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Hi I took effaxor for 5 months 75mg. I stopped 4.5 months ago and still stuck with PSSD.

How hopeful should I be, do people here recover substantially from PSSD? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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mild depression: took effaxor XR 75mg From nov 2016 - feb 2017 for 4 months

PSSD : Since then along with continuing withdrawal.

cognition problems, headache , fatigue, concentration problems, anhedonia, PSSD ( erection 2/10, Libido1/10, orgasm 4/10) 

no significant improvements in any withdrawal symptoms or any PSSD symptoms

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scallywag

hussy -- Welcome to Surviving Antidepressants (SA)

 

I'm sorry that you are experiencing symptoms 4.5 months after having stopped taking Effexor. 

 

Would you tell us how you stopped Effexor -- all at once, in steps, skipping days?

 

A request: Would you summarize your history in a signature -- drugs, doses, dates, and discontinuations & reinstatements, in the last 12-24 months particularly?

  • Any drugs prior to 24 months ago can just be listed with start and stop years.
  • Please use actual dates or approximate dates (mid-June, Late October) rather than relative time frames (last week, 3 months ago)
  • Spell out months, e.g. "October" or "Oct."; 9/1/2016 can be interpreted as Jan. 9, 2016 or Sept. 1, 2016.
  • Please leave out symptoms and diagnoses.
  • A list is easier to understand than one or multiple paragraphs.
  • Link to Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature.

 

PSSD is a condition that causes a great deal of suffering. We have a topic where others dealing with it post. Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction. People do recover from PSSD; you'll find more and better information on other sites; links for those sites are in the PSSD topic. On this site, we aren't aware of any effective treatments for PSSD and haven't done much study on the prognosis of the condition.

 

I hope that you'll find the discussion at our PSSD topic helpful and the information and support you seek through the resources we've linked.


This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.
1997-1999 Effexor; 2002-2005 Effexor XR 37.5 mg linear taper, dropping same #beads/week with bad results

Cymbalta 60 mg 2012 - 2015; 2016: 20 mg to 7 mg exact doses and dates in this post; 2017: 6.3 mg to  0.0 mg  Aug. 12; details here


scallywag's Introduction
Online spreadsheet for dose taper calculations and nz11's THE WORKS spreadsheet

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Madeleine

Check out the success stories section. I remember someone wrote about that.... and totally recovetedbut can't remember name of the person...


Dec 1, 2016. 10 mg zyprexa for 1.5 month. Started taper mid-Jan. 2017. Cut 1.25 mg every 2 weeks; smaller cuts 2.5 mg down. Stopped at .6 mg. May 7, 2017: zyprexa free. 
Zoloft: Dec1, 2016, 200 mg. Started taper: Jun12, 2017: 197.5 mg; Jun19,:195 mg; July 2:185mg; July 9,:180 mg; July16,: 175; July 23: 170; July 30: 165; Aug6: 160; Aug13: 155; Aug. 20: 150; Aug.27: 146 mg; Sept3: 145 mg; Sept10:143 mg; Sept17:140 mg....Nov5: 122 mg...Dec3:112.5 mg; Jan14, 2018: 95 mg...Jan28: 90 mg; Feb21:80 mg; Mar11: 75 mg; May2:70 mg; May15: 68 mg; May28: 65 mg; Jun9: 62 mg;Jun25: 60 mg:July22: 55 mg; Aug25: 45 mg. Aug28: 50 mg...Oct 28: 38 mg; Dec.4: 30 mg; Jan8,2019: 25mg; Feb6: 23.5 mg; Apr1:17.5mg; May1:1 mg; May 5: 18;  May 18:15mg; June 16:12.5mg; Sept 10:11 mg; Sept.16:10 mg; Oct. 1: 9mg; Nov. 27: 8mg; Dec.5: 7mg; Jan.1,2020, 6 mg; Feb1: 5 mg; May 1: 2.5 mg; Jn 1: 2 mg; Jy 1: 1.5 mg
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Spruce30

I have heard of people recovering from PSSD. I think there is hope for recovery


Last took an SSRI January 2009.

 

Last took a benzodiazepine May 2015.

 

Free from all prescription medication since May 2015.

 

Everything has mostly healed apart from PSSD which is still very bad, and is my most distressing symptom. Also i have developed some allergy problems/ sensitivities to things in the environment which i believe was possibly caused by the prescription medications (SSRI's and benzos).

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On 7/12/2017 at 10:53 AM, Spruce30 said:

I have heard of people recovering from PSSD. I think there is hope for recovery

Hey Spruce,

 

How are you feeling lately? Any improvements?


