street129: hi

[street129]

On 10/30/2017 at 1:41 AM, JanCarol said:

Hey Street - 

 

Detox is recommended only when you are healthy enough to stand it.  With your symptoms, it would be best to wait until you are off of the drugs.and away from withdrawal.

Most people who try a detox protocol while in withdrawal regret it:

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1963-liver-cleansing-enemas-fasting-and-other-purification-methods/

 

The extra mucous is your body trying to balance itself.  Trazadone does hit histamine receptors, and as your dose goes lower, that antihistamine action will drop out.  This looks like horrible allergies or toxic reactions - but really - it's just the trazadone.

 

I'm concerned that you are replacing normal healthy social interactions with medical appointments.

 

Neurofeedback can be awesome.  It is important to get a good practitioner - there are a lot of cowboys in the field.  

 

BUT - none of these practitioners understand withdrawal and psych drugs, and the interactions between their work and the effects of the drugs.  And none of these practitioners are smart enough to say, "I don't know how this will affect withdrawal," and are more likely to say, "Give me your money, let's try it!"

At this time in your life, I believe it is a waste of money.

At another time in your life, it might be amazing and helpful to be able to control your brain waves and patterns with neurofeedback.  But not while you are struggling with symptoms.

Some people are helped by ashwaganda, some are not.

I struggle with CFS (well, doctors would call it that - but it's a complex condition that doctors don't really understand, or have much compassion for).

I am mostly helped by mental and emotional techniques.   There are supplements, and I take them - with all supplements realize that there are no quick fixes, just tiny adjustments.

I hope you see the sun today.

i was doing research and havent been here in a while.. my symptoms seen like side affect, according to other people comments on a trazodone board and how they were affected by it, and i want to go to my next taper but im scare because of these side affects from the trazadone.  any thought on how to procede.

[Frogie]

23 minutes ago, street129 said:

havent been here in a while... im still not myself, and all my symptom seem like side affects, my nose is congested for no reason and cloggy, ..with my vision being burred,  and had develope allergies.. i  was on another board where people are giving their experience of beening on trazadone and complaining about the same symptoms i have.... i dont know if i should move to my next taper after reading the posts on that board.some people said once they got off their symptom went away. do you have any thought on this i hope i hear from the mods. and being scared to move to my next taper..

I'm sorry. I don't have any answers for you. I've never been on Trazodone. But I would think that it is like all the other meds, don't taper until your symptoms are gone. Could be a long hold. I'm not a dr or a mod, so I'm sorry if I don't have the right answers for you. Someone with experience will be able to help you.

 

I wish you well and hope your symptoms ease soon.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[JanCarol]

Hey Street - 

 

Withdrawal and "side effects" are often the same thing. Same symptoms, even.   Sometimes they are "start up" effects, as well.  These drugs affect multiple systems, and they don't tell us that (they don't even know it themselves) when they start us on them.

 

The best plan of action is to come off the drug slowly and safely to prevent escalation of these effects.  Rapid withdrawal is harder on your system than a gentle taper.

You have been holding now for 3 months.  If you want to try a test taper of 5-10%, you can see if you can tolerate it.

 

I'm cautious about tapers around the Holidays - sometimes you have more time off work over the holidays, but sometimes holiday commitments can be more than you want to deal with if symptoms get intense.

 

How are your symptoms now?  Look at this list - and see what symptoms you are having:  
Dr. Joseph Glenmullen's Most Common symptoms of Withdrawal   

Let us know.  If you are having a lot of symptoms, or they are unbearable, then you may want to hold a bit longer.  If, however, you can tolerate them and work with them, you might consider a test taper.  There's a state that Brassmonkey terms, "Withdrawal Normal" - where you still have symptoms, but they are like a baseline.  You want to at least achieve Withdrawal Normal before trying a taper:

 

brassmonkey on "Withdrawal Normal"

 

I hope you see the sun today!
 

[street129]

12 hours ago, JanCarol said:

Hey Street - 

 

Withdrawal and "side effects" are often the same thing. Same symptoms, even.   Sometimes they are "start up" effects, as well.  These drugs affect multiple systems, and they don't tell us that (they don't even know it themselves) when they start us on them.

 

The best plan of action is to come off the drug slowly and safely to prevent escalation of these effects.  Rapid withdrawal is harder on your system than a gentle taper.

You have been holding now for 3 months.  If you want to try a test taper of 5-10%, you can see if you can tolerate it.

