MiguelFreeman: question about Lexapro

[Alice1]

Hey Miguel ,

I also vape and I too get suicidal depressed when I make a nic cut .. Nicotine WD symptoms alone are things like depression and agitation .. I got to 1 mg of nic and then started to reduce the actual vaping itself .. I used to vape constantly all day but now I vape here and there .. I don't know if vaping is doing any harm , but I do know that worrying about vaping is doing the most harm .. If that makes sense ..

[MiguelFreeman]

2 hours ago, Alice1 said:

Hey Miguel ,

I also vape and I too get suicidal depressed when I make a nic cut .. Nicotine WD symptoms alone are things like depression and agitation .. I got to 1 mg of nic and then started to reduce the actual vaping itself .. I used to vape constantly all day but now I vape here and there .. I don't know if vaping is doing any harm , but I do know that worrying about vaping is doing the most harm .. If that makes sense ..

 

2 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Good to hear you're feeling better.

 

Please consult Dr. Google about ways to taper your vaping. Clearly, it's better for you if you go off.

Vaping is safer then cigs I started occasionally vaping now and I am feeling better I have noticed that my CNS  was a bit destabilized but its slowing stabilizing 

a question for you Altostrata I have been having like dizziness and fatigue that feels like a sudden drop in blood pressure for like 4 months and I have starting to notice that my bp is not changing that much when it happens 

and my heart rate is going up before meds I normally had like 65 to 75 bpm resting then on meds it lower to 50 -60 range and now it's going back to 65 -75 sometimes even 80

I workout so don't know if its related to the Lexapro those feelings of dizziness and fatigue and sleepiness that come from nowhere and last for like 25 m and go away 

do I tell this to my GP so she can run some examples or is it related to withdrawals 

she might try to change the meds but ofc I will refuse it don't wanna take the risk and it backfiring on me.

[Altostrata]

On 12/1/2017 at 4:27 PM, ChessieCat said:

Yes, changes in mood are "normal" in withdrawal.  It's good that you are learning CBT.  It does take practice so you will need to keep doing it.  Please see:  Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilization

 

[MiguelFreeman]

5 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

 

soo moods influence Blood pressure and Dizziness and heart rate 

[Altostrata]

No, Miguel, if you read the topic, the link for which you have been given several times, you would know that you can get waves and windows of physical symptoms, too.

 

Please read the links we give you. The staff is all volunteer and we would like to think we are not wasting our time.

[MiguelFreeman]

3 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

No, Miguel, if you read the topic, the link for which you have been given several times, you would know that you can get waves and windows of physical symptoms, too.

 

Please read the links we give you. The staff is all volunteer and we would like to think we are not wasting our time.

ty i have read it  after i posted i finish reading it 

[Altostrata]

You can definitely make withdrawal symptoms worse by brooding about them.

[MiguelFreeman]

1 minute ago, Altostrata said:

You can definitely make withdrawal symptoms worse by brooding about them.

You are completly right i need to stop caring about what whitdrawl i  feeling and just relax and accept the situation

[MiguelFreeman]

hi all 

i was reading the gastrointestinal problems post but I could not  find my shelf to discover what I was looking for

 

I have been having episodes of Cramps burning feeling and brown yellows fezes for a while )

the cramps and burning feeling rarely happen but when they do they are severe and make me feel really bad off

today I had one episode like that and it was pretty bad and happen after the gym I think it might have triggered 

it 

the gastrointestinal problems are burning feeling in the colon and then it spreads to the entire abdominal wall, cramps and pain in the lower part of the rectum and in the pelvis, and anxiety 

and I have noticed that  when I get a flare up of Wd Symptoms and problems 

I get like tinnitus and bamm it all stops 

back to normal 

feels like the brain  gives me the tinnitus like a sign that it stopped the changes 

any advice 

I did see the post but wasn't able to find in case you find something talking about it their pls link me 

ty for your time 

MiguelFreeman

 

[Skeeter]

Miguel,

I had a heck of a time on generic Lexapro in regards to stomach and GI issues.  I had to switch to Lexapro (brand name), because they put a coating on the generic version that made me sick for months.  I had stomach pain, and bloating, and spasms in my intestines.  The instant I switched to Lexapro brand name tablets, it was HEAVEN. I will let you know if the liquid Lexapro DOES hav the same ingredient that they put in the generic Lexapro. My guess is no, because they use it in the coating. Your stomach issues sound very familiar to mine.  It was hell!

