DMV64: reinstate Saphris?

[DMV64]

1 minute ago, Altostrata said:

grief

I am really trying Alto. I just FaceTimed with son. I miss him so much. It is hard to be in two separate cities. I am still working through it. I think I do a pretty good job of nurturing myself except for the negative self talk. Working on that. 

[Altostrata]

This is good, dmv. And hug a kitty today.

[DMV64]

10 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

kitty

Well might have to be a dog. Darn allergies. 

[DMV64]

Well, I applied for a job just to try to see more people at one of the big chain stores, but (as another member had mentioned) I am overqualified and so probably would not get a position. And I got a rejection letter today. Kinda stinks. I was hoping to work the floor, see people. My next idea is to sign up for some shift work at out local food coop, stocking the floor, customer service. I did make a few outreach program texts but nothing has materialized yet. I am going to keep trying though. I want to grow some roots here. Tonight I will go to the Neighborhood association meeting. Connection! Connection! 

I have started moving my klonopin towards evening. And hour a day? That is what I am trying...Alto or Jan...sound good?

Also daughter (20) is looking at moving into an off campus apartment, out of the house. Honestly I can't totally face the feelings right now. I know it is different than son, still in Brooklyn and a distant guy anyway, but still this transition out of parenthood is harder than I imagined.

I went for a jog in the snow this morning. <3

 

[DMV64]

It looks like we are going to adopt Zelda the small dog! Probably tomorrow. I am excited and it is good to feel SOMETHING happy. I saw the doc on Tuesday and I told him how I felt about his fast taper. It wasn't easy but the resident actually encouraged me to do it. So I am holding, spacing out my klonopin, processing the feelings about daughter moving into an apartment. 

[manymoretodays]

Hi DMV,

 

Sounds good.  The above. 

 

I had to slow my own "job hunt and prep" down a bit as I'm physically a bit off, with fatigue added in.  Yes, the rejections are hard when they occur.  Have you considered any volunteer work or time?  I do an awful lot of that.......had to turn down meals on wheels today, as I'm just "sick"........and as it's mostly older people I don't want to possibly expose them to anything.  The benefit with volunteering.......well there are many.

 

Congrats on the puppy.  That should be fun, although........perhaps a bit challenging but in a good way.  Like having a newborn baby?  I've never had a dog and just cannot upset Betsey Ross cat at present.  She's a queen!!  Needs a groom again too!  A fine independent companion cat of sorts........I have to laugh here though........she is from the "streets" and has some issues.......just a few.......yet I love her!!!

 

Okay......I mean super.......nice report and Holding as suggested.  As well as your benzo spacing. 

 

Love, peace, healing/inrecovery, and growth,

mmt

 

 

[DMV64]

4 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

volunteer

Yes! I am going to volunteer at the co-op, a shift at a time. 

The dog is here! It is like a baby, but I think it will be good for me, give me some focus and a buddy.

Oh! I love cats but the allergies are too much.

Thanks for stopping by....xoxo

[DMV64]

Just checking in on myself. I think the klonopin split is helping the morning anxiety. I am on 6 hours apart now. Zelda the dog is also helping although I am a little allergic to her and hoping that I can deal with that. Had a moment or two of feeling sorry for myself: Like why can't I have anything? But then realized wallowing is not going to improve my situation. So Vacuuming, less face cuddles, hand washing, air filter. It has been almost 6 weeks since my updose to stablize and I can say it is getting slowly better, which is great. Seeing progress is such a blessing. 

[DMV64]

I got a little dog. She is so good for me, but I am a bit allergic to her. I will need to probably take antihistimine. Does anyone have a recommendation of which one? Note: I do not want to take one, but I will need to unless I give her back to the shelter, unless my body adjusts... I hear XYZAL is a good one. 

Right now I am just sad I am reacting to her, she is a cuddler and makes me smile. But I am definitely allergy sick.

[JanCarol]

Oh dear D - and congratulations!

