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Has anyone tried a Stellate Ganglion Block (i.e. needle in neck) to alleviate severe anxiety/panic in protracted WD?  I read a story on Beyond Meds that mentioned relief but for only 2 days, so it doesn’t sound like a viable option.  I know there has been limited success with soldiers experiencing PTSD.  Thoughts?     

 

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21 years of daily SSRI use in total...

Paxil                                                                                                                                                 1995-1998

Zoloft (50 mg)                                                                                                                                 1998-2002

Lexapro (10 mg)                                                                                                                              2002-2015    (**August 2015, Lexapro “stopped working" after near death of my 1.5 yr. old son**)

Lexapro (15/20 mg) - increasing dose only made SEs worse                                                     Nov 2015 - Mar 2016

Zoloft (25/50 mg) - made derealization worse                                                                            Mar 2016 - Jul 2016

Celexa (20 mg) - made symptoms worse                                                                                    Oct 2016 - Jan 2017

Remeron (7.5 mg) - helped me eat and sleep for 4 nights, then went bad                               Jan 2018 (stopped after 2 weeks)

Lamictal (5.0 mg) - horrific withdrawal                                                                                        Jan 2018 - Oct 2020

TODAY - 100% DRUG FREE 

(Trialed Prozac, Effexor, Wellbutrin, Cymbalta - severe reaction, couldn't tolerate longer than a few days)

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Good morning 🙂I Have been looking into this to see if it might help me . My worst issues are sleep hypervigilance,  racing heart at sleep onset, things like that. I've been dealing with this for many years . Did you ever look into it any further? 

Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%.

3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin.

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On 2/7/2019 at 10:47 AM, GiaK said:

of course she's wrong about some stuff. We all are. The clearer we get the more we don't attach to ideas ... we can still use them for utilitarian purposes....and learn and grow. I started practicing non-belief many years ago now. 

Hello Giak  🙂 I've been looking into the stellate ganglion block for hyperarousal and anxiety issues.  I've suffered for many years and thought this might be a help . Alto told me you had the procedure done at one point,  I didn't know if you would mind giving me your opinion on the matter?   Sorry this is off topic , but I wasn't sure how to contact you , I'm not very good with forum things lol. Thanks for your time . 

 

Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%.

3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin.

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It backfired like anything can when we're hypersensitive 

 

Stellate ganglion block https://beyondmeds.com/2012/02/09/2yranniversary/stellate-ganglion-block/ via @wordpressdotcom

 

 

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https://beyondmeds.com/

withdrawn from a cocktail of 6 psychiatric drugs that included every class of psych drug.
 

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9 hours ago, GiaK said:

It backfired like anything can when we're hypersensitive 

 

Stellate ganglion block https://beyondmeds.com/2012/02/09/2yranniversary/stellate-ganglion-block/ via @wordpressdotcom

 

 

Thank you Giak for your response.  It sounds like a gamble as to whether it would work or not. My issues are primarily hypervigilance, especially sleep related.  I'm sorry it didn't work for you , did you ever end up having a second injection? If not ,do you think it would have helped? It would be rough to have four days of diminished symptoms, only to have the relief snatched away . I'm not sure if I could handle the traveling,  if it were closer then I would be more inclined to try it . Thank you for your time 🙂

 

Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%.

3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin.

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The second injection made the rebound worse. The worst part was feeling so good and losing it it was truly like an Awakenings and it happened twice. The second injection was not an improvement on the whole entire phenomena. In a long-run I suppose I would say that in some sense having that time in my body feeling normal gave me something to intuitively shoot for. But in the short run of even several years it looked like a bad mistake

Everything Matters: Beyond Meds 

https://beyondmeds.com/

withdrawn from a cocktail of 6 psychiatric drugs that included every class of psych drug.
 

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5 hours ago, GiaK said:

The second injection made the rebound worse. The worst part was feeling so good and losing it it was truly like an Awakenings and it happened twice. The second injection was not an improvement on the whole entire phenomena. In a long-run I suppose I would say that in some sense having that time in my body feeling normal gave me something to intuitively shoot for. But in the short run of even several years it looked like a bad mistake

Thank you very much for your insight. 

Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%.

3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin.

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19 hours ago, lobster said:

Thank you very much for your insight. 

