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Littlegrandma

I really like that Kristine. 

More positive words to post on my refrigerator. Lg

Hope you’re doing ok. 

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Kristine

Ditto Lg, I think many of us are struggling more than usual, due to Christmas burnout 😳 Not an easy time of year. K

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RealMe

Still holding at fluoxetine 10mg., magnesium, fish oil, vit d.  Added vit e.

still over sleeping, but improved

cravings for sweets -- indulging in cream cheese & truvia

can't exercise -- ramps up tinnitus

can't gentle walk in the sun -- too cold

depression, dark thoughts of hopelessness, but hanging on

irritable or quiet and withdrawn

lack of pleasure

blunted affect

laziness, lack of interest in activity

anxiety better today

 

 

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Is it possible that my tinnitus would improve if I cold turkey the 10mg of fluoxetine I am on?  The reason I ask is because I've been told that if it's being caused by fluoxetine, the longer I am on it, the less of a chance I have of the tinnitus clearing when the fluoxetine is stopped.  It is driving me crazy.  I don't know how much longer I can stand it.

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Kristine

Hi Realme, This tinnitus you are suffering from sounds so debilitating and exhausting.  I have had tinnitus for brief periods but it always seemed to coincide with vertigo.  The following is from the Ear Science institute Australia......"Enviromental sounds and background noises can help reduce your tinnitus distress by reducing the audibility of your tinnitus.  Background sounds such as pink noise, white noise, the sounds of wave crashing and the sound of rain compete with the sound of your tinnitus making your tinnitus seem much softer....when selecting environmental sounds select calm, soothing soundscapes with relatively constant pitch".  Might help? K 

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wantrelief

Hi RealMe,

 

I am sorry the tinnitus has been so persistent and causing you so much distress.  The logic of quitting a medication that is causing a problem is sound but unfortunately I think if you cold turkey Prozac, it could cause more symptoms to appear and/or make the tinnitus worse.  I am hopeful that in time as you get farther away from the changes you've been through with medication, the tinnitus will recede.  I know that doesn't help though in the meantime.  I hope others write in who have experienced this symptom and what they have done to cope with it.

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3 hours ago, Kristine said:

Hi Realme, This tinnitus you are suffering from sounds so debilitating and exhausting.  I have had tinnitus for brief periods but it always seemed to coincide with vertigo.  The following is from the Ear Science institute Australia......"Enviromental sounds and background noises can help reduce your tinnitus distress by reducing the audibility of your tinnitus.  Background sounds such as pink noise, white noise, the sounds of wave crashing and the sound of rain compete with the sound of your tinnitus making your tinnitus seem much softer....when selecting environmental sounds select calm, soothing soundscapes with relatively constant pitch".  Might help? K 

Thank you, Kristine.  I have been trying masking noises.  I have hearing aids also.  I have been reading only success stories to figure out how to cope, but I am ultimately devastated by the constancy of it.  I pick myself up and get determined to cope, but I just can't keep up.

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1 hour ago, wantrelief said:

Hi RealMe,

 

I am sorry the tinnitus has been so persistent and causing you so much distress.  The logic of quitting a medication that is causing a problem is sound but unfortunately I think if you cold turkey Prozac, it could cause more symptoms to appear and/or make the tinnitus worse.  I am hopeful that in time as you get farther away from the changes you've been through with medication, the tinnitus will recede.  I know that doesn't help though in the meantime.  I hope others write in who have experienced this symptom and what they have done to cope with it.

Thank you, wantrelief.  I am leery of making things worse.  God knows, I feel things couldn't get worse, but I know they could.

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5 hours ago, RealMe said:

Is it possible that my tinnitus would improve if I cold turkey the 10mg of fluoxetine I am on?  The reason I ask is because I've been told that if it's being caused by fluoxetine, the longer I am on it, the less of a chance I have of the tinnitus clearing when the fluoxetine is stopped.  It is driving me crazy.  I don't know how much longer I can stand it.

I haven't read your whole thread apologies only this page and the drug sig

To be honest I would not do this if I were you.

I also agree with want relief in that if you CT the Prozac imo you could experience wdl symptoms that may make the tinnitus look minor in comparison. 

Just as an aside why did you abruptly drop the Prozac by half in oct?

I feel angry on your behalf at what the medical profession have done to you.

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7 minutes ago, nz11 said:

I haven't read your whole thread apologies only this page and the drug sig

To be honest I would not do this if I were you.

