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MOD NOTE:  Ihateeffexor created a membership and another person helped her to type the first couple of posts.  Ihateeffexor is now able to post for herself.

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Hello, 

I am actually writing on behalf of my friend who is in a very bad shape right now. She was on effexor for 1,5 years and tapered for 3 months 45 mg to 0. She had really bad withdrawal symtoms for 2 months after the last pill but then started to feel better. A couple of weeks ago she had some alcohol and partying with friends and ever since her symtoms has come back and they are much worse now. She was ok for 3 months but the alcohol seems to have made the symtoms come back, the day after she was drunk. Is this what you call kindling? And is there a chance she will recovrr from this? She is bedridden atm.

 

Thank you all! 

 

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- I was on Effexor from September 2015 - April 2017 (exactly one and a half year).

- I was on 75 mg the first 6 months and then 37,5 for a whole year. I tapered down 37.5 to zero in 2 months after which I had horrible wd symtoms for 2 more months.

- After 2 months I started to feel better and was recovering from symtoms - this period lasted 3 months until I drank some alcohol with friends and now all symtoms are back, 10x worse. 

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ChessieCat

Hi Ihateeffexor,

 

Welcome to SA.  Your friend is lucky to have someone who cares about them like you do.  However, it is very difficult for us to help other people through someone else.  Because we are making suggestions which concern a person's health and well being and there may be things that you don't know about the other person we recommend that the person needing assistance joins SA so that we can support them directly.

 

I will, however, give you some information which you could pass on to your friend.

 

SA recommends tapering a psychiatric drug by no more than 10% of the previous dose followed by a hold of about 4 weeks which allows the brain to adapt to not getting as much of the drug.  If we go too fast off a drug we experience withdrawal symptoms.  When we taper slowly we may still experience withdrawal symptoms, but they are usually mild and don't last for long.

 

When we are tapering, even when we are doing SA's recommended tapering, we need to take care of ourselves and not do things (eg too much exercise, expose ourselves to stressful situations), eat certain things or drink certain things (caffeine, alcohol), which can upset our central nervous system and can make our symptoms worse.

 

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

Dr Joseph Glenmullen's WD Symptoms Checklist

 

Withdrawal Symptoms - Delayed Onset

 

Brain Remodelling


Video:  Healing From Antidepressants - Patterns of Recovery 

 

Please tell your friend about SA and suggest that they join.  We can then discuss with them about reinstating a very small dose of Effexor, to reduce the withdrawal symptoms.  They would then be able to taper off the drug more slowly.

 

 


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Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 17 Oct 2020:  Pristiq 0.56 mg (compounded + liquid)

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Ihateeffexor

Hi ChessieCat. 

 

First of all, thank you for replying to the previous post I appreciate it very much.  It is now I who is talking while my friend is typing because I am not capable of doing it myself at the moment. 

 

I understand that I must have tapered to fast when I decided to quit effexor. The thing is that, after the horrible months  after the last pill, I was feeling good  functioning well enough so that I could work. My symtoms started to go away after 7-8 after the last pill and I feeling ok/good and improving for 3-4 months til now. I drank alcohol a couple of weeks ago and all the symtoms came back. Now I am feeling terrible but the fish oil is helping me a little.

 

I am very worried that might have done something terrible to my brain because I feeling worse every day and hour. Could I have made some permanent damage/changes to my brain? 

 

Is there no other way than to start effexor again? 

 

Thank you once again, 

 

 


- I was on Effexor from September 2015 - April 2017 (exactly one and a half year).

- I was on 75 mg the first 6 months and then 37,5 for a whole year. I tapered down 37.5 to zero in 2 months after which I had horrible wd symtoms for 2 more months.

- After 2 months I started to feel better and was recovering from symtoms - this period lasted 3 months until I drank some alcohol with friends and now all symtoms are back, 10x worse. 

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ChessieCat

You are welcome.

 

We understand that sometimes people are embarrassed and don't  provide us with the real situation. 

 

The moderators of SA are volunteers and we are experiencing our own withdrawal and life situations.  One withdrawal symptom which many of us experience is cog fog.  We moderate on this site because we want to help people.

 

So that we don't get confused we need to sort this out right at the beginning.  I am not being accusatory when asking this question, it's just that if we don't get it worked out at the start it can become very complicated.  I hope you understand why I am asking this.

 

Q:  Is the person who signed up with the name "Ihateeffexor" really the friend of a person who went off the drug?

 

If the answer is Yes, then Ihateeffexor's friend please sign up as a member and start your own Intro topic here

Introductions and updates

 so we can support you using your own member name.

 

 

If the answer is No, please be honest so that we can start helping you directly without the complication of a "friend".

 

Thank you.

 

Once we have the answer to this question we will be able to support and provide suggestions for the person who came off the drug.


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 17 Oct 2020:  Pristiq 0.56 mg (compounded + liquid)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Ihateeffexor

Hi ChessieCat. It is now I who is directly writing you. I suffering from symtoms and my friend was only helping me with the previous posts because it is very hard for me to use a computer now. You can speak directly to me now. I apologize for the confusion. 


- I was on Effexor from September 2015 - April 2017 (exactly one and a half year).

- I was on 75 mg the first 6 months and then 37,5 for a whole year. I tapered down 37.5 to zero in 2 months after which I had horrible wd symtoms for 2 more months.

- After 2 months I started to feel better and was recovering from symtoms - this period lasted 3 months until I drank some alcohol with friends and now all symtoms are back, 10x worse. 

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ChessieCat

Thank you for clarifying.  I am pleased that you are able to "talk" with us directly now.  It will make it so much easier. :)  Welcome to SA!