 

I'm cautious about tapers around the Holidays - sometimes you have more time off work over the holidays, but sometimes holiday commitments can be more than you want to deal with if symptoms get intense.

 

How are your symptoms now?  Look at this list - and see what symptoms you are having:  
Dr. Joseph Glenmullen's Most Common symptoms of Withdrawal   

Let us know.  If you are having a lot of symptoms, or they are unbearable, then you may want to hold a bit longer.  If, however, you can tolerate them and work with them, you might consider a test taper.  There's a state that Brassmonkey terms, "Withdrawal Normal" - where you still have symptoms, but they are like a baseline.  You want to at least achieve Withdrawal Normal before trying a taper:

 

brassmonkey on "Withdrawal Normal"

 

I hope you see the sun today!
 

thanks for this i do have burred vision and my main complaint is the burning in my back and leg, it wakes me up at night, if  that can go away i can deal with the burred vision, the burning is a big problem especially when im laying down.  i just bought  dr. joseph glenmullens book..., Now my problem is if i start at 5 percent which im willing to do , im scared cause much people on here dont gave me much support , so i stop coming here often, i love this place but the support is not return by much here.. i have no where to turn.. i turn to you and a few other members cause the few of you reply back to me, ..if i knew how to do my taper without going to a compound i would save money. im not good with math, some people on here told me to buy a scale, but i dont know how to use the scale and how to messure my pills.  i need help with that once i buy the scale and how to go about doing my 5%.... im on a fix income and it's not much.,

 

if you can show me it will be a great help to my budget, im paying 81 dollars for my 225mg  of trazodone .............if i do my 5 percent with my pill of that on a scale of  213.75mg  how  do i do this myself without using the compound pharmacy..any idea.. and with the new taper do i still do 28 days. thank you for you thoughts.  dec 21 2017 will be a new month for either a new taper @ 213.75mg at 5% or going on my 4th month at 225mg. 

[street129]

On 10/26/2017 at 4:56 PM, Survivor1 said:

Hello Street,

 

I too am on trazodone, and have tapered in the past.  Earlier this year I had reduced from 62 mg to 51 and it took me 2.5 months to stabilize.  But I did stabilize.  Just keep holding until you do, it will happen.  You may want to reduce by a smaller percentage next time, perhaps 5%? That way you are gentler on your body.

 

All the best.

hi im still not stable and its going n 4 months in december.. how do you do your pill, i want to learn how to do my trazadone myself  im going through a compound pharmacy but they are expensive ..my symtoms are burning in my back and leg, and burred vision. do you considered that unstable.  thanks for your feedback

[Frogie]

1 minute ago, street129 said:

hi im still not stable and its going n 4 months in december.. how do you do your pill, i want to learn how to do my trazadone myself  im going through a compound pharmacy but they are expensive ..my symtoms are burning in my back and leg, and burred vision. do you considered that unstable.  thanks for your feedback

Like I said, I've never taken Trazadone. But does it come in liquid form? My Lexapro comes in liquid and is much easier to taper with.

 

Or could you make your own liquid?

 

Just curious.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[street129]

On 10/26/2017 at 10:12 AM, Altostrata said:

We do not recommend detoxing. Please look in the Symptoms and Self-Care forum for our discussions about it.

hi altostrata  i just bought Joseph Glenmullen book on tapering slowly at 5 percent when i do get stable, i am still going throught symptoms, im having burining in my back and leg still with blurred vision, over the passed two weeks i had developed allergies but it now better,  im having congestion in my nose daily, and its side affect from being on trazodone. 

 

  i can deal with the blurred vision but not the burning. it will be 4 months that i've been holding at 225mg of the trazadone.  i just want to keep you abreast on  whats been going on with me  since i havent been here much.   are these  side affect consider unstable  cause i dont know.

[street129]

On 10/15/2017 at 6:42 AM, Scorpio said:

Hi street129

how are you doing, I see you have been given some good advice, has it helped with your problems. 

im going on 4 months at 225mg  come dec 27th im having side affect of burning in my back and leg, with blurred vision and i just got over allergies of 2 weeks, right now my nose is congested and i bought nasal spray from amazon to help with that,  do you consider these withdrawal symptoms.  i dont even know, i dont shake, but im not my usual self since i have these.

[street129]

On 10/23/2017 at 4:33 PM, SkyBlue said:

Hi Street129, just stopping by to say hi and that I hope you are able to feel more stabilized soon. 

im still holding .......going on 4 months at 225mg  dec 27th...im having side affect of burning in my back and leg, with blurred vision and i just got over allergies of 2 weeks, right now my nose is congested and i bought nasal spray from amazon to help with that,  do you consider these withdrawal symptoms.  i dont even know, i dont shake, but im not my usual self since i have these symptoms.