 

I also see you note feeling down and suicidal after working out.  Please try to decrease the intensity of your workout.  We have had "gym rats" (people who work out all the time) have to stop during withdrawal.  I know you went to the gym because of rage issues, but please try to tone down your workouts.  Exercise intolerance is what it is called. No heavy lifting of weights, maybe try lighter weights for more reps, if that does not change things, you might try taking an exercise vacation.  it is up to you.  I am not sure how long you feel awful after working out.  You need to decide if wearing your body out while your body is working to deal with the effects of withdrawal is worth it.

[Skeeter]

Post 2:

Cipralex does not appear to have the offending ingredient that many people have GI issues with.  Make sure you take it with food for sure,a full meal is best.  If you are taking that now, I am truly sorry you are still having stomach issues.  I was not able to read your entire thread, I apologize for that.

 

Your heart rate before your dose is not worrisome to me.  the normal heart rate is between 60-100 beats a minute.  60-80 is the norm, but even a bit over that is nothing to worry about unless you are having chest pains or problems breathing, which I would not expect in anyone your age at all.

 

Be well!

Skeeter

[MiguelFreeman]

23 minutes ago, Skeeter said:

Miguel,

I had a heck of a time on generic Lexapro in regards to stomach and GI issues.  I had to switch to Lexapro (brand name), because they put a coating on the generic version that made me sick for months.  I had stomach pain, and bloating, and spasms in my intestines.  The instant I switched to Lexapro brand name tablets, it was HEAVEN. I will let you know if the liquid Lexapro DOES hav the same ingredient that they put in the generic Lexapro. My guess is no, because they use it in the coating. Your stomach issues sound very familiar to mine.  It was hell!

 

I also see you note feeling down and suicidal after working out.  Please try to decrease the intensity of your workout.  We have had "gym rats" (people who work out all the time) have to stop during withdrawal.  I know you went to the gym because of rage issues, but please try to tone down your workouts.  Exercise intolerance is what it is called. No heavy lifting of weights, maybe try lighter weights for more reps, if that does not change things, you might try taking an exercise vacation.  it is up to you.  I am not sure how long you feel awful after working out.  You need to decide if wearing your body out while your body is working to deal with the effects of withdrawal is worth it.

ty for your help

I was wondering if the tablets could cause that 

I will try to switch to liquid Cipralex so I don't have those problems 

but I am starting to notice that my brain is doing a lot of changes 

just by the amount of tinnitus, I am getting

in the past I would feel bad then tinnitus came and I will fill ok again 

like the tinnitus, if the way of my brain telling me its making changes 

I was really afraid that I had developed IBS

but well I need to stop being soo hypochondriac( Health anxiety)

in the past, I was never like this but this drug can make you change pretty fast 

currently holding I will try to get a hold of the Cipralex liquid just hope I don't get some bad reaction to it 

 

they symptoms of the Gi problems are infrequent I can go almost 1 mouth no problem  or in 1 mouth have like 2 or more attacks like that and it sucks because you feel like you have a panic attack while whit full pain and burning on the abdominal cavity 

but I am going hard on the gym and that might be the problem I will reduce the weight and go for high reps 

I am still using the homemade liquid btw 

hope I can switch to the liquid Lexapro the problem is that its a bit more expensive and I don't know if my mother can afford it since I am unemployed

 

PS:

I also quite nicotine in the past 3 days but I have had those gi problems before quitting nicotine and I also quit coffee in the past week

[Skeeter]

Miguel,

Now do not change too many things at once.  Great job on the vaping.  Now quitting coffee can have side effects of headaches, and some other minor things.  Now that your GI issues are so spread out, it is up to you if you wish to change to the liquid.  I do not want to put a strain on your mother.  It could be the decreased dose that calmed your gut, or changing to a homemade liquid, my have helped.  I know what it is like when money is a problem, so think carefully before you decide. You may find that quitting coffee may be the last thing you geed to do.  it is very acidic.  Between that and the lower dose, you may be fine on your homemade liquid.  Please hear me on this.

