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Feeling like *&^% right now, any feedback is appreciated! Thanks.

  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 
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Hi Hellbutrin,

What are cortisol spikes, and how do you know you are having them?  Is anything going on relationship-wise that might be affecting you?  What happened today?  Want to talk about anything?

I had been suffering from my symptoms so severely that I was desperate.  I got some good ideas on the site and was able to feel something like a window today.  I wish the same for you.  How wonderful that you were able to taper off your AD.  I am stabilizing on fluoxetine 10 mg., but I aspire to be free of AD like you some day.  Are you able to work?

Best to you.  Hang on.

 

 

Alcohol periodic excessive 1963-1976, Valium sporadic 1964-1973,  Imipramine off & on 1982-1985, Fluoxetine 10mg-80 mg. Oct., 1995-Jan., 2014; Cymbalta, other ADs 1/2014-3/2014; Abilify 5 mg. 3/2014 - 8/8/17; Trintellix 20 mg. 3/2014 - 9/2017; Propranolol 60-80 mg. sporadically Sept-Oct, 2017; Seroquel few days Sept 2017 (c/t); Wellbutrin 150 mg. Sept, 2017 updosed to 300 mg. few days till c/t Oct 8, 2017, fish oil, vitD, vitE Oct 16, 2017-pres. Lipoflavonoid 4/2017-pres.  Fluoxetine 10 mg. Sept-Oct 8, 2017, 20 mg. 10/9- 10/15; 10 mg. 10/16 - 12/29;  9 mg. 12/30 - 2/9; 2 mL liquid (8.1mg) 2/10 - 3/7; 1.8 mL (7.29 mg) 3/8 -3/20; 1.6 mL (6.561mg) 3/20-4/2; 1.4 mL (5.9 mg) 4/3-4/14; 1mL (4 mg.) 4/15-4/22; .9mL (3.6mg) 4/23-5/1; .81mL (3.24 mg) 5/2-5/24; .73mL (2.916mg.) 5/25-6/8; .65mL 6/9-6/23; .6mL 6/24-7/17; .58mL 7/18-7/28; .525mL 7/29-8/13; .5 mL 8/14-21; .45mL 8/22-31; .4mL 9/2-21; .35mL 9/22-10/4; .3mL 10/5-28; .25mL 10/28-11/10; .2mL 11/11-11/24; .18mL 11/25-12/3; .1mL 12/4-12/18. Zero-12/19/18-present.

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Thank you for your kind words. No, my relationship is one of the only things keeping me together. My symptoms have been terrible and I’m currently experiencing my third straight week in a wave. Don’t be sorry that you are still tapering, I wish I had found this site earlier and know to taper way slower than I did.  Cortisol spikes are periods of stress increase that heighten anxiety, typically in the morning after not sleeping well. I haven’t slept more then 3-4 hours per night in three weeks. At this point I’m scared that I’ve done permanent damage and that I won’t recover.

  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 
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I think the brain is a marvelous thing, and with the right care is capable of recovery.  Have you been consuming any caffeine?  Could that be keeping you awake?  Caffeine doesn't keep me from sleeping, but I wonder if it affects the quality of my sleep causing me to feel like I'm not rested.  I have cut down considerably since I came on this site, and I hope I can taper even more.  Thank you for explaining cortisol spikes to me.  I learn so much on this site.  I've been on so many medications (drugs) for so long, I too hope I can recover.  

