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MrAnxious

Everyone that has followed my case, knows how much I have struggled over the past 5 years. Withdrawal has greatly improved, but I am left with an adequate memory impairment and some brain fog and anxiety and minor depression and probably some derealization etc. 

 

Well one month ago I was talking to some nutritionalists and dieticians and I watched "what the health" and this decision came to me like the perfect storm, kinda like when withdrawal hit.

 

I went plant based one month ago and have already felt more energy, a touch of clarity and anxiety has gone down too. I just started ! Eating this way will detox the body, brain and soul. Cutting out meat and dairy , cut out so many toxins and chemicals that our bodies cannot process. When you go plant based, you eat lots of fruits, and a lot of veggies , and you get to create so many yummy meals. 

 

Facebook and the net have tons of groups and recipes to get started. If you can go "Raw Vegan" it really opens up the detox ports. You will really heal a lot of disease and disorders. The research speaks for itself. 

 

When you eat clean, you thrive. This may just help out on your withdrawal journey. 

 

Pm if you need any help~ everyone here was great and helpful in my recovery.

 

Cheers

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Lakelander82

Different diets work for different people. There have been many people who have went vegan/vegetarian and their health suffered as a consequence, being fatigued and weak and having a general lack of vibrancy from the lack of nourishing protein and nutrients such as B12 in meat. My own hunch is that a physically active man ie an athlete or manual labourer could not sustain himself adequately on a vegan/vegetarian diet. 

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10 hours ago, Lakelander82 said:

Different diets work for different people. There have been many people who have went vegan/vegetarian and their health suffered as a consequence, being fatigued and weak and having a general lack of vibrancy from the lack of nourishing protein and nutrients such as B12 in meat. My own hunch is that a physically active man ie an athlete or manual labourer could not sustain himself adequately on a vegan/vegetarian diet. 

I will stop you right there. (Mod Note:  Please see this post).  There is adequate protein, even more protein and a more complete protein in vegetables , than their is in meat. Studies prove so

 

Also you want to know if a man can handle it. Google the strong man in the world. He is plant based

 

I know a million people that will vouch for the validity of the benefits of a plant based diet. It is actually what we are suppose to eat, not dead corpse and rotten flesh. Your body and everyone else is designed to eat a plant based diet. The problem is we have listened to the wrong people and have been brainwashed all our life's to think otherwise.

 

The people that were weak and fatigued definitely have a difficient in some areas and I assume never ate a full whole foods plant based diet.

 

I am just letting people know for those who are interested and haven't gone this route, options are available. 

 

#Health First

 

Fun fact - Plant based lifestyle actually reverses cardiovascular disease. Do you know why ? Its because our cells are alive and our food is alive. Go cook some meat and nourish yourself with Anti biotics and hormones...No thanks

 

Won't be back to this post if it is just people trying to poo poo on stuff they don't know, nor took time to educate themselves on the subject. 

 

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Lakelander82

It’s called an opinion, get over yourself (Mod Note:  Please see this post). In relation to not knowing about stuff or educating myself on the subject, I take it you have undertaken ground breaking research on the health benefits of the vegan/vegetarian diet on the human body? 

 

Did you know for example that the healthiest hearts in the world were found in a carnivorous tribe in Bolivia? 

 

The strongest man in the world is Brian Shaw if I’m not mistaken, it’s a competition I watch every year at Christmas time. I’m 100 percent certain Brian is a dedicated carnivore...

 

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2 hours ago, MrAnxious said:

I will stop you right there.

 

1 hour ago, Lakelander82 said:

get over yourself.

 

MrAnxious and Lakelander please be more courteous in the way you post your views.

 

SA is happy for people to post about what works for them because it may help someone else.  However, SA expects members to treat each other with respect regardless of their difference of opinion.

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Lakelander82

Mod Note:  Please refrain from responding to Lakelander's post and get this thread back on topic.  Please see this post.

 

With respect Chessie, it wasn’t me who got personal in the first place, but I did respond in kind - I’ll admit that. I get the feeling that the original poster posted with the intention of everybody agreeing with him and corroborating his statements, and got rather arsey when someone had the temerity to disagree with him. It’s a internet forum after all, people have the right to agree and disagree with one another. 