 

Now I did not mean high reps, as in wear yourself out, because you will feel the same crappy way you do now after a workout.  Try slowing down a bit, take extra breaks, no maxxing out, okay?  If this does not work, next is an exercise vacation if this does not work.  I do not know if the tradeoff is worth it for you- see if you feel better by lightening things up a bit, first, is my opinion.

 

It is normal to worry about our health when you are having issues.  But if it is on your mind all of the time, then it becomes its own monster, and you do not need that.  I hope you are still meditating, and working on relaxation.  I am happy you are not having constant GI problems anymore.  it is hard to see that you are getting better, but it seems as if you are doing a bit better than when you first came, anyway, and that is good.  I hope you are thankful for that part, anyways.

 

Be well!

Skeeter

 

 

[MiguelFreeman]

20 hours ago, Skeeter said:

Miguel,

Now do not change too many things at once.  Great job on the vaping.  Now quitting coffee can have side effects of headaches, and some other minor things.  Now that your GI issues are so spread out, it is up to you if you wish to change to the liquid.  I do not want to put a strain on your mother.  It could be the decreased dose that calmed your gut, or changing to a homemade liquid, my have helped.  I know what it is like when money is a problem, so think carefully before you decide. You may find that quitting coffee may be the last thing you geed to do.  it is very acidic.  Between that and the lower dose, you may be fine on your homemade liquid.  Please hear me on this.

 

Now I did not mean high reps, as in wear yourself out, because you will feel the same crappy way you do now after a workout.  Try slowing down a bit, take extra breaks, no maxxing out, okay?  If this does not work, next is an exercise vacation if this does not work.  I do not know if the tradeoff is worth it for you- see if you feel better by lightening things up a bit, first, is my opinion.

 

It is normal to worry about our health when you are having issues.  But if it is on your mind all of the time, then it becomes its own monster, and you do not need that.  I hope you are still meditating, and working on relaxation.  I am happy you are not having constant GI problems anymore.  it is hard to see that you are getting better, but it seems as if you are doing a bit better than when you first came, anyway, and that is good.  I hope you are thankful for that part, anyways.

 

Be well!

Skeeter

 

 

I have already been coffee free for over 1 week and on the nicotine, I am on day 4 on thing I am noticing the lightheadedness and dizziness are not related to the blood pressure 

I am still making

my recherche

to see if it's related

to the withdrawals or not 

I think that the symptoms are from the latest cut

My mother said that I can switch to the liquid there's no problem but i 

am thinking about only switching at lower dosages

What is your opinion on that?

 

[MiguelFreeman]

22 hours ago, Skeeter said:

Miguel,

Now do not change too many things at once.  Great job on the vaping.  Now quitting coffee can have side effects of headaches, and some other minor things.  Now that your GI issues are so spread out, it is up to you if you wish to change to the liquid.  I do not want to put a strain on your mother.  It could be the decreased dose that calmed your gut, or changing to a homemade liquid, my have helped.  I know what it is like when money is a problem, so think carefully before you decide. You may find that quitting coffee may be the last thing you geed to do.  it is very acidic.  Between that and the lower dose, you may be fine on your homemade liquid.  Please hear me on this.

 

Now I did not mean high reps, as in wear yourself out, because you will feel the same crappy way you do now after a workout.  Try slowing down a bit, take extra breaks, no maxxing out, okay?  If this does not work, next is an exercise vacation if this does not work.  I do not know if the tradeoff is worth it for you- see if you feel better by lightening things up a bit, first, is my opinion.

