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2 hours ago, Terry said:

I noticed that quite often you tapered, or proposed to taper, with a 3 (rather than 4) week hold.  Did it work OK for you?  That could shorten total taper time by a fair amount, which is very appealing.

 

The goal is to get off our drug with the minimal discomfort and with the ability to live our lives as normally as possible.  Yes, the thought of shortening the taper time is appealing but the alternative of trying to go quicker and ending up destabilising ourselves is not.  I've been tapering for just over 5 years now and still have almost 1 year to go and many times I've tried to "fiddle the numbers" to try and cut off some time but each time I end up realising that in the scheme of things getting off 2 or even 3 months sooner when I've been tapering for so long with minimal issues and at the expense of the compounding, that in the end I'd rather go slower than to risk upsetting the apple cart.  There have been many times over the last few years that I've just wanted to stop taking the drug and see what happens but sanity prevails when I remember that I know of too many members here at SA who have tried to go faster and have come unstuck.  Some members have ended up taking longer to get off than if they had continued doing a careful taper and some have ended up on an additional drug which then has to be tapered, and some have ended up worse with the additional drug or a different drug.  Some manage to stabilise, but it can take a long time, but there are others never get back to their previous stability.  Some have had to leave work, some have become bedridden, some have had their relationship breakdown, some have had to move in with relatives.

 

REMEMBER:  Every reduction, however small, is getting us closer to being off the drug.  We will get there eventually.

 

My tapering has been done using compounded Pristiq.  The lowest dose the pharmacist could make at a reasonable cost was 0.125mg.  Because of this I adapted my taper around my doses so if a taper cycle was a fair bit less than 10% I might have only held for 3 weeks instead of 4.  There have been at least 2 times that I have held for extended periods to allow my brain a chance to catch up if it needed it, one was for 3 months at 50mg (a standard tablet), and I think at 20mg for 7 weeks because I had extra capsules. 

 

Recently I discovered that I can dissolve the contents of a capsule in water (the tablet has to be crushed up very finely otherwise it goes gluggy) so I can now get my doses very close to 10%.  It would have been good to have realised this earlier but I managed okay and I'm very thankful to be able to do that now otherwise I would have had to make increasingly larger reductions with longer holds.

FINISH LINE here I come!!!

🏁

Current from 25 September 2021:  Pristiq 0.02mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

My tapering program   My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)  My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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@Terry

 

I just wondered how you were doing?

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal and Prilosec from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Calcium

 Xanax 1mg three times a day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) three times a day to .003 grams three times a day.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

 

 

I am not a medical professional. The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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Thanks for asking Frogie.  It's funny, but I've been wondering the same thing about you lately.  As far as WD I'm doing reasonably well.  Physically, not as well as I would like.  I still have leg pain in my surgical leg (THR) and am seeing a physical therapist regularly.  I keep hoping for some progress, but so far I see very little improvement.  I keep hoping that with time and exercise, the pain will get better.

 

How are you doing post-taper off xanax?  I hope things are smoothing out for you, and getting back to a better place.  I'm planning to be off sertraline in about 6 months if all goes well.  Then, after a rest, I'll tackle my xanax taper.

 

Warm wishes,

Terry

2007 - 2008          Paxil and Klonopin

2008 - 2012           Mirtazapine following abrupt withdrawal from Klonopin/Paxil.  

2012                       Unsuccessful taper of mirtazapine; reinstated.     

7/2013 - 1/2014   Successfully tapered from 7.5 mg

 

SERTRALINE Aug 4, 2017 - 25 mg;  Jan 1, 2018 - 12.5 mg;  Jan 16, 2019 - 2.6 mg;  Jan 5, 2020 - 1.0 mg;  Jan 3, 2021 - 0.27 Current dose:   July 18, 2021 - 0.00

7/19/17 ALPRAZOLAM 0.25 mg. - current  

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I'm beginning the end game taper today, though I'm rather nervous about making a 25% cut.  My WD has been fairly manageable, except for a few bumps in the road, so I'm hoping this change will go well.  If not, I'm unsure what to do, go back to my previous dose or tough it out.  I may need the sage advice of some of the mods at that point.  I truly appreciate the help and encouragement I've received here from everyone.