[street129]

On 10/23/2017 at 5:00 PM, Gridley said:

Hi, Street129,

 

I too wanted to drop by and say I hope you're feeling better soon.

im still holding .......going on 4 months at 225mg  dec 27th...im having side affect of burning in my back and leg, with blurred vision and i just got over allergies of 2 weeks, right now my nose is congested and i bought nasal spray from amazon to help with that,  do you consider these withdrawal symptoms.  i dont even know, i dont shake, but im not my usual self since i have these symptoms.

[street129]

On 10/23/2017 at 4:33 PM, SkyBlue said:

Hi Street129, just stopping by to say hi and that I hope you are able to feel more stabilized soon. 

thank you im still not stable yet...i will not do any taper until these symptom gets better .. i need to understand that. 

[Scorpio]

Hi street129

i hope you are ok and managing to eat and sleep better than you were. 

Im still waiting for some stability and it is now 5 months for me.  I had the burning legs but that now seems to have gone.  I haven’t had the blurred vision but just sore eyes. My nose runs but not congested more like a dripping tap. 

All I can say is I’m waiting in the hope I lose some of the dreadful anxiety, nausea, bowel cramping before I consider reducing but I am only on 1mg so don’t hve much choice. 

[street129]

1 hour ago, Scorpio said:

Hi street129

i hope you are ok and managing to eat and sleep better than you were. 

Im still waiting for some stability and it is now 5 months for me.  I had the burning legs but that now seems to have gone.  I haven’t had the blurred vision but just sore eyes. My nose runs but not congested more like a dripping tap. 

All I can say is I’m waiting in the hope I lose some of the dreadful anxiety, nausea, bowel cramping before I consider reducing but I am only on 1mg so don’t hve much choice. 

you gave me a little hope knowing i was not alone with the burning of the leg. november 27 will be 3 months at 225mg. and like you said , im waiting on my withdrawals to leave my body.

 

  i can sleep on my pill , last night i feel asleep without it , sometimes that happens , but i wake up to take it ...dont want to get more withdrawal... the burning wakes me up. i put ice next to me at night to sleep, and i run my fans.... 

 

i will not do any taper until these symptom gets better .. i need to understand that.  thanks for  making me feel like im not alone like i was feeling.. lets keep in touch, i dont come here much cause , it can get depressing ...  lets hope we see improvement for all of us on this board sooner than later. love you.

[street129]

2 hours ago, Frogie said:

Like I said, I've never taken Trazadone. But does it come in liquid form? My Lexapro comes in liquid and is much easier to taper with.

 

Or could you make your own liquid?

 

Just curious.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

no trazadone. dont come in liquid.. thats nice you can do your own taper, i wish i could ..  take care  luv you

[Scorpio]

Hi quest

its a hard road we travel but all the nasty symptoms will fade and we will be in a position to reduce until we can eventually put this drug misery behind us but it seems the trick is to just hold and do nothing. Very hard but we can do it. 

[street129]

On 10/26/2017 at 10:12 AM, Altostrata said:

We do not recommend detoxing. Please look in the Symptoms and Self-Care forum for our discussions about it.

i will not do any taper until these symptom gets better .. i need to understand that. ..

[street129]

1 hour ago, Scorpio said:

Hi quest

its a hard road we travel but all the nasty symptoms will fade and we will be in a position to reduce until we can eventually put this drug misery behind us but it seems the trick is to just hold and do nothing. Very hard but we can do it. 

you are right, this is something i need to learn to accept,  and apply and let thinks work its way out and stop looking for a quick fix. im finally getting what was said to me about holding ...

 

i will hold as long as need be. its scary but support from  others on here is also key. thanks for telling me about your symptoms also. appreciate it;

[Frogie]

37 minutes ago, street129 said:

no trazadone. dont come in liquid.. thats nice you can do your own taper, i wish i could ..  take care  luv you

Sorry to hear that. I was hoping it did to save you some money.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[Survivor1]

Hi Street,

 

Sorry you are still not feeling well.  Some people stabilize faster than others, so you never know when you will feel better, but you will.  I discontinued an AD 6 months ago and only recently have been getting some good windows.  I anticipate that I have to hold for another few months to be in a good place to start my next taper.  I am very optimistic that I will eventually feel OK, but will have to wait on my body to tell me when to proceed.