Alcohol periodic excessive 1963-1976, Valium sporadic 1964-1973,  Imipramine off & on 1982-1985, Fluoxetine 10mg-80 mg. Oct., 1995-Jan., 2014; Cymbalta, other ADs 1/2014-3/2014; Abilify 5 mg. 3/2014 - 8/8/17; Trintellix 20 mg. 3/2014 - 9/2017; Propranolol 60-80 mg. sporadically Sept-Oct, 2017; Seroquel few days Sept 2017 (c/t); Wellbutrin 150 mg. Sept, 2017 updosed to 300 mg. few days till c/t Oct 8, 2017, fish oil, vitD, vitE Oct 16, 2017-pres. Lipoflavonoid 4/2017-pres.  Fluoxetine 10 mg. Sept-Oct 8, 2017, 20 mg. 10/9- 10/15; 10 mg. 10/16 - 12/29;  9 mg. 12/30 - 2/9; 2 mL liquid (8.1mg) 2/10 - 3/7; 1.8 mL (7.29 mg) 3/8 -3/20; 1.6 mL (6.561mg) 3/20-4/2; 1.4 mL (5.9 mg) 4/3-4/14; 1mL (4 mg.) 4/15-4/22; .9mL (3.6mg) 4/23-5/1; .81mL (3.24 mg) 5/2-5/24; .73mL (2.916mg.) 5/25-6/8; .65mL 6/9-6/23; .6mL 6/24-7/17; .58mL 7/18-7/28; .525mL 7/29-8/13; .5 mL 8/14-21; .45mL 8/22-31; .4mL 9/2-21; .35mL 9/22-10/4; .3mL 10/5-28; .25mL 10/28-11/10; .2mL 11/11-11/24; .18mL 11/25-12/3; .1mL 12/4-12/18. Zero-12/19/18-present.

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12 hours ago, RealMe said:

I think the brain is a marvelous thing, and with the right care is capable of recovery.  Have you been consuming any caffeine?  Could that be keeping you awake?  Caffeine doesn't keep me from sleeping, but I wonder if it affects the quality of my sleep causing me to feel like I'm not rested.  I have cut down considerably since I came on this site, and I hope I can taper even more.  Thank you for explaining cortisol spikes to me.  I learn so much on this site.  I've been on so many medications (drugs) for so long, I too hope I can recover.  

Of course, I think that this site is the one thing that is really helping me to get through this. Just try to be as cautious as you can be when tapering, I can definitely speak from experience when I say that it can make or break your recovery. I think that I have unnecessarily prolonged my recovery by at least a few months with how quickly I "tapered". I haven't consumed any caffeine since starting this bad wave that I'm currently in since the end of October. I find that my bad waves usually coincide with how well I sleep. My main concern is that I threw my autonomic regulation off too much with how quickly I tapered, and it's been so long since I've taken any of the medication that I don't think that a reinstatement is even an option for me now.  

  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 
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I was on Paroxetine for sixteen years, I believe, when I quit. That's a long time. The dosage was rather low, which was likely a plus. I tapered down to 5mg before quitting.

 

The big side-effect was high anxiety, which can proceed any number of other nasty symptoms. When I read mention of permanent brain damage, it was while in the depths of withdrawal and while plagued with myriad problems, some which even seemed to indicate some sort of brain damage.

 

I suffered a solid two years of withdrawal from Paroxetine, effects compounded by my age, life style, and diet. That was a solid two years of suspecting I had brain damage.

 

Now I realize any "brain damage" I suffered is cured by a good night's sleep or a cup of coffee.

 

Bear in mind that withdrawal can be a lengthy processes, during which time you will not feel right and desperate to get back to feeling right. Sleeplessness is common for everyone here, I imagine. I thought it was going to kill me that first year. You can push through it, or go back to the drugs—and that's all the choice you get. Counseling helps with the fight.

 

Be very careful should you choose supplements to help you along, and pay attention to how your body reacts to everything you do, everything you ingest.

Began in 1998 at 20mg/day. Dropped from 20 to 10mg/day around 2006. Dropped from 10 to 5mg/day in June of 2014. Dropped from 5 to 0mg/day in June of 2015. Rough times, indeed.

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27 minutes ago, Trichotomous said:

I was on Paroxetine for sixteen years, I believe, when I quit. That's a long time. The dosage was rather low, which was likely a plus. I tapered down to 5mg before quitting.

 

The big side-effect was high anxiety, which can proceed any number of other nasty symptoms. When I read mention of permanent brain damage, it was while in the depths of withdrawal and while plagued with myriad problems, some which even seemed to indicate some sort of brain damage.

 

I suffered a solid two years of withdrawal from Paroxetine, effects compounded by my age, life style, and diet. That was a solid two years of suspecting I had brain damage.