 

It is normal to worry about our health when you are having issues.  But if it is on your mind all of the time, then it becomes its own monster, and you do not need that.  I hope you are still meditating, and working on relaxation.  I am happy you are not having constant GI problems anymore.  it is hard to see that you are getting better, but it seems as if you are doing a bit better than when you first came, anyway, and that is good.  I hope you are thankful for that part, anyways.

 

Be well!

Skeeter

 

 

Ps: I have discovered that Nicotine Withdrawals can actually cause Gi problems  today I have felt the same sensitivity and pain but it was less  and my Fecal Metter has changed colour from yellowish brown to Brown

this sucks but well 

I wonder if it might have something to do whit the time i take my med 

[Skeeter]

Miguel,

If you do wish to change the time of your dose, we suggest that you change it by one hour per day until you get to the new time you like to try.

 

Remember, if you still feel crappy after working out, you are still doing too much.  our energy is better spent letting our mind and body heal.  As has been said o this site many times before, AD's "rewire" your brain so to speak, so it takes a lot of energy to undo the changes.  I have not yet found a person in WD able to do the same workout they could when not in WD.  Most have to stop exercising completely, except for yoga.  Yes, you are young, but the thing you need to keep in mind is if you are having a depression after working out, even after going as light as you are willing to go, maybe your body is telling you to take a break for a while.  I am not saying stop forever, just for a while.

 

Be well!

Skeeter

[MiguelFreeman]

2 hours ago, Skeeter said:

Miguel,

If you do wish to change the time of your dose, we suggest that you change it by one hour per day until you get to the new time you like to try.

 

Remember, if you still feel crappy after working out, you are still doing too much.  our energy is better spent letting our mind and body heal.  As has been said o this site many times before, AD's "rewire" your brain so to speak, so it takes a lot of energy to undo the changes.  I have not yet found a person in WD able to do the same workout they could when not in WD.  Most have to stop exercising completely, except for yoga.  Yes, you are young, but the thing you need to keep in mind is if you are having a depression after working out, even after going as light as you are willing to go, maybe your body is telling you to take a break for a while.  I am not saying stop forever, just for a while.

 

Be well!

Skeeter

I have been pretty inconsistent whit med time it changes max like 2 hours sometimes I haven't work out today and tomorrow will probably not work out if I go, will go easy on my shelf 

[Skeeter]

 Miguel,

I am very proud of you for listening on the exercise.  I have felt what you do after exercise, and it is an awful feeling.  It is better off to start light, than go back to a heavy workout and to suffer feeling awful afterwards.  It may be tempting to work out harder, but keep how you will feel later in your mind the whole time.  Good job on the stopping vaping and coffee.  I hope you are not feeling too ill from those two things.  Some people choose to stop caffeine altogether during AD WD, but that is a personal choice.

 

Lexapro/escitalopram is stronger than other antidepressants, so be very careful.   One very common side effect from going too quickly for your body is feeling tired more than usual (feeling tired during the day after a full night of sleep, for example), sleeping more than usual, etc.  Other signs and symptoms can be the usual AD WD issues, like malaise (feeling ill), lethargy, pretty much anything that is unusual for you.  The BrassMonkey Slide is a great tool, but may or may not be slow enough for you.  The problem with this drug and tapering is that for some people, they ignore just feeling more tired than usual (I have read so many cases of this, because I need to taper this drug myself), and tiredness or minor symptoms can end up being huge issues after reaching 0mg if ignored, if one does not take a break until the WD symptoms subside WHILE STILL ON THE DRUG.  You may choose to stay on a very low dose for  couple of months (or more, even) before finishing your taper, because this one is notorious for being awful once you totally stop taking it.  I am not saying this to scare you, rather to avoid you feeling as awful as I have for the last 2 years.

 

You seem like a very smart man, I do hope what I say is helpful to you.  I only want the best for you, do not want what happened to me to happen to you.  Had this happened t me when I was your age, I could not have tolerated it.  I am proud of you for doing everything you can to feel as good as you can .Great job!!

