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magnesi

Hello :)

Nice to meet you all! I'm here for two reasons.

 

1) I've been on Venlafaxine 150 mg for 1.5 years and I want to taper it safely but still didn't figure out the best way to do it. Every time I forget to take my daily dose I get sick for more than one full day. It's scary! I've seen a recommendation to taper antidepressants at a rate of 10% per month but isn't that unreasonably slow? It would take me more than three years to taper a medication I've been taking for only 1.5 years! Furthermore, I use generic 150mg Venlafaxine capsules that have three large beads inside, and I know there are 75mg capsules available from the same brand. So, the smallest dose is a 25mg bead that I can take from these 75mg capsules. However, 25mg seems too big a cut. I'm afraid I'll have significant withdrawal symptoms and I really need to remain functional. I would appreciate some advice.

 

2) I have a teenage child that was a A student but now refuses to go to school. Doctors wanted to put her on antidepressants, but we chose to take her out of school instead. She's homeschooling but still not OK. She's well in almost every other aspect (social, etc.) but gets terribly anxious at the thought of having a simple one-on-one lesson with a tutor. We think she may have had a kind of burnout event (she's very dedicated and always wants to excel) and, as any adult in this kind of situation, needs time to recover rather than be put on ADs and sent back to school. But would like to hear your opinion.


Thanks in advance  :smitten:

 

PS - I'm currently tapering a benzodiazepine, Ativan. I took 1mg/day for 10 years but had already hit tolerance and it was causing me horrible symptoms like brain fog. I suspect the depressive issues that led to the Venlafaxine prescription were also in part caused by this benzo.
 

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Hello magnesi and welcome to SA.

 

I'm sorry you are getting your reply only now but things seem to be very busy and we are all volunteers.

 

Starting from the bottom: yes, prolonged use of benzos leads to development of depressive symptoms.

 

We have a separate section here on tapering benzos so I would warmly recommend you also start a thread there to get feedback and advice on your Ativan taper.

 

We don't recommend tapering two drugs at the same time for many reasons. Simply it might become too much for your central nervous system to cope.

 

When it comes to the time of the taper regardless what anyone says yoyr brain is the ultimate judge of that. If you are suffering with severe symptoms, it is a sign that you are tapering too fast. Some people, including myself, can't even tolerate 10 % every 30 days. I can only do 2 % cut at the moment.

 

In general it all depends on the reselience of your central nervous system. That reselience in general gets compromised with more years on drugs, attempts to reduce and stop,,adding drugs and so on. Things don't work in isolation so you are not going to taper (when the time comes) 'only' Venlafaxine after 1.5 years but will have to regrow a new brain after 10 years of drug exposure. Slow and steady wins the race.

 

On 10/10/2017 at 7:55 PM, magnesi said:

She needs to recover rather than be put on ADs and sent back to school. 

I can only commend you for this approach regarding your daughter's situation.

 

These drugs are anything but safe and harmless and using them on a young an developing brain is just horrible. I would look in all other possible alternatives: counselling, learning relaxation techniques, etc.

 

Once again welcome. Please use this thread for any questions you may have.

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Welcome Magnesi! I'm newish here but I have found so much great information I would suggest read everything!!! Every single question I had is on this site and everything makes sense, its so much better than struggling on your own. Good luck 🌞

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Thank you bubble and Boysmommy2!

Good image, that of growing a new brain. I'm hopping I can do some improvements in relation to my previous brain :)

 

In relation to my daughter, thank you for the support. It's important to me because schools, doctors and even family and friends, they all seem so much more worried with the possibility of a lost academic year. But I feel that's nothing compared to all the problems that can come from giving  psychoactive drugs to a teenager. Whose only problem is refusing to go to school! I mean, teenagers are supposed to make our life a little harder, refuse to do stuff and try to find their own way of doing things, aren't they? When I was a teenager I did some pretty stupid things, including skipping classes which is something they can't do today because they are subjected to much stricter control. But that was normal for the previous generation, people weren't supposed to be perfect!

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This is a post that made things so much clearer for me:

 

 

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magnesi

Hello,

I'm currently tapering a benzo, Activan, after using it for almost 18 years, and have already reduced the dose from 1mg to 0.38mg per day, over 3 months. I have been fully functional with symptoms like muscle and joint pain and tinnitus.

