fj929 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Thanks but I will never try anything again. I am still violently ill. The Cerebrolysin has changed me. I was hoping this was just a wave but I don't think it is. I have taken a huge step backwards. You forgot just how sick you can get. Even though I was still very sick I was much better than I used to be. Now I can no longer function and am in constant agony. I get a few breaks for hours sometimes but even then I am nowhere near where I used to be. Please stay way from this drug. I am paying a terrible price for my decision. Paxil 10mg 2004-2011 7.5mg 4months 5mg. 4months 2.5mg.8 months no wd issues Dropped pax 4-10-12 5-9-12 started prozac to alleviate symptoms (no relief) 5-22-12 reinstated paxil 2.5mg 5-28-12 5mg pax (couldn't tolerate sides) 6-22-12 Pax 2.5 6-30-12 Pax O Cerebrolysin to help with wd at 29 months. Horrible decision much worse. Still suffering sever Brain fog, Confusion, slow thinking,And just feeling sick and weird (hard to explain),facial twitching, weakness, shaking and jerking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I am so SORRY! We do try to get our lives back ...I know it is so hard to stay stuck. I have paid for just trying vitamins or suppelements this is so horrid... I hope you can get back to where you were at least soon. How long has it been since you tried it? I had supplement reactions that lasted 6 wks about that long and a reaction to lidocaine that took 3 months to wear off.. Solida is having at last count 5 month reaction to an antibiotic ... I am not sure what is up with me if it is a reaction to a drug or what.. had a few bad reactions this year... and a lot of antibiotics... I just can't tell. I think it makes good sense to try and figure out how long reactions to drug supplements last so we can at least give a hopeful window to other people.. if possible. Could we have an update please? I wish you peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fj929 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I had put up a post on this before but wanted to post an update. I tried Cerebrolysin back at the end of November and although it felt as though it cleared my head initially the end result has not been a good one. I feel much more foggy, sick, weak and now very depressed. I am much sicker today than 4 months ago and it was the Cerebrolysin that triggered. I have not been right since. Just a warning as I have seen some folks discuss the drug. Now I am very sensitive to many things so that may have contributed to the reason why it made me so ill. For those of you that don't know Cerebrolysin is a Peptide drug that has been shown to enhance neurogenesis and repair brain damage. I took the risk and wish I hadn't as it has left me much worse off than I was before. Paxil 10mg 2004-2011 7.5mg 4months 5mg. 4months 2.5mg.8 months no wd issues Dropped pax 4-10-12 5-9-12 started prozac to alleviate symptoms (no relief) 5-22-12 reinstated paxil 2.5mg 5-28-12 5mg pax (couldn't tolerate sides) 6-22-12 Pax 2.5 6-30-12 Pax O Cerebrolysin to help with wd at 29 months. Horrible decision much worse. Still suffering sever Brain fog, Confusion, slow thinking,And just feeling sick and weird (hard to explain),facial twitching, weakness, shaking and jerking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted February 16, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 16, 2015 I have merged your new post with your original topic. Thank you for the update, I'm sorry that it didn't work for you and hope that you start to recover very soon. It has set you back but I am sure that you will heal and get better. Take care of yourself and take one day at a time, one of those days will be the one when you feel improvement. **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fj929 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 BTDT Thank you for posting an update to the reactions you had to substances that really helps. I took it back at the end of November. The worst part is it has intensified greatly since then and I am at my sickest point now. Is that how your reactions went as well? Did it get worse with time before finally healing? Paxil 10mg 2004-2011 7.5mg 4months 5mg. 4months 2.5mg.8 months no wd issues Dropped pax 4-10-12 5-9-12 started prozac to alleviate symptoms (no relief) 5-22-12 reinstated paxil 2.5mg 5-28-12 5mg pax (couldn't tolerate sides) 6-22-12 Pax 2.5 6-30-12 Pax O Cerebrolysin to help with wd at 29 months. Horrible decision much worse. Still suffering sever Brain fog, Confusion, slow thinking,And just feeling sick and weird (hard to explain),facial twitching, weakness, shaking and jerking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbowsmilingrock Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I am wondering if nootropics have helped anyone during their taper and withdrawal.. My Medication History: May 2014 - October 2014: On Cipralex, up to the maximum dose, developed severe apathy and suicidal ideation. Cold turkey in October 2014. Nov 2014-Feb 2015: Severe