 

Now I realize any "brain damage" I suffered is cured by a good night's sleep or a cup of coffee.

 

Bear in mind that withdrawal can be a lengthy processes, during which time you will not feel right and desperate to get back to feeling right. Sleeplessness is common for everyone here, I imagine. I thought it was going to kill me that first year. You can push through it, or go back to the drugs—and that's all the choice you get. Counseling helps with the fight.

 

Be very careful should you choose supplements to help you along, and pay attention to how your body reacts to everything you do, everything you ingest.

Hi Trichotomous,

 

Thanks for for your feedback! It helps hearing from people that are through the worst of their withdrawal. How long into your withdrawal did it take for you to see an improvement in cognition/memory? I’m still in the beginning stages of withdrawal, but I used the drug for less than two years, so I’m desperately hoping that my withdrawals will improve in months instead of years. My depressive waves are severe, and definitely the symptom that rattles me the most. But I also haven’t had any windows where I feel like myself in the three and a half months since I’ve been off of Wellbutrin completely. I can’t feel happiness or get excited about anything, and the mornings are the absolute WORST. Have you had improvements with anhedonia and memory/concentration? 

  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 
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21 minutes ago, Hellbutrin said:

Hi Trichotomous,

 

Thanks for for your feedback! It helps hearing from people that are through the worst of their withdrawal. How long into your withdrawal did it take for you to see an improvement in cognition/memory? I’m still in the beginning stages of withdrawal, but I used the drug for less than two years, so I’m desperately hoping that my withdrawals will improve in months instead of years. My depressive waves are severe, and definitely the symptom that rattles me the most. But I also haven’t had any windows where I feel like myself in the three and a half months since I’ve been off of Wellbutrin completely. I can’t feel happiness or get excited about anything, and the mornings are the absolute WORST. Have you had improvements with anhedonia and memory/concentration? 

 

I saw changes in cognition within days of stopping Paroxetine. That crap was an anchor around my brain. Some cognitive improvements were symptomatic of mania, which is part of withdrawal. However, overall, cognition returned quickly, while improvements in mood and stability dragged slowly along for two years.

 

I did not feel right for two years after Paroxetine. Anxiety was the worst of my symptoms, and it cascaded into others, such as sleeplessness, despair, and depression. Counseling was a big help during this time. For me, anxiety was worse than depression. It's possible I never actually suffered from depression at all, but from generalized anxiety disorder or PTSD, instead. I remember being afraid to be happy or excited, convinced as I was that something terrible would result from having any sort of hope or aspiration.

 

My memory went to **** during those two years. This may be attributed to insomnia. There were times when I could not remember anything I was just told. Seriously. My family was scared. But memory has gotten better as my sleep has improved.

 

For me, DHEA has been great in balancing cortisol, which seems out of whack in me for some reason. Counseling helped a lot, especially when I was really on edge. Of course, everyone is different, and we each have to find what works best for our own situation.

 

Hey, fish oil may cause insomnia for some people. It does to me. I can't take it. Just something to think about.

Began in 1998 at 20mg/day. Dropped from 20 to 10mg/day around 2006. Dropped from 10 to 5mg/day in June of 2014. Dropped from 5 to 0mg/day in June of 2015. Rough times, indeed.

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20 minutes ago, Trichotomous said:

 

I saw changes in cognition within days of stopping Paroxetine. That crap was an anchor around my brain. Some cognitive improvements were symptomatic of mania, which is part of withdrawal. However, overall, cognition returned quickly, while improvements in mood and stability dragged slowly along for two years.

 

I did not feel right for two years after Paroxetine. Anxiety was the worst of my symptoms, and it cascaded into others, such as sleeplessness, despair, and depression. Counseling was a big help during this time. For me, anxiety was worse than depression. It's possible I never actually suffered from depression at all, but from generalized anxiety disorder or PTSD, instead. I remember being afraid to be happy or excited, convinced as I was that something terrible would result from having any sort of hope or aspiration.

 

My memory went to **** during those two years. This may be attributed to insomnia. There were times when I could not remember anything I was just told. Seriously. My family was scared. But memory has gotten better as my sleep has improved.