Meanwhile, I'm also on Effexor and my initial plan was to start reducing this AD after finishing the benzo. But lately I've been wondering if it would be better to start now, using a very slow rate for both drugs. I know that in most forums i's recommended to reduce one medication at a time, but that does not make much sense to me.

Indeed, both the benzo and the AD affect brain chemistry. But our brain only "feels" a general effect that comes from the two drugs combined (individual effects plus interaction). So, why not reduce them together, very slowly?

The way I´m doing it (reducing only the benzo), my brain is regenerating but the fact is that it's adapting to another situation which is also not sustainable because it includes the effects of the antidepressant. And the same would happen if I had reduced the AD first. Wouldn't it therefore be better to reduce both medications at the same time, extra slowly? The brain could therefore evolve towards a true equilibrium situation, one in which there would be no drugs.

If I had to hold it would be the two meds, of course.

I see two main advantages of treating of the two drugs as if they were one: (i) smoother and continuous transition to a drug free state; (ii) faster process, even at a lower rate of reduction.

I would like to know your opinion :)

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5 hours ago, magnesi said:

Hello,

I'm currently tapering a benzo, Activan, after using it for almost 18 years, and have already reduced the dose from 1mg to 0.38mg per day, over 3 months. I have been fully functional with symptoms like muscle and joint pain and tinnitus.

Meanwhile, I'm also on Effexor and my initial plan was to start reducing this AD after finishing the benzo. But lately I've been wondering if it would be better to start now, using a very slow rate for both drugs. I know that in most forums i's recommended to reduce one medication at a time, but that does not make much sense to me.

Indeed, both the benzo and the AD affect brain chemistry. But our brain only "feels" a general effect that comes from the two drugs combined (individual effects plus interaction). So, why not reduce them together, very slowly?

The way I´m doing it (reducing only the benzo), my brain is regenerating but the fact is that it's adapting to another situation which is also not sustainable because it includes the effects of the antidepressant. And the same would happen if I had reduced the AD first. Wouldn't it therefore be better to reduce both medications at the same time, extra slowly? The brain could therefore evolve towards a true equilibrium situation, one in which there would be no drugs.

If I had to hold it would be the two meds, of course.

I see two main advantages of treating of the two drugs as if they were one: (i) smoother and continuous transition to a drug free state; (ii) faster process, even at a lower rate of reduction.

I would like to know your opinion :)

It´s quite interesting...

 

Let´s wait about the experts opinion.

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Hi Jony,

For what it’s worth, I think you are spot on with the statement that the two drugs were acting as one...spot on!

 

If I could start my taper again, I would actually taper all 3 drugs, closing following the method that Rhiannon chose. Rhiannon provides very clear logic, experience and expertise in doing this. 

 

That said, I am a little bit in awe of your nearly 40% taper of Ativan (a short-half life benzo, no less) in 3 months. You are very brave and determined, clearly. However, I am just not at all sure that this rapid taper has caught up with you yet. Ativan does clear quicker than the other benzos but I fear if you resume tapering both right now, you will find yourself in real trouble. 

 

In my very modest opinion (and that’s all anyone can give...we are all so different) I would do a nice long hold (like 6 months) If you still feel the same, or no worse, perhaps rhen your  brain will be ready to try this multi-drug taper. I would actually tell you to hold for a good long while now even if you were on one drug.

 

SA does not advocate tapering multiple drugs at once, but had I read Rhiannon’s stuff, and could start over, I am fairly certain I would not be in the dark chasm of withdrawal I am in.

 

Boy, do I understand the urgency you feel. However you don’t want to sabotage your taper by hurrying it up, and then be in protracted w/d. 

 

Good luck,

Grace (not an “expert”; just  an attendee of the school of hard knocks)

 

 

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14 hours ago, savinggrace said:

Hi Jony,

For what it’s worth, I think you are spot on with the statement that the two drugs were acting as one...spot on!

 

If I could start my taper again, I would actually taper all 3 drugs, closing following the method that Rhiannon chose. Rhiannon provides very clear logic, experience and expertise in doing this. 

 

That said, I am a little bit in awe of your nearly 40% taper of Ativan (a short-half life benzo, no less) in 3 months. You are very brave and determined, clearly. However, I am just not at all sure that this rapid taper has caught up with you yet. Ativan does clear quicker than the other benzos but I fear if you resume tapering both right now, you will find yourself in real trouble. 