withdrawal. GI symptoms leading to ER trips, ultrasounds, blood work, etc. Feb 2015-June 2015: Long term side effects from the withdrawal include social phobia, anehedonia, insomnia, brain fog. June 2015 - October 2015: Back on Cipralex in the hopes that it would remove the lingering side effects. Developed the same troubling side effects as the first time, went cold turkey in October 2015 due to severe suicidal ideation. October 2015 - February 2016: Took a variety of supplements hoping to combat the withdrawal, developed severe brain fog and depersonalization. Feb 2016: Stopping ALL supplements for the time being, and making a commitment to stay med free for the next five years to allow my brain to heal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus Petunia Posted September 2, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) ... A nootropic may conflict with other drugs or supplements you are taking. When you have withdrawal syndrome, your nervous system is in a very vulnerable state. Experiment with nootropics at your own risk. To limit possible adverse reactions, try a very small amount to begin with. See topics in the Symptoms forum about specific supplements. Here are some relevant topics Supplements - what helps, what doesn't? - Symptoms and ... Vinpocetine - The Working Remedy - Symptoms and self ... * merged with this topic cerebrolysin to repair SSRI induced brain damage ... Edited September 8, 2015 by Petunia added note I'm not a doctor. My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one. My Introduction Thread Full Drug and Withdrawal History Brief Summary Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects 2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010 Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal) May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins. Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens. Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days. April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close. VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from? VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made? VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes? VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects? VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 BTDT Thank you for posting an update to the reactions you had to substances that really helps. I took it back at the end of November. The worst part is it has intensified greatly since then and I am at my sickest point now. Is that how your reactions went as well? Did it get worse with time before finally healing? I am sorry for not answering you sooner I just noticed this now ... for a time I had no computer and never got caught up maybe a decent excuse... and now I can't remember sorry but I wanted to let you know why I did not answer... wishing you peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus JanCarol Posted September 19, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 19, 2016 FDA issues warning: vinpocetine should not be sold in supplements. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA or we) is requesting comments related to the regulatory status of vinpocetine. Specifically, we request comments on our tentative conclusion that vinpocetine is not a dietary ingredient and is excluded from the definition of dietary supplement in the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act). This action is being taken as part of an administrative proceeding to determine the regulatory status of vinpocetine. Vinpocetine is not an herb or other botanical, nor is it a constituent of any botanical. Rather, vinpocetine is a synthetic compound, derived from vincamine, an alkaloid found in the Vinca minor plant, or tabersonine, an alkaloid found in Voacanga seeds (Ref. 5). and Vinpocetine is not a dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake. Extensive database and literature searches did not identify any food use of vinpocetine. Thus, vinpocetine does not appear to qualify as a dietary ingredient under section 201(ff)(1)(E) of the FD&C Act. Finally, vinpocetine is not a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of any ingredient described in section 201(ff)(1)(A), (, ©, (D), or (E) of the FD&C Act. We are not aware of any factual basis to conclude that vinpocetine is a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of a vitamin, mineral, amino acid, or dietary substance. As described earlier, vinpocetine is not found in V. minor, Voacanga, or any other botanical, but rather is a synthetic derivative of vincamine or tabersonine. Therefore, vinpocetine cannot be a concentrate, constituent, or extract of a botanical. Conclusion: We therefore tentatively conclude that vinpocetine is not a dietary ingredient under section 201(ff)(1) of the FD&C Act because it does not fit any of the dietary ingredient categories. From: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/09/07/2016-21350/request-for-comment-on-the-status-of-vinpocetine Now vinca - or periwinkle, is used in traditional