 

For me, DHEA has been great in balancing cortisol, which seems out of whack in me for some reason. Counseling helped a lot, especially when I was really on edge. Of course, everyone is different, and we each have to find what works best for our own situation.

 

Hey, fish oil may cause insomnia for some people. It does to me. I can't take it. Just something to think about.

That's a little concerning. My memory and concentration have gotten progressively worse since I quit taking Wellbutrin. I feel that it is solely the withdrawal that has caused this since being on Wellbutrin actually caused me to be hyper focused. I don't have the ability to be really happy, and haven't since I started taking this drug. I'm just a little worried that the "happy feelings" aren't starting to return now that I'm totally off of the medications. 

  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 
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4 hours ago, Hellbutrin said:

That's a little concerning. My memory and concentration have gotten progressively worse since I quit taking Wellbutrin. I feel that it is solely the withdrawal that has caused this since being on Wellbutrin actually caused me to be hyper focused. I don't have the ability to be really happy, and haven't since I started taking this drug. I'm just a little worried that the "happy feelings" aren't starting to return now that I'm totally off of the medications. 

 

How long have you been off this stuff?

 

How are you sleeping?

 

If you aren't sleeping well, that is the most important thing to address, as it is going to make recovery very difficult. If you are not sleeping right, take a hard look at everything you are ingesting.

Began in 1998 at 20mg/day. Dropped from 20 to 10mg/day around 2006. Dropped from 10 to 5mg/day in June of 2014. Dropped from 5 to 0mg/day in June of 2015. Rough times, indeed.

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1 hour ago, Trichotomous said:

 

How long have you been off this stuff?

 

How are you sleeping?

 

If you aren't sleeping well, that is the most important thing to address, as it is going to make recovery very difficult. If you are not sleeping right, take a hard look at everything you are ingesting.

I finished my short 4 week taper on August 11th, so I've been totally off for 3 and a half months. I have been having terrible issues with insomnia since I started my taper, but it seems to come and go in a windows and waves pattern. I just haven't had any instances so far where I have felt like I'm starting to get back to my old self. I know that the drugs have probably permanently altered me in some ways, but lately I feel like I'm not really able to feel joy or happiness at all, and I'm terrified that my brain is stuck in this pattern. I'm also struggling severely with depression, which I never had prior to withdrawal, and I haven't seen any improvement in that either. I took the drugs in the first place in order to address some anxiety issues that I was having related to starting graduate school. I took the medication all through grad school, and now when I look back I can hardly remember the experience, my working memory is totally shot. I don't see a lot of experiences similar to mine related to the medication that I was taking, so I'm concerned that I was too sensitive to have been taking this medication in the first place, and that it might have done some permanent damage. I just want to see some first hand experiences to encourage me that it will get better. 

  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 
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21 hours ago, Hellbutrin said:

I finished my short 4 week taper on August 11th, so I've been totally off for 3 and a half months. I have been having terrible issues with insomnia since I started my taper, but it seems to come and go in a windows and waves pattern. I just haven't had any instances so far where I have felt like I'm starting to get back to my old self. I know that the drugs have probably permanently altered me in some ways, but lately I feel like I'm not really able to feel joy or happiness at all, and I'm terrified that my brain is stuck in this pattern. I'm also struggling severely with depression, which I never had prior to withdrawal, and I haven't seen any improvement in that either. I took the drugs in the first place in order to address some anxiety issues that I was having related to starting graduate school. I took the medication all through grad school, and now when I look back I can hardly remember the experience, my working memory is totally shot. I don't see a lot of experiences similar to mine related to the medication that I was taking, so I'm concerned that I was too sensitive to have been taking this medication in the first place, and that it might have done some permanent damage. I just want to see some first hand experiences to encourage me that it will get better. 

 

It gets better, but not so much after just a couple months. It takes more time than that, unfortunately.

 

Have you had your cortisol levels checked?

Began in 1998 at 20mg/day. Dropped from 20 to 10mg/day around 2006. Dropped from 10 to 5mg/day in June of 2014. Dropped from 5 to 0mg/day in June of 2015. Rough times, indeed.