 

You mentioned that your troublesome symptoms are burning in the back and legs, and eye issues.  I too had those, both in my last trazodone drop (a whopping 19% drop), and my current remeron discontinuance.  Each time the symptoms went away (this last time it took 3 months to go).  I would say you are still unstable, especially since the burning seems intolerable for you.  In my opinion, it is better to hold to be as stable as possible.  I always remember a comment that a moderator (Dalsaan) wrote in someone's thread "a long hold is an investment in a future taper" (I paraphrase, of course).

 

I am not yet ready for my trazodone taper, but when I am, I will be doing a liquid titration.  There is a thread on this.  I will dissolve a 50mg tablet in 50 ml of water and use a small syringe to discard what I don't need. Using a scale seems to work well too, it's your personal preference.

 

Do not panic over your symptoms, just float with them, and try to let them be in the background of your life as much as possible (easier said than done, I know).  You are sleeping well.  For me, that is the arbiter of how well I manage my symptoms; insomnia makes everything much worse, and if I sleep OK, I tell myself I can deal with the rest.

 

Just a suggestion: to get a more timely response from others, it may be a good idea to post in their threads.

 

I wish you the best!

[street129]

5 minutes ago, Survivor1 said:

Hi Street,

 

Sorry you are still not feeling well.  Some people stabilize faster than others, so you never know when you will feel better, but you will.  I discontinued an AD 6 months ago and only recently have been getting some good windows.  I anticipate that I have to hold for another few months to be in a good place to start my next taper.  I am very optimistic that I will eventually feel OK, but will have to wait on my body to tell me when to proceed.

 

You mentioned that your troublesome symptoms are burning in the back and legs, and eye issues.  I too had those, both in my last trazodone drop (a whopping 19% drop), and my current remeron discontinuance.  Each time the symptoms went away (this last time it took 3 months to go).  I would say you are still unstable, especially since the burning seems intolerable for you.  In my opinion, it is better to hold to be as stable as possible.  I always remember a comment that a moderator (Dalsaan) wrote in someone's thread "a long hold is an investment in a future taper" (I paraphrase, of course).

 

I am not yet ready for my trazodone taper, but when I am, I will be doing a liquid titration.  There is a thread on this.  I will dissolve a 50mg tablet in 50 ml of water and use a small syringe to discard what I don't need. Using a scale seems to work well too, it's your personal preference.

 

Do not panic over your symptoms, just float with them, and try to let them be in the background of your life as much as possible (easier said than done, I know).  You are sleeping well.  For me, that is the arbiter of how well I manage my symptoms; insomnia makes everything much worse, and if I sleep OK, I tell myself I can deal with the rest.

 

Just a suggestion: to get a more timely response from others, it may be a good idea to post in their threads.

 

I wish you the best!

yea im holding ....i need to learn how to do liquid titration also , going the compound route is getting expensive and im on a fix income ...how do you do the ml of water what do you use, and can you  direct me to a syringe and what it looks like.   example  if my pill is 225mg of trazadone and i want to taper 5% for my next taper and i want to use liquid titration can it be done. and how.   thanks for any help on this is you can.

[Survivor1]

I purchased 50 ml syringes on Amazon, I also purchased 10 ml and 1 ml syringes.  You could dissolve 225 mg in 112.5ml water, the concentration would then be 2 mg trazodone/1 ml water.  In the latter case, if you will be dropping by 11 mg (almost 5%), you will then need to discard 5.5 ml water and drink the rest.  Your second drop will be 5% of (225-11) or 5% of 214 which is 10.7mg or almost 11 mg again. So you will discard another 5.5 ml of water for a total of 11 ml discarded in the second drop.

 

The most manageable concentration to start with is 1 mg trazodone/ 1ml water, but since you are on a high dosage, this may lead you to have to drink a lot of suspension, but it's up to you.

 

Trazodone does not dissolve fully.  The liquid is actually a suspension.  I find that if I stir and draw the amount I need from the middle of the container while stirring, I am precise enough. The suspension tastes horrible, but you could sweeten it with a few drops of honey (after discarding the unwanted amount first).

 

Once you are stable, feel free to post in my thread for help.