 

You now have a companion for the next 10-15 years (all being well)!!!  She will give you unconditional love, and make constant, instant demands on you.  Dogs are always in the Present - I strongly recommend a book by Eckhart Tolle called "Guardians of Being."  She will teach you so much about emotional honesty, caring, and - if you pay attention - mindfulness and self-care, too.

 

This is not the book, but - it captures a lot of it:

 

 

I lived my entire childhood with a dog I was allergic to.  My parents decided that to eliminate everything I was allergic to, would turn me into the "girl in the bubble," and that's so right.  But - while we did eliminate feather pillows and reduced dust as much as possible, the dog was non-negotiable, a member of the family.  I survived this, and my weekly "brother mowing the lawn" attacks with allergy shots and heavy antihistamines, and mother's obsessive cleaning routines.  The old antihistamines were more like neuroleptics (aka "antipsychotics," like geodon and saphris), but the new ones, while still kin, aren't as brutal on the brain.  I credit my life of antihistamines as a lynch pin in my mood instability (not the only factor, but a big one).  Two other lynch pins for me where wheat sensitivity (I got worse when we moved to Kansas), and B-vitamin methylation.  If we had addressed just one of these in childhood, perhaps I'd be in better condition now.

 

SO - Histamines.  It may be helped by diet:

 

http://www.histamineintolerance.org.uk/about/the-food-diary/the-food-list/

 

Healing Histamine - Low Histamine Chef

 

Think of histamine as an empty bowl.  You have to have some, or you would die - but when the bowl overflows, you get symptoms.

 

If the doggie is causing your histamine bowl to overflow - you can take a non-drowsy antihistamine and reduce the liquid - or you can take a more natural approach and reduce what you put into the bowl, with diet.  It's not easy - I always find elimination diets challenging.  But if you use the bowl image, it's not elimination so much as reduction.

 

If your allergies to pup-dog are manifesting in sinuses, here's my "save my life" steam:

 

• You can put Vick's in a bowl of steaming water, and it will work.  I find that to be harsh for daily use.
• My recipe was a handful of peppermint leaves, a half handful of coltsfoot, a half handful of gingko leaves, and a q-tip's worth  of red Tiger Balm.  I have no good herb sources here, so I haven't done this in Australia, and I miss it a lot!

The other thing which you absolutely must do is daily saline rinses of your sinusus - like a neti pot.  I learned to do it with just my hand, though, "snorting" the water up through my sinuses.  How strong the saline is, depends on your sinuses.  I actually found a stronger solution more soothing than a weak one.  One time I didn't have any salt and did it with just tap water = never again!

 

There is a tincture, called Royal Desmodium  (desmodium ascendans)  which is supposed to have antihistaminic action and help with respiratory tract.  It is not psychoactive.  It is not as nasty as some tinctures (I find it quite tasty) but I have trouble adding a regular tincture into my routine.  That's just me.

 

It would be sad to give the puppygirl up - it's up to you to decide "how much is too much," and harm vs. benefit of having the little dog.  But the sooner you decide the better - for her sake (her life is so much shorter than ours).  So try these things to see if they help enough - and I hope you get to keep her.  The benefits of such a companion is usually greater than the challenges.

 

So there are some natural suggestions to try before you go to the drugstore and pick up an antihistamine.

 

I hope you see the sun today!

[DMV64]

8 hours ago, JanCarol said:

neti pot

Yes I do Neti already! I also got a homeopathic remedy recommended to me from BioAllers "Animal Hair and Dander" and will be trying that. We are wondering too if she (Zelda the dog) might be producing more dander right now from the anxiety of moving homes. We are vacuuming everyday. I have my bed covered already and she does not go upstairs. Thank you for all the information. I am hoping! Right now it seems manageable, the antihistimine is not too bad and it helps when I need it for now. Going to look at the food component too although I also find this type of thing challenging!

[DMV64]

That was a beautiful video!

