  This looks like horrible allergies or toxic reactions - but really - it's just the trazadone.

 

I'm concerned that you are replacing normal healthy social interactions with medical appointments.

Neurofeedback can be awesome.  It is important to get a good practitioner - there are a lot of cowboys in the field.  

BUT - none of these practitioners understand withdrawal and psych drugs, and the interactions between their work and the effects of the drugs.  And none of these practitioners are smart enough to say, "I don't know how this will affect withdrawal," and are more likely to say, "Give me your money, let's try it!"

At this time in your life, I believe it is a waste of money.

At another time in your life, it might be amazing and helpful to be able to control your brain waves and patterns with .  But not while you are struggling with symptoms.

 

Did your chronic fatigue start before you started trazadone or other drugs?

The thing is, these drugs' symptoms often look a lot like CFS, Fibro, Myoencephalitis, etc.  And, in fact, long term use of these drugs can induce conditions very similar to these catch all "diagnosis."

thank you so much jancarol,..your insight is remarkable, I had chronic fatigue before I was on any drug, its after my chronic fatigue I developed insomnia then been taking aides for sleep....I have chronic fatigue since 1995, got 85% better over the many years where I can live a good life, then 2 months ago I fell ill, and right after was when I got off my sleep meds for a day, it both hit all at once, I want to believe its chronic fatigue, I have now also develope this cough, I don't know where it came from but when I inhale im having coughing attacks with mucos that its draining me,  its been like this for the pass 2 weeks that I don't know what to do so I ended up in the emergency room, Dr said he heard tweezing in my lung, so far they gave me an oral inhaler to breath into, that made my coughing attacks worst....

 

I will not do a detox thanks for the links...I cancel my neurofeedback this morning, I have now thrown away money on my consultant, I will check here first from now on before I make any decisions going forward. Thank you sooooooo much ms jancarol. Diamond in a ruff.

 

[street129]

21 hours ago, Scorpio said:

Good luck. Hopefully he will help. 

thank you love , .be well

I got an app late in november.

[Frogie]

Hi street:

 

Just thought I would drop by and say hi and see how you are doing?

 

Hope well.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[street129]

2 hours ago, Frogie said:

Hi street:

 

Just thought I would drop by and say hi and see how you are doing?

 

Hope well.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

hi frogie, im still hanging in there. No great change as yet.I hope you're doing good.

[Frogie]

16 minutes ago, street129 said:

hi frogie, im still hanging in there. No great change as yet.I hope you're doing good.

I'm doing better, after 4 antibiotics I think I'm over my infection.

 

Hope you have a HUGE window soon!

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[Scorpio]

Hi quest

Any improvement in your rotten symptoms- I hope so. Any appetite back yet?  Mine seemed to appear yesterday and snacked and ate all day - amazing.  Mind you have gotten up today back to forcing banana and yoghurt down. 

[street129]

I have done some research on trazodone on other sites and a lot of people that are taking it are having symtom  like what I have, I am experiencing burred vision, nasal congestion still heat in the body and im still @225mg. One of the people on the site said that after these symtom came they discontinue trazodone and all of the  symptom went away ..they were on then for only a month.  Im ready to go to my next taper 202.5mg, but im also scared. I've been t 225mg since late august and I really don't know how I feel.not as bad but not as good either, I want to go one more at 225mg, but im confuse. Im ranting and hope someone will jump in...

 

hope i didnt put this in the wrong place.....

[street129]

On 10/30/2017 at 1:17 PM, Frogie said:

Hi street:

 

Just thought I would drop by and say hi and see how you are doing?

 

Hope well.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

havent been here in a while... im still not myself, and all my symptom seem like side affects, my nose is congested for no reason and cloggy, ..with my vision being burred,  and had develope allergies.. i  was on another board where people are giving their experience of beening on trazadone and complaining about the same symptoms i have.... i dont know if i should move to my next taper after reading the posts on that board.some people said once they got off their symptom went away. do you have any thought on this i hope i hear from the mods. and being scared to move to my next taper..

[street129]

On 10/31/2017 at 5:07 AM, Scorpio said:

Hi quest

Any improvement in your rotten symptoms- I hope so. Any appetite back yet?  Mine seemed to appear yesterday and snacked and ate all day - amazing.  Mind you have gotten up today back to forcing banana and yoghurt down. 

was doing research and havent been here in a while.. my symptoms seen like side affect, and i want to go to my next taper but im scare becuse of these side affects from the trazadone.