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Hellbutrin
20 hours ago, SkyBlue said:

 

If you're interested in learning more about reinstatement, here is a link about it. Keep in mind that you're now several months out from your rapid taper, 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/7562-about-reinstating-and-stabilizing-to-reduce-withdrawal-symptoms/

 

Right, that is my main concern. But I'm also worried that this withdrawal could possibly be doing further damage to my brain. I feel like I'm getting steadily worse. My baseline is not getting any better. I'm almost at 10 months post C/T, so I don't know how I will handle it if I continue to get worse. I'm also not sure why I seem to get steadily worse, from most of the accounts I've read, base lines are supposed to get better over time. I feel like I'm some sort of anomaly... But I guess everyone that goes through this probably feels like that to some extent... Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it.


  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 

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Altostrata
On 4/16/2018 at 3:08 PM, Hellbutrin said:

It's the most bizarre thing. I haven't had a menstrual cycle for the last three months in a row and I've been in withdrawal for 9 months. I'm wondering if this is normal and if this is just one of the many areas of my body's biological clock that has been ravaged by withdrawal. It's frustrating not knowing if I should worry about this or not, I'm only 28 so there's no reason that my cycles should have stopped all of a sudden..

 

Are you eating regularly? Is there any possibility you might be pregnant?

 

On 4/19/2018 at 4:02 PM, Hellbutrin said:

Hi Altostrata,

 

What would you recommend for people that are in my situation?

 

I tried to taper off of Wellbutrin 9 months ago by skipping days for three weeks, obviously this was not nearly long enough for a "taper" and my doctor told me to taper by skipping doses, which obviously made my situation worse. I'm terrified that I might have permanently destabilized my nervous system. I haven't had ANY windows in the 9 months since I quit taking the medication. On bay days I'm suicidal and on good days I feel like hell. I still have all of the classic withdrawal symptoms such as anhedonia, memory loss, lack of ability to concentrate on anything, depression and anxiety, head pressure, muscle burning and intrusive thoughts. None of which did I have prior to quitting the medication, I started taking Wellbutrin for some mild anxiety that I was having at school, and now I'm here. I've been seeing frequent reports of individuals who end up in protracted withdrawal for years, and in some cases permanently. I know that typically these are cases of individuals who had been taking the medication at high doses for decades, and I was only taking the lowest dosage of mine for less than two years. But I feel like with how extreme my reactions have been so far, that I could end up being one of those lucky few that gets stuck like this. I know that this is a negative way to think, but I want to be prepared for how I'm going to handle this. I don't want to reinstate, and I don't want to ever take another psychiatric drug ever again. But I'm starting to wonder if I need to start thinking about some other options since I'm this far into withdrawal and I feel like I'm getting worse. 

 

Hellbutrin, you've been wavering on reinstatement since last August. Are you at a point where you might as well give it a try?

 

Have you had problems with health anxiety in the past?


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Hellbutrin
13 hours ago, Altostrata said:

 

Are you eating regularly? Is there any possibility you might be pregnant?

 

 

Hellbutrin, you've been wavering on reinstatement since last August. Are you at a point where you might as well give it a try?

 

Have you had problems with health anxiety in the past?

Hi Alto,

 

Yes, I’m eating regularly and no there’s no chance I could be pregnant, I’m abstinent.

 

I have a lot of significant concerns about reinstatement. I tried it about 5 days after when I first C/T, my plan was to reinstate and then taper off much slowly. But I ended up doing a rapid taper of only a few weeks because the reinstatement didn’t help. I also read your excerpt about reinstatement, and you said that sometimes it can go paradoxical, that’s pretty much the main thing that’s keeping me from trying it. I know you say we all eventually heal, but I’m so concerned that I haven’t seen any improvement in my symptoms yet. 

 

The only symptom that that seems to have improved is my sleep. I’m consistently getting around 5-6 hours per night, and have been for most nights the last 2 months. The other mental symptoms have stayed pretty much the same, or gotten steadily worse.

 

I’ve had significant health anxiety since my C/T, but I never had it prior to using psych drugs, or while using them. 