[DMV64]

On 3/19/2018 at 11:50 PM, JanCarol said:

Royal Desmodium

I ordered this. I am wondering if a rise in allergy response could trigger a bad wave? I really was bottoming out yesterday. This morning a little better. Just feel like it has been 6 weeks since my updose and things "should" be more stable. Maybe that is wrong thinking. I was also off my estrogen patch for 6 days and was stuck in house for snow day Wednesday. I had taken the XYZAL antihistimine for three days but then stopped (last took Tuesday night) because I read here that it might not be a good idea when in a taper.  Not sure if it is better to take then or not take them?

So I am feeling discouraged I guess besides super anxious/dread/terror.

Plus my studio is kind of hanging in the balance, my partner is very nice but she is concerned about my ability to really be IN the business and as my friend she is just concerned about me. I so much want to be stable. I am trying to not overdo as much as I can. I really don't know what I will do if the studio folds, it scares me to think about it so I try not to. Free time is not my friend right now.

I have made efforts to make some new friends and I have a breakfast date with one woman from program this morning. Even though I feel scared I am going. 

So this is my update. I am hoping for more days in a row feeling normal. I just want to feel ok. Thanks for reading <3

[JanCarol]

Histamines can cause a wave.

 

Antihistamines can cause a wave too.

 

Histamines means that your system is overloaded, and so - when I am having an allergy attack, I am grumpy, volatile, and irritable.

When I take an antihistamine, it makes me feel soupy and mean.  The symptoms of the histamines (swelling, itchy, redness, mucous, clogged sinuses, runny eyes, raw throat) go away, but then I'm left with dry mouth, and I can be extremely crabby because I'm too tired to do anything, but have to keep going.

 

It's kind of a rock and a hard place.

Here's what I reckon:  getting a puppy, there's going to be adjustment time.  You may even get used to her dander.  But there are other adjustments, too - walking, feeding, disruption of sleep, sleeping arrangements, toileting arrangements, having someone in your face who always wants your attention, having someone dependant upon you, that you cannot let them down (responsibility).  Lots of adjustments to make besides the dander.

 

I reckon it would take 3-6 months to acclimate this new companion into your schedule and life.  More, if you are in a state to begin with.  I would not have recommended getting a puppy at this time.  But now that you have the puppy - make the best of it. and plan to ride this out, like another form of wave.  It may get harder before it gets easier, and there are the upsides of having this creature companion in your life - warm fuzzies, hugs, kisses, waggling tails, and unconditional love.  It will likely be worth it!

If you adjust your diet to lower your histamine levels, the pup dog may not be as irritating.

Have you tried the sinus steam yet?

 

I hope you see the sun today!

[DMV64]

1 hour ago, JanCarol said:

sinus steam

I have not tried this yet. But I will. My allergy symptoms seem a bit better, maybe adjusting, but my withdrawal symptoms are back in full force. I mean seriously. I thought I was headed to the hospital yesterday. I feel stupid for thinking I could get a dog without a reaction. I hope my system adjusts because going back to the deep terror feels like more than I can take. And I am only assuming it is from histimine overload.

I cannot tell which is better (for my taper and panic) - take it or do not take it?

Actually--I had another question about the Vyvanse. It definitely feels like it contributes to my morning anxiety. Old doc said no withdrawal to stop it. This cannot be true right? Because if it is I would like to stop it. 

: ) I did run today

-D

 

[manymoretodays]

Hi DMV,

 

That's what my........around my age, last pdoc said too...........it wasn't easy, that's what I will say about that. 

 

And maybe.........hmmm.........a couple more months and I shall pay my last pdoc a visit.  GP and dentist visits are almost up to date so what have I got to lose.  She's basically decent.  Buddhist.  Goddesslike.........she might listen or not.  It might be fun?  For the $40.00 U.S.D. co pay though........I think I should go to a concert or something first.