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17 minutes ago, Trichotomous said:

 

It gets better, but not so much after just a couple months. It takes more time than that, unfortunately.

 

Have you had your cortisol levels checked?

No, but I know that a lot of issues with memory and depersonalization/derealization have to do with damage to the brain's frontal lobe, and that is the area that Wellbutrin stimulates the most as it's acting mechanism. So I'm wondering if that is contributing to the severity of my DP/DR and my depression.

  1. Started Wellbutrin 75 mg IR the end of 2015.
  2. Tried quitting cold turkey in June 30th- July 3rd 2017.
  3. Had severe withdrawals.
  4. Was placed on Wellbutrin 100mg SR so I could taper without withdrawal.
  5. Stabilized on 100mg SR for most of the month of July.
  6. Started tapering on July 17th,  2017.
  7. Completed taper on August 8th, 2017.
  8. Currently experiencing severe withdrawal.
  • Symptoms- Currently experiencing anhedonia, depersonalization/derealization, concentration/memory issues, chronic congestion, chronic dry eyes, dry skin, dislocated TMJ joint from teeth grinding during C/T withdrawal, waves of depression, anxiety, nausea, morning cortisol spikes, insomnia, agitation, food sensitivities, no tolerance for caffeine and chronic fatigue, burning muscle pain in upper and lower back and occasional tinninitus.
  • Supplements- Omega-3 fish oil supplement twice daily, 100 mg of magnesium once daily. 
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On 11/19/2017 at 11:53 AM, Trichotomous said:

 

I saw changes in cognition within days of stopping Paroxetine. That crap was an anchor around my brain. Some cognitive improvements were symptomatic of mania, which is part of withdrawal. However, overall, cognition returned quickly, while improvements in mood and stability dragged slowly along for two years.

 

I did not feel right for two years after Paroxetine. Anxiety was the worst of my symptoms, and it cascaded into others, such as sleeplessness, despair, and depression. Counseling was a big help during this time. For me, anxiety was worse than depression. It's possible I never actually suffered from depression at all, but from generalized anxiety disorder or PTSD, instead. I remember being afraid to be happy or excited, convinced as I was that something terrible would result from having any sort of hope or aspiration.

 

My memory went to **** during those two years. This may be attributed to insomnia. There were times when I could not remember anything I was just told. Seriously. My family was scared. But memory has gotten better as my sleep has improved.

 

For me, DHEA has been great in balancing cortisol, which seems out of whack in me for some reason. Counseling helped a lot, especially when I was really on edge. Of course, everyone is different, and we each have to find what works best for our own situation.

 

Hey, fish oil may cause insomnia for some people. It does to me. I can't take it. Just something to think about.

 

Alcohol periodic excessive 1963-1976, Valium sporadic 1964-1973,  Imipramine off & on 1982-1985, Fluoxetine 10mg-80 mg. Oct., 1995-Jan., 2014; Cymbalta, other ADs 1/2014-3/2014; Abilify 5 mg. 3/2014 - 8/8/17; Trintellix 20 mg. 3/2014 - 9/2017; Propranolol 60-80 mg. sporadically Sept-Oct, 2017; Seroquel few days Sept 2017 (c/t); Wellbutrin 150 mg. Sept, 2017 updosed to 300 mg. few days till c/t Oct 8, 2017, fish oil, vitD, vitE Oct 16, 2017-pres. Lipoflavonoid 4/2017-pres.  Fluoxetine 10 mg. Sept-Oct 8, 2017, 20 mg. 10/9- 10/15; 10 mg. 10/16 - 12/29;  9 mg. 12/30 - 2/9; 2 mL liquid (8.1mg) 2/10 - 3/7; 1.8 mL (7.29 mg) 3/8 -3/20; 1.6 mL (6.561mg) 3/20-4/2; 1.4 mL (5.9 mg) 4/3-4/14; 1mL (4 mg.) 4/15-4/22; .9mL (3.6mg) 4/23-5/1; .81mL (3.24 mg) 5/2-5/24; .73mL (2.916mg.) 5/25-6/8; .65mL 6/9-6/23; .6mL 6/24-7/17; .58mL 7/18-7/28; .525mL 7/29-8/13; .5 mL 8/14-21; .45mL 8/22-31; .4mL 9/2-21; .35mL 9/22-10/4; .3mL 10/5-28; .25mL 10/28-11/10; .2mL 11/11-11/24; .18mL 11/25-12/3; .1mL 12/4-12/18. Zero-12/19/18-present.