2007 - 2008          Paxil and Klonopin

2008 - 2012           Mirtazapine following abrupt withdrawal from Klonopin/Paxil.  

2012                       Unsuccessful taper of mirtazapine; reinstated.     

7/2013 - 1/2014   Successfully tapered from 7.5 mg

 

SERTRALINE Aug 4, 2017 - 25 mg;  Jan 1, 2018 - 12.5 mg;  Jan 16, 2019 - 2.6 mg;  Jan 5, 2020 - 1.0 mg;  Jan 3, 2021 - 0.27 Current dose:   July 18, 2021 - 0.00

7/19/17 ALPRAZOLAM 0.25 mg. - current  

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@Frogie

Thanks for asking Frogie.  It's funny, but I've been wondering the same thing about you lately.  As far as WD I'm doing reasonably well.  Physically, not as well as I would like.  I still have leg pain in my surgical leg (THR) and am seeing a physical therapist regularly.  I keep hoping for some progress, but so far I see very little improvement.  I keep hoping that with time and exercise, the pain will get better.

 

How are you doing post-taper off xanax?  I hope things are smoothing out for you, and getting back to a better place.  I'm planning to be off sertraline in about 6 months if all goes well.  Then, after a rest, I'll tackle my xanax taper.

 

Warm wishes,

Terry

2007 - 2008          Paxil and Klonopin

2008 - 2012           Mirtazapine following abrupt withdrawal from Klonopin/Paxil.  

2012                       Unsuccessful taper of mirtazapine; reinstated.     

7/2013 - 1/2014   Successfully tapered from 7.5 mg

 

SERTRALINE Aug 4, 2017 - 25 mg;  Jan 1, 2018 - 12.5 mg;  Jan 16, 2019 - 2.6 mg;  Jan 5, 2020 - 1.0 mg;  Jan 3, 2021 - 0.27 Current dose:   July 18, 2021 - 0.00

7/19/17 ALPRAZOLAM 0.25 mg. - current  

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@Terry

 

Hi!

 

 I’m so sorry to hear you are still having the leg pain. I was so hoping it would have eased up by now. Hopefully with physical therapy it will become less and less with time. At least you don’t have something requiring more surgery. 
 

You are nearly at the end. That is fantastic news! You did so well with minimal symptoms. That’s a fantastic taper.

 

Im sure, after a rest your Xanax taper will go just as well for you.

 

 I’m holding my own. Still have symptoms, but I will heal one day and this will all just be a bad dream.

 

Take care,

 Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal and Prilosec from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Calcium

 Xanax 1mg three times a day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) three times a day to .003 grams three times a day.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

 

 

I am not a medical professional. The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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UPDATE:  I am down to the last level of tapering sertraline.  I started the end game taper in March and my last cut of 50% was on June 1st.  Theoretically, I should be jumping to zero in three weeks.  But I'm wondering if it's the right thing to do.  I'm experiencing such fatigue, but am unable to sleep more than 5-6 hours a night.  In mid-afternoon I get very sleepy and sometimes nap a bit.  If I try to do anything significant around our house i just get zapped.  My energy level and ambition are so low.  I'm concerned that if I jump to zero I may be even worse off.  Am I being pessimistic?  I really want to be free of this drug.

2007 - 2008          Paxil and Klonopin

2008 - 2012           Mirtazapine following abrupt withdrawal from Klonopin/Paxil.  

2012                       Unsuccessful taper of mirtazapine; reinstated.     

7/2013 - 1/2014   Successfully tapered from 7.5 mg

 

SERTRALINE Aug 4, 2017 - 25 mg;  Jan 1, 2018 - 12.5 mg;  Jan 16, 2019 - 2.6 mg;  Jan 5, 2020 - 1.0 mg;  Jan 3, 2021 - 0.27 Current dose:   July 18, 2021 - 0.00

7/19/17 ALPRAZOLAM 0.25 mg. - current  

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brassmonkey

The Endgame Taper is all about listening to your body ad letting it call the shots. You have made it down to a good level, now it is just the timing of the jump. I wouldn't pay attention to a set schedule but rather continue to take this dose until your body says "that's enough". No second guessing, no thinking about it, your body will know when the time is right.