 

You are not on much as far as accelerators go and my concern would be that you would find yourself in a sluggish dark hole without the Vyvanse stimulation at this point.  Which often makes anxiety or that sympathetic overdrive feeling(just my latest in wordage, pay no mind) feel like a picnic in the Springtime.  For me anyway.......being slightly revved up beats the black hole anytime.     And you are distracting, getting social, using movement, as well as getting a better understanding along the way of how this all works.  And of course the Vyvanse isn't an SSRI.......it's not so much the dependence........ as the addictive nature and then of course.........not certain, but I think tolerance is the most correct term to use here.  You are maintaining on a low dose now.......and that is good.  That's pretty much what I did.  Then after 7 mos. on adderal or your basic shorter acting amphetamine salts(Me), I got off of it.  Then waited it out again to get off of Trileptal/oxcarbazapine.  I know it's different.......yet somewhat the same.........and if I were you I'd do your best to stick with just one medication/drug now at a time.   Even if it's just getting dosing intervals straightened out.

 

I think the plan was to get you down low on the Saphris and then possibly off.  As both your Saphris and Geodon are antipsychotics.........and quite possibly fatigue inducing.......they should have never been prescribed how they were but that's all hindsight now, unfortunately .  They can be weird in their effects though.  I did okay briefly on Geodon........was also on Lexapro as my accelerator.  It got weird though.......I definitely experienced the morning hangover effect on Geodon.  Saphris, as far as I can tell is only minimally better as an antipsychotic, often used for a brake, and probably everything else under the sun..............in that it, so far, has less effect on the liver enzymes.

 

Right now you are working on moving your Klonopin dose toward the evening and nothing else.  No other changes for now.  And you haven't crashed after the rapid Saphris reduction either.  That's a good thing.  Promising.  Hopeful.

 

Try and work really hard on clarity with your note taking.  And know that we are all whoop, hooping it up with our teacups and honey and gluten free biscuits, as you get that 2nd klonopin dose moved later in the day.........well, I am whoop hooping anyway!!!!!  Beautiful day today........the rains and darkness in the morning but warmer and now some sunshiney perfection.  A beauticious friday........and ahhhhhhhh.

 

I know it's tough.  (((((DMV))))).......That hug is for you......not the division of motor vehicles........I mean they are okay by me as far as an institution goes.........yet kind of like the post office or something.........and I ramble on......

 

Love, peace, healing/inrecovery, and growth baby growth,

mmt

Edited March 23, 2018 by manymoretodays
some grammar, punctuation

[DMV64]

1 hour ago, manymoretodays said:

sympathetic overdrive feeling

For me, the deep terror and panic is worse.Not that the pit of depression is a picnic. So thats why wanting to not add the pounding heart Vyvanse effect. 

I unfortunately did find myself in a bad place after that rapid taper. Again, hard not to beat myself up. It has taken 6 weeks to start to stablize but now I am thrown back again due to either the dog thing, hormones or both. I honestly am not sure how I am making it through my mornings. Lots of reaching for tools.

The plan is to get me off Saphris and hopefully Geoden too. Or at least down more. Then work on klonopin. I would like to be free as possible. 

The later afternoons and evenings come and I feel normal. I have no idea why this still is so, my klonopin is almost 10 hours apart.

[DMV64]

1 hour ago, manymoretodays said:

I mean they are okay by me as far as an institution goes

You are funny MMT. You make me laugh.

[JanCarol]

Hey D - 

 

Sorry you are struggling again.

 

MMT has guided you with great wisdom - she has more experience with these "daily speed" drugs than I ever would.  Your old doc was - not exactly wrong - if Vyvanse were the only drug you were ever on, and you were stable, you might be able to escape it with just a few weeks of misery and disruption.  However, that is not the case here.  It's an entangled mess of neurotransmitters - up - down - and in my lady's chamber (oh my!), that you will want to untangle carefully.

 

I agree, it would be better to get rid of one of the neuroleptics (Saphris or Geodon), or at least get it way down before addressing the Vyvanse.