 

I will add your member name to this topic and move it to the Introductions area.

 

The first thing we ask all members to do is to create their drug signature.  This is so we can see your drug history whenever you post.  This information will help us be able to make suggestions about your own situation.  Please follow these instructions:

 

A request: Would you summarize your history in a signature - ALL drugs, doses, dates, and discontinuations & reinstatements, in the last 12-24 months particularly?

  • Please leave out symptoms and diagnoses.
  • A list is easier to understand than one or multiple paragraphs. 
  • Any drugs prior to 24 months ago can just be listed with start and stop years.
  • Please use actual dates or approximate dates (mid-June, Late October) rather than relative time frames (last week, 3 months ago)
  • Spell out months, e.g. "October" or "Oct."; 9/1/2016 can be interpreted as Jan. 9, 2016 or Sept. 1, 2016.
  • Link to Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature.

 

Once we have this information we will be better able to answer your questions.

 

This is your own Introduction topic where you can ask questions and journal your progress.

 

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Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 17 Oct 2020:  Pristiq 0.56 mg (compounded + liquid)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Ihateeffexor

Hi ChessieCat. It is very hard for me to even look at my computer screen so I'll fill in that info when I can. Right now I am just worried about my health. I am so scared that I have messed something in my brain after I drank alcohol. I am suffering terrible symtoms and I don't know what to to. I was fine for 3 months before this. I was recovering. 


- I was on Effexor from September 2015 - April 2017 (exactly one and a half year).

- I was on 75 mg the first 6 months and then 37,5 for a whole year. I tapered down 37.5 to zero in 2 months after which I had horrible wd symtoms for 2 more months.

- After 2 months I started to feel better and was recovering from symtoms - this period lasted 3 months until I drank some alcohol with friends and now all symtoms are back, 10x worse. 

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Ihateeffexor

Hi everyone. I was in recovery and feeling better for 3 months til I had some alcohol (4-5 glasses of wine) with friends and all my symtoms came back. I am feeling worse every day now and scared to death that I might have done some permanent damage? I didn't know the alcohol would affect me this much. Am I screwed or can I stay hopeful that I'll recover? 


- I was on Effexor from September 2015 - April 2017 (exactly one and a half year).

- I was on 75 mg the first 6 months and then 37,5 for a whole year. I tapered down 37.5 to zero in 2 months after which I had horrible wd symtoms for 2 more months.

- After 2 months I started to feel better and was recovering from symtoms - this period lasted 3 months until I drank some alcohol with friends and now all symtoms are back, 10x worse. 

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2 hours ago, Ihateeffexor said:

Hi everyone. I was in recovery and feeling better for 3 months til I had some alcohol (4-5 glasses of wine) with friends and all my symtoms came back. I am feeling worse every day now and scared to death that I might have done some permanent damage? I didn't know the alcohol would affect me this much. Am I screwed or can I stay hopeful that I'll recover? 

so sorry to hear I wish I can help.hoping it turn around soon for you.


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Here are some discussions about alcohol:

 

alcohol-withdrawal-syndrome

 

beer

 


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 17 Oct 2020:  Pristiq 0.56 mg (compounded + liquid)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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ChessieCat
49 minutes ago, powerback said:

stay away from the alcohol and learn the non drug techniques and give yourself time ,I know its  painful but don't loose hope ,you will get there .

PB

 

Here is the SA topic:  Non-drug techniques to cope


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 17 Oct 2020:  Pristiq 0.56 mg (compounded + liquid)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Emma7855

Ihateeffexor, how are you doing now? Hoping the best for you.


  • 2015:
    • January: Started taking Xanax (.25mg) as needed
    • May: Weekend of trying LSD, psilocybin mushrooms, MDMA
    • May: Discontinued Xanax (CT'd)
    • July: Started taking Prozac (0 --> 40mg)
    • November: Started taking Lamictal (0 --> 150mg)
  • 2018:
    • May: Tapered off Prozac
    • July: Started taking Klonopin (0.125mg) as needed
  • 2019:
    • March: Discontinued birth control pills (~10 years)
    • May: Discontinued Klonopin (CT'd)
    • April --> July: Tapered off Lamictal (150mg --> 0: 125mg for 3 weeks, 100mg for 3 weeks, 75mg for 3 weeks, 50mg for 2 weeks, 25mg for 1 week)
    • Mid-July: Reinstated Lamictal (25mg) after 3 days of discontinuation 
    • Mid-August: Increased Lamictal (25 --> 50mg)
    • September: Decreased Lamictal (50 --> 37.5mg)
    • December: Decreased Lamictal (37.5 --> 35 mg); started taking Trileptal (4 mg)
  • 2020:
    • January: Took one birth control pill
    • April - June: Used curcumin cream (daily), 1% hydrocortisone cream (as needed), Elidel cream (as needed)

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Dave1

How are you feeling now? / I’m in a similar situation with withdrawal that was made worse by alcohol. It’s really scary. 


2012-2019 Nardil/phenelzine (maoi) - 45MG

2019 Xanax - 1.5MG

(I went cold turkey off both in August 2019)

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admike

Same experience here- one glass is not a problem, but getting drunk means a few days of much worse wd symptoms like anxienty and tinnitus. Do not get drunk while tapering, you gonna regret it the next day 😕


Cipralex (lexapro) 2009-2009

Velaxin 75mg XR (venlafaxine, effexor) 2009-now

anxiety got worse during treatement

cold turkey 2019, reinstated after 4 days, developed persisting tinnitus

tapering since 2019 (current dosage about 15mg) 

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