 

Thanks for your feedback, sorry I’m a downer, I can tell my posts frustrate you. I genuinely do try not to post that often. If I posted as often as I had a question I’d be posting multiple times per day. Thanks for all that you do, this forum is a life saver.


  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 

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Altostrata

You've been seeking certainty about reinstatement, how long will this last, etc. Believe me, if we could give you definite answers, we would.

 

As we've said before, there are no guarantees regarding reinstatement. However, it does seem to help a lot of people, and we recommend very small test doses to limit any adverse effects. That's all the assurance we can give. The decision is up to you.


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Hellbutrin
2 hours ago, Altostrata said:

You've been seeking certainty about reinstatement, how long will this last, etc. Believe me, if we could give you definite answers, we would.

 

As we've said before, there are no guarantees regarding reinstatement. However, it does seem to help a lot of people, and we recommend very small test doses to limit any adverse effects. That's all the assurance we can give. The decision is up to you.

If I attempt to try reinstatement is there a chance that if it fails I will be set back in the progress that I've made so far if I have to stop taking it again?

 


  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 

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Altostrata

If you have an adverse reaction to reinstatement, it will take some time for you to recover from that.


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Hellbutrin

I've been having localized headaches and an extremely itchy scalp for the past few days. I don't have a dry scalp or anything like that, so I'm wondering if this could be a sign that my brain is trying to heal itself. Somewhere akin to a healing injury starting to itch when it starts healing. Anyone have familiarity with this particular symptom? At 10.5 months post C/T, new symptoms seem to pop up everyday. 


  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 

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Altostrata

The itching is probably something you're putting on your hair. Are you itchy anywhere else?

 

Your brain does not express itself through your scalp. The headaches could be withdrawal-related. Are you light-sensitive? Do you have allergies?


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Hellbutrin
On 5/23/2018 at 4:09 PM, Altostrata said:

The itching is probably something you're putting on your hair. Are you itchy anywhere else?

 

Your brain does not express itself through your scalp. The headaches could be withdrawal-related. Are you light-sensitive? Do you have allergies?

Hi Alto,

 

Sorry, I just came back to my introduction topic and realized that you had left a posting, but it didn't alert me for some reason.

 

I haven't changed my shampoo or anything like that, so I don't know if it's something I put in my hair, I guess I could be developing a sensitivity to the shampoo I normally use. 

 

I don't have any allergies that I know of,  but I used to be able to eat extremely spicy food and now I can't eat anything even remotely spicy.

 

I have developed light sensitivity since being withdrawal that I didn't have before. I think it could partially be because I rarely go outdoors anymore unless I'm in a car so my eyes don't get a lot of bright light exposure. 


  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 

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Altostrata

If you're light-sensitive, you could get headaches from too much light. Wearing dark glasses can help.


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Hellbutrin

Can anyone direct me to success stories from people that recovered from dopaminergic agonist drugs like Wellbutrin? I’ve read so many and could really use some encouragement.


  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 

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Altostrata

Hellbutrin, you've asked some version of this question a million times. The answer is still the same. Please use search in Introductions.


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RachelSusan

I haven't gone through your thread, so I don't know if anyone has sent you this link.

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/forum/28-success-stories-recovery-from-withdrawal/

 

Rachel


Find my story here:  http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/12649-rachelsusan-my-zoloft-story-on-off-reinstated-in-trouble/?hl=rachelsusan

HISTORY

Feb. 2016 to June 2016  - Was on 100mg to 150mg Zoloft. 

Quit Zoloft (Sertraline) June  2016,  reinstated 50mg of Zoloft July 2016.  From July 2016  to October 2016 went from 50 mg down 2.3 mg. I up-dosed in November 2016 to 12.5 mg. Held there until January 2017 when I started a much slower taper.