 

Here's what I perceive is happening - you are on 2 major tranquillisers.  There is a thing that happens called a "paradoxical effect" when you are so sedated that your system is convinced you are going to die, and so it fires all your nerves to make sure you stay alive.  Add the Vyvanse to that, and that would only emphasize the jittery parts of this paradoxical effect.

 

When nerves and anxiety, and heart pounding is the issue, you can't do much better than Claire Weekes:

Dr. Claire Weekes - Recovering from a Sensitized Nervous System

 

Quote

If your body trembles, let it tremble. Don't feel obliged to try to stop it. Don't try to appear normal. Don't even strive for relaxation. Simply let the thought of relaxation be in your mind, in your attitude toward your body. Loosen your attitude. In other words, don't be too concerned because you are tense and cannot relax. The very act of being prepared to accept your tenseness relaxes your mind, and relaxation of body gradually follows. You don't have to strive for relaxation. You have to wait for it. When a patient says, "I have tried so hard all day to be relaxed," surely he has had a day of striving, not of relaxation. Let your body find its own level without controlling it, directing it. Believe me, if you do this, you will not crack. You will not lose control of yourself. You will float up from the depths of despair. 

 

The relief of loosening your tense hold on yourself, of giving up the struggle and recognizing that there is no battle to fight - except of your own making - may bring a calmness you have forgotten existed within you. In your tense effort to control yourself you have been releasing more and more adrenaline and so further exciting your organs to produce the very sensations from which you have been trying to escape. 

 

AAFT - Acknowledge, Accept, Float, Time

 

T is for:.... 'letting TIME pass. There is no electric switch no overnight cure. Setbacks should be expected and accepted as part of recovery.' 

 

(from Claire Weekes, I believe Time was added by BrassMonkey)

 

 

and have you seen this?

Yoga for Anxiety

 

There is a yoga studio in my neighbourhood which offers specific yoga for mood:  http://pineriversyoga.com/index.php?web_page_name=201805FloF  

 

I know you have a regular yoga practice, but do you use your practice to help with your symptoms?

 

Anxiety will not kill you.  It is a natural firing of your fight-or-flight system.  It's what you do with the fired up nervous system that matters.  Be curious about it, ask it questions, dialogue with it:  What is this about?  Did something set you (the body) off?  What do you need right now?  Is there something I can address that will help you?  

Sometimes the dialogue is enough to settle the symptoms.  Sometimes the dialogue will point you to a way through the symptoms.  It's not a sure-fire thing, and it takes practice, curiosity, and gratitude to have this dialogue practice be successful.

 

So often we say, "Oh it's just generalized anxiety."  Really?  That's a term that doctors use in diagnosis, and I suspect it's diag-nonsense.  Because every time I've dialogued face to face with an anxious person, if we pursue the feeling, follow it down, there's always something there.  "That guy has been getting creepy with me again," or "I'm concerned that the new class I'm taking will be overwhelming," or "I'm afraid to eat," or, "I saw that woman again last night," or or or or - of course the possibilities are infinite.  And it does take some skill to follow it down, but you can do this!

 

I hope you have a terrific day!  And see the sun!  (and enjoy your puppy!)

 

 

[JanCarol]

I was reading the Claire Weekes quote "Let your body tremble," and I also thought about the other direction.

 

Instead of trying to calm down - turn your anxiety into excitement. 

 

Put on some head-banging or heel-kicking music and dance, shake, shimmy - let your nerves rattle all they want.

 

One of the things our culture doesn't do much is dance.  We parade, we aerobicize, we march around doing our errands (and often we drive too much), and we sit a lot.  

 

When we were in tribes, we would gather regularly and express ourselves physically by the fire.  This became formalized and structured, until we ended up with things like minuets and formal dances - excellent for relating to each other - but not so much the wild expression of the dance around the fire.  

