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Hi,

 

Not really sure what this is supposed to look like, but here goes. 

 

Began Wellbutrin and Paxil (don't remember doses) fall 2004 after major anxiety over a move. (I've experienced depression and anxiety since childhood.)  I successfully tapered and remained off the Wellbutrin, but 3 months after Paxil taper experienced huge crash and reinstated.  This happened the same way the second time I tapered.  Both times the anxiety was way worse than any I had ever experienced and I knew it had something to do with withdrawal but my doctors did not believe me. I have been on 20mg/day. 

 

A year and a half ago I decided to try to taper again.  Was originally tapering by 5mg at a time and got to 10 but was having difficulty.  I found some helpful articles by Dr. Stuart Shipko and contacted him.  Following his advice, and with my doctor's support, I went back to 10 and have been tapering by 1mg/month.  I was down to 5mg when we went through some major life traumas.  Still felt fine until tapered to 4.5, went back to 5, but started experiencing symptoms without realizing what it was (felt like my heart was pounding a lot/felt wired but did not feel anxious)  Symptoms gradually have gotten worse and worse. Started to updose by 2 mg, 2 nights ago. 

 

Hoping I can stabilize, I feel terrible right now and don't want to live like this! Honestly not sure if I will complete the taper or not at this point I just want to stabilize.

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Paxil 20 mg for 13 years

Tapered twice before and experienced crash 3 mos after last dose

Began taper fall 2016, started with 5mg/month, too fast

Tapered 1mg/month to 5mg by May 2017

Holding at 5 due to symptoms and major life trauma

Increasing anxiety and insomnia, reinstated to 7.5 mg and hoping to stabilize

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Hi Sungirl,

 

Welcome to Surviving Antidepressants (SA).  I am glad you found the site.  It's good to hear that you were able to able to receive guidance from Dr. Stuart Shipko and now have the support of your doctor to help you get back on track.  Paxil, from what I have read is a particularly difficult drug to withdrawal from and am not surprised to hear that you had difficulty when trying to reduce by such a large percentage of your dose.  I am currently tapering from Effexor which is another antidepressant that is notoriously difficult to taper from and have found that I have to be very careful when decreasing my dose and have to do very long holds in-between decreases.  

 

Going on and off psychiatric drugs over the years can make your central nervous system (CNS) sensitive to any changes and is likely why you are having so much difficulty at this time.  From now on, you should probably assume that this is true for you and be very careful with all drugs, psychiatric or otherwise, and even some supplements and foods.  I am a little concerned that up-dosing  by 2mg might cause your CNS further distress as it is generally recommended to start with a very small dose, say 0.25mg, and then titrate up only if necessary.  More is not necessarily better and when your CNS has already been destabilized it is best to be extra cautious when up-dosing.     

 

After Reinstating or Up-Dosing - How long to Stabilize?

 

Surviving Antidepressants recommends tapering by 10% of your current dose with at a hold of at least four weeks before your next decrease.  The 10% taper recommendation is a harm reduction approach to going off psychiatric drugs.  Some people may have to taper at an even more conservative rate as they are very sensitive to even the smallest drops.  

 

What is Withdrawal Syndrome?
Before you begin tapering what you need to know
Why taper by 10% of my dosage?
Tips for Tapering off Paxil/Paroxetine


Without having more detailed information with respect to your drug/tapering history it will be difficult to make any recommendations.  We ask all of our members to fill out a signature so that all of your information can be read at a glance.  This helps moderators determine you current situation and we would ask that you follow the instructions at the link below.