Giak , I know you said in retrospect you believe the block was a  bad idea . Was it only a bad idea because of the let down after a few days of having some normalcy? I am debating on it , I found out today at my health center they offer the gangleon block and would possibly be willing to try it for me, but I'm really on the fence.  I don't want to make my symptoms worse . On the other hand, I'd feel bad if I had a shot of making things better and didn't.  It's a hard decision.  I am really sorry it didn't work for you, I wish it had . Thanks for your help ,I really appreciate it  🙂

 

Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%.

3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin.

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Good luck with whatever you decide. I have learned one thing and that is we can only be the ones who know what is right for us and move forward with empowerment. If you enter this decision in a state of committing to learn something you will. That's all I do at this point -- learn by my choices. And at this point that involves an ongoing commitment to surrendering to the unknown.

Everything Matters: Beyond Meds 

https://beyondmeds.com/

withdrawn from a cocktail of 6 psychiatric drugs that included every class of psych drug.
 

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2 hours ago, GiaK said:

Good luck with whatever you decide. I have learned one thing and that is we can only be the ones who know what is right for us and move forward with empowerment. If you enter this decision in a state of committing to learn something you will. That's all I do at this point -- learn by my choices. And at this point that involves an ongoing commitment to surrendering to the unknown.

And at this point that involves an ongoing commitment to surrendering to the unknown.

 

I like this , you are so very right . That might be one reason I give myself more issues,  I have a very hard time just letting go and rolling with the flow . I to am learning that which won't bend ,will break , but it's hard . I don't have high expectations with the block , but I don't want to make my symptoms worse either. It's a hard call. Thank you  🙂

Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%.

3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin.

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On 2/11/2019 at 2:55 PM, lobster said:

And at this point that involves an ongoing commitment to surrendering to the unknown.

 

I like this , you are so very right . That might be one reason I give myself more issues,  I have a very hard time just letting go and rolling with the flow . I to am learning that which won't bend ,will break , but it's hard . I don't have high expectations with the block , but I don't want to make my symptoms worse either. It's a hard call. Thank you  🙂

Giak , I have a consultation March 9th . My local hospital  offers the gangleon block . I figure I'll see what they have to say . I'm very nervous about the whole thing ,so I might back out yet . I would love for it to work , but could handle it, if it didn't, but I don't know if I could handle getting worse from it . This is a very hard decision, one of these times I might make the right decision lol..

Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%.

3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin.

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I stumbled upon SGB the other day and found it fascinating. Since many of my AD WD symptoms are very similar to those of PTSD, I wonder if it would be a feasible treatment for those of us suffering really bad waves of AD WD. I'm copy/pasting a link to the 60 Minutes report on it. A Google search will bring up more info about it.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sgb-former-marine-dakota-meyer-tries-new-ptsd-treatment-60-minutes-2019-06-16/

 

Anybody know much about this and/or have any thoughts on it?

1999: Paxil ?? mgai (Paroxetine Hydrochloride) - stopped cold turkey
2001-03: Celexa ?? mgai (Citalopram Hydrobromide) - switched to Lexapro
2003-August 2015: Lexapro 20 mgai (Escitalopram Oxalate) - rapid 5 mgai increment taper down to 0 mgai
December 2015 - January 2016: Short hospital stay for unknown acute AD WD due to rapid taper
January 2016-February 21, 2016: Prozac ?? mgai (Fluoxetine Hcl) and Wellbutrin ?? mgai (Bupropion Hcl) - switched to Lexapro
February 21, 2016-July 22, 2018: Lexapro 10 mgai  - rapid 5 mgai increment taper down to 5 mgai
July 22, 2018-March 17, 2019: Lexapro 5 mgai - endured horrible waves due to rapid taper
March 17, 2019-April 7, 2019: Lexapro 3.226 mgai - endured horrible wave due to rapid taper
April 7, 2019-April 28, 2019: Lexapro 3.548 mgai - updosed to level out
April 28, 2019: Implemented Brass Monkey Slide taper method (2.5% weekly reduction) - IT’S WORKING!!!
September 2, 2020: Lexapro 0.000 mgai / 0 mgpw / 100% Taper COMPLETE!

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45 minutes ago, Iowan said:

I stumbled upon SGB the other day and found it fascinating. Since many of my AD WD symptoms are very similar to those of PTSD, I wonder if it would be a feasible treatment for those of us suffering really bad waves of AD WD. I'm copy/pasting a link to the 60 Minutes report on it. A Google search will bring up more info about it.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sgb-former-marine-dakota-meyer-tries-new-ptsd-treatment-60-minutes-2019-06-16/

 

Anybody know much about this and/or have any thoughts on it?