I also agree with want relief in that if you CT the Prozac imo you could experience wdl symptoms that may make the tinnitus look minor in comparison. 

Just as an aside why did you abruptly drop the Prozac by half in oct?

I feel angry on your behalf at what the medical profession have done to you.

Thank you, nz11, but please don't give me any sympathy.  I can't afford to let this anger take over because it won't change anything, and I tend to turn it toward myself for being so stupid.  When I'm completely detoxified, I'm sure I will have to deal with it at some point; but I do sincerely appreciate your support.  It only came to me when the psych-doc offered me valium to deal with the tinnitus.  In that moment, my whole psychiatric meds history and my life-changing ignorance became quite clear.

As to why I cut the prozac by half in October, I was at the point where I wanted off and read somewhere on the internet that if I hadn't been on it that long, I could drop it.  I thought I would be better off on the lowest possible dose.  I had only been on 20 mg. for about a week or so at that point.  I didn't even bother to ask the psychiatrist, whom I haven't seen since early October.  I dropped the 10mg. at the same time I stopped the Wellbutrin CT.

I am cutting the 10mg. pill by 10% approximately.  I have to do something.  I have been on 10mg. for over two months now, and I am cutting it down to about 9 mg.

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Has this tinnitus suddenly come on since you dropped Prozac by half. Sorry if you already posted the answer to this prior.

 

If I were you I would continue holding at the 10mg for several more months. Why? Because you are currently appear to be very unstable.

And believe you me things can get a lot worse.

 

oops I just noticed your drug sig and you have dropped to 9mg already ?

Alright keep us posted on how you go.

 

nz11

  

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1 minute ago, nz11 said:

Has this tinnitus suddenly come on since you dropped Prozac by half. Sorry if you already posted the answer to this prior.

 

If I were you I would continue holding at the 10mg for several more months. Why? Because you are currently appear to be very unstable.

And believe you me things can get a lot worse.

 

oops I just noticed your drug sig and you have dropped to 9mg already ?

Alright keep us posted on how you go.

 

nz11

  

The tinnitus began almost immediately after I increased Bupropion (Wellbutrin) from 150mg to 300 mg.  I called the doctor because of the ringing, and he said he had never heard of that reaction to Wellbutrin, but that I could just stop taking it.  I stopped the Wellbutrin CT and dropped the prozac from 20 to 10 at the same time.  This was on the phone.  When I saw him shortly after is when he offered valium for the tinnitus.

I have to take a chance that lowering the prozac will help the tinnitus because I am desperate.  If it doesn't work, I'll go back to 10 mg.

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Well done on doing a great drug sig. 

Is there a reason you didn't put valium in there? 

Gee what planet is your doctor on ....valium for tinnitus !!?!

When did you updose to 20mg Prozac your drug sig is silent on that?

 

I have a bad feeling about lowering the dose at this time based on the info in the  posts on this page but let us know how it goes.  

 

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10 hours ago, nz11 said:

Well done on doing a great drug sig. 

Is there a reason you didn't put valium in there? 

Gee what planet is your doctor on ....valium for tinnitus !!?!

When did you updose to 20mg Prozac your drug sig is silent on that?

 

I have a bad feeling about lowering the dose at this time based on the info in the  posts on this page but let us know how it goes.  

 

I never took the offered Valium.  That was my last visit with the psychiatrist.  I will not be seeing him again.  (Valium is in my early history.  In fact, it was the first drug ever prescribed to me for panic attacks when I was 19.)  I started the prozac 10 in September, updosed to 20mg. for one week only in October.

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Crying, SI, irritable, hopeless, escaping in television and computer

I don't feel the depression I'm familiar with.  I feel despondent over the tinnitus primarily and over the dystonia to a lesser degree.

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wantrelief

I know what you mean, RealMe - the depression from AD withdrawal is different than what I am used to as well.  I never had SI until I started these meds. I too am struggling with feelings of hopelessness.  I know it doesn't make how you are feeling better, but I wanted to let you know that you aren't alone.

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27 minutes ago, wantrelief said:

I know what you mean, RealMe - the depression from AD withdrawal is different than what I am used to as well.  I never had SI until I started these meds. I too am struggling with feelings of hopelessness.  I know it doesn't make how you are feeling better, but I wanted to let you know that you aren't alone.

