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Shep
18 hours ago, lalala said:

10am 15mg celena and last oxaz 10mg

3pm  feel more anxious

10:30pm  7.5 zopiclone  sleep  3-4 hours

4am woke up anxious

6am took inosital

8am propanol 10mg

 

9:30 10 celexa

12pm tried to nap and  couldn't  had high anxiety  because of it

1pm  took a quarter of  k  of 0.5

3pm tried sleeping couldn't got anxious frustrated

 

 

3 hours ago, lalala said:

9pm took k   0.5

10:30pm took 200mg magnesium +3mg melatonin 

1pm  woke up anxious  AC was not working  well had to put fans

Was able to come down 

6am cortisal but was able to come down 

9am was up  tired

10am crying was depressed 

11:30 took 10mg Celexa 

 

 

Lalala, please be very consistent with taking your drugs. Why are you taking a benzo in the middle of the day and trying to sleep? 

 

Concerning your melatonin, 3 mg is likely way too much. Please see:

 

Melatonin for sleep

 

On 4/6/2011 at 9:26 PM, Altostrata said:

Large doses of melatonin do NOT aid sleep -- they might cause your oversensitive brain to wake up, instead. I found when I took more than 2mg of melatonin, I was weepy in the morning. If you get this or a paradoxical reaction (waking) or are dopey in the morning, it's a sign you're taking too much.

 

You said you were "crying was depressed" at 10 am - that could be from the high amount of melatonin. Here are some guidelines for using melatonin during withdrawal: 

 

On 4/6/2011 at 9:26 PM, Altostrata said:

Start with .25mg-.50mg melatonin for 3-4 days.

- Take at the same time, nightfall (but, given that it's summer, not later than 8 p.m.), every night.

- If needed, gradually increase by .25mg for 3-4 days at a time.

- Use the lowest effective dose.

 

Please also work on non-drug methods to help you sleep. See:

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

Tips to help sleep - so many of us have that awful withdrawal insomnia

 

 

 

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lalala
14 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

 

 

Lalala, please be very consistent with taking your drugs. Why are you taking a benzo in the middle of the day and trying to sleep? 

 

Concerning your melatonin, 3 mg is likely way too much. Please see:

 

Melatonin for sleep

 

 

You said you were "crying was depressed" at 10 am - that could be from the high amount of melatonin. Here are some guidelines for using melatonin during withdrawal: 

 

 

Please also work on non-drug methods to help you sleep. See:

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

Tips to help sleep - so many of us have that awful withdrawal insomnia

 

 

 

I have been very tried  period days,  plus dont sleep enough... I think the magnesium helped , thinking of taking  5mg of celexa  as 10  gives me anxiety, palpitations

Is it ok to take a quater of k  and reduce it from night time  dosage? I was crying because Im tired and also I didnt want to be alone...

 

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lalala
On 6/23/2018 at 6:14 AM, Shep said:

 

 

 

Lalala, please be very consistent with taking your drugs. Why are you taking a benzo in the middle of the day and trying to sleep? 

 

Concerning your melatonin, 3 mg is likely way too much. Please see:

 

Melatonin for sleep

 

 

You said you were "crying was depressed" at 10 am - that could be from the high amount of melatonin. Here are some guidelines for using melatonin during withdrawal: 

 

 

Please also work on non-drug methods to help you sleep. See:

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

Tips to help sleep - so many of us have that awful withdrawal insomnia

 

 

 

Waking with panic or anxiety this link doesnt open

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manymoretodays

Hi lalala,

Try this one

waking with panic or anxiety

........and thanks for letting us know.

 

Love, peace, healing/inrecovery, and growth,

mmt

 

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Altostrata

lalala, you can cut the Celexa from 10mg to 5mg, but you must keep notes about what happens.

 

You MUST keep notes about the times of day you take your drugs and supplements, their dosages, and your significant symptoms day and night, such as when you go to sleep and when you wake up.

 

You MUST take Celexa at the same time each day. You MUST keep notes about when you take the benzos.

 

If you don't do this, we can't do much to help you.

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lalala
20 hours ago, lalala said:

9pm took k   0.5

10:30pm took 200mg magnesium +3mg melatonin 

1pm  woke up anxious  AC was not working  well had to put fans

Was able to come down 

6am cortisal but was able to come down 

9am was up  tired

10am crying was depressed 

11:30 took 10mg Celexa 

 

12:30 palpitations 

2pm took propranolol 10

3pm was not able  to  rest/sleep 

Afternoon had tingling  sensations my body from Celexa, Weakness,  

6pm feel very  tired 

8pm chest pain(tight  chest) 

10pm k  0.5 shaved  very  little  of with nail file,  took  200mg magnesium  +melatonin  1.5  omega 3  l capsule 

1am woke up with  anxiety  tried to sleep  again  was not able to.  Keep having anxiety  rush...  Scared of taking klonopin. 