Drug free since 2014. Age 24. 

 

Lexapro (20mg) from late 2011-late 2013

 

Switched to Lustral (150mg) late 2013 til early-mid 2014

 

Cold turkeyed (!) in the spring of 2014

PSSD and anhedonia since. Experienced some windows (not fully functioning but definite improvement) several time since developing sexual dysfunction and emotional blunting.

 

Help and hope is greatly appreciated. Feel so alone and lost.

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Spruce30

Yes i have been having improvements, but waves as well. Full healing feels quite a long way off though.


Last took an SSRI January 2009.

 

Last took a benzodiazepine May 2015.

 

Free from all prescription medication since May 2015.

 

Everything has mostly healed apart from PSSD which is still very bad, and is my most distressing symptom. Also i have developed some allergy problems/ sensitivities to things in the environment which i believe was possibly caused by the prescription medications (SSRI's and benzos).

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Hussy, imo  no-one can tell you if you will or wont recover from pssd.

all anyone can say is 'they dont know'

Some people may recover others may not.

Im about to enter my 8th year drug free and i have seen no improvement whatsoever.

 

I believe Healy is right when in 2015 he said this:

"Within the first week of when you go on an antidepressant you may have a sexual dysfunction, it can go on forever, often only appearing when you go off the drug ...its extraordinarily common" Healy 2015

Please if you have time consider writing some complaint letters to the authorities in your country regarding this doctor caused harm.

 

nz11


Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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hussy

Hi

 

I am still experiencing strong withdrawal symptoms like cognition and concentration problems. Fatigue. PSSD  etc. What should I do to get out of this mess. I am asking about supplements etc. Will this improve?

 

Regards

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mild depression: took effaxor XR 75mg From nov 2016 - feb 2017 for 4 months

PSSD : Since then along with continuing withdrawal.

cognition problems, headache , fatigue, concentration problems, anhedonia, PSSD ( erection 2/10, Libido1/10, orgasm 4/10) 

no significant improvements in any withdrawal symptoms or any PSSD symptoms

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SadDoll
On 8/30/2017 at 8:47 AM, nz11 said:

Hussy, imo  no-one can tell you if you will or wont recover from pssd.

all anyone can say is 'they dont know'

Some people may recover others may not.

Im about to enter my 8th year drug free and i have seen no improvement whatsoever.

 

I believe Healy is right when in 2015 he said this:

"Within the first week of when you go on an antidepressant you may have a sexual dysfunction, it can go on forever, often only appearing when you go off the drug ...its extraordinarily common" Healy 2015

 

Please if you have time consider writing some complaint letters to the authorities in your country regarding this doctor caused harm.

 

nz11

Sorry to hear. What are your other symptoms? Did anything heal?


Drug free since 2014. Age 24. 

 

Lexapro (20mg) from late 2011-late 2013

 

Switched to Lustral (150mg) late 2013 til early-mid 2014

 

Cold turkeyed (!) in the spring of 2014

PSSD and anhedonia since. Experienced some windows (not fully functioning but definite improvement) several time since developing sexual dysfunction and emotional blunting.

 

Help and hope is greatly appreciated. Feel so alone and lost.

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On 8/30/2017 at 8:26 AM, Spruce30 said:

Yes i have been having improvements, but waves as well. Full healing feels quite a long way off though.

Great :D

 

What have you been doing?


Drug free since 2014. Age 24. 

 

Lexapro (20mg) from late 2011-late 2013

 

Switched to Lustral (150mg) late 2013 til early-mid 2014

 

Cold turkeyed (!) in the spring of 2014

PSSD and anhedonia since. Experienced some windows (not fully functioning but definite improvement) several time since developing sexual dysfunction and emotional blunting.

 

Help and hope is greatly appreciated. Feel so alone and lost.

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SadDoll
On 8/30/2017 at 8:26 AM, Spruce30 said:

Yes i have been having improvements, but waves as well. Full healing feels quite a long way off though.

When did you start getting waves? How lobg did you have pssd?


Drug free since 2014. Age 24. 

 

Lexapro (20mg) from late 2011-late 2013

 

Switched to Lustral (150mg) late 2013 til early-mid 2014

 

Cold turkeyed (!) in the spring of 2014

PSSD and anhedonia since. Experienced some windows (not fully functioning but definite improvement) several time since developing sexual dysfunction and emotional blunting.

 

Help and hope is greatly appreciated. Feel so alone and lost.

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Hi Hussy, sorry to hear that you are still experiencing withdrawal symptoms.  It can take some time for them to resolve.  I noticed that Scallywag had requested additional information in a post above and was wonder if you could please take another look and provide the information requested in order for use to provide more additional information with respect to your situation.