STARTING SENSIBLE  ZOLOFT TAPERING USING GUIDELINES FROM THIS SITE

Dec. 10 2016  - switched to Liquid Zoloft (Sertraline) @ 12.5 mg.   Jan 19, 2017 reduced to 12.0 mg (4%).   Feb 9 2017 reduced to 11.0 mg (8%). March 1 2017 to 10.0 mg (9 %).  March 21 2017  to 9.5 mg (5%). April 1 2017  to 9.0 mg (5.3%). April 10 2017 to 8.5 mg (5.6%). April 22 2017  8.25 mg (2.9%). April 29 2017  8.0 (3.0%). May 6 2017  7.75 mg (3.1%).  May 14 2017  7.5 mg (3.2%). May 20 2017 to 7.25 mg (3.3%). May 27 2017 reduced to 7.0 mg (3.4%). June 10 2017  to 6.75 mg (3.6%). June 17 2017 to 6.5 mg (3.7%). June 24 2017 6.25 mg (3.8%). July 1 2017 reduced to 6.0 mg. July 8 2017 5.75 mg. July 15 2017 5.5 mg. July 22 2017 5.25 mg.  Aug 5 2017  5.0 mg.  Dec. 9, 2017  4.75 mg (5%).  Feb. 10, 2018 4.50 mg.   March 15, 2018 4.375 mg (2.8% decrease). April 3, 2018 4.25 mg (2.9%). May 14, 2018 4.125% (2.9%). June 16, 2018 4.0 mg (3.0%).  July 21, 2018 3.875mg. August 11, 2018 3.75mg (3.2%). Sept. 12, 2018 3.62mg (3.3%).  Oct. 13, 2018 3.5mg (3.4% decrease). Nov. 29, 2018 3.375mg (3.6% decrease). Jan. 20, 2019 3.25 mgFeb 16, 2019 3.125mg (3.8%). April 7, 2019 3.0mg (4.0%).  May 18, 2019 2.875mg (4.2%). June 22, 2019 2.75mg (4.3%)July 27, 2019 2.62mg (4.5%). August 18, 2019 2.5mg (4.8%). Sept. 14, 2019 2.375mg (5.0%) Oct.19, 2019 2.25mg.  Nov. 16, 2019 2.12mgDec. 7, 2019 2.00mg (5.9%). Jan. 4, 2020 1.875 mg (6.3%). Jan. 25, 2020 1.75 mgFeb. 29, 2020 1.625mg (7.10%).  Apr. 4, 2020 1.5 mg. May 9, 2020 1.375 mg. June 6, 2020 1.25 mg. (9.10%). July 4, 2020 1.125 mg. (10%).  August 15, 2020 1.0 mg.

OTHER MEDICATIONS: Gabapentin - 900 mg since July 2016, Prednisone  5mg.  QVAR Inhalant,  Supplements: Vitamin D, Probiotic, and Fish Oil.

 

 

 

 

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Hellbutrin
1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

Hellbutrin, you've asked some version of this question a million times. The answer is still the same. Please use search in Introductions.

 

 

I’m starting to feel unwelcome from posting questions.

 

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  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 

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Hellbutrin
1 hour ago, RachelSusan said:

I haven't gone through your thread, so I don't know if anyone has sent you this link.

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/forum/28-success-stories-recovery-from-withdrawal/

 

Rachel

Thanks RachelSusan,

 

Yes, I’ve read through many of the success stories. I just wanted to see if anyone could direct me to specific success stories from people who had been on dopaminergic drugs and recovered. 


  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 

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1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

you've asked some version of this question a million times.

 

36 minutes ago, Hellbutrin said:

I’m starting to feel unwelcome from posting questions.

 

Asking questions is okay.  It's when members keep asking the same question over and over again after the question has been answered that it becomes extremely frustrating.


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Altostrata

1) Wellbutrin is not a particularly dopaminergic drug; 2) We have a lot of people tapering Wellbutrin, why isn't that information convincing to you?

 

One thing about going off psychiatric drugs, if you want to believe you're forever damaged, thinking will make it so.

 

We would not be working so hard to get people off drugs if they never recovered, there would be no point to it.

 

What you want to know is what's in your future, and nobody can answer that in any way that's definite.