Actually, your responding to me does comfort me.  I spend so much time on the site, looking for answers and, I guess, attention.  I wonder if looking for attention is a symptom I just didn't seem to recognize until now.  I'm willing to take any comfort I can get, so thank you for sharing your feelings with me.  Naturally, I wish you didn't have any of these symptoms.  I have to hope we are on the path to recovery and healing, and our present situation is just temporary.  One of the attractive things about taking medication was that I thought I could be independent and not needy.  Little did I know how dependent and needy I would become.

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I am so glad I could provide some comfort to you. I spend a lot of time on this site too.  I think it isn't about looking for attention as much as needing to find people who understand as well as information about our "condition".  Someone once pointed out to me that the only sure thing is that everything is temporary so I do think you are right, our present situation is temporary - just oh so hard to get through until that time.  At least until then, we have one another.

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3 minutes ago, wantrelief said:

I am so glad I could provide some comfort to you. I spend a lot of time on this site too.  I think it isn't about looking for attention as much as needing to find people who understand as well as information about our "condition".  Someone once pointed out to me that the only sure thing is that everything is temporary so I do think you are right, our present situation is temporary - just oh so hard to get through until that time.  At least until then, we have one another.

 

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I hope and pray this condition is temporary. I can relate to these comments.

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Rosetta

Hi, RealMe, 

 

(Don't read what was writing while you were leaving your post.  I posted it just now, and it's dark.  Not good for you right now.  I'm ok.  I just needed to write it all out.  Someone in a better position right now can read it.)

 

Thank you for posting good wishes for me.  That was very kind.  What a compliment on my writing.  My cog function does improve sometimes.  

 

I hope you feel better soon.  SI is horrible, I know.  It lasted long enough for me and was far more intense than non chemical SI.  Maybe, like me, you don't want to take action in that regard; you just want relief, I hope.  Please don't hurt yourself.  Take another day.  Maybe you'll have another day and see there is no rush.  It's so permanent.  

 

You had a medication switch in 2014 and it caught up with you in 2017.  Very similar to me. I don't think Trazodone gives enough good sleep, but it's better than nothing especially if you need to taper it because you took it for a while.  I'm sorry you aren't sleeping properly.  You will eventually.  You know that right? 

 

Wishing you improvement -- quick improvement!!

 

Peace,

Rosetta

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I posted the following in response to someone else's thread and decided since it is my story to post it here in my own introduction space:

 

I am having a very difficult time with tinnitus, dystonia, tremors, fatigue, anxiety, wishing for the end but praying for strength.  I ask God to either cure me or give me the strength to cope with these symptoms.  I spend a lot of time on this site reading the experiences and suggestions of others, especially the success stories.  Like you, I write to people and ask for ideas on how to manage.

 

I'm 72 years old, and I'm trying to taper off 9 mg. of Fluoxetine.  I guess you could say I was a child alcoholic.  Our family was floating in alcohol, and I picked it up at a ridiculously young age.  So did my brother, but not my two sisters who are doing very well.  My brother died of cirrhosis two and a half years ago.  

 

I entered psychiatry land when I was 19 and was prescribed valium for panic attacks.  From that point on, my life became a real mess with both alcohol and valium until I finally stopped both in 1976.  I lasted drug free until 1982 when I landed in my second psychiatrist's office, crying about my awful life and intolerable feelings (there were indeed some terrible things going on, but I could possibly have gotten through them, I think, with the right therapy.)  I agreed to go into the hospital and took whatever he gave me.  The only thing I know for sure that I was on in the hospital was Ativan and Imipramine.  I woke up nuts and suicidal and stayed that way for quite some time.  There were other drugs too, such as Desyrel (sp?), but I can't remember what else.


I finally managed to get off Imipramine myself around 1985 and stayed off until 1995 when one of my children got into terrible trouble.  I had uncontrollable diarrhea, panic, crying, seeming inability to take care of my children or myself.  My husband and I went to therapy, and the focus shifted to me and my past history and current depression.  This time I went to a GP and was given Prozac.  I took that from 1995 until November, 2012, when my alcoholic brother died a terrible death from cirrhosis.  I was up to 80 mg. of prozac, and I retired from my teaching job because of what was probably grief, but my GP sent me to my third and final psychiatrist.

 

After several different SSRI's did not show improvement, the psychiatrist prescribed Trintellix and Abilify which I took for two and a half years until uncontrollable hand tremors and cervical dystonia appeared.  He said he didn't think the meds caused it, but nevertheless told me to stop Abilify.  He said I would not have any trouble since I was on such a low dose.  There are no words to  describe the Hell I went through, but fortunately on this SA site, I do not have to explain because many others have been through even worse.  I complained to the psychiatrist, and he gave me more and more drugs which I also cold-turkeyed.  I am now stabilizing on a small dose of prozac and plan to taper it come what may.  I am encouraged by the people on this site that it might indeed be possible at slow 10% reductions.