 

Be well,

Skeeter

 

 

[MiguelFreeman]

41 minutes ago, Skeeter said:

 Miguel,

I am very proud of you for listening on the exercise.  I have felt what you do after exercise, and it is an awful feeling.  It is better off to start light, than go back to a heavy workout and to suffer feeling awful afterwards.  It may be tempting to work out harder, but keep how you will feel later in your mind the whole time.  Good job on the stopping vaping and coffee.  I hope you are not feeling too ill from those two things.  Some people choose to stop caffeine altogether during AD WD, but that is a personal choice.

 

Lexapro/escitalopram is stronger than other antidepressants, so be very careful.   One very common side effect from going too quickly for your body is feeling tired more than usual (feeling tired during the day after a full night of sleep, for example), sleeping more than usual, etc.  Other signs and symptoms can be the usual AD WD issues, like malaise (feeling ill), lethargy, pretty much anything that is unusual for you.  The BrassMonkey Slide is a great tool, but may or may not be slow enough for you.  The problem with this drug and tapering is that for some people, they ignore just feeling more tired than usual (I have read so many cases of this, because I need to taper this drug myself), and tiredness or minor symptoms can end up being huge issues after reaching 0mg if ignored, if one does not take a break until the WD symptoms subside WHILE STILL ON THE DRUG.  You may choose to stay on a very low dose for  couple of months (or more, even) before finishing your taper, because this one is notorious for being awful once you totally stop taking it.  I am not saying this to scare you, rather to avoid you feeling as awful as I have for the last 2 years.

 

You seem like a very smart man, I do hope what I say is helpful to you.  I only want the best for you, do not want what happened to me to happen to you.  Had this happened t me when I was your age, I could not have tolerated it.  I am proud of you for doing everything you can to feel as good as you can .Great job!!

 

Be well,

Skeeter

 

 

Ty for your advice i will always take your and other admins advice 

Right now i am on a hold will probably hold for 2 mouths maybe 

Right now its 06 am and only now starting to get sleepy i woke up at 15:45 in the evening , i am also starting to notice some symptoms i have been having alot of shaking my leg meaning i am having an anxiety spike or restenesses word prob wrong but i am my phone so no autocorrect 

But ty for your advice 

I am gonna start making big hold now and then to help the brain out

[Skeeter]

Miguel,

Great job!  I agree with a hold based on the symptoms you are having right now.  If no one has told you this yet, it is best to keep a pen and paper log of when you take your medication, the time you wake up and go to bed, and any symptoms you have each day.  Due to WD, most of us have problems thinking, or "Brain fog", and it is super easy to forget later about when or even if you had a specific symptom.  Esp with the varied times you take your meds, I can see this being a helpful tool for you, and you can also track when your GI system fires up, and you can look for a pattern.  If yo are concerned it is related to some specific foods, you can even write what you ate in your daily log, honestly, it is a helpful tool!

 

If you do decide to change your dose time to a different time of day, start with the earliest time you take your meds, and move from there if you are going to earlier in the day.  If you have a cell phone, put an alarm app on there if you do not have one already, and set the alarm for an hour earlier each day until it is at the time that you want.  Having that alarm will help ensure that you do not forget to take it at the right time, and also help skipping doses.

 

Restlessness is the word you were thinking of, you English is very easy to read!

Be sure to update your signature so that we know you are on a hold, if there is room, you can write 6mg hold, due to symptoms.

[MiguelFreeman]

14 minutes ago, Skeeter said:

Miguel,

Great job!  I agree with a hold based on the symptoms you are having right now.  If no one has told you this yet, it is best to keep a pen and paper log of when you take your medication, the time you wake up and go to bed, and any symptoms you have each day.  Due to WD, most of us have problems thinking, or "Brain fog", and it is super easy to forget later about when or even if you had a specific symptom.  Esp with the varied times you take your meds, I can see this being a helpful tool for you, and you can also track when your GI system fires up, and you can look for a pattern.  If yo are concerned it is related to some specific foods, you can even write what you ate in your daily log, honestly, it is a helpful tool!