herbal medicine, as an astringent, tonic, to allay menorrhagia and hemorrage, also as a laxative and a gargle. As an ointment, it is used for piles and inflammation of the skin. Its old English common name was "Joy of the Ground," or "Ground Ivy." It was a favourite folk remedy for charms and love-philtres. It was believed to have the power to exorcise evil spirits, and was used in the case of "devil possessions," and to allay envy or terror. With the right rituals, it was used as a protection against poisons. It was customary to put this flower on the graves of children. Culpepper called Periwinkle "The Great Binder," and it was commended against "fluxes," and a good remedy for cramp. Modern medicine crushed the leaves, made into a poultice for skin inflammation. Nothing in there about "mental benefits," but then - vinpocetine is not vinca, merely a chemical derived from it. Herbal folklore from "A Modern Herbal," by Mrs. M. Grieve in Two Volumes. My point being that nootropics are akin to designer drugs, where they alter a molecule for a specific effect - and have not been adequately tested in humans. "Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again. My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices. A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia. CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013. Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine). Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 - Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years on Lithium). Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made. The tedious thread (my intro): JanCarol ☼ Reboxetine first, then Lithium The happy thread (my success story): JanCarol - Undiagnosed Off all bipolar drugs My own blog: https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/ I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheri755 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 On 9/19/2016 at 8:44 AM, JanCarol said: FDA issues warning: vinpocetine should not be sold in supplements. and Conclusion: From: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/09/07/2016-21350/request-for-comment-on-the-status-of-vinpocetine Now vinca - or periwinkle, is used in traditional herbal medicine, as an astringent, tonic, to allay menorrhagia and hemorrage, also as a laxative and a gargle. As an ointment, it is used for piles and inflammation of the skin. Its old English common name was "Joy of the Ground," or "Ground Ivy." It was a favourite folk remedy for charms and love-philtres. It was believed to have the power to exorcise evil spirits, and was used in the case of "devil possessions," and to allay envy or terror. With the right rituals, it was used as a protection against poisons. It was customary to put this flower on the graves of children. Culpepper called Periwinkle "The Great Binder," and it was commended against "fluxes," and a good remedy for cramp. Modern medicine crushed the leaves, made into a poultice for skin inflammation. Nothing in there about "mental benefits," but then - vinpocetine is not vinca, merely a chemical derived from it. Herbal folklore from "A Modern Herbal," by Mrs. M. Grieve in Two Volumes. My point being that nootropics are akin to designer drugs, where they alter a molecule for a specific effect - and have not been adequately tested in humans. Oh man!! I just came from my functional neurologist who wants me to take this. Now what!! Dang... Effexor XR 300 (brand) mg & various SSRIs 15 yrs (Effexor XR 300 mg past 10 yrs Clonazepam, 1.0 mg. am, .5 mg pm. - 15 yrs, 7-17-16- Began .5 three times a day Vyvanse 60 mg, - 2 yrs, Cut to 50 mg for 6 mths, Cut to 30 mg. on 4-1-16. Tapering. Approx. 4-1-15 began Effexor XR 300 taper, very slowly for a year. Held at 37.5 for about 3 mths. Cut to 18 mg for 2 wks to 0. WD began 2 wks later. Depression, anxiety, paranoia, low appetite, nausea. 7-14-16-Reinstated 5 beads Effx after 4 mths misery.Pooped out 10 days. 9-12-16-to present- Wide eyed terror, bedridden fear, no appetite/feeling of being full. 10-30-16- Began 15% liquid tapering of 30 mg Vyvanse. (25 mg) 11-13-16- Liquid Vyvanse 22 mg,11-27-16- Liquid 15 mg, 12-12-16- Vyvanse 12.5 for 5 days. 12-16 - 12-29, 15 mg. 11-20-16- Switched back to 1.0 clonazepam am & .5 bedtime 12-30-16- Moved to 15 mg COMPOUNDED Vyvanse.Current 4/11-4/25 7.5 mg.(10% ev 2 wks) Off Vyvanse Current meds:Effexor XR- 3 Beads, Clonazepam-1.0 mg am, .5 mg bedtime,Vyvanse-(tapering) Estradiol- 2 mg,Progesterone 200 mg,Testosterone 30 mg/ml,Nature Throid- 48.75 mg.