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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Frogie

@Terry

 

Just like Brassmonkey said, follow your body. There is no rush to get off of it like there was for me with the Xanax. And you won’t have the side effects like I am (hopefully). Nice and slow wins the race.

 

I think you’re doing wonderful! Keep me posted 😊

 

Take care,

 Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal and Prilosec from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Calcium

 Xanax 1mg three times a day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) three times a day to .003 grams three times a day.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

 

 

I am not a medical professional. The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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Update:  On July 17 I took my last dose of sertraline.  That evening I began having abdominal pain and went to the ER where I was diagnosed with appendicitis.  Early the next morning I had an appendectomy under general anesthesia, and was given an antibiotic and pain killers.  I don't know if what I'm experiencing now is from ending the sertraline or from all the drugs I was given. 

2007 - 2008          Paxil and Klonopin

2008 - 2012           Mirtazapine following abrupt withdrawal from Klonopin/Paxil.  

2012                       Unsuccessful taper of mirtazapine; reinstated.     

7/2013 - 1/2014   Successfully tapered from 7.5 mg

 

SERTRALINE Aug 4, 2017 - 25 mg;  Jan 1, 2018 - 12.5 mg;  Jan 16, 2019 - 2.6 mg;  Jan 5, 2020 - 1.0 mg;  Jan 3, 2021 - 0.27 Current dose:   July 18, 2021 - 0.00

7/19/17 ALPRAZOLAM 0.25 mg. - current  

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Altostrata

So sorry you're going through this! Terrible coincidence, but appendicitis has to be treated. It must have been very painful.

 

Are you still taking pain killers? What did they tell you about the recovery process?

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I've taken 1 1/2 pain pills, but think I can get along without them now.  If need be, I can use Tylenol or ibuprophen. 

 

Appendectomy is now considered to be an outpatient procedure.  I was discharged from the hospital's surgery recovery area about 3 hours after my surgery, along with printed aftercare instructions.  I don't remember any specific verbal instructions.

2007 - 2008          Paxil and Klonopin

2008 - 2012           Mirtazapine following abrupt withdrawal from Klonopin/Paxil.  

2012                       Unsuccessful taper of mirtazapine; reinstated.     

7/2013 - 1/2014   Successfully tapered from 7.5 mg

 

SERTRALINE Aug 4, 2017 - 25 mg;  Jan 1, 2018 - 12.5 mg;  Jan 16, 2019 - 2.6 mg;  Jan 5, 2020 - 1.0 mg;  Jan 3, 2021 - 0.27 Current dose:   July 18, 2021 - 0.00

7/19/17 ALPRAZOLAM 0.25 mg. - current  

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@Terry

 

I’m so sorry to hear about your appendicitis.

 

 I truly hope you have a speedy recovery.

 

Take care,

 Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal and Prilosec from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Calcium

 Xanax 1mg three times a day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) three times a day to .003 grams three times a day.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

 

 

I am not a medical professional. The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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@FrogieThanks, Frogie.  I'm on the mend.  Now that I'm off sertraline I can look ahead to my xanax taper.  I'm guessing I should wait a while before starting that.

2007 - 2008          Paxil and Klonopin

2008 - 2012           Mirtazapine following abrupt withdrawal from Klonopin/Paxil.  

2012                       Unsuccessful taper of mirtazapine; reinstated.     

7/2013 - 1/2014   Successfully tapered from 7.5 mg

 

SERTRALINE Aug 4, 2017 - 25 mg;  Jan 1, 2018 - 12.5 mg;  Jan 16, 2019 - 2.6 mg;  Jan 5, 2020 - 1.0 mg;  Jan 3, 2021 - 0.27 Current dose:   July 18, 2021 - 0.00

7/19/17 ALPRAZOLAM 0.25 mg. - current  

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I would wait until you are fully mended and feeling really well.

 

But great news you’re on the way!

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal and Prilosec from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Calcium

 Xanax 1mg three times a day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) three times a day to .003 grams three times a day.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

 

 

I am not a medical professional. The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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@Terry

 

Just wanted to stop by and check in on you.