 

I fight obsessive thoughts of how stupid I was to think brain-altering chemicals could help me; also, that I was foolish to listen to people who told me, "you need serious medical help."  I probably needed to shut up, but I sure didn't need the kind of medical help I received.  Even when the gp was increasing my prozac year after year up to the maximum, no one suggested that I might do better to get off the drug safely.  Well, enough of riling myself up with feeling like a victim.

 

I try to get together with my children and grandchildren.  For me, it helps to just say I'm ok and keep a wrap on my despondency.  My husband would like me to keep it from him because he feels helpless, but he is very supportive.  I can see it is wearing on him, and that kind of helps me to keep a chin up once in a while.

 

Well, staystrong, I guess this is more blah, blah, blah than you bargained for; but it has been good for me to speak my truth freely to you.  I do hope you and I will recover and heal together and that you will share your story with me if you wish to.

 

Best wishes,

RealMe

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I felt better today compared to yesterday.  No crying or SI.  Thinking I might get better in time.

tinnitus

dystonia

tremors in hands (esp rt. hand) and voice

tongue feels too big for my mouth, excessive salivation, tinny taste, keep accidentally biting my tongue

fatigue (but went to eye doctor for glasses because I scratched the ones I have from 2014. Went to Costco with my husband and two granddaughters, then took another granddaughter to piano lessons, made easy dinner.  Called a few friends today and didn't complain, kept it light.  They wouldn't understand or else would give me sympathy, ask too many questions and remind me next time I see them.)

appetite normal, no cravings

dry eyes

 

 

 

 

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I'm happy to see that you had a better day today.  I did, too.  No crying -  that is great.  I'm very happy for you, and that you saw your granddaughters, too.

 

I use heat patches for the dystonia. They are called Thermacare Heatwraps, and I use a microwaveable Heatwraps in the daytime.

 

I hope you sleep well.

 

Rosetta

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I'm going to drop my therapist and try a new one.  She told me I was lucky to be ok on what little fluoxetine I'm on, that it will eventually have to be increased, and that I will need to be on meds for the rest of my life.  She also said it was up to me, but in her opinion I would be courting disaster.  So, I've decided to try a new therapist.  He specializes in addictions and different kinds of therapies including CBT.  Breggin talks a lot about psychotherapy without ADs being efficacious for depression and anxiety.  I told the therapist via email that I have major depression and gad which I would like to learn to manage with CBT; that I want to taper off an SSRI; and that I need help dealing with side effects resulting from previous drug use.  I asked if he thought he could help me and was told to come in for a session and talk it over.  Sounds reasonable.  I feel different from any other time I have gone for help.  I feel like if I'm not treated like an equal or if I do not sense that I will get help with my goals, I will keep looking till I find what I'm looking for.

 

I had a fairly good day today, but the tinnitus started ramping up late this afternoon.  It's pretty intense right now, and I'm surfing this forum to try to distract myself and deal with anxiety.  I wonder if artificial sweeteners has negative effects on me.  I cut down my coffee to only a couple of cups of instant with milk, truvia and sweet & low.  I drink fresca mixed with half water and decaf tea with sweet & low.

 

Questions:  Does anyone have any advice about psychotherapy?

                     Do artificial sweeteners affect wd?

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Congratulations on taking matters into your own hands.  You do not need a therapist who is that brainwashed.  Surely if she had been on these drugs for 15 years and felt her health slip away she would be more open to the possibility that money has corrupted her profession.  My opinion is that the long term use of the meds PREVENT psychotherapy from working.  I'm not the only one who suspects that.  

 

There is a book called Feeling Good about CBT, and the Feeling Good workbook is a companion.  CBT worked for me in the early years until Celexa changed my personality and my cog function too much.  Even just reading the book used to lift my mood whether I did the exercises or not.  There is also DBT, D is for dialectic, which is quite interesting.  It used to be used for mental problems other than depression, but I' ve seen seen it suggested for depression.  It's been turned into a big money maker by a certain woman who has been very popular for many years, but, to me, the concept seems solid.  It has enough similarities to CBT that I would give it a shot.  