 

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Current Prescription Drugs for Hypothyroidism:  Synthroid 100mcg / Cytomel 5mcg (15 years Pristiq/Effexor)

Tapering Schedule
September 15, 2016 - switched from Pristiq 50mg to Effexor XR 75mg; November 10, 2016 - reduced to 67.5 Effexor XR
December 9, 2016 - reduced 60.75
January 5, 2017 - reduced 54.67
January 30, 2017 - reduced to 49.0
February 20, 2017 - reduced to 44.0 
May 20, 2017 - reduced to 40.25 (holding for additional month due to late onset of withdrawal symptoms after this taper)
July 17, 2017 - reduced to 38.24
August 15, 2017 - reduced to 37.5 (50% of my original dose)

October 15, 2017 - reduced to 35.6

November 12, 2017 - reduced to 33.8
December 15, 2017 - up-dose to 35.6
December 28, 2017 - up-dose to 37.5

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Hi Sungirl! You're doing great, paxil is so difficult to withdraw from. So many of us have done what you've done and had numerous goes at it, trying to find a way that doesn't make life entirely unbearable!

 

The slow taper recommended here seems to work really well for so many people (I didn't do it myself and am kind of paying for it now!) 

 

As for your journal, you can write whatever you want in here, and people will come and find you and respond to you here, so feel free to ask your questions here and also if you have the chance and feel like it, have a look at other's journals - there are plenty of us who are specifically struggling off paxil if that's where you want to start xxx all the best, let us know what you decide to do xxxmollyn

 

 

Drug history

  • 20mg paxil in 2001 - 4 months use  
  • 20mg paxil in 2003 - 2 months use 
  • 20mg paxil in 2008 - 8 years continuous

Withdrawal history:

  • March 2014 - disastrous alternate day taper
  • Jan 2015 - 15mg to 10mg. Disaster
  • Sept 2015 -  10mg to 5mg. Disaster. Reinstated to 6mg. Relief
  • Oct 2015 - started slow 10% taper 
  • Oct 2016 - at 4mg- stop taking paxil (not recommended)

 

I'm not a medical professional. Seek advice from a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Has anyone tried mindfulness training/meditation to overcome anxiety?  How do people cope on the bad days?  Just trying to encourage myself that this will get better...

Paxil 20 mg for 13 years

Tapered twice before and experienced crash 3 mos after last dose

Began taper fall 2016, started with 5mg/month, too fast

Tapered 1mg/month to 5mg by May 2017

Holding at 5 due to symptoms and major life trauma

Increasing anxiety and insomnia, reinstated to 7.5 mg and hoping to stabilize

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Hi Sungirl, I've merged your new topic regarding mindfulness training/meditation back into your introduction thread as we ask that you post all questions in your introduction topic.  If you could please post all of your questions here in your introduction thread rather than starting a new topic, it would be most appreciated.  It's best if you post in your introduction thread so that all of the moderators can view information relating to your situation in one place rather than having to search multiple threads for information.  

Regarding mindfulness training/mediation, many of our members here have used this technique to help cope with anxiety.  I am attaching a couple of links that you might find helpful.

Mindfulness and Acceptance
Non-drug Techniques to Cope with Emotional Symptoms
Guided Meditations / Calming Videos / Sleep Hypnosis

Current Prescription Drugs for Hypothyroidism:  Synthroid 100mcg / Cytomel 5mcg (15 years Pristiq/Effexor)

Tapering Schedule
September 15, 2016 - switched from Pristiq 50mg to Effexor XR 75mg; November 10, 2016 - reduced to 67.5 Effexor XR
December 9, 2016 - reduced 60.75
January 5, 2017 - reduced 54.67
January 30, 2017 - reduced to 49.0
February 20, 2017 - reduced to 44.0 
May 20, 2017 - reduced to 40.25 (holding for additional month due to late onset of withdrawal symptoms after this taper)
July 17, 2017 - reduced to 38.24
August 15, 2017 - reduced to 37.5 (50% of my original dose)

October 15, 2017 - reduced to 35.6

November 12, 2017 - reduced to 33.8
December 15, 2017 - up-dose to 35.6
December 28, 2017 - up-dose to 37.5

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  • 2 months later...

SG any update.

Havent heard from you since last year

Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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