 

Have you reduced stimulation from light to reduce your light sensitivity? Small things like this can help your system settle down. Food sensitivities alone could be responsible for itching and other symptoms; you might go on a low-irritation diet. Pain in upper back and arms could be from too much computer use (physical therapy, exercise, acupuncture, chiropractic can help).

 

Have you looked carefully at the topics here Important topics about symptoms, including sleep problems to see which might apply to you?

 

PS This is a big win

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The only symptom that that seems to have improved is my sleep. I’m consistently getting around 5-6 hours per night, and have been for most nights the last 2 months.

 


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On 6/3/2018 at 7:31 PM, Altostrata said:

1) Wellbutrin is not a particularly dopaminergic drug; 2) We have a lot of people tapering Wellbutrin, why isn't that information convincing to you?

 

One thing about going off psychiatric drugs, if you want to believe you're forever damaged, thinking will make it so.

 

We would not be working so hard to get people off drugs if they never recovered, there would be no point to it.

 

What you want to know is what's in your future, and nobody can answer that in any way that's definite.

 

Have you reduced stimulation from light to reduce your light sensitivity? Small things like this can help your system settle down. Food sensitivities alone could be responsible for itching and other symptoms; you might go on a low-irritation diet. Pain in upper back and arms could be from too much computer use (physical therapy, exercise, acupuncture, chiropractic can help).

 

Have you looked carefully at the topics here Important topics about symptoms, including sleep problems to see which might apply to you?

 

PS This is a big win

 

1.) I think I'm slightly confused on the exact way that Wellbutrin reconfigures the brain if it doesn't directly impact dopamine. I thought that was the main mechanism for action for how it worked. 

2.) I know there are a lot people tapering Wellbutrin, but all of the one's that I've seen that have tapered Wellbutrin have also been working through tapers with additional drugs. So I can't understand how I am having such an extreme withdrawal. I know everyone must feel that way. 

 

I appreciate your patience, I assure you I'm not normally so testy. 


  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 

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Altostrata

You're situation is not unprecedented. You need to get serious about self-care. See links above.

 

Your assumptions about Wellbutrin's poorly understood multi-modal action are incorrect. Any way, how it works is irrelevant to you, it's in your past.

 

You do not have a dopamine problem. Read this again What is withdrawal syndrome?

 

Please review all the responses that have been given to your questions in this topic.


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Hellbutrin, I too am getting healthy after going off Welbutrin 300xl. I was on it for 8 years. I just hit the 1 year mark and I have made progress but it is VERY slow. My most severe symptoms are, constant dizziness, occasional vertigo and a brain that feels like all of the circuits are completely disconnected. 

 

What I have found that helps, is constant reminders to myself, that this too shall pass and that I have to take it one day at a time and, sometimes, I hour at a time. I tell myself that every hour could be different and my symptoms may get better, even if for a short time. I do walk my dogs every morning and I tell myself that one day I will take this walk and feel normal and healthy and I know that will be true. I do some form of exercise every day as well. Some days it isn't much but I make myself do something. 

 

I have had windows and waves but have never had a window that was symptom free. I do thank God for life and being able to get through each and every day. I have to stay positive. Don't get me wrong, I have had many days of boo hooing but then I have to kick myself and get back on track. 


Started Wellbutrin 300xl mid July, 2009. Stopped Wellbutrin 300xl cold turkey May 8, 2017

Started having symptoms started June 2, 2017. Started Wellbutrin 150xl July 7, 2017

Started Remeron 15mg August 15, 2017. Increased Remeron to 30mg October 4, 2017

Increased Wellbutrin to 300xl November 24, 2017. Lowered Wellbutrin 300xl back to 150xl January 8, 2018

Started weaning off of Remeron 30mg. Cut to 22.25mg January 11, 2018

Cut Remeron to 15mg January 18, 2018 Cut Remeron to 7.5mg January 25, 2018

Cut Remeron to 3.5mg January 30,2018. Stopped taking Remeron February 1, 2018

Currently taking: Fish Oil, Magnesium, Calcium, Vit D, Progesterone,

Hormone Replacement Pellets-Estrogen Testosterone 

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Hi . I just hit my 1 year mark free of the drugs. While I have made improvements, I still struggle every day and still have a lot of symptoms. That said, I do go through each day as I would have normally. I tell myself I will get better and one day this will all be behind me. 