[RachelSusan]

Hi Street,

Thank you for stopping by my page and positing.  I decided to reply here on your page, thinking it might be easier for you. I have burning in my leg and my arm quite a bit of the time.   I have also been reading your previous posts, I see that you have at times a congested nose.  I have found that my congested nose and sinus pressure is all part of withdrawal, at least for me it is. I applaud your decision to hold at 225 mg until you stabilize. I won't taper until I have at least 30 days that are symptom free.  I learned that from our mutual friend Frogie. As for going the compound route, yes it can get very expensive. I tried cutting pills but it was hard for me to get the exact measurement.  I have since gotten a prescription for liquid zoloft.  I just looked up trazodone and there is indeed a liquid trazodone. I am wondering if that might be easier for you? I hope you stabilize very soon.

RachelSusan

[street129]

3 hours ago, RachelSusan said:

Hi Street,

Thank you for stopping by my page and positing.  I decided to reply here on your page, thinking it might be easier for you. I have burning in my leg and my arm quite a bit of the time.   I have also been reading your previous posts, I see that you have at times a congested nose.  I have found that my congested nose and sinus pressure is all part of withdrawal, at least for me it is. I applaud your decision to hold at 225 mg until you stabilize. I won't taper until I have at least 30 days that are symptom free.  I learned that from our mutual friend Frogie. As for going the compound route, yes it can get very expensive. I tried cutting pills but it was hard for me to get the exact measurement.  I have since gotten a prescription for liquid zoloft.  I just looked up trazodone and there is indeed a liquid trazodone. I am wondering if that might be easier for you? I hope you stabilize very soon.

RachelSusan

thanks for getting back to me. where can i read on the liquid trazodone,  i really need something cheaper. is it a prescription like yours and is your prize reasonable., maybe i will google liquid trazodone and see what comes up. i will let you know. thanks for all you do and what you let me know.

[JanCarol]

Hey Street - 

 

It seems to me like you are getting support.

 

One way to reach out and get support is to visit other people's threads (like you did with RachelSusan) and visit there,   If you follow threads of people you care about, they will start to care about you, too!  To find other people who have symptoms - you can Google "Survivingantidepressants" + "burning legs" (for example) and find others with the symptom that concerns you.  Or perhaps you want to talk to other trazadone sufferers, by Googling "survivingantidepressants" + "trazadone" (you don't need the quotes, but they might help) you can find them.

 

The cheapest solution is for you to make up your own liquid, like Survivor does.

 

If you have any of your "old" trazadone pills around the house, you can try to make up your current dose.

You need:

Graduated cylinder

Small plastic jar(s) (2-3 is helpful) with lids so that you can carry your doses if need be.

5 ml or 10 ml syringe.

 

To make up your current dose of 225, you crush a 250 mg tablet (if you don't have a mortar and pestle, you can crush it between 2 spoons).  Pour the powder into 100 ml water (I choose 100 because it makes the maths easier).  Stir well.  While you are stirring (as Survivor said), use the syringe to remove 10 ml of water, you drink the rest.  This is a 225 mg dose.  We can help you with the maths for each drop you want to make.  Many of us are maths impaired!

 

All of the liquid trazadone I found was compounded (like your capsules are), or for pets.  It would be hard to get a veterinarian to help with your tapering plan!  Trazadone is an old drug, and usually cheap - so you don't need to spend $81 a month if you can learn to do this!  Learning this now will help you later, so that you can do smaller tapers, and be in control.

 

The problem with compounding (besides the cost) is you fill a month at a time - what if your best taper time is at 5 weeks?  Or 7?  This will add to the cost of your compounding, as you have to go to the doctor to get a new dose prescribed!

 

[RachelSusan]

Hi Street,

I don't know what my zoloft costs overall, but my co-pay is $64.00 for a three month supply of that particular medication.  I just googled "liquid Trazadone" and various sites came up which showed liquid.  This is the first one I went to: https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/26750

and it said: Trazodone hydrochloride 50mg/5ml Oral solution.  Not much else.  I just wanted to know if they made Trazadone in a liquid.  My experience with doctors has been that sometimes if they aren't aware of something existing then it's best that I go into the appointment with proof of if existing, if I want to make sure I get a prescription for it.  JanCarol is the expert and she is 100% right of course,  you can make your own liquid. I was afraid to when I first went on liquid because I did not trust myself to get it right, however from what I read on other people's post they say it is simple and of course the mods will talk you though it. I also see that you have an offer from Survivor1 to talk you through it.  Good luck Street.  I hope for the best for you. Keep posting it helps to feel you connected.

[street129]

4 hours ago, JanCarol said:

Hey Street - 

 

It seems to me like you are getting support.