 

The 60's and 70's, and Rock free-for-all dancing (think;  "Grateful Dead") has helped bring this level of expression out.

 

So that's the other possibility - instead of trying to push your nerves down, let them out - roll around on the floor and scream (if you can) and pound the floor or jump up and down and shake and cry.  Your nerves won't do it forever, and it may be tiring, but I'll bet you can get results this way, too.  Maybe start the dialogue of self-inquiry after you've rattled it out first?

[DMV64]

12 hours ago, JanCarol said:

Claire Weekes

Hello! Thank you for all the info...

i have the Hope and Help for your Nerves book which has been a great help. I guess this is different? I will check on it.

I guess I could stand the heart pounding if it didn't come with the deep fear/dread agoraphobia feeling like I cannot be in this world, just afraid of everything. It is a terrible feeling. And honestly I do not know why it is back in full force right now other than the histimine balance. I think it was actually better when I took the antihistimine, and can blasting on when I stopped it. I am considering trying it again. Because really my business is suffering. I am doing the best I can but the fear can be paralyzing.

I have practiced the dialogue a bit through Tara Brach, what comes up a lot is a fear of emptyiness, stretches of unstructured time, big life questions: What is my life about? What is next? Will I always feel this way?

 

I love dancing! I have been doing some Kundalini shaking, I think it helps. Also will check out the yoga for anxiety link.

Today is moderate. I pray for mild.

[DMV64]

14 hours ago, JanCarol said:

So that's the other possibility

What do we think about a slight updose of the Saphris? Currently holding at 1.2. I really am struggling and feel I need to try something besides time right now.

[DMV64]

Just now, DMV64 said:

What do we think about a slight updose of the Saphris? Currently holding at 1.2. I really am struggling and feel I need to try something besides time right now.

or maybe the Geoden?

[DMV64]

2 minutes ago, DMV64 said:

or maybe the Geoden?

Sorry multiple posts here. Fried brain. Doc is suggesting updose Klonopin. I do not think this will do it. This has been my experience in past endeavors anyway. Xanax will help, I don't seem to have a problem stopping xanax, no idea why, but I really feel if I am going to updose it is Geoden or Saphris. And I feel like i need to do something.

[JanCarol]

If you are going to updose, do not updose the benzo.

 

Think of the benzo as a slippery slope or a camel's nose in the tent.  You let a little in, next thing you know, you are burdened with the whole camel.  Xanax is extremely short acting, and extremely dangerous, as a result.  Don't be fooled by previous stoppages, that may have been another lynch pin in your destabilisation.

 

How has the splitting of the Klonopin been?  Is it helping with morning anxiety?

 

So - if you want to updose....OK - you've got your Geodon split into 2 doses.  If you increase one, I'd suggest the Geodon, since it seems to help the most, and we want to get rid of the Saphris first.  It seemed to have more side effects, and is trickier to taper.

 

I still don't understand how much Geodon you are taking and when from your signature.  I show that you are 16.2 mg.  Is this 12 mg in the morning and 4.2 mg in evening?  Why don't you try 5 mg in the evening?  That's just a 5% increase in total dose.  5 mg is 1/4 of a tablet, so you could take your evening dose dry (instead of liquid).  

I'm glad you've got the Claire Weekes book.  Have you seen videos of her?  She is so - motherly (or auntie-like) - and compassionate, and yet very sensible in how she presents herself.  There should be videos of her at the link I sent you.

 

I hope you see the sun today!

 

 

[DMV64]

10 hours ago, JanCarol said:

Why don't you try 5 mg in the evening?

I think what you are saying is the way I am splitting. You know how I am with the maths. Ugh. I am taking 80% of the total 20mg capsule, dissolved in 100 ML water, split into 60ML at 11 and 20ML at dinner. I toss the rest. Honestly I am not sure what that slight updose would be in ML? Maybe you can help. I have also messaged with InvisibleUnless about the possible effects of antihistimines and histimine increase on my taper and symptoms. Complicated but it seems there is a definite possible effect. If I understand it right, it is possible the antihistimes kind of dampen down my symptoms and so when I stopped them I flared. I took one last night and I feel better this morning. Not really sure the solution there, as I would rather not take them but they are helping me with my allergies and the pup (so great!) and also it seems helping with symptoms or at least holding down a flare/wave.