 

Basic psychotherapy - dredging up all the hurt and trying to conquer it even if the transgressors are dead or refuse to admit they abused one -- does not sit well with me.  It feels like self-abuse to me, and it made me more depressed.  I never felt better after remembering some abusive family member,'s behavior, talking about it for an hour and then leaving my therapist's office after hearing "time's up: we'll pick up here next week."  I felt worse!  I was re-traumatized, and then I was alone. My therapist wasn't there in the middle of that night or the next.  It was like a surgeon cutting into my body and saying "I'm out of time to finish today.  Sorry that the anesthesia will wear off in about an hour, but I'll have to start again tomorrow.  Have a nice night!"

 

CBT is there in the night or whenever one needs it.  It basically teaches you to be your own best friend.  It's like calling your best friend and saying "my boss did this and I feel this way" and CBT says back, "She was wrong; you don't deserve that sort of treatment, but it's over and feeling the way you continue to feel is harmful.  So, change your thinking: Do you need your boss to feel remorse or are you going to love yourself anyway?  Is there any evidence that if your boss feels no remorse that you can't be happy? No.  Is everything your boss does a reflection of your worth? No.  In fact, doesn't your boss make most people around her angry and upset? Yes.  The idea is that people are careless, mean, and remorseless all the time, but if you internalize that all day long you are being careless with your own feelings and mean to yourself, and if you keep doing that aren't you hurting yourself more than any one else ever could?  (Of course, looking for a new job might be in order, but when the new boss isn't 100% better, because people simply aren't much better - especially bosses -- you still have your best friend/CBT.)

 

Btw, DBT says: Is really true that you can't be happy just because your boss is crummy person? No.  What if you didn't believe that you can't be happy because she's a crumb?  I could be happy.  (When DBT gets irritating to me is when the question is:. Do you know it's true that the your boss is a crumb?  That question makes me angry, and anger always makes me depressed.  Depression is often anger turned inward.  Women have it more than men because men are allowed to express their anger in our culture but women are not.  So my answer is: Yes, she is crummy! How dare you question my perception and invalidate my feelings?!  . . So, DBT might have to be modified for depression because of that, in my opinion.

 

Hope that helps,

Rosetta

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17 hours ago, Rosetta said:

. So, DBT might have to be modified for depression because of that, in my opinion.

 

Hope that helps,

Rosetta

Thanks, Rosetta.  I'm in a really bad way.  Two days of relentless tinnitus.  I don't know how I'm still here.  I'm not feeling worthless; I'm feeling helpless and hopeless about this condition.  I haven't had a minute's peace, and I can't stand it anymore.

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I'm really sad to see you struggling so, RealMe.  My heart goes out to you. ((Hug)) - Rosetta

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5 hours ago, RealMe said:

 I'm in a really bad way.  Two days of relentless tinnitus.  I don't know how I'm still here.  I'm not feeling worthless; I'm feeling helpless and hopeless about this condition.  I haven't had a minute's peace, and I can't stand it anymore.

Hi RealMe, Thank you for stopping by my page today and your support.  I am so sorry you are suffering so terribly with this never ending tinnitus.  The feelings of hopelessness are a natural response when we are suffering. You have tried so many avenues to  try and alleviate this symptom.  I wish I could help you in some way.  Time may be the only cure. Does it get worse if you are anxious? Stressed?

Hugs to you from me. K

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Hi RM,

 

How are you feeling today?  I hope you have had a better day.  I wanted to thank you for your supportive message on my thread.  I asked you a question there but thought I'd pose it to you here in case you don't see it.  First I wanted to tell you how courageous you are to have started your taper. You decreased Prozac while still symptomatic, right?  Have you noticed any uptick in your symptoms?  I am just wondering in case I need to start decreasing when I am not in a very stable place - I've always been stable when initiating a taper but not sure that is going to happen this time around.

 

I hope you are doing ok today.

 

 

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2 hours ago, wantrelief said:

Hi RM,

 

How are you feeling today?  I hope you have had a better day.  I wanted to thank you for your supportive message on my thread.  I asked you a question there but thought I'd pose it to you here in case you don't see it.  First I wanted to tell you how courageous you are to have started your taper. You decreased Prozac while still symptomatic, right?  Have you noticed any uptick in your symptoms?  I am just wondering in case I need to start decreasing when I am not in a very stable place - I've always been stable when initiating a taper but not sure that is going to happen this time around.

 

I hope you are doing ok today.