 

If you do decide to change your dose time to a different time of day, start with the earliest time you take your meds, and move from there if you are going to earlier in the day.  If you have a cell phone, put an alarm app on there if you do not have one already, and set the alarm for an hour earlier each day until it is at the time that you want.  Having that alarm will help ensure that you do not forget to take it at the right time, and also help skipping doses.

 

Restlessness is the word you were thinking of, you English is very easy to read!

Be sure to update your signature so that we know you are on a hold, if there is room, you can write 6mg hold, due to symptoms.

I will start using a alarm for the medicaton i do have a jornal but i only track the mental symptoms and brain fog i didn't even remenber to put it on the jornal but indeed sometimes i dont even remenber what i did on the previes day

[MiguelFreeman]

On 23/04/2018 at 6:15 AM, Skeeter said:

Miguel,

Great job!  I agree with a hold based on the symptoms you are having right now.  If no one has told you this yet, it is best to keep a pen and paper log of when you take your medication, the time you wake up and go to bed, and any symptoms you have each day.  Due to WD, most of us have problems thinking, or "Brain fog", and it is super easy to forget later about when or even if you had a specific symptom.  Esp with the varied times you take your meds, I can see this being a helpful tool for you, and you can also track when your GI system fires up, and you can look for a pattern.  If yo are concerned it is related to some specific foods, you can even write what you ate in your daily log, honestly, it is a helpful tool!

 

If you do decide to change your dose time to a different time of day, start with the earliest time you take your meds, and move from there if you are going to earlier in the day.  If you have a cell phone, put an alarm app on there if you do not have one already, and set the alarm for an hour earlier each day until it is at the time that you want.  Having that alarm will help ensure that you do not forget to take it at the right time, and also help skipping doses.

 

Restlessness is the word you were thinking of, you English is very easy to read!

Be sure to update your signature so that we know you are on a hold, if there is room, you can write 6mg hold, due to symptoms.

i have read your post and i will do the same has you from now on 

only 5 % taper per mouth and doing the brass monkey

 

[Skeeter]

Miguel,

I have to wait for a court date, but you are welcome to hold with me.   I want you to feel better, that is my only goal here, this is not a race, rther, a long, leisurly walk.  The less you stress over it, and accept you will be slowly tapering for a while, the better for you..  I am the exception here, but you will know from my thread that it did take me 24 months to feel well enough to taper again, but this was a mess caused by a benzo, not an AD (though that was a part at the very beginning of the story that brought me here, if you read my whole thread), and a mistake by a doctor with my benzodiazepine.  

 

I will check in every so often, and see if your side effects are any better.  If you go back to working out, please try an easy workout, and see how it goes.  Maybe some lighter hand weights than you are used to, and do sets of reps only until you get to fatigue, (not until you are a sweaty worn out mess), and then gauge how you feel after.

 

  Do you still feel the extreme rage/anger you did before? Has that been a problem since you stopped working out? 

 

  Now with a hold, if you start to feel better, a slow, symptoms-based taper might work for you, and, you might be able to work IF you wish to and IF you are up to it, but you need to be  much less symptomatic first.

 

You can be social here, if your English is up to it, you can post on my thread to see how I am doing, you can help other people by encouraging them, having someone stop in, and say "I hope you feel better soon!" can mean a lot to someone really struggling, like people have done here to help you.  How about visiting and reading about all of the people here that have helped you here on your thread (other than the mods, but you can do it to moderators too), you do not have to read their entire thread, you can just read the most recent parts, if reading their stories makes you feel worse inside, but then you are also helping the people that helped you.  Or, you could be doing that already...  If not, give it a try.  it feels good to encourage others.  Your English is very good, and only improving!!  If you are not sure of a word, ask, we are all kind people!!  if you are not getting out nd socializing with friends as much, socializing here can be rewarding too!  let me know what you think, if you like.  I think you understand what it feels like to be in WD, and you can help others with that knowledge.  You do not have to, it is just a suggestion.