Seeing doc Tuesday. I will also talk to her about the benzo updose vs Geoden. Good thing is she called me on Saturday to try to fit me in Tuesday.

-D

[DMV64]

10 hours ago, JanCarol said:

How has the splitting of the Klonopin been?  Is it helping with morning anxiety?

 

I think so but it is hard to tell right now, with this wave and the pup. 

Almost at 12 hours apart.

I have not seen Claire Weekes videos...will check that out!

[DMV64]

11 hours ago, JanCarol said:

Saphris first. 

I just cannot believe how hard it is for me to escape this drug. Trying to sneak away from the bear and having such a time

[JanCarol]

Hey D - 

 

How do you know it's 80% of the capsule / tablet?  (Geodon is a tablet, right?)  

 

What is the total weight of the tablet?  The strength is 20 mg, right?

What is the weight of what you are putting in the liquid?

 

80% of 20 mg is 16.2.

 

To updose your evening to 5 mg instead of 4.2, would be 17 mg of dose. (in your signature, please report doses, not % of liquid.  Doing this helps the mods - and it will help you - because - if you don't learn the maths - I'm sorry - if you don't learn the maths, you will make mistakes.  We're willing to help with the maths, but it will be so much easier for you if you understand them.)

 

If I know the weight of your tablet, I can tell you what your daily powder would weigh, and I can tell you what 80 ml and 20 ml would be in dosage.  

 

It's a matter of increasing the powder that you put in your 100 ml. 

 

I'll be looking for your message.

[DMV64]

1 hour ago, JanCarol said:

Geodon is a tablet, right?

Geoden is a capsule. I empty all of a 20mg capsule into 100ML of water. I shake. I measure out 60ML and drink at 11AM. I measure out 20ML more to save for dinner, I toss the rest.

I have a real math disability. I am not trying to be difficult. I need help.

I have not weighed the capsule, just using the above. Can we figure it from this?

Let me know, I do have the Gemini-20 but hope to not have to go there.

-D

[DMV64]

i will try to share whatever is relevant from any messaging. I am sorry I really look at all that math and it may seem simple to most but it looks like scramble to me. I am dissolving the contents of the capsule in 100 WATER. BUT I HAD TAPERED TO 80ML previously and so that’s what I mean when I say I am taking a total dose of 80% of the full 20mg capsule. Split into 2 doses. 60% of the total. 20% at night. Toss the rest. 

[DMV64]

I really need to find some ground. I appreciate the help. I guess I should not have gotten the pup. But I am here now. 

[manymoretodays]

Hi DMV64,

Okay.  I will try to simplify on the math as much as possible........taking into account........ your wish not to involve the Gemini-20 scale.

One important question first?

How long have you been dissolving the contents of your Geodon capsule in water?  Even a approximate time frame will help.  Days?  Weeks?  Date of changing  the Geodon formulation would be best of all  ?  Just do your best in answering.

.....standing by and will confer on this as well.......so bear with me if my response comes later today....... U.S. mountain time.......getting close to 1 p.m. or the 1300 hour(military time).

 

I'll get back to you ASAP........pending further moderator input as well.

Edited March 25, 2018 by manymoretodays

[DMV64]

1 minute ago, manymoretodays said:

Geodon

Months. I began my taper with Geoden and switched to Saphris. Maybe 6 months? Split the dose more recently maybe 6 weeks or two months ago

[manymoretodays]

Okay......great.  Thank you.

And dinnertime= 7:30 pm or 19:30(military time)?

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Just now, manymoretodays said:

dinnertime

730 pm est yes