 

 

Thank you, wantrelief.  Although it seems to be ramping up tonight, it was not nearly as bad today as it was yesterday when it was loud and constant.  Thank God for the window.  It's very annoying but not devastating today.  I took it very easy today and did not try to push myself at all, nor did I feel guilty about that.

 

I don't know what to say about stability.  It's so relative.  I started to taper from the prozac 10mg. to 9mg. (fluoxetine) because I read that prozac can exacerbate tinnitus, and a lot of my symptoms had gotten better.   Some are just as intense but different.  I haven't been what I would call really stable in many years.  I really don't know how to judge.  I'm sleeping, eating, showering, crying less, spending more time out of bed, making dinner, reaching out to people.  I consider that stable compared to what I was two months ago--crying all the time.  I cried a lot yesterday, but not today.   I'm going to stay on my current dose for at least a month or two.  Hopefully I will not have any worse WDs than I have now.  The difference between yesterday and today is quite dramatic.  I have to remember this window when a wave descends on me.

 

I haven't had a moderator stop in for a while, but if they do I would like to ask your question about stability.  How do you know if you are stable?  You said you were stable when initiating a taper in the past.  What exactly does that mean for you?

 

So glad to have you to talk to.  I know I can't be alone with my strange, conflicted and changeable thoughts!

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It is great to talk to you too!  I am so glad that you had a better day today, RM.  It is good to know that it can change and is good to remember as you said when you are in a wave.  

 

Thank you for answering my question about stability.  It sounds like you are doing better than you were two months ago - that is great to hear!  When I have tapered in the past, I have felt completely like myself so felt confident in starting a taper.  However, I am not sure I am ever going to go back to feeling like myself if my medication isn't working for me anymore. I am just feeling so ill right now I don't know how a taper would impact me but I guess I won't know unless I try.  I am not planning on doing anything immediately but am thinking about decreasing if my symptoms don't change at all in another month or so.

 

Do you feel like your symptoms have gotten worse since you decreased from 10 mg to 9 mg?

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, wantrelief said:

 

Do you feel like your symptoms have gotten worse since you decreased from 10 mg to 9 mg?

No, I don't think the wd symptoms have gotten worse.  I feel like the tinnitus symptom is the worst symptom I've ever had.  Sometimes my reaction to it (despondency, anxiety and SI) is worse;  and these symptoms (anxiety, despondency and SI) might actually be directly caused by WD itself, making the inability to cope more difficult.  It's impossible for me to tell.  I know I can't think myself into recovery from wd, but my mind keeps trying to do just that.  One thing I am pretty sure of is that most of the time I have way more mental clarity (less brain fog and mental confusion) now than I have had in quite a long time.  I guess that is my stability gauge.

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wantrelief

That is great that the wd symptoms have not gotten worse with the decrease!  And also great that you feel more mentally clear than you have in a long time - that sounds wonderful and so hopeful that you will just feel better and better as you decrease.  I really hope as time passes, the tinnitus gets better, as well as the other symptoms.

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1 hour ago, wantrelief said:

That is great that the wd symptoms have not gotten worse with the decrease!  And also great that you feel more mentally clear than you have in a long time - that sounds wonderful and so hopeful that you will just feel better and better as you decrease.  I really hope as time passes, the tinnitus gets better, as well as the other symptoms.

Thank you, wantrelief,

I hope you feel better too.  We'll get well together.

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Hi RealMe,

 

The word "tinnutis" flashed out and I thought of something that I have been using.  I don't know if it will help you, but thought it might be worth a try.  If you have Amazon Prime, you can get these for free, if not, I think they are very inexpensive, a buck or maybe 2 each.  They are these things called binaural beats and there are also some under the title(s) BMV Quantum Subliminal Don't worry there is no actual beating.  Usually, it is ocean sounds although some do have bird noises, which aren't my favorite but there are many to choose from.  Some are also subliminal. These have become my recent favorite.  They have one for almost everything.  The reason I thought of you is that I just came across one of the BMV ones on Tinnitus.  I have been using all kinds of them.  They have Subliminal Joy and Happiness, always a plus when those dark thoughts come.  Subliminal Depression Aide, as I said everything.  Some are actually quite funny.  Won't put them here.  It's odd but they make my brain feel like it is tingling.  I'm not sure how they work, but I have played them over and over on my computer when things have gotten really bad.  Anything to relieve some of the feelings and thoughts. 

 

Anyhow, we haven't been introduced, so hello, but I just wanted you to know.  I get so desperate for relief that I will try most anything.  Maybe they might work for you.  I do hope so.

take care,

JS

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