 

On 2017-07-04 at 6:31 PM, scallywag said:

hussy -- Welcome to Surviving Antidepressants (SA)

 

I'm sorry that you are experiencing symptoms 4.5 months after having stopped taking Effexor. 

 

Would you tell us how you stopped Effexor -- all at once, in steps, skipping days?

 

A request: Would you summarize your history in a signature -- drugs, doses, dates, and discontinuations & reinstatements, in the last 12-24 months particularly?

 

  • Any drugs prior to 24 months ago can just be listed with start and stop years.
  • Please use actual dates or approximate dates (mid-June, Late October) rather than relative time frames (last week, 3 months ago)
  • Spell out months, e.g. "October" or "Oct."; 9/1/2016 can be interpreted as Jan. 9, 2016 or Sept. 1, 2016.
  • Please leave out symptoms and diagnoses.
  • A list is easier to understand than one or multiple paragraphs.
  • Link to Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature.
     

 

 

PSSD is a condition that causes a great deal of suffering. We have a topic where others dealing with it post. Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction. People do recover from PSSD; you'll find more and better information on other sites; links for those sites are in the PSSD topic. On this site, we aren't aware of any effective treatments for PSSD and haven't done much study on the prognosis of the condition.

 

I hope that you'll find the discussion at our PSSD topic helpful and the information and support you seek through the resources we've linked.

 


Current Prescription Drugs for Hypothyroidism:  Synthroid 100mcg / Cytomel 5mcg (15 years Pristiq/Effexor)

Tapering Schedule
September 15, 2016 - switched from Pristiq 50mg to Effexor XR 75mg; November 10, 2016 - reduced to 67.5 Effexor XR
December 9, 2016 - reduced 60.75
January 5, 2017 - reduced 54.67
January 30, 2017 - reduced to 49.0
February 20, 2017 - reduced to 44.0 
May 20, 2017 - reduced to 40.25 (holding for additional month due to late onset of withdrawal symptoms after this taper)
July 17, 2017 - reduced to 38.24
August 15, 2017 - reduced to 37.5 (50% of my original dose)

October 15, 2017 - reduced to 35.6

November 12, 2017 - reduced to 33.8
December 15, 2017 - up-dose to 35.6
December 28, 2017 - up-dose to 37.5

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Hello Hussy,

There are definitely stories of PSSd recovery on this site.  I'm sorry you're having this.

I'm three years off and just started having PSSD.  I thought I was in the clear because I'd been off so many years, but cruel irony set in.  I get aroused, but am unable to orgasm, and the arousal itself becomes physically painful when I am the verge of the never-appearing orgasm.

Unexpected twist: I'm female.  Usually this problem seems to happen to guys, or maybe guys just admit it more often than women do.

At any rate, please do look at the recovery stories.  There are men there who have recovered from PSSD.

Can we make a deal?  I'll pray for you, and you pray for me.  Okay?

All the best,
Wiggle


**I'm not a doctor and don't give medical advice, merely personal experience
***Off all meds since Nov. 2014. Mentally & emotionally recovered; physically not
-Dual cold turkeys off TCA & Ativan in Oct 2014. Prescribed from 2011-2014

-All meds were Rxed off-label for an autoimmune illness.  It was a MISDIAGNOSIS, but I did not find out until AFTER meds caused damage.  All med tapers/cold turkeys directed by doctors 

-Nortriptyline May 2012 - Dec 2013. Cold turkey off nortrip & cold switched to desipramine

-Desipramine Jan 2014 - Oct. 29, 2014 (rapid taper/cold turkey)

-Lorazepam 1 mg per night during 2011
-Lorazepam 1 mg per month in 2012 (or less)

-Lorazepam on & off, Dec 2013 through Aug 2014. Didn't exceed 3x a week

-Lorazepam again in Oct. 2014 to help get off of desipramine. Last dose lzpam was 1 mg, Nov. 2, 2014. Immediate paradoxical reactions to benzos after stopping TCAs 

-First muscle/dystonia side effects started on nortriptyline, but docs too stupid to figure it out. On desipramine, muscle tremors & rigidity worsened

-Two weeks after I got off all meds, I developed full-blown TD.  Tardive dystonia, dyskinesia, myoclonic jerks ALL over body, ribcage wiggles, facial tics, twitching tongue & fingers, tremors/twitches of arms, legs, cognitive impairment, throat muscles semi-paralyzed & unable to swallow solid food, brain zaps, ears ring, dizzy, everything looks too far away, insomnia, numbness & electric shocks everywhere when I try to fall asleep, jerk awake from sleep with big, gasping breaths, wake with terrors & tremors, severely depressed.  NO HISTORY OF DEPRESSION, EVER. Meds CREATED it.