 

One way to reach out and get support is to visit other people's threads (like you did with RachelSusan) and visit there,   If you follow threads of people you care about, they will start to care about you, too!  To find other people who have symptoms - you can Google "Survivingantidepressants" + "burning legs" (for example) and find others with the symptom that concerns you.  Or perhaps you want to talk to other trazadone sufferers, by Googling "survivingantidepressants" + "trazadone" (you don't need the quotes, but they might help) you can find them.

 

The cheapest solution is for you to make up your own liquid, like Survivor does.

 

If you have any of your "old" trazadone pills around the house, you can try to make up your current dose.

You need:

Graduated cylinder

Small plastic jar(s) (2-3 is helpful) with lids so that you can carry your doses if need be.

5 ml or 10 ml syringe.

 

To make up your current dose of 225, you crush a 250 mg tablet (if you don't have a mortar and pestle, you can crush it between 2 spoons).  Pour the powder into 100 ml water (I choose 100 because it makes the maths easier).  Stir well.  While you are stirring (as Survivor said), use the syringe to remove 10 ml of water, you drink the rest.  This is a 225 mg dose.  We can help you with the maths for each drop you want to make.  Many of us are maths impaired!

 

All of the liquid trazadone I found was compounded (like your capsules are), or for pets.  It would be hard to get a veterinarian to help with your tapering plan!  Trazadone is an old drug, and usually cheap - so you don't need to spend $81 a month if you can learn to do this!  Learning this now will help you later, so that you can do smaller tapers, and be in control.

 

The problem with compounding (besides the cost) is you fill a month at a time - what if your best taper time is at 5 weeks?  Or 7?  This will add to the cost of your compounding, as you have to go to the doctor to get a new dose prescribed!

 

thank you so much, i have to google graduated cylinder since i dont know what that looks like i hope i find the right one since i never know what one looks like and  i need to see a 5 ml or 10 ml cause i dont know what they look like either, i want the right thing that you mention. 100 ml water is tp pour where, excuse my lack of knowledge i just dont know. and which syringe im i using.. this seem like nothing to you cause you get it im still trying to get it. i will not completely yet. thanks for this it will save me money, and what you said in the end made a lot of sense cause i though about that earlier today, if i taper and feel sick thats money i have to go back to my dr to get the pill i had before if i had to go back up to the mg that i was on.. doing the water with a little help  hopefully will work. thanks a lot ...love you guys.  can you be able to do one like this 213.75 with liquid ..i just need to know if you are good with percentage, cause im not and my pill have that when i do my 5% once im stable. that would be my next taper coming off of 225mg. .. i just hope i gets this...

[street129]

3 hours ago, RachelSusan said:

Hi Street,

I don't know what my zoloft costs overall, but my co-pay is $64.00 for a three month supply of that particular medication.  I just googled "liquid Trazadone" and various sites came up which showed liquid.  This is the first one I went to: https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/26750

and it said: Trazodone hydrochloride 50mg/5ml Oral solution.  Not much else.  I just wanted to know if they made Trazadone in a liquid.  My experience with doctors has been that sometimes if they aren't aware of something existing then it's best that I go into the appointment with proof of if existing, if I want to make sure I get a prescription for it.  JanCarol is the expert and she is 100% right of course,  you can make your own liquid. I was afraid to when I first went on liquid because I did not trust myself to get it right, however from what I read on other people's post they say it is simple and of course the mods will talk you though it. I also see that you have an offer from Survivor1 to talk you through it.  Good luck Street.  I hope for the best for you. Keep posting it helps to feel you connected.

co pay is steep, but 3 months is better than just one month  like me , i was paying 81 dollars a month, im on a fix income, with bills...and rent, i have no help.

[JanCarol]

Hey Street - 

 

all of the information is here: 

How to Make a Liquid from Tablets or Capsule

and

Using an Oral Syringe and other Tapering Techniques

 

Here is a graduated cylinder:

It is available from Amazon for $5.99.  It may be available at a local pharmacy, or veterinarian supply, or even an educational shop for science kits

This is a 5 ml syringe:

You can get 5 of these for $5.99 at Amazon.  They are also available at pharmacies - usually for giving baby medicine.  They may also be available at pet shops.

 

This is a 10 ml syringe:

 

 

It says "single use" but since you will be putting the same stuff in it, you can reuse them.  You can get 5 for $6.99 at Amazon

 

Here are little 100 ml jars:

 

These are amber to protect them from the light, with lids so that you can carry a dose with you if you need to.

 

These are 2 for $9.77 at Amazon but you don't need fancy jars.  Baby food jars work really well, too.  