 

You have to really focus on taking each day, one at a time. There are even days when I take it one hour at a time. Telling myself that the next hour will be better. 

 

Hope this helps. 


Started Wellbutrin 300xl mid July, 2009. Stopped Wellbutrin 300xl cold turkey May 8, 2017

Started having symptoms started June 2, 2017. Started Wellbutrin 150xl July 7, 2017

Started Remeron 15mg August 15, 2017. Increased Remeron to 30mg October 4, 2017

Increased Wellbutrin to 300xl November 24, 2017. Lowered Wellbutrin 300xl back to 150xl January 8, 2018

Started weaning off of Remeron 30mg. Cut to 22.25mg January 11, 2018

Cut Remeron to 15mg January 18, 2018 Cut Remeron to 7.5mg January 25, 2018

Cut Remeron to 3.5mg January 30,2018. Stopped taking Remeron February 1, 2018

Currently taking: Fish Oil, Magnesium, Calcium, Vit D, Progesterone,

Hormone Replacement Pellets-Estrogen Testosterone 

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Hi Hellbutrin, I've just moved one of your posts and reply from Mirage to your introduction topic from the head noise topic as they are about your particular situation.


2001–2002 paroxetine

2003  citalopram

2004-2008  paroxetine (various failed tapers) 
2008  paroxetine slow taper down to

2016  Aug off paroxetine
2016  citalopram May 20mg  Oct 15mg … slow taper down
2018  citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg  18 Nov 3.8mg
2019  15 Mar 3.6mg  21 May 3.4mg  26 Dec 3.2mg 

2020  19 Feb 3.0mg 19 July 2.9mg

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Hellbutrin

I know I'm not supposed to post negative posts, but this is my introduction topic. Today is one year since my C/T, and I wish I felt better. The anxiety has abated some, but I still have no ability to feel emotions other than terror, my memory is still significantly impaired to the point that I can't remember anything further back than yesterday, and I have constant dark depression. I hope this next year will end in me feeling at least a little better than this. I can't do this for another year. I've seen no progress this year except getting more used to feel horrible all the time. 


  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 

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2 hours ago, Hellbutrin said:

I've seen no progress this year except getting more used to feel horrible all the time. 

 

This is not true. You said the anxiety has abated.

 

As we have explained, emotional anesthesia is a common result of taking these drugs. When we say it very gradually goes away over a long time, we mean years, not weeks.

 

I am sorry your recovery is not progressing as fast as you like, but your exaggerating the negativity does not help it along. Please do not use the privilege of posting here to hurt yourself. Are you seeing a counselor face to face? You should address your tendency to extreme negativity with this person.

 

How much fish oil and magnesium are you taking, at what times of day and in what dosages? How is your sleep?

 

 


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19 hours ago, Altostrata said:

 

This is not true. You said the anxiety has abated.

 

As we have explained, emotional anesthesia is a common result of taking these drugs. When we say it very gradually goes away over a long time, we mean years, not weeks.

 

I am sorry your recovery is not progressing as fast as you like, but your exaggerating the negativity does not help it along. Please do not use the privilege of posting here to hurt yourself. Are you seeing a counselor face to face? You should address your tendency to extreme negativity with this person.

 

How much fish oil and magnesium are you taking, at what times of day and in what dosages? How is your sleep?

 

 

My sleep is around 5 hours per night give or take. I'm still taking fish oil everyday at 500 mg, but I'm not sure if it's helping. I haven't taken magnesium in a while because it was giving me pretty bad stomach aches


  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 

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How much magnesium were you taking at one time?


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13 hours ago, Altostrata said:

How much magnesium were you taking at one time?

I was taking 100 mg at night


  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 

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What kind of magnesium? Taking 50mg at a time might be more tolerable.