 

In my very modest opinion (and that’s all anyone can give...we are all so different) I would do a nice long hold (like 6 months) If you still feel the same, or no worse, perhaps rhen your  brain will be ready to try this multi-drug taper. I would actually tell you to hold for a good long while now even if you were on one drug.

 

SA does not advocate tapering multiple drugs at once, but had I read Rhiannon’s stuff, and could start over, I am fairly certain I would not be in the dark chasm of withdrawal I am in.

 

Boy, do I understand the urgency you feel. However you don’t want to sabotage your taper by hurrying it up, and then be in protracted w/d. 

 

Good luck,

Grace (not an “expert”; just  an attendee of the school of hard knocks)

 

 

 

It seems that you confused me with magnesi...no problem.

 

About that question, I have a doubt. Maybe the effect of two drugs doesn't be the same ,in the brain ,than each one separate.

And maybe it's more complicated to taper two drugs, or more, at the same time. Or not...

 

The theory does make sense, according the way of brain re-adapted to new doses.

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Moved posts into magnesi's topic.

 

1 minute ago, Altostrata said:

 

The main reason we urge people to taper only one drug at a time is that if you get withdrawal symptoms or other adverse effects you'll have a good idea what caused it.

 

When you change more than one drug at time and you get a bad reaction, what do you do? Updose one drug, updose the other drug, updose both drugs? What if the bad reaction was caused by something else altogether? You'll get yourself into a snarl of drug adjustments that will lead to a great deal of angst, confusion, and wasted time.

 

Please note the mods probably won't be able to make any better guesses than you can if you get yourself into this predicament. Most likely, you'll have to dig your way out yourself.

 

Rhiannon's micro-tapering of more than one drug at a time was based on her very close monitoring for a long time of the reactions she got from tapering *each* drug. That is what you need to know if you do multiple micro-tapering.

 

Making decisions about your tapering strategy depends on a lot of things that are individual to you, such as the combination of drugs you're taking and the side effects you're currently experiencing. This is why we ask people to post "what should I do?" questions in their own Introductions topic, where we can get into detail without throwing the topic off track.

 

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magnesi, if I were you, I'd hold on the benzo dosage and try tapering Effexor.

 

Congratulations on getting your benzo dosage so low. Do you have any symptoms when you reduce it?

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Hi Altostrata, yes I have some. In the beginning it was more physical weakness, muscle and joint pain. Then, after reaching 50% I developed tinnitus and the muscle and joint pain increased a lot (some weeks ago I had a huge pain crisis and had to stay in bed for two weeks). These are my main symptoms now. I'm holding the dose at 38% to see if things get better. I spend a lot of time in bed but, overall, I've been functional. I'm working and starting my own business, travel, take care of my teenage daughters, go to the gym, and have a social life. On the other hand, my house is a mess because I have much less energy than I used to.

 

Why do you think I should taper Effexor first? The benzo, that I've been taking for 18 years, ceased having any positive effects long ago and was only making me sick. I

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Because the benzo will help soften the blow of the Effexor wdl symptoms.

Magnesi please would you consider doing a drug sig....like sometime this year would be good! 

In other words don't leave it to next year.

nz11

 

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On 12/30/2017 at 3:57 AM, nz11 said:

Because the benzo will help soften the blow of the Effexor wdl symptoms.

 

 

I doubt it since as I said I've been taking the benzo for more than 18 years. The only effect the benzo is having is preventing (some of) its own withdrawal symptoms.

 

PS - How can I create a signature? Thanks!

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2 hours ago, magnesi said:

The only effect the benzo is having is preventing (some of) its own withdrawal symptoms

okaaaay

 

Go to the to right and click on the drop down box arrow then click on account settings then on the l.h.s. you see signature ...you can do it.

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Hello,

I started tapering my 150mg venlafaxine dose last January. I've been cutting 10% of the initial dose per month, which means that I've already made three cuts. The last cut was a little higher because I wanted to reach the 2/3 of the initial dose, so that I could just eliminate one of the three pills that come inside the capsules of one of the generic venlafaxine brands I have available. Previously, I had to use a different venlafaxine brand in which the capsules are filled with small beads, and made my cuts by weighting the content of the capsules and then eliminating a certain amount of beads, which was less practical.

 

Now I'm at 100mg venlafaxine and I'm feeling well. Muscle weakness and pain sometimes reappear, and lately I've been feeling a little down, but nothing I can't control.