 

I'm really holding your hand on this one, because you have the idea that this is a "hard thing."  It's not.

 

It's not expensive, nor is it hard.  There are hundreds of people who have done this successfully - even when in worse withdrawals than you have.

 

You can do this!

 

Put 100 ml water into cylinder.  pour into jar.  Crush tablet, add.  Shake jar.  Use 10 ml syringe (get the 10 ml one first, maybe get the 5 ml one later) to withdrawal 10 mls of liquid.  Discard.  The rest is your dose.  You can carry it - or take it then.  Keep it in the fridge for up to 3 days.  When you are ready to take it, shake the jar, drink it, and then fill the jar again with water and drink that, too, so that you get it all.

 

Do you make bread?  Or perhaps you make a special recipe salsa?  Do you follow a recipe to cook?  That's all this is.

[JanCarol]

Okay, to do 214 mg (I round up from 213.75, because I think it's close enough.  The 2 digits after the decimal point may become important as you get lower in dose - but not for awhile yet.  And you may only need one decimal point when you get down to the 5-10 mg doses)

 

100 ml of water.

250 mg of crushed tablet.

 

214 divided by 250 = 85.6%.  

100ml - 85.6 = 14.4.  Withdraw 14.4 ml of water to discard.  

Drink the rest.

 

So yes, you can do tiny increments.

 

I like the 100 ml graduated cylinder, because it's 100%.  All you need to know is what percent you want to take out, and subtract it from 100.  100 ml cylinder makes the maths simple.

 

But if you have problems with maths, we can help each time, if need be.

 

Are you beginning to understand a little bit?  Does it seem a little easier?  More doable?

 

I hope you see the sun today!

[street129]

4 hours ago, JanCarol said:

Okay, to do 214 mg (I round up from 213.75, because I think it's close enough.  The 2 digits after the decimal point may become important as you get lower in dose - but not for awhile yet.  And you may only need one decimal point when you get down to the 5-10 mg doses)

 

100 ml of water.

250 mg of crushed tablet.

 

214 divided by 250 = 85.6%.  

100ml - 85.6 = 14.4.  Withdraw 14.4 ml of water to discard.  

Drink the rest.

 

So yes, you can do tiny increments.

 

I like the 100 ml graduated cylinder, because it's 100%.  All you need to know is what percent you want to take out, and subtract it from 100.  100 ml cylinder makes the maths simple.

 

But if you have problems with maths, we can help each time, if need be.

 

Are you beginning to understand a little bit?  Does it seem a little easier?  More doable?

 

I hope you see the sun today!

yes im a visural person..you are the best. im getting ready to go to the grocery to buy dinner, i could hardly wait to return to read all of this and take everything in.   

 

have you ever heard of "THE ROAD BACK'' AND HOW they are selling two type of supplement call neuro day and neuro night package for withdawals?  i would love to know what you thing about those if you have heard about this site.  you keep me alive.  thank you and thanks for the sylinders and every other thing,

 

i will read once i return home and if i need to ask questions on what i dont understand. i hope it will not be a bother. . love you.

[street129]

i have the cylinder and syringes all in my basket at amazon,  i will also check the pharmacy to see if i can get each one before i place the order,  i will definately get the 100 ml jars from amazon:...i understand how to put things where they belongs following the direction. now that i see what im working with.. i do not bake and i hardly cook, i eat out a lot, since its only me at home...

 

i understand how you round off 214.... from 213.75  since .75 is closer to 1.00.....im i right.. 

 

some questions .. will we always gonna be using 250mg of the trazadone to taper when i drop every 28 days.

 

.. i am very very bad in math, i only know how to add, subtract, divide, and mutltiply ..if you dont want to continue , i will understand.  and thanks for the little help that you have given me..please be patient with me, once i learn something i get it always after at..

 

i tried doing this on paper and i didnt get how you got the answer.

 

214 divided by 250 = 85.6%.  

100ml - 85.6 = 14.4.  Withdraw 14.4 ml of water to discard.  

 

how do you withdraw 14.4 of the water with the syringe ..sorry if i dont understand...

 

one of my taper is 203.06  in this case would i drop the 06. and just do 203 divided by 250...not sure of the answer yet

trying to see if im learning correctly.

[JanCarol]

I don't have much time today Street - but please save your money and don't waste it on The Road Back.

 

 

Eventually you will use smaller tablets, but for awhile the 250 will suit fine.

 

When you get your tools practice with water and you will begin to understand, I think.