 

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Lakelander, I understand you wanting to justify your comments (I am referring to your last post).  However, I have found that it is generally better, especially when it comes to the internet, to "bite your tongue" and not respond because it is actually a reaction, not a response.  And by making your last post you are inviting the OP to then justify their comments and so the cycle begins.

 

And we need to remember what SA's goal is:  to inform and support people to get off their psychiatric drugs.

 

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nick1990

Alright, time for me to jump in.

 

Most people are entirely ignorant of the role food plays in living a full, healthy and happy life. Not to mention the exponential healing the right food can bring about. 

 

The subject of a plant based lifestyle has been one which has been almost all consuming for me for the past 6 years + of my life. 

 

Let me tell you now, that a plant based diet, no matter what you have been led to believe by the lies of the media and industries at play - is without doubt one of the greatest ways to heal your body. 

 

I have done the research, i have looked at it from all angles. 

 

Now, the problem is that a lot of so called "vegans" or "vegetarians" have done society a huge disfavour by making ignorant claims of all sorts. Also, you only need to look at your average teenage hipster vegan to see how malnourished some of these people can be.

 

Let me say this. I really believe through the evidence, the science and all that i have seen - that plant based living is the answer BUT and a very big BUT... IT MUST BE DONE THE RIGHT WAY.  Variety is key. Organic, non GMO is also key. Fats, proteins, carbs, sugars - raw, cooked, unprocessed. 

 

You really need to do your own research if you are to do this right. 

 

At the end of the day, theres nothing found in animal products, which we can't find in plants. Even B12 - a common myth that it is originates from animals is untrue. B12 comes from the soil. The problem is, our soil is soooo void of life and nutrients now days, that its hard to get adequate amounts in our diet. Supplement vegan B12. Easy solution. 

 

Meat kills . It kills innocent creatures no less deserving of life than ourselves, it kills the environment and the planet & and it kills us. Same with dairy and eggs and commercial fisheries. 

 

Once you realise that industry is as much at play with our food, as Big Pharma is with our health - it changes everything. 

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12 hours ago, nick1990 said:

 Alright, time for me to jump in.

 

Most people are entirely ignorant of the role food plays in living a full, healthy and happy life. Not to mention the exponential healing the right food can bring about. 

 

The subject of a plant based lifestyle has been one which has been almost all consuming for me for the past 6 years + of my life. 

 

Let me tell you now, that a plant based diet, no matter what you have been led to believe by the lies of the media and industries at play - is without doubt one of the greatest ways to heal your body. 

 

I have done the research, i have looked at it from all angles. 

 

Now, the problem is that a lot of so called "vegans" or "vegetarians" have done society a huge disfavour by making ignorant claims of all sorts. Also, you only need to look at your average teenage hipster vegan to see how malnourished some of these people can be.

 

Let me say this. I really believe through the evidence, the science and all that i have seen - that plant based living is the answer BUT and a very big BUT... IT MUST BE DONE THE RIGHT WAY.  Variety is key. Organic, non GMO is also key. Fats, proteins, carbs, sugars - raw, cooked, unprocessed. 

 

You really need to do your own research if you are to do this right. 

 

At the end of the day, theres nothing found in animal products, which we can't find in plants. Even B12 - a common myth that it is originates from animals is untrue. B12 comes from the soil. The problem is, our soil is soooo void of life and nutrients now days, that its hard to get adequate amounts in our diet. Supplement vegan B12. Easy solution. 

 

Meat kills . It kills innocent creatures no less deserving of life than ourselves, it kills the environment and the planet & and it kills us. Same with dairy and eggs and commercial fisheries. 

 

Once you realise that industry is as much at play with our food, as Big Pharma is with our health - it changes everything. 

 

I accept your point of view Nick. It is your right to promote veganism/vegetarianism as much as it is my right to promote the Paleo lifestyle. I do find however that a lot of the vegan/vegetarian propaganda out there is as much about animal ethics as it is about the health benefits of veganism/vegetarianism. 