 

So, I wonder if I could keep on cutting 10% of the initial dose, at least until I reach 50% of that initial dose.

 

I know that, as we taper, the 10% of the initial dose represent a higher and higher percentage of the current dose, but I'm feeling OK.

 

I'd be thankful for your advice, and I'd particularly like to hear from people that managed to cut faster than 10% of their current dose per month, with good results.

 

Best wishes!

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Corona virus?Covid19- should we postpone our cuts?

 

I've been told that antidepressant withdrawal lowers our immunity. I was supposed to make another cut Saturday. Should I postpone it until the end of the corona virus emergency? All schools, kindergartens, universities and other social places like bars, etc. were closed today here.

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Hi magnesi, @magnesi,

merged your most recent post back here from tapering.

 

How are you doing overall?  I'm not seeing many updates to your introduction topic, since last April.

 

Where did you hear that antidepressants lowers ones' immunity?  Any reference information as to this?  I'm not privy to any information that says this.  Is this specific to your Effexor?  Did you read this somewhere?

 

We have members all around the globe. 

I'm in the U.S.  And there have, more recently, been measures taken to control the spread of infection to "more susceptible or higher risk individuals" who may have weakened immunities due to age factors, or disease, or illness factors.  Mass gatherings being canceled for the next couple of weeks. 

Some Universities canceled here too and other events.

 

And basic hygiene measures are being reinforced, as to prevent the spread of infection.  Basic hand washing for 20 seconds. 

To stay at home if sick.

 

And if "more susceptible/higher risk" to stay out of large gatherings and crowds.  And that others respect this, especially if said others are sick, or potentially infectious.

 

Do you have another chronic condition outside of WDsyndrome going on?  If not, I don't see any reason to delay your next taper or "cut". 

What is withdrawal syndrome?

 

Or are you an older individual?  Here, in the U.S., they are cautioning older individual to avoid gatherings of more than 20 people.  With older being defined as > age 60.  To avoid contracting Corona virus I suspect.

 

Your signature notes that you are currently at 24 mg, but no date.......and so I am wondering what dose you are presently at?  And how you have been tapering over the last year.  And then how you are doing now?

Are you still benzo free as of September 2018?

 

So.....In short, I don't see any reason to delay your next taper. 

 

magnesi, I'm finding many previous posts around your taper(s) in other areas.  We encourage members to post around their specific cases, in their introductions.  It does look like you have found the:

Tips for tapering off Effexor and EffexorXR(venlafaxine) topic

 

And that's an excellent topic to read through, and especially from the beginning, if you have not already.  You may have.

 

I'd love to hear more about how your taper is going, as well, as said before.........so please don't hesitate to post right here, on your introduction page too!   And ask any questions you have please.  

Thank you.

 

Love, peace, healing, and growth,

moderator manymoretodays(mmt)

 

 

 

 

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Hello manymoretodays, I'm currently at 19 mg venlafaxine and tomorrow I'm supposed to cut another 20%. I began the taper with 10% cuts every month and then a few months ago I increased them to 20%. I know the thread tips for tapering off effexor, thank you. I posted there to try to understand when would I be able to jump but got very little help. Lately, one member called superwoman kindly told me that people are supposed to jump at around 1mg but I don't know if that is valid for every antidepressant. I'm planning to jump at 5% of my initial dose (i.e. at 7.5 mg venlafaxine) as I did with the benzo - yes, I'm benzo free, of course, and focused on becoming AD free too. In benzo forums, people also say that lower doses are the worse but I eventually understood that it happens because many taper too fast and then the effects of the various cuts accumulate. But I made a symptom-based taper over one year and didn't feel a thing when I jumped at 5% of my initial benzo dose. So, that's what I plan to do with the AD. Many here at survivingantidepressants recommend that we extend the taper much longer but in reality nobody seems to have solid ideas about it and I have three important reasons to not doing it: (1) I don't feel very stable because it's impossible to always take the AD at the same time everyday; my life is not that regular and I don't want it to become AD centered; (2) I need to do a health insurance and for that I need to be completely med free; (3) being med free would feel psychologically and logistically great and I need it.