 

There are many existing topics on SA.  Before creating a new topic please do a site search or use google and add survivingantidepressants.org to the search term.

 

I've merged your new topic with an existing one.

 

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On 2/14/2019 at 11:24 AM, lobster said:

Giak , I have a consultation March 9th . My local hospital  offers the gangleon block . I figure I'll see what they have to say . I'm very nervous about the whole thing ,so I might back out yet . I would love for it to work , but could handle it, if it didn't, but I don't know if I could handle getting worse from it . This is a very hard decision, one of these times I might make the right decision lol..

Did you end up trying it?

med history: 17 years total

Concerta: 2 yrs - cold turkey, brought on first "depression" 

Short trials of Zoloft and Effexor: 1-3 years - multiple cold turkey's brought on OCD intrusive thoughts for the first time

Lexapro 15-20 mg (16 yrs)  - tried to quit once, cold turkey, worst WD ever, had to go on to 20mg to stop WD

Welbutrin 150mg (8-ish yrs) NO w/d symptoms from CT

Adderall 5-7.5mg (8-10-ish yrs) quit CT, brought on many WD symptoms, but manageable. 

 

Begin taper March 2018 Currently on 4.4 mg lexapro - down from 20mg

 

Symptoms depression, horrible intrusive thoughts and urges, new onset PMS/PMDD, constant extreme irritation and anger, visual hallucinations, irrational thinking patterns, panic, nausea, dizzy, intolerance to working out, chemical sensitivities, noise sensitivities, memory issues, heart palps, etc. 

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I went in for the consultation and they said they hadn't done it before for , anxiety,  Ptsd . Only pain management, so I couldn't get it. 

Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%.

3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin.

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Thanks for letting me know!

med history: 17 years total

Concerta: 2 yrs - cold turkey, brought on first "depression" 

Short trials of Zoloft and Effexor: 1-3 years - multiple cold turkey's brought on OCD intrusive thoughts for the first time

Lexapro 15-20 mg (16 yrs)  - tried to quit once, cold turkey, worst WD ever, had to go on to 20mg to stop WD

Welbutrin 150mg (8-ish yrs) NO w/d symptoms from CT

Adderall 5-7.5mg (8-10-ish yrs) quit CT, brought on many WD symptoms, but manageable. 

 

Begin taper March 2018 Currently on 4.4 mg lexapro - down from 20mg

 

Symptoms depression, horrible intrusive thoughts and urges, new onset PMS/PMDD, constant extreme irritation and anger, visual hallucinations, irrational thinking patterns, panic, nausea, dizzy, intolerance to working out, chemical sensitivities, noise sensitivities, memory issues, heart palps, etc. 

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My AD WD waves have greatly improved recently, I believe due to introducing a SLOW / SMALL weekly tapering method, but retrospectively thinking about my horrible waves, they are/were almost identical to extreme PTSD symptoms. From the little that I've consumed, pertaining to SGB, I would LOVE to see more research done on it for treating AD WD as well. It may not be a silver bullet and it may not work for everyone, but if it had similar results as it's showing within PTSD patients, I believe it would be well worth researching and implementing. With the severity of several waves I've endured, I'm only here today to wright this by the true grace of God. I would have totally tried SGB if it were available.

1999: Paxil ?? mgai (Paroxetine Hydrochloride) - stopped cold turkey
2001-03: Celexa ?? mgai (Citalopram Hydrobromide) - switched to Lexapro
2003-August 2015: Lexapro 20 mgai (Escitalopram Oxalate) - rapid 5 mgai increment taper down to 0 mgai
December 2015 - January 2016: Short hospital stay for unknown acute AD WD due to rapid taper
January 2016-February 21, 2016: Prozac ?? mgai (Fluoxetine Hcl) and Wellbutrin ?? mgai (Bupropion Hcl) - switched to Lexapro
February 21, 2016-July 22, 2018: Lexapro 10 mgai  - rapid 5 mgai increment taper down to 5 mgai
July 22, 2018-March 17, 2019: Lexapro 5 mgai - endured horrible waves due to rapid taper
March 17, 2019-April 7, 2019: Lexapro 3.226 mgai - endured horrible wave due to rapid taper
April 7, 2019-April 28, 2019: Lexapro 3.548 mgai - updosed to level out
April 28, 2019: Implemented Brass Monkey Slide taper method (2.5% weekly reduction) - IT’S WORKING!!!
September 2, 2020: Lexapro 0.000 mgai / 0 mgpw / 100% Taper COMPLETE!

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