It is my opinion that we were born to live of the land as well as the animals on it. When we were hunter gatherers, we survived by spearing the deer or boar on the land and feasting on it. We didn't get through those early days (many of them very cold) by crushing up some dandelion leaves and nettles with water and making it into some sort of smoothie to drink. I therefore believe we have evolved to eat meat. Look at all the top Boxers/MMA stars from Anthony Joshua to Conor Mcgregor to Gennady Golovkin to Floyd Mayweather, the vast majority follow a Paleo diet and they are in top, top shape. The same goes for professional footballers, Rugby players etc, the very epitome of health and fitness.  They follow a diet that gives them ample energy to perform at the top level. Myself, I'm 5ft 10 and around 176lbs. My body fat is around 18 percent (I'd like it a wee bit lower but not too low). I've perfect blood pressure and my cholesterol is bang on as well. I run, swim, bike, do bodyweight exercises and by any measure am in good shape. The meat and two veg diet certainly hasn't done me any harm to date. 

Not withstanding the fact that I disagree with the vegetarian lifestyle, I find it exceptionally boring to exist on fruit and vegetables alone. Don't get me wrong, I love eating vegetables and fruit. I think we should all eat more of them but a diet that exists solely of these ingredients is unnecessarily restrictive not to mention seriously bland and unappetising, no matter how much herbs or seasoning you add to them. Many of the green vegetable smoothies taste like pond water without some sort of fruit to sweeten them up. I therefore follow a varied diet for my sanity as much as my physical health. 

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freespirit

While I would love to be eating a plant-based diet, it's simply not possible at the moment. I still suffer some of the effects from histamine...which I believe is a direct result of 10 years of being on Remeron--a powerful antihistamine. In addition, without eating some animal protein, I have extreme low blood sugar from exercising. Exercise is a very important aspect of my health and I do whatever I can to be healthy. I hope in time, to be able to eat beans, tofu, etc and stop eating meat. Ethically, I don't feel good about consuming animal products.. But I also don't feel it's a good idea to risk at this point, what I've spent a great deal of time and energy building.

 

The internet is full of people promoting one viewpoint or another. A lot of it is contradictory. I have never found diet to be all that simple. Everyone is different, with different needs. Things change over time too. I find it more useful to respond to what my body is telling me, than to follow someone's idea of what I need.

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IrishMonkey92

I have to say a few points.

1) 'What the health' has done a great disservice to the Vegan/Veggie community. It was debunked by so many on the internet, and was deemed quite the parody due to the ridiculous and unscientific claims that was made. 

2) No one human is different. For example, we all suffer entirely different symptoms, even though we've all been subjected to antidepressants. This is true for diet too. However, I'm in general agreement that we are omnivorous. Our teeth and history as hunter gathers show that we are definitely not meant to exclude meat. 

3) The strongest people in the world are not vegans. 

4) There are people on ketogenic diet that have reversed many of the ailments you claim being vegan/veggie do. Diabetes, cardiovascular disease, MS, Migraines, Epilepsy,    Ulcerative Colitis, Brain Cancer particularly and other cancers in general, complete turn around in their blood profiles to remarkable levels. 

5) "Meat kills animals, and it kills us". You speak as if we'll be immortal if we convert to being meat free. We are ALL going to die at some point and eating meat will not change a thing about that. 

We can all agree... eating clean as possible meat free or not, is beneficial to us. 

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On ‎19‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 8:29 PM, MrAnxious said:

Everyone that has followed my case, knows how much I have struggled over the past 5 years. Withdrawal has greatly improved, but I am left with an adequate memory impairment and some brain fog and anxiety and minor depression and probably some derealization etc. 

 

Well one month ago I was talking to some nutritionalists and dieticians and I watched "what the health" and this decision came to me like the perfect storm, kinda like when withdrawal hit.

 

I went plant based one month ago and have already felt more energy, a touch of clarity and anxiety has gone down too. I just started ! Eating this way will detox the body, brain and soul. Cutting out meat and dairy , cut out so many toxins and chemicals that our bodies cannot process. When you go plant based, you eat lots of fruits, and a lot of veggies , and you get to create so many yummy meals. 

 

Facebook and the net have tons of groups and recipes to get started. If you can go "Raw Vegan" it really opens up the detox ports. You will really heal a lot of disease and disorders. The research speaks for itself. 

 

When you eat clean, you thrive. This may just help out on your withdrawal journey. 