 

 

Edited November 27, 2017 by JanCarol

[street129]

On 11/26/2017 at 7:11 PM, JanCarol said:

I don't have much time today Street - but please save your money and don't waste it on The Road Back.

 

 

Eventually you will use smaller tablets, but for awhile the 250 will suit fine.

 

When you get your tools practice with water and you will begin to understand, I think.

 

 

thanks for the info on the road back , i will continue with the compound pharmacy. be well.

[manymoretodays]

Hi Street,

 

I saw your post to me in the thread on Alcohol/Beer.  And you asked if I thought you might feel better going back up to 250mg. of your Trazadone.    Of course that is something that you might consider doing.  I did read through a bit of your intro/journal and I'm not sure that you were feeling great on the 250mg.  So I suppose my best suggestion/opinion would be that if.......if you decide to updose.........then updose by less than the full 25mg.  I'm not certain it would take away your current withdrawal symptoms though.  No guarantees.  And you are making good progress.  You might see if you can decide after reading others experiences with updosing.

 

It looks like you have gone approximately 3 mos. now on your 10% reduction.  That's great.  And you are getting some nice 5 hour stretches of sleep as well.  I believe Trazadone is usually prescribed as a sleep medication.

 

I was on Trazadone once while in the hospital........it had a really odd effect on me.  I had just come off Lexapro though, and it may have been due to that.  I don't know.  I found it very hypnotic, yet almost agitating.  Again.......this was probably more of a "paradoxical" reaction........kind of the opposite effect of what the drug/medication is intended to do.  It also might have just been the early Lexapro withdrawal.

 

Love, peace, healing/in recovery, growth, and patience(for us all)

 

Best,

 

manymoretodays

[street129]

On 11/30/2017 at 10:53 AM, manymoretodays said:

Hi Street,

 

I saw your post to me in the thread on Alcohol/Beer.  And you asked if I thought you might feel better going back up to 250mg. of your Trazadone.    Of course that is something that you might consider doing.  I did read through a bit of your intro/journal and I'm not sure that you were feeling great on the 250mg.  So I suppose my best suggestion/opinion would be that if.......if you decide to updose.........then updose by less than the full 25mg.  I'm not certain it would take away your current withdrawal symptoms though.  No guarantees.  And you are making good progress.  You might see if you can decide after reading others experiences with updosing.

 

It looks like you have gone approximately 3 mos. now on your 10% reduction.  That's great.  And you are getting some nice 5 hour stretches of sleep as well.  I believe Trazadone is usually prescribed as a sleep medication.

 

I was on Trazadone once while in the hospital........it had a really odd effect on me.  I had just come off Lexapro though, and it may have been due to that.  I don't know.  I found it very hypnotic, yet almost agitating.  Again.......this was probably more of a "paradoxical" reaction........kind of the opposite effect of what the drug/medication is intended to do.  It also might have just been the early Lexapro withdrawal.

 

Love, peace, healing/in recovery, growth, and patience(for us all)

 

Best,

 

manymoretodays

thanks for your reply.. i did up my dose back to 250mg im taking fish oil 800mg twice a day, but it seems to be affecting me in a bad way, so after today i will not continue taking it. i also take a little of b12 injection that i got from a compound pharmacy , i will stop taking that too. i only took the fish oil this morning on an empty stomach and i did not feel good... i want to look out for improvement on my reinstating trazodone back at 250mg.

i will stay at this until i see improvement so far im still expriencing burning in my back.  i had that ever since i had taper to 225mg.  thanks again for replying back to me.

i called the Alternative to Meds Center a couple days ago, and they send me an application for a loan and to be accepted into the meds center, but after i read how people had bad things to say about the place i dont want to go .. the funny thing is the loan department keep sending me a email for me to fill out the application for the loan of 100,000.   im not going....

 

her's her email to me  ....

Hello Gretel,

It was a pleasure talking with you last night.

I have included the link to the MLend application please complete it and we should know in a couple hours if approved.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

I can call you around 3:30 p.m. your time today to answer any questions you may have.

Kindly,

Lotus

[brassmonkey]

I would suggest that you stay put on one dose and let all the recent changes settle out before trying anything else.  This can be a very slow process and updosing after several months of not seeing results can be very counter productive.  Now that you've done it I would stay with the 250mg for several months to let it stabilize.  Then you could start on a slow 10% taper. 

 

Fish oil should be taken with food because it is known to upset the stomach.  Vitamin B12 frequently causes problems for people who are tapering.