 

Hope you’re doing well😊

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal and Prilosec from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Calcium

 Xanax 1mg three times a day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) three times a day to .003 grams three times a day.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

 

 

I am not a medical professional. The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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@Frogie Thanks for checking on me.  It's now nearly 2 months that I'm off sertraline.  I continue to have anxiety pretty much daily, and I wonder if it's still withdrawal, or if it's connected to taking xanax.  I'd like to start my xanax taper, but don't know how "normal" I need to feel before starting.  I'm beginning to wonder if "normal" is even achievable anymore.

 

Hope you're doing OK post-xanax.  Because you had a rather rushed taper, I expect things can be unpleasant at times.  I hope those times are very few.

 

Best regards,

Terry

2007 - 2008          Paxil and Klonopin

2008 - 2012           Mirtazapine following abrupt withdrawal from Klonopin/Paxil.  

2012                       Unsuccessful taper of mirtazapine; reinstated.     

7/2013 - 1/2014   Successfully tapered from 7.5 mg

 

SERTRALINE Aug 4, 2017 - 25 mg;  Jan 1, 2018 - 12.5 mg;  Jan 16, 2019 - 2.6 mg;  Jan 5, 2020 - 1.0 mg;  Jan 3, 2021 - 0.27 Current dose:   July 18, 2021 - 0.00

7/19/17 ALPRAZOLAM 0.25 mg. - current  

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@Terry

 

I don’t think your anxiety is related to the Xanax. That’s a very common wd symptom when you come off an antidepressant. I’d give it time and patience, unfortunately and I bet it will clear up before you know it.

 

Have you tried some magnesium? That tends to help me

 

Take care,

 Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal and Prilosec from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Calcium

 Xanax 1mg three times a day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) three times a day to .003 grams three times a day.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

 

 

I am not a medical professional. The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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@Shep You advised me when I was helping my husband, Raphael, to taper from valium.  That taper was successful, and he is doing well. 

 

I've been off sertraline since mid-July, and am now planning my alprazolam (xanax) taper.  I'd like to make a dilution using my 0.25 mg tablets, but need a little guidance on how best to do it.  I plan to use vodka to dissolve the tablets, but need to know what volume is necessary.  I currently split my dose, taking 0.0625 in the morning and  0.1875 at bedtime.

 

Thanks, and best regards,

Terry

 

 

 

2007 - 2008          Paxil and Klonopin

2008 - 2012           Mirtazapine following abrupt withdrawal from Klonopin/Paxil.  

2012                       Unsuccessful taper of mirtazapine; reinstated.     

7/2013 - 1/2014   Successfully tapered from 7.5 mg

 

SERTRALINE Aug 4, 2017 - 25 mg;  Jan 1, 2018 - 12.5 mg;  Jan 16, 2019 - 2.6 mg;  Jan 5, 2020 - 1.0 mg;  Jan 3, 2021 - 0.27 Current dose:   July 18, 2021 - 0.00

7/19/17 ALPRAZOLAM 0.25 mg. - current  

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For ease of calculating your dose volume it would be easiest to use 2.5mL of vodka. That would give you a dilution ration of 10:1 with 10mL of liquid containing 0.25mg of active ingredient, or 1mL of liquid containing 0.025mg. From that you should be able to calculate the necessary volume for the doses you are taking.

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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So that would be dissolving a 0.25 mg tablet in 2.5 ml vodka, then adding 7.5 ml water, for a final volume of 10 ml.  My morning dose, typically 1/4 of a tablet, would now be 2.5 ml from that 10 ml.  I would plan to taper my bedtime dose first until it's equal to the morning dose, then taper both together evenly.

2007 - 2008          Paxil and Klonopin

2008 - 2012           Mirtazapine following abrupt withdrawal from Klonopin/Paxil.  

2012                       Unsuccessful taper of mirtazapine; reinstated.     

7/2013 - 1/2014   Successfully tapered from 7.5 mg

 

SERTRALINE Aug 4, 2017 - 25 mg;  Jan 1, 2018 - 12.5 mg;  Jan 16, 2019 - 2.6 mg;  Jan 5, 2020 - 1.0 mg;  Jan 3, 2021 - 0.27 Current dose:   July 18, 2021 - 0.00

7/19/17 ALPRAZOLAM 0.25 mg. - current  

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