 

Pm if you need any help~ everyone here was great and helpful in my recovery.

 

Cheers

Hi MA .I'm a couple of days into this diet/lifestyle ,my partner is a vegan the last 2 years and I always ate some of her meals but I always gravitated back to my meat ,I'm  fairly healthy always cook from scratch but ive had a slow transition with getting fed up with eating meat ,I remember one day eating meat and there was zero flavour off it and the meals I would eat with her were full of flavour ,I ate in a vegan restaurant a few months ago and OMG the flavour was amazing .

She did bring a vegan desert home from a fair one day and I ate it and it was full of sugary icing [vegan junk food ].ok the person that made that mite have there ethics in the correct vain but sugar is junk no matter were it is .

 

Friday was a terrible day for me ,I'm being ripped apart because of withdrawl and its touch and go with my partner ,it turns out me being honest hasn't helped me .all it does is scare the life out of people and in turn they freak out and might  never see ye in the same light ever again .

 

I seen your post on  Friday and the coincidence of what you wrote about and the terrifying reality  of what's happened to me  [I could literally be homeless ]shook me to the core .

 

everyone on the planet has an agenda ,the meat industry will pay for a favourable study for them ,egg ,fish ,pharmaceutical and so on  ,you see my point .we can only do what's right for us .

 

This is the  main reason we are all on this site ,the sheer pain and torture we endure because of these meds that in decades will be proven to be a disgrace .

keep in touch with your progress ,I've been following this guy all weekend .

Take care 

PB

 

 

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Love your video, powerback!

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LilyBlueRose

I felt like death and so did my husband on vegan and plant based diets. We both tried for many years, and even had a plant based Dr helping us along the way. I truly believe different diets work for different people! I do best with a whole foods diet, gluten/dairy free and minimal processed foods. 

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8 hours ago, Kalinia said:

I felt like death and so did my husband on vegan and plant based diets. We both tried for many years, and even had a plant based Dr helping us along the way. I truly believe different diets work for different people! I do best with a whole foods diet, gluten/dairy free and minimal processed foods. 

ye exactly kalinia ,the main thing is  we make sure we are  getting the dense nutrients our body needs ,for months I was eating good quality meats and eggs .eating healthy for our well being takes a lot of learning to do write and it will be the best learning anyone can do .the biggest culprit is sugar .

the thing I love about plant based/ wholefoods is ,there's only one or two sections in the supermarket you need to go to or farmers market of course .

 

I'm not judging your doctor but there's a running theme with all of them can we ever trust them again in any form they come ,don't get me wrong there's loads I follow but we need to pay attention to our own bodies rather than getting the opinion and running with it totally .

Respect 

PB

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hi I thought this be the best place for this video ,mods welcome to move it if need be .

I'm not promoting this way of eating I was a meat eater myself until last week but I'm cleaning up my diet in the hopes of getting through withdrawal and recovery ,

I found it a good video on helping understand the nutritional and science of the diet .

PB

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bruno2016

def this is an individual thing. I myself saw lots of improvements eating a low sugar, low-moderate carb, primal type diet. I followed a Dr Wahls type protocol with lots of veggies, fruits, nuts, seeds and high quality meats. I felt my best eating wild fish, veggies, and fruit. There was a point where i went almost exclusively vegan (more so as an experiment) and I did not like how i felt. With added wild fish or slow stewed meats, i felt much better. 

 

I currently work within the fitness industry and i will tell you that people have all sorts of weird, dogmatic beliefs when it comes to diet. I generally encourage people to eat like their ancestors (i.e. eat clean, high quality foods that you make yourself) did and stay away from all the processed foods, sugars, over-consumption of grains, etc and this usually works fine for clients.

 

Iv come across quite a few vegetarians (havent worked with a 100% vegan yet) who were very unhealthy and when we added wild fish and bone broths, that helped a lot (among other things). Again, this is all very individual and if you feel you best eating a certain way, by all means go for it. I can tell you right now that I also ate tons of liver, even raw liver, and felt amazing from that too! 