 

Magnesium glycinate is less likely to cause stomach upset.


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On 7/3/2018 at 12:26 PM, Altostrata said:

What kind of magnesium? Taking 50mg at a time might be more tolerable.

 

Magnesium glycinate is less likely to cause stomach upset.

I used the magnesium chelate. Sorry, I didn’t get a notification about this posting. 

 

Can I ask a general question about the depression that’s associated with withdrawal? 

 

This is is a symptom that I still struggle with that hasn’t changed. Does depression tend to stick around long term from a C/T? 


  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 

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Instead of asking this question I think it would be more helpful to learn and use non drug coping techniques to help you.

 

On 6/6/2018 at 11:39 AM, Altostrata said:

You need to get serious about self-care.

 

I've just googled survivingantidepressants.org depression and found this topic how-i-am-coping-with-depression

 


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

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Whatever habits of mind you had before taking psychiatric drugs may be there when you go off psychiatric drugs. Learning non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms is invaluable whether they're from withdrawal or pre-existing.


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23 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Whatever habits of mind you had before taking psychiatric drugs may be there when you go off psychiatric drugs. Learning non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms is invaluable whether they're from withdrawal or pre-existing.

My habits of mind didn't have much of an impact on my over all happiness prior to withdrawal. I was a little pessimistic by nature, but nothing compared to where my mind wanders now. I posted this on another part of the forum but I'd really appreciate your perspective on this. I'll paste my question below...

 

I got the Skyla birth control exactly three months before I started taking antidepressant medication. The extent of time that you are supposed to have Skyla IUD is three years, and three years is up for me this month. I'm terrified that if I go get it removed that the hormonal disruption will cause me to spiral back into suicidal depression like I did in November three months after my C/T. But I also wonder if the Skyla birth control could be a contributor to why my C/T is as bad as it is. Maybe my body is having a hard time leveling out because the Skyla synthetic hormonal birth control is "poisoning" me in a way. I got my hormones checked a few weeks back and everything came back looking okay. But I've always been VERY sensitive to anything that I put in my body, so I'm wondering if the synthetic version of the hormones that Skyla is releasing into my blood stream could be making me worse. But I also read that once you get the IUD removed your body can sometimes crash because it doesn't know how to produce it's own hormones anymore (Much like what happens in withdrawal). I'd love any first hand experience feedback with this issue, thanks! 


  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 

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Hellbutrin, you need some coaching to learn to manage your health anxiety. Cognitive behavior therapy can help with this.

 

Your IUD has been losing hormonal content over the years. It's at a very low level now.


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21 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Hellbutrin, you need some coaching to learn to manage your health anxiety. Cognitive behavior therapy can help with this.

 

Your IUD has been losing hormonal content over the years. It's at a very low level now.

So it likely wouldn’t do anything either way then. I’m going to have it taken out today 


  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 

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6 hours ago, Hellbutrin said:

So it likely wouldn’t do anything either way then. I’m going to have it taken out today 

I'm thinking that it might have something to do with why my periods have stopped completely over the last five months. I've been in withdrawal for a year, so I don't see why my periods would abruptly stop unless it were related to another factor like the IUD. 


  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 

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On 6/8/2018 at 6:19 PM, mirage said:

Hi . I just hit my 1 year mark free of the drugs. While I have made improvements, I still struggle every day and still have a lot of symptoms. That said, I do go through each day as I would have normally. I tell myself I will get better and one day this will all be behind me. 

 

You have to really focus on taking each day, one at a time. There are even days when I take it one hour at a time. Telling myself that the next hour will be better. 

 

Hope this helps. 

Hi Mirage,

 

I just noticed your post! I'm so sorry I didn't respond. Thanks for your encouragement. I'm so glad to see that you are feeling better one year after being med free! I hope that I can continue to heal and see improvements soon. 

 

I still struggle with my memory and brain fog. I haven't seen any fluctuation in my memory issues (I literally can't remember anything that I did before today) or depression so that's frustrating, but hopefully with more time I'll start to see improvements. Thanks again for the encouragement!


  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 

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