 

I have the feeling that, differently from benzo tapering, on which we have for example Prof. Heather Ashton's work as a reference, there is much less experience about AD tapering. I don't feel supported by this forum, which is why I don't come here often, but I suspect it's largely because a sound body of knowledge about AD tapering does not exist yet. There are also other things that I personally don't like about survivingantidepressants but in the end they are not as important. For eg, my questions are rarely answered and some people are intrusive, trying to tell me what to do instead of discussing the issues, which is not helpful to me.

 

Regarding my question about the effect of AD withdrawal on our immunity, it is pertinent given the situation we are experiencing in Europe. Do you know if withdrawal involves a lowering of our immunity?

 

Thank you ❤️

 

 

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2 hours ago, magnesi said:

I'm planning to jump at 5% of my initial dose (i.e. at 7.5 mg venlafaxine) as I did with the benzo - yes, I'm benzo free, of course, and focused on becoming AD free too.

2 hours ago, magnesi said:

Many here at survivingantidepressants recommend that we extend the taper much longer but in reality nobody seems to have solid ideas about it and I have three important reasons to not doing it: (1) I don't feel very stable because it's impossible to always take the AD at the same time everyday; my life is not that regular and I don't want it to become AD centered; (2) I need to do a health insurance and for that I need to be completely med free; (3) being med free would feel psychologically and logistically great and I need it.

 

Hi magnesi,

We actually do have a lot of solid ideas about "jumping off" points, gained from collective experience, our own, and then those of working with other members through the years.  We tend to be more harm reduction focused, as well as fairly rigorous in terms of requiring a basis for opinion.  And especially, in regards to tapering and WD.  I mean that is our focus.  I think jumping off at 7.5 mg, might, just might lead to WD symptoms, and if not immediately, they may appear months later.  We generally suggest jump offs at doses even less than 1 mg, sometimes even in the .01 mg range. 

And.....take a look at Karma's introduction here:  Karma: tapering Effexor, Gabapentin, and Xanax

she just jumped off at 0.0156 mg of Effexor, after many years of tapering

 

*Why taper by 10% of my dose

in the first post there, there is more about this, and some references as well, to published works

More also around the site, too, as far as the basis for our protocols.

I am happy to help you, or find topics that might help, if you would like.

How Long? The Bottom Line.

you might be interested in ^, and then could scroll to the top too, and look at the table of contents of the essay and read more, if you'd like.

 

I don't get the part about your need to get health insurance.  You need to be off Effexor to get health insurance?

And yes, it does feel great to be "med free", for me anyway.  Yet, it was a long time coming.  Many years actually.  And with tons of struggle thrown in.  There are many here, who just go about their tapers, very logically, and continue to function very well.  Or even get back to better functioning, while tapering, which sometimes requires a longer HOLD period than they had hoped for, but in the end they eventually get drug free.

 

The rule of 3KI's: Keep it simple, slow, and stable

I don't know, but maybe this will speak to you ^

 

It can be really important to take your dose at the same time, the same way, everyday too.  Your nervous system will thank you.  Do you need help with ideas on how to do this?  Setting an alarm, on your phone, or some kind of reminder can help.

 

I don't want to debate or anything, but I really believe in this site, and it's value, and feel committed to giving back.........as it sure helped me.  And I don't want to see people needlessly suffering by doing what I did, for so many years, on my own, with the merry go round of medications that I was on.......by good doctors, following the medical treatment paradigm model of todays mental health care.  And then I thought I could just quit, and it would be easy.  That did not work and I wound up in hospital again, with 2 additional medications, and no recognition of my Lexapro WD state.  I came through though.  All of that.  30 years, and at least 30 medications.

 

 

I came off Effexor myself......quite awhile back, and before I was privy to more information about or around tapering, or what WD was.  I did not do well with it to begin with, it followed a chain of AD's for me.  Lot's of adverse effects, changes in my personality even, bouncing from happy to sad and reclusive, like clockwork, every couple of months.  When I came off it.........my doctors got into even more medications with me, as well as some diagnonsense......that in retrospect, I realized that so many of my symptoms were iatrogenic, medically or medication induced.

 

I worry then, that if you don't feel very stable now......that it's possible it might get worse, with too rapid of a taper.  Many of us, believe me, members and non-members alike have thought that just getting off the medication, or their medication, is going to be the answer.  But, if done too quickly, it just adds to distress, or a distressed system.