 

I have said it before that diet was probably the most important aspect of becoming functional again---time right up there with diet/nutrition too. So I always encourage people to start with a simple, clean way of eating and then go from there. If you get too caught up in the dogmatic beliefs, myths, etc this will just become a stressor for you. Dont stress about eating a certain way. keep it simple, nourish your body, and let time do its work. 

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Lakelander82

My cousin once asked me, if all the vegan propaganda is true would it be worth eating rabbit food the rest of your life to expand your life by 3 or 4 years? I replied by saying you’ve answered your own question. 

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On 10/26/2017 at 3:54 PM, bruno2016 said:

def this is an individual thing. I myself saw lots of improvements eating a low sugar, low-moderate carb, primal type diet. I followed a Dr Wahls type protocol with lots of veggies, fruits, nuts, seeds and high quality meats. I felt my best eating wild fish, veggies, and fruit. There was a point where i went almost exclusively vegan (more so as an experiment) and I did not like how i felt. With added wild fish or slow stewed meats, i felt much better. 

 

I currently work within the fitness industry and i will tell you that people have all sorts of weird, dogmatic beliefs when it comes to diet. I generally encourage people to eat like their ancestors (i.e. eat clean, high quality foods that you make yourself) did and stay away from all the processed foods, sugars, over-consumption of grains, etc and this usually works fine for clients.

 

Iv come across quite a few vegetarians (havent worked with a 100% vegan yet) who were very unhealthy and when we added wild fish and bone broths, that helped a lot (among other things). Again, this is all very individual and if you feel you best eating a certain way, by all means go for it. I can tell you right now that I also ate tons of liver, even raw liver, and felt amazing from that too! 

 

I have said it before that diet was probably the most important aspect of becoming functional again---time right up there with diet/nutrition too. So I always encourage people to start with a simple, clean way of eating and then go from there. If you get too caught up in the dogmatic beliefs, myths, etc this will just become a stressor for you. Dont stress about eating a certain way. keep it simple, nourish your body, and let time do its work. 

How long are you committed to the Wahls protocol?  I’ve seen her ted talk thought this would be something that would truly make a difference in my health.  Clean eating, exercise, meditation, and yoga are all we need insure the best results.

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1 hour ago, Webhead21 said:

How long are you committed to the Wahls protocol?  I’ve seen her ted talk thought this would be something that would truly make a difference in my health.  Clean eating, exercise, meditation, and yoga are all we need insure the best results.

well i started a paleo diet towards the end of the first year or so. It really helped me stabilize some of my symptoms. I then began refining, exploring, and experimenting since I was suffering for the first couple years. I stumbled upon things like GAPS, veganism, Wahls, keto, etc. GAPS made a lot of sense to me--start with improving and healing the digestive system. AD drugs DO affect the digestive system and so thats where i started. I think I did GAPS for about 7-9 months and all in all think it really did help me. 

 

I stayed eating a gaps/paleo type diet and about two years ago i bought the Wahls book. That too made lots of sense to me. I stuck to that for a few months then began loosening up and consuming things like goat kefir and a few other things like white rice. You are required to eat lots of plant foods and I did have trouble with that for a while because of my busy schedule. Also, my body doesnt seem to like too many hard core greens (perhaps because the oxalates) so I was trying to get lots of the required greens from non oxalate plant foods like mustard greens and bok chuy, for example. Also, I do not do well with spirulina and algaes in general so took those out. 

 

Anyways, I would say I am a mix of GAPS, Wahls, and paleo auto-immune. I really feel the homemade goat kefir keeps my belly in great shape. I also continue to try and eat plant foods with each meal, especially the dark colored(beets, berries, etc) ones that wahls talks about.

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CMK5496

Yes!  My daughter has been vegan for some time, and has been trying for months to get me on board.  She also is a naturalist, and we;ve discussed my dependence on antidepressants too.  I watched "What the Health" and some other food documentaries too.  

I have been vegan now for 2 months.  I saw it as a first step to my pre-taper.  The thing I've noticed most is I have no headaches.  I've had a headache every day of my life for at least 10 years.  They are completely gone.  I;ve not lost any weight, but I do have more energy.  My cravings for salt and sugar are gone.  And I enjoy cooking so much now..getting creative with spices, especially Indian food.

 

I'm hoping this change will make it easier when I start my taper.  Glad to see your post!

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