 

Be well,

Skeeter

[MiguelFreeman]

1 hour ago, Skeeter said:

Miguel,

I have to wait for a court date, but you are welcome to hold with me.   I want you to feel better, that is my only goal here, this is not a race, rther, a long, leisurly walk.  The less you stress over it, and accept you will be slowly tapering for a while, the better for you..  I am the exception here, but you will know from my thread that it did take me 24 months to feel well enough to taper again, but this was a mess caused by a benzo, not an AD (though that was a part at the very beginning of the story that brought me here, if you read my whole thread), and a mistake by a doctor with my benzodiazepine.  

 

I will check in every so often, and see if your side effects are any better.  If you go back to working out, please try an easy workout, and see how it goes.  Maybe some lighter hand weights than you are used to, and do sets of reps only until you get to fatigue, (not until you are a sweaty worn out mess), and then gauge how you feel after.

 

  Do you still feel the extreme rage/anger you did before? Has that been a problem since you stopped working out? 

 

  Now with a hold, if you start to feel better, a slow, symptoms-based taper might work for you, and, you might be able to work IF you wish to and IF you are up to it, but you need to be  much less symptomatic first.

 

You can be social here, if your English is up to it, you can post on my thread to see how I am doing, you can help other people by encouraging them, having someone stop in, and say "I hope you feel better soon!" can mean a lot to someone really struggling, like people have done here to help you.  How about visiting and reading about all of the people here that have helped you here on your thread (other than the mods, but you can do it to moderators too), you do not have to read their entire thread, you can just read the most recent parts, if reading their stories makes you feel worse inside, but then you are also helping the people that helped you.  Or, you could be doing that already...  If not, give it a try.  it feels good to encourage others.  Your English is very good, and only improving!!  If you are not sure of a word, ask, we are all kind people!!  if you are not getting out nd socializing with friends as much, socializing here can be rewarding too!  let me know what you think, if you like.  I think you understand what it feels like to be in WD, and you can help others with that knowledge.  You do not have to, it is just a suggestion.

 

Be well,

Skeeter

yes i will try to be more active on others post right now i have been helping one member and i even talk by voice 

[MiguelFreeman]

2 hours ago, Skeeter said:

Miguel,

I have to wait for a court date, but you are welcome to hold with me.   I want you to feel better, that is my only goal here, this is not a race, rther, a long, leisurly walk.  The less you stress over it, and accept you will be slowly tapering for a while, the better for you..  I am the exception here, but you will know from my thread that it did take me 24 months to feel well enough to taper again, but this was a mess caused by a benzo, not an AD (though that was a part at the very beginning of the story that brought me here, if you read my whole thread), and a mistake by a doctor with my benzodiazepine.  

 

I will check in every so often, and see if your side effects are any better.  If you go back to working out, please try an easy workout, and see how it goes.  Maybe some lighter hand weights than you are used to, and do sets of reps only until you get to fatigue, (not until you are a sweaty worn out mess), and then gauge how you feel after.

 

  Do you still feel the extreme rage/anger you did before? Has that been a problem since you stopped working out? 

 

  Now with a hold, if you start to feel better, a slow, symptoms-based taper might work for you, and, you might be able to work IF you wish to and IF you are up to it, but you need to be  much less symptomatic first.

 

You can be social here, if your English is up to it, you can post on my thread to see how I am doing, you can help other people by encouraging them, having someone stop in, and say "I hope you feel better soon!" can mean a lot to someone really struggling, like people have done here to help you.  How about visiting and reading about all of the people here that have helped you here on your thread (other than the mods, but you can do it to moderators too), you do not have to read their entire thread, you can just read the most recent parts, if reading their stories makes you feel worse inside, but then you are also helping the people that helped you.  Or, you could be doing that already...  If not, give it a try.  it feels good to encourage others.  Your English is very good, and only improving!!  If you are not sure of a word, ask, we are all kind people!!  if you are not getting out nd socializing with friends as much, socializing here can be rewarding too!  let me know what you think, if you like.  I think you understand what it feels like to be in WD, and you can help others with that knowledge.  You do not have to, it is just a suggestion.