When we take medications, the CNS (central nervous system) responds by making changes over the months and years we take the drug(s). When the medication is discontinued, the CNS has to undo all the changes it made.  The CNS likes stability. Rebuilding the neurotransmitter production and reactivating the receptor and transporter cells takes time -- during that rebuilding process symptoms occur.

So I've been quite thankful that my journey led me here and that I could get some expertise and support for my final tapers/withdrawals.

 

And of course, maybe this site isn't for you.  I do wish for you to have some support now though, somewhere on-line or on the ground.  No one should have to go through this alone.

 

And I'm so sorry that your questions here, on this page, did not always get attention.  We are staffed with all volunteers, and most of us, do have other life commitments that don't allow for 24/7 monitoring and follow up with everyone.  And we do rely on other members helping members too.  I'm so sorry though, that your experience here has not been better. 

 

You can, to get a moderator's or members attention, either:

1. quote them(they'll see a notification that they were quoted and by who, when signed in)

2.  Add an @ symbol and then choose the member(s) or moderator(s) that you wish to notify of your post, or question, or answer, etc

 

2 hours ago, magnesi said:

Regarding my question about the effect of AD withdrawal on our immunity, it is pertinent given the situation we are experiencing in Europe. Do you know if withdrawal involves a lowering of our immunity?

 

Yes, I know it is very pertinent, for all of us right now.  I hope you weren't offended that I put your query back here, on your introduction page.  And I have asked for some additional input, in regards to your post above, around the Corona Virus/Covid 19 and tapering. 

 

I don't think that WD itself involves a lowering of our immunity.  Not directly.  In some, it might, but indirectly.  As it does often, however, affect the autonomic nervous system, quite a bit.  And I think that anytime the autonomic nervous system is affected......yes, sure it could affect ones immune status.  Take for example, if one is induced into a very fearful type state, that could and probably will then lower ones natural immune defenses a bit.  As far as if any of us does get the Covid19 virus.......I believe that for most, without pre-existing lowered immune systems, the virus runs it's course, if we were basically healthy to begin with and not really old, or really young, and then compromised with other conditions.  Hopefully that make sense.

 

We advocate for using lot's of non-drug coping skills to help reversing and coping with WD symptoms. 

We have a whole Symptoms and Self Care forum devoted to this.  You may have seen it, as you've found your way about the site now pretty well.

 

I think it's up to you, based on how you have done, with your previous intervals, after a taper, as to if you want to taper, on your somewhat accelerated schedule(in comparison to our general protocols), right now.  If you are in a continuous state of symptoms, including stress responses, if it were me, well.....I'd wait a while longer, and just HOLD longer at my present dose.  And man, I am sure hoping things do settle down real soon, for all our sakes, with the CoronaVirus outbreaks and the losses of human lives from that.  I don't know when that might be.

 

And that's why I asked how you were doing?  Is the 20% taper plan going well?  Are you experiencing any WD symptoms, such as increased stress responses? 

Things like sleeping okay?  Ability to deal with life and function okay.......maybe needed to cut back a bit, while healing.......but getting through the day to day okay?

And then how have you managed the past few years to get through any other infections, especially of the viral type?  Do they run their course in 10-14 days without consequence?

 

I mean, Covid19, in itself is not a lethal disease, as far as I know, for the generally healthy set or individual.

 

I may have gone on, a bit too long here.  And apologies, if not helpful.  I wanted to post an awesome stress response chart, here too......that illustrates what I said around that.  Perhaps another time?

 

Wishing you much healing magnesi,

Love, peace, and growth,

mmt

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5 hours ago, magnesi said:

Regarding my question about the effect of AD withdrawal on our immunity, it is pertinent given the situation we are experiencing in Europe. Do you know if withdrawal involves a lowering of our immunity?

 

Hi again magnesi,

Topic started in Symptoms and Self care:

Coronavirus and psychiatric drug tapering

 

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Magnesi, I would strongly encourage you to slow down your taper, especially since you are getting so close to the end. It’s this last leg where you actually need to go slower. If I could do it all over again, I wish I could go back to last August and worked myself down to less than 1mg per day. That is my plan this time. Jumping off too early usually causes many WD effects and it is very hard to get stabilized once again. You’ve made it this far and have done a good job. Don’t rush it in the end here. 
 

There is a study posted here that shows how a very small amount of each AD affects like 80% of the neurotransmitters in your brain. It really reinforced in me the importance of tapering those last milligrams very, very carefully.

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