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What's DHEA?

 

Alcohol periodic excessive 1963-1976, Valium sporadic 1964-1973,  Imipramine off & on 1982-1985, Fluoxetine 10mg-80 mg. Oct., 1995-Jan., 2014; Cymbalta, other ADs 1/2014-3/2014; Abilify 5 mg. 3/2014 - 8/8/17; Trintellix 20 mg. 3/2014 - 9/2017; Propranolol 60-80 mg. sporadically Sept-Oct, 2017; Seroquel few days Sept 2017 (c/t); Wellbutrin 150 mg. Sept, 2017 updosed to 300 mg. few days till c/t Oct 8, 2017, fish oil, vitD, vitE Oct 16, 2017-pres. Lipoflavonoid 4/2017-pres.  Fluoxetine 10 mg. Sept-Oct 8, 2017, 20 mg. 10/9- 10/15; 10 mg. 10/16 - 12/29;  9 mg. 12/30 - 2/9; 2 mL liquid (8.1mg) 2/10 - 3/7; 1.8 mL (7.29 mg) 3/8 -3/20; 1.6 mL (6.561mg) 3/20-4/2; 1.4 mL (5.9 mg) 4/3-4/14; 1mL (4 mg.) 4/15-4/22; .9mL (3.6mg) 4/23-5/1; .81mL (3.24 mg) 5/2-5/24; .73mL (2.916mg.) 5/25-6/8; .65mL 6/9-6/23; .6mL 6/24-7/17; .58mL 7/18-7/28; .525mL 7/29-8/13; .5 mL 8/14-21; .45mL 8/22-31; .4mL 9/2-21; .35mL 9/22-10/4; .3mL 10/5-28; .25mL 10/28-11/10; .2mL 11/11-11/24; .18mL 11/25-12/3; .1mL 12/4-12/18. Zero-12/19/18-present.

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DHEA is a hormone already in your system providing a balance to cortisol. When either hormone is lacking, we are a hot mess.

 

You can get it over the counter and it is fairly inexpensive.

Began in 1998 at 20mg/day. Dropped from 20 to 10mg/day around 2006. Dropped from 10 to 5mg/day in June of 2014. Dropped from 5 to 0mg/day in June of 2015. Rough times, indeed.

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13 hours ago, Hellbutrin said:

No, but I know that a lot of issues with memory and depersonalization/derealization have to do with damage to the brain's frontal lobe, and that is the area that Wellbutrin stimulates the most as it's acting mechanism. So I'm wondering if that is contributing to the severity of my DP/DR and my depression.

 

I don't believe you can identify "brain damage" this early into your withdrawal. What you are experiencing is more likely symptomatic of withdrawal, and not indicative of "brain damage." Telling yourself that you have "brain damage" puts more stress on your already full plate that you should not have to deal with at this point. Give yourself much more time before concluding your brain has been permanently altered in any particular fashion.

Began in 1998 at 20mg/day. Dropped from 20 to 10mg/day around 2006. Dropped from 10 to 5mg/day in June of 2014. Dropped from 5 to 0mg/day in June of 2015. Rough times, indeed.

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The body can always heal. A tool that will give you hope if you watch it are the videos in this link: https://beyondmeds.com/2019/01/31/heal-brain-injury/

in which a neuroscientist says by evidence, a case of a person that had a physical severe injury in her brain/brain damage and it healed and she also says that people that got their nervous systems severely injured by adverse effects of psychiatric drugs taken for a very long time, that they also recover, that the brain also heals in this case.  Also the author of beyondmeds.com knows a lot of people that had severe adverse effects from psychiatric drugs, went through the worst withdrawal, and they recovered, they healed. Another great thing that will give you hope to know that your body will heal, is the documentary HEAL which you can watch on netflix, which says that under the right conditions, all organs and tissues, all the parts of the body, heal, no matter how long you had the illness/symptoms, even if you had them for a lot of years. That has been scientifically proven. Ignore the christian/religious things she says and focus on the scientific things she mention.