-Month 7: hair falling out; no vision improvement; still tardive dystonia; facial & tongue tics returned
-Month 8: back to acute, incl. Grand Mal seizure-like episodes. New mental torment, PGAD, worse insomnia
-Month 9: tardive dystonia worse, dyskinesia returned. Unable to breathe well due to dystonia in stomach, chest, throat
-Month 13: Back to acute, brain zaps back, developed eczema & stomach problems. Left leg no longer works right due to dystonia, meaning both legs now damaged
-4 years off: Huge improvements, incl. improved dystonia

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mild depression: took effaxor XR 75mg From nov 2016 - feb 2017 for 4 months

PSSD : Since then along with continuing withdrawal.

cognition problems, headache , fatigue, concentration problems, anhedonia, PSSD ( erection 2/10, Libido1/10, orgasm 4/10) 

no significant improvements in any withdrawal symptoms or any PSSD symptoms

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mild depression: took effaxor XR 75mg From nov 2016 - feb 2017 for 4 months

PSSD : Since then along with continuing withdrawal.

cognition problems, headache , fatigue, concentration problems, anhedonia, PSSD ( erection 2/10, Libido1/10, orgasm 4/10) 

no significant improvements in any withdrawal symptoms or any PSSD symptoms

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baroquep

Hi Hussy,

 

Sorry to hear that you are still dealing with your symptoms.  Rest assured that what you are going through is completely normal under the circumstances.  You were only on Effexor for a short period of time and it can sometimes takes time for the symptoms to become more manageable. 

 

I am going to attach a few link so that you can familiarize yourself with the patterns of recovery when an antidepressant is stopped abruptly, discontinued too rapidly or doses are alternated.

 

One Theory of Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome
What is Withdrawal Syndrome?

Video:  Healing From Antidepressants - Patterns of Recovery
What is Happening in Your Brain
How Psychiatric Drugs Remodel Your Brain aka Brain Remodelling

 

Please also have a look in our Symptoms and Self Care Forum where you will find a lot of links that can help you mange your symptoms.

 

Symptoms & Self Care

Symptoms:  Important topics about symptoms

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms
 

Techniques to deal with cognitive difficulties

"Change the channel" -- dealing with cognitive symptoms
Change cognitive framing - Redirect - Another Way

Cognitive Behavior Therapy (CBT) for anxiety, depression
Cognitive Behavior Therapy lessons

 

Scallywag attached a link for you to read above regarding PSSD that might also help which I've reattached below.

 

 Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction.

 

People do recover from PSSD; you'll find more and better information on other sites; links for those sites are in the PSSD topic. On this site, we aren't aware of any effective treatments for PSSD and haven't done much study on the prognosis of the condition.  I hope that you'll find the discussion at our PSSD topic helpful and the information and support you seek through the resources we've linked.

 

 


Current Prescription Drugs for Hypothyroidism:  Synthroid 100mcg / Cytomel 5mcg (15 years Pristiq/Effexor)

Tapering Schedule
September 15, 2016 - switched from Pristiq 50mg to Effexor XR 75mg; November 10, 2016 - reduced to 67.5 Effexor XR
December 9, 2016 - reduced 60.75
January 5, 2017 - reduced 54.67
January 30, 2017 - reduced to 49.0
February 20, 2017 - reduced to 44.0 
May 20, 2017 - reduced to 40.25 (holding for additional month due to late onset of withdrawal symptoms after this taper)
July 17, 2017 - reduced to 38.24
August 15, 2017 - reduced to 37.5 (50% of my original dose)

October 15, 2017 - reduced to 35.6

November 12, 2017 - reduced to 33.8
December 15, 2017 - up-dose to 35.6
December 28, 2017 - up-dose to 37.5

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hussy

Does anyone else also suffer from loss of skin senstivity? Did any treatment help for that?

 

Regards


mild depression: took effaxor XR 75mg From nov 2016 - feb 2017 for 4 months

PSSD : Since then along with continuing withdrawal.

cognition problems, headache , fatigue, concentration problems, anhedonia, PSSD ( erection 2/10, Libido1/10, orgasm 4/10) 

no significant improvements in any withdrawal symptoms or any PSSD symptoms

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Gavalar09

Hussy, 

 

Please say you’ve seen some improvements since you last posted...


Citalopram 2015-2015

Sertraline 2015-2015

 

 

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Hey hussy,

 

how are you doing?