(12-21-16-65 mg.) (4-18-17-81.25 mg) Current supplements: Fish Oil-1360 mg, Curamin- 2706 mg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiaK Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I tried the herb...it's very potent. Both the herb and the nutriceutical can reduce immune function, however, and shouldn't be taken long term. I didn't like it...and got rid of it after a few tries. I have an overactive immune system so that concern wasn't a big one for me in the short run. Everything Matters: Beyond Meds https://beyondmeds.com/ withdrawn from a cocktail of 6 psychiatric drugs that included every class of psych drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus JanCarol Posted September 22, 2017 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 22, 2017 If a doctor asked me to take this - I would ask him exactly why he wants me to take it. If he spouts a bunch of neurochemical lingo babble, I would refuse. If he says something that resonates with my condition, I would consider trying it. There's always the: "do I really need this?" approach. Will it save your life? Then you don't need it. I suspect doctors of throwing all kinds of garbage, er, drugs at you when you complain. I'm learning to complain as little as possible to get what I need from doctors. "Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again. My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices. A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia. CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013. Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine). Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 - Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years on Lithium). Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made. The tedious thread (my intro): JanCarol ☼ Reboxetine first, then Lithium The happy thread (my success story): JanCarol - Undiagnosed Off all bipolar drugs My own blog: https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/ I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheri755 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 15 hours ago, JanCarol said: If a doctor asked me to take this - I would ask him exactly why he wants me to take it. If he spouts a bunch of neurochemical lingo babble, I would refuse. If he says something that resonates with my condition, I would consider trying it. There's always the: "do I really need this?" approach. Will it save your life? Then you don't need it. I suspect doctors of throwing all kinds of garbage, er, drugs at you when you complain. I'm learning to complain as little as possible to get what I need from doctors. I have a call in to him to ask these questions. I know he explained it when we met but my memory is so poor that I can't remember his reason. Seems like it was something to do with trying to get better blood supply to the brain. He gave this to me after going over my MRI results that showed some old TIAs and mild brain shrinkage normal for my age. He's having me do some exercises that seem strange to me but he's trying to reset the brain such as walking backwards while hubby guides me. Effexor XR 300 (brand) mg & various SSRIs 15 yrs (Effexor XR 300 mg past 10 yrs Clonazepam, 1.0 mg. am, .5 mg pm. - 15 yrs, 7-17-16- Began .5 three times a day Vyvanse 60 mg, - 2 yrs, Cut to 50 mg for 6 mths, Cut to 30 mg. on 4-1-16. Tapering. Approx. 4-1-15 began Effexor XR 300 taper, very slowly for a year. Held at 37.5 for about 3 mths. Cut to 18 mg for 2 wks to 0. WD began 2 wks later. Depression, anxiety, paranoia, low appetite, nausea. 7-14-16-Reinstated 5 beads Effx after 4 mths misery.Pooped out 10 days. 9-12-16-to present- Wide eyed terror, bedridden fear, no appetite/feeling of being full. 10-30-16- Began 15% liquid tapering of 30 mg Vyvanse. (25 mg) 11-13-16- Liquid Vyvanse 22 mg,11-27-16- Liquid 15 mg, 12-12-16- Vyvanse 12.5 for 5 days. 12-16 - 12-29, 15 mg. 11-20-16- Switched back to 1.0 clonazepam am & .5 bedtime 12-30-16- Moved to 15 mg COMPOUNDED Vyvanse.Current 4/11-4/25 7.5 mg.(10% ev 2 wks) Off Vyvanse Current meds:Effexor XR- 3 Beads, Clonazepam-1.0 mg am, .5 mg bedtime,Vyvanse-(tapering) Estradiol- 2 mg,Progesterone 200 mg,Testosterone 30 mg/ml,Nature Throid- 48.75 mg.(12-21-16-65 mg.) (4-18-17-81.25 mg) Current supplements: Fish Oil-1360 mg, Curamin- 2706 mg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus JanCarol Posted September 22, 2017 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 22, 2017 LOL maybe that's why he wants to give it to you! The main question is "WHY ARE YOU GIVING ME THIS?" But if it's blood flow to the brain, do you have any gingko trees around your neighborhood? Collect fresh gingko leaves, make a steam and inhale it. Why do you need a controversial nootropic to do this? If you want to take it to the next level - just take gingko, proven to increase blood flow to the brain (but not to be taken with NSAIDS or blood thinners). Doctors - always looking to the complex path when a simple will do! Your brain fog will improve as your drug load decreases. Time is another excellent simple. "Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again. My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices. A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia. CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013. Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine). Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 - Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years on Lithium). Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made. The tedious thread (my intro): JanCarol ☼ Reboxetine first, then Lithium The happy thread (my success story): JanCarol - Undiagnosed Off all bipolar drugs My own blog: https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/ I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullofdetermination Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 (edited) Topic title: Namenda/Memantine - Is there any consensus on using it to help withdrawal? I didn't find a specific topic on this nootropic, but sorry if this post is inappropriate. My worst symptoms are definitely strong obsessive thoughts and I am getting easily burnt out after little mental work in my job, which is concerning and I wonder how much time I can keep going like this, having to pause meetings due to a feeling of "frying brain". Given this, I really suspect about glutamate excess and I wonder how many of you tried memantine to help mitigating the symptoms of the taper, or even as alternative for SSRIs. If that's the case, how much is safe to take? Edited April 7, 2021 by ChessieCat added topic title before merging similar topics Prozac: 2018/05 - 20mg, 2018/07 - 40mg Zoloft: 2018/08 - 50mg, 2018/12 - 100mg, 2020/11 - 150mg, 2021/03/16 - 125mg Xanax/Valium: Aug/18 - 0.5mg, Sep18 - 1.5mg (2.5mg in extreme cases), Oct/18- 1.25mg, Nov/18 - 1mg,Dec/18 - 0.75mg, Xanax + 5mg Valium, Apr/19 - .5mg X + 5mg V, Jul/19 - .25mg X + 5mg V, Dec/19 - .25mg X + 2.5mg V, Jan/20 - .125mg X + 2.5mgV, Apr/20 - 2.5mg V, May/20 - 1.25mg V, May/20 (end of the month) - 1.0mg V, Jun/20 - 0.75mg V, 03/08/2020 - 0.70, 24/08/2020 - 0.60, 22/09/2020 - 0.50, 06/10/2020 - 0.40, 03/11/2020 - 0.30 30/11/2020 - 1.25mg of V (Updose due to being unable to work) Feb/21 - 2.5mg of V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted April 7, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted April 7, 2021 Similar topics merged. SA likes to keep similar information in one place so it is easier for members to find. I have added the original topic title to the above post so that if a search is done then the name of the supplement will be found. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoneDanny Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Ditch the Vinpocetine https://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/23457-vinpocetine-ditch-it/ 2021 Oct. 20-21 12.5mg sertraline Oct. 22-Nov 6 25mg sertraline Nov. 7-11 50mg sertraline Nov. 12 -15 25mg sertraline Nov. 16-19 12.5mg sertraline After finding this site, I realize I did an extremely fast taper. I just wanted to be off of the drug. It made me feel horrible and in a constant state of panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakebob Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Hello I took vinpocetine and I think it could have destabilized me. (though not 100% sure if this is the main cause). Took one day 5mg and the next 10mg and few hours after that second dose I started having unpleasant symptoms: tingling in my hands and head which felt very similar to brain zaps, nausea, couldn't sit still, dizziness, dry mouth. I still have some of that (mostly tingling in my head that feels like a brain zap and nausea). To be honest this feeling is quite similar to the one I had when tapering paroxetine. And the problem is this gets worse when I use a computer to read something or watch a video or generally when I strain my eyes. December 2009 - February 2012: Paroxetine (Seroxat), occasionally Clorazepate || February 2012 - November 2012: Escitalopram || November 2012 - May 2013: Venlafaxine, also benzodiazepines, mostly Xanax || June 2013 - December 2013: only benzodiazepines Xanax, I'm starting to become addicted to it. || December 2013 - March 2014: again Paroxetine, very often Xanax || March 2014 - June 2014: Fluoxetine. Changed Paroxetine to Fluoxetine. I was practically addicted to Xanax at this point. || I had an unpleasant accident in June 2014. Abruptly Stopped taking SSRIs but was still addicted to benzos. || August 2014 I started taking Clomipramine and in September 2014 Mirtazapine 10 mg. This was the time I stopped taking benzos for good. The withdrawal was pretty hard for more than half a year. || October 2014: Stopped Clomipramine and for month tried Sertraline September 2014 to Present Day: Mirtazapine 15mg December 2014 to August 2018 I was on 30 mg Paroxetine. Started tapering in January 2018. Going twice from 30mg to 20mg in a matter of 2-3 days. Didn't work. Started again in February 2018. Generally every 2 months I was making a big drop by 10mg in a matter of two weeks. I stopped taking it completely in August 11th, 2018. My Symptoms include depression, anxiety, sleeping problems, apathy, anhedonia, photophobia, afterimages, other vision problems (hard to vocus my eyes), tinnitus, brain fog. The problems with my eyesight are especially annoying and scary. After four months they have become more severe. Currently: 15mg mirtazapine (since September 2014), 0 paroxetine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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