In 2008 I was 16 years old. 2008 - 2010 paxil, clonazepam & semisodium valproate. 2013 - 2017 many psych meds with cold switches and CT's prescribed by psychiatrists.

Nov/30/17 started quetiapine IR tablets 100mg 0-0-1. Dec/1/17 started pristiq 50mg tablets 1-0-0. Jan/14/18 started 1.5mg melatonin 0-0-1

Tramadol: 2 year well done (slow and gradual) taper: from Mar/12/18 to Feb/11/20 

Pristiq taper: Jun/15/20 Converted from pristiq 50mg to efexor xr 75mg for 57 days (felt good).  Aug/11/20 weaned to efexor 37.5mg and stayed there for 2 months with 26 days (felt good). Nov/6/20  CT 0mg of efexor xr (felt good). Total time in tapering pristiq 50mg by converting to efexor xr 75mg: 4 months with 22 days: Jun/15/20 to Nov/6/20. (felt good)

Efexor 0mg and quetiapine 100mg (Nov/6/20 to Dic/11/20) (felt good being without effexor and taking 100mg quetiapine)

Dic/11/20 quetiapine 75mg, so 75mg from Dic/11/20 to Jan/4/21  25 days. Jan/5/21 quetiapine 50mg (1 day in 50mg).

Jan/6/21 1st CT of quetiapine. Mar/1/21 CT melatonin. Felt terrible so Mar/25/21 reinstated 100mg quetiapine. 

100mg quetiapine 19 days (Mar/25/21 - Apr/13/21) Felt good while in quetiapine 100mg. 75mg quetiapine 55 days (Apr/14/21 - Jun/8/21) the 55th day (Jun/8/21)  felt hellish so CT'd quetiapine for a 2nd time on Jun/9/21. 

Jun/9/21 - Nov/16/21 1st days insomnia, anxiety, took cbd and felt very good many days (healed insomnia & anxiety), CT'd ginkgo which made me felt terrible so reinstated ginkgo. Started intolerable back pain (spasm) so tried other herbs along with cbd, then started derealization, panic, indecisiveness, nostalgia & others. Stopped taking cbd & herbs, reinstated quetiapine 75mg Nov/17/21, immediately after taking it, had severe heart palpitations, so Nov/18/21 back to cbd (no quetiapine). Nov/20/21 reinstated 75mg quetiapine (stopped cbd & herbs), severely couldn't breathe for 5 seconds after taking quetiapine 75mg so reduced to 50 mg on Nov/28/21. The 32nd day of quetiapine 50mg (Dec/30/21) started having consistent improvements (almost no DR, no panic and no anxiety & feeling more stable but still having some days severe adverse effects). Jan/20/22 @10pm took cbd instead of quetiapine, felt very bad so reinstated quetiapine 50mg @1am. The 30th day (feb/20/22) started having consistent improvements but some days I had severe adverse effects like involuntary movement of legs caused by severe anxiety and impatience so feb/26/22 did my last try of CT of quetiapine (and of ginkgo), felt awful so reinstated quetiapine 50mg @3am of feb/27/22.  (also reinstated ginkgo 40mg, I know I have to slow taper it too).  I CT'd many times quetiapine because I had developed new severe symptoms/adverse effects and others that I have had for a long time, now became much more extreme and worse so I don't know if I need to stop taking it, I need someone knowledgeable in WD to tell me what to do because I'm not an expert and doctors in my country don't know how to treat WD, I'm willing to pay for a personalized guidance from a moderator of SA or a doctor/health practitioner that has all the knowledge of SA, please help. I don't want to make my own decisions anymore regarding to tapering,

Currently taking:  At 11:30am omega 3 fish oil supplement.

At 9:30pm omega 3 fish oil supplement and magnesium supplement

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