Paxil (20mg): Nov. 2012 - June 2014. CT of paxil. Severe psyhological symptoms. Reinstatement of Paxil (20mg): September 2014. Several attempts (4 or 5) of withdrawal, failing each time (due to increased symptoms:hypersensitivity to sounds, panic, anxiety) and reinstating back to 20mg. Last reinstatement was in January 2016. Symptoms still present. Stopped paxil cold turkey by the end of January, and switched to Citalopram (30mg)

Citalopram (30mg): Feb 1st 2016 - March 17 2016. CT off Citalopram.

Escitalopram (10mg): March 18 2016 - April 14 2016

Escitalopram (15mg): April 15 2016 - on going. Symptoms: Anxiety, Panic, Hypersensitivity to sounds, Tinnitus, Anhedonia.

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Hey Hussy, unsure if you're still looking for answers as to whether anyone has recovered from PSSD and I know this is a two year old thread but still want to comment saying that I had PSSD very early on and eventually recovered from it completely.

 

Hope this brings you some peace of mind and that you are doing well. ❤️


2009: Put on Fluoxetine (20mg) and Risperdal (0.5mg) for OCD. Dose was increased a few weeks later to 40mg Fluoxetine and 1mg Risperdal.

2011: Began experiencing Depersonalisation and Visual Snow, general loss of energy and breast growth. Was kept on 40mg Fluoxetine until Late Dec 2015. Risperdal dosage varied and was kept on 0.5mg for a long while before Nov 2015.

Early Sep 2015: Began having symptoms of extreme anxiety, psychosis and hot flushes due to mixing illegal drugs.

Late Nov 2015: Psych doc raised Risperdal to 8mg. Began having severe and hellish Akathisia. Was kept being given Diazepam to cope.

Early Dec 2015: Began seeing a new psych doc who tapered me off Risperdal over a period of a few weeks and put me onto Quetiapine.

Late Dec 2015: Quick tapered off of everything due to little guidance.

Mid March 2016: Reinstated Fluoxetine (5mg), dose was increased to 10mg a couple of weeks later. Gave me restless legs and stopped taking immediately (RLS was unbearable).

10 May 2016: Unsuccessful Fluoxetine reinstatement at 1mg. Drug free since May 2016.

 

Diet (When Able): Low carb and sugar, high fat & dark greens. medium protein and fruit. Taking 100mg magnesium, 1000mg omega 3, 0.25mg Melatonin daily,. Drinking at least one mug of chamomile a day. Weekly Light exercise. Meditating daily and practising mindfulness.

 

"Come back to square one, just the minimum bare bones. Relaxing with the present moment, relaxing with hopelessness, relaxing with death, not resisting the fact that things end, that things pass, that things have no lasting substance, that everything is changing all the time—that is the basic message." – Pema Chodron

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39 minutes ago, Prohealer said:

Hey Hussy, unsure if you're still looking for answers as to whether anyone has recovered from PSSD and I know this is a two year old thread but still want to comment saying that I had PSSD very early on and eventually recovered from it completely.

 

Hope this brings you some peace of mind and that you are doing well. ❤️

Thanks Prohealer for the nice post. 

My situation : i did improve to about 65 percent 6 months ago and i was having lots of windows and i started hooking up with girls. 

But 5 months ago i had another crash and I am 20-30 percent functional now. But I do believe that recoviery in possible but the road is very un predictable. 

 

How long it take you to recover from PSSD  prohealer and are you 100 percent back in terms of libido erection orgasm?

 


mild depression: took effaxor XR 75mg From nov 2016 - feb 2017 for 4 months

PSSD : Since then along with continuing withdrawal.

cognition problems, headache , fatigue, concentration problems, anhedonia, PSSD ( erection 2/10, Libido1/10, orgasm 4/10) 

no significant improvements in any withdrawal symptoms or any PSSD symptoms

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hussy

I am unable to see light at the end of the tunnel these days. 

Feeling very bad. 

Lot of fatigue and severe PSSD. Body crashes after every orgasm. burning feet and burning feeling in hands. 

its 26 months off the drug for me. I dont know how long its gonna last. 


mild depression: took effaxor XR 75mg From nov 2016 - feb 2017 for 4 months

PSSD : Since then along with continuing withdrawal.

cognition problems, headache , fatigue, concentration problems, anhedonia, PSSD ( erection 2/10, Libido1/10, orgasm 4/10) 

no significant improvements in any withdrawal symptoms or any PSSD symptoms

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Altostrata

@hussy, how are you doing?

 

We're seeing that setbacks occur when people drink alcohol and sometimes from taking antibiotics or other drugs.


This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

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