 

Be well,

Skeeter

the rages are gone i am stabilizing rather quickly  and my last workout didn't effect me 

[Skeeter]

Miguel,

Great job, maybe a hold was what you needed!!

Be well,

Skeeter

[MiguelFreeman]

1 minute ago, Skeeter said:

Miguel,

Great job, maybe a hold was what you needed!!

Be well,

Skeeter

right now i am talking a lot by voice whit a young member like me that is tapering the same drug and we helping each other 

if you wonna you can join has 

[Skeeter]

Miguel,

I am so pleased you have found someone who can relate.  Just make sure you do not go too fast trying to keep up with someone else, you can end up in an awful physical place again, and no one wants that.  I am so pleased you have more support, though!!! I am sorry if I misunderstood before, that you wanted to hold with me...lol.  I am a couple of months away from starting myself, as the date had to be moved.

 

Pay attention to how you are feeling, that is all I ask!

Great job!

Skeeter

 

 

[MiguelFreeman]

Just now, Skeeter said:

Miguel,

I am so pleased you have found someone who can relate.  Just make sure you do not go too fast trying to keep up with someone else, you can end up in an awful physical place again, and no one wants that.  I am so pleased you have more support, though!!! I am sorry if I misunderstood before, that you wanted to hold with me...lol.  I am a couple of months away from starting myself, as the date had to be moved.

 

Pay attention to how you are feeling, that is all I ask!

Great job!

Skeeter

 

 

ok

[MiguelFreeman]

14 hours ago, Skeeter said:

Miguel,

I am so pleased you have found someone who can relate.  Just make sure you do not go too fast trying to keep up with someone else, you can end up in an awful physical place again, and no one wants that.  I am so pleased you have more support, though!!! I am sorry if I misunderstood before, that you wanted to hold with me...lol.  I am a couple of months away from starting myself, as the date had to be moved.

 

Pay attention to how you are feeling, that is all I ask!

Great job!

Skeeter

 

 

Today i am having brain zap like headaches and low blood pressure 85/45.

[Altostrata]

Any guesses as to what may have triggered those symptoms?

 

What do you know about symptoms now, Miguel?

[MiguelFreeman]

12 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Any guesses as to what may have triggered those symptoms?

 

What do you know about symptoms now, Miguel?

I have quited coffe like 10 days ago and nicotine 7 days ago the symptoms shude not be like this and my blood presure is almost always low when i wake up the brain zaps started intensily but are commoing in waves now my last cut was like 15 day ago or longer the symptoms thay i had since the last cut was tinnitus,incresed confusion and brain fog and agitation and i been having ptsd atacks from when i Ct and the trigger are certain smeels in the house like my mother summer perfume that i already told her to stop using , i am being positive and i know it will pass i just posted here to keep a record on my whitdrawl page. But all help and advicr will be well accept

[Altostrata]

Are you drinking enough water?

[MiguelFreeman]

2 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Are you drinking enough water?

Yes at leasy 1.5 L min per day  the headached aready stoped but they started to be more frequent whit normaly one day or too of no headaches i think its the brain healing

[MiguelFreeman]

And I have also notice that my gi was unstable but its slowly stabilizing and I have been having this general feeling of feeling bad and feeling hot at the same time 

so thus meaning that the CNS is stabilizing  and making changes 

what I didn't understand was why this reaction while I was tapering slowly 

and  Next taper will be 5 % split in 4 weeks and 1 week of old in between cuts

thus giving plenty of time for the brain to heal up and catch up 

but I will only start tapering again until I get fully stable 

[MiguelFreeman]

Another thing that is starting to happen again is suden muscle movements some time strong enough to move my arm a bit its like a small jump and it returns to normal happens once then it stops then after a while happens again and stops

Its basicly arm trobbeling or something like that 

Any opinions?

Sorry about the post but i kinda wanna be sure i wont develope dystonia or other movement dissordrs .  

Ps:its called hypnic jerk but for me the happen when i am awake and its normaly a small jerk of my arm or my back and i had it when i decressed my dose fro. 10 mg to 9 and its happening again .