4pm took 2cap. Inositol  500mg

5am cortisal  rush 

 

I also think I'm not  eating well  may affect  anxiety? 

 

 

 

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lalala
2 hours ago, Altostrata said:

lalala, you can cut the Celexa from 10mg to 5mg, but you must keep notes about what happens.

 

You MUST keep notes about the times of day you take your drugs and supplements, their dosages, and your significant symptoms day and night, such as when you go to sleep and when you wake up.

 

You MUST take Celexa at the same time each day. You MUST keep notes about when you take the benzos.

 

If you don't do this, we can't do much to help you.

Just added  more info 

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Altostrata

Are you taking Celexa at night? What time? How do you sleep?

 

If you get low blood sugar, this can cause anxiety surges. You must eat regularly.

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lalala
On 6/22/2018 at 1:51 PM, Shep said:

 

 

 

lalala, I've copied a few key posts from your benzo thread and placed them here for the antidepressant moderators.

 

It seems like the the Celexa may be too high and since you've been at that dose for only 6 days, you may be able to go back to your original 5 mg.

 

As I mentioned in your benzo thread, we really need a drug and symptoms journal to be able to help you. We need to see when you are taking benzos and z-drugs, as your doses have been skipping around quite a bit. 

 

Drug and Symptoms Journal Format

 

Please post your journal here in this thread. 

9am 5mg cel/ vitamin c/omega 3 /
10am crying   feeling  alone
10:30 Had black molasses with water then diarrhea
11:30 Feeling dizzy unbalance to dress
12pm still  felt the tingling not so much
1pm blurry vision
Also exhausted  from sleeping  only 3hrs last night, Able to almost  fall asleep  waiting  in an office  get home an difficult  to sleep  a bit.
5pm butterfly  in my stomach  personal  reasons.
6pm ate
6:30 omega 3
7pm weaknesses  (stress from thoughts)
8pm legs feel  heavy tingling
9pm showered felt unbalanced again
9:15 100 magn
9:45pm headache
10pm k  0. 5  filed a bit of the pill
10:10 100 magn/3 mg melatonin
12am woke  up
1-4am anxiety  cortisal rush
5am had a snack
Tried sleep   couldn't
 

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lalala

I take Celexa  it in the morning,  I took  5mg yesterday  I  think it  was better 

But still  bad sleep  cortisol  rush  

9am 5mg cel/ vitamin c/omega 3 /
10am crying   feeling  alone
10:30 Had black molasses with water then diarrhea
11:30 Feeling dizzy unbalance to dress
12pm still  felt the tingling not so much
1pm blurry vision
Also exhausted  from sleeping  only 3hrs last night, Able to almost  fall asleep  waiting  in an office  get home an difficult  to sleep  a bit.
5pm butterfly  in my stomach  personal  reasons.
6pm ate
6:30 omega 3
7pm weaknesses  (stress from thoughts)
8pm legs feel  heavy tingling
9pm showered felt unbalanced again
9:15 100 magn
9:45pm headache
10pm k  0. 5  filed a bit of the pill
10:10 100 magn/3 mg melatonin
12am woke  up
1-4am anxiety  cortisal rush
5am had a snack
Tried sleep   couldn't
 

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lalala
9 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Are you taking Celexa at night? What time? How do you sleep?

 

If you get low blood sugar, this can cause anxiety surges. You must eat regularly.

Is Phosphorylated helpful  for morning  awakings? 

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ChessieCat

Adding something new into the mix at this time is only going to complicate things and make it very difficult for the mods to work out your best options.

 

Google:  survivingantidepressants.org phosphatidyl

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lalala
3 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

Adding something new into the mix at this time is only going to complicate things and make it very difficult for the mods to work out your best options.

 

Google:  survivingantidepressants.org phosphatidyl

Mods? Not functioning so well

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bubbles

Hello lalala

 

Mods are moderators

 

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Shep
6 hours ago, lalala said:

10:10 100 magn/3 mg melatonin
12am woke  up

 

Please see my earlier post here about this high dose of melatonin. 

 

6 hours ago, lalala said:

10pm k  0. 5  filed a bit of the pill

 

How much Klonopin are you taking?

 

Filing off a bit of the pill is going to complicate things because you are varying the amount of the dose which is confusing to the nervous system. Also, you're filing an unknown amount off the Klonopin at the same time that you are reducing the Celexa, so you aren't going to know what symptom is being caused by what drug change. Please see:

 

The rule of 3KIS: Keep it simple. Keep it slow. Keep it stable.

 

Please only make one change at a time. Hopefully now that your Celexa is reduced, you'll have less symptoms, but this may take a few days/weeks for your nervous system to adjust. 

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lalala
2 hours ago, Shep said:

 

Please see my earlier post here about this high dose of melatonin. 

 

 

How much Klonopin are you taking?

 

Filing off a bit of the pill is going to complicate things because you are varying the amount of the dose which is confusing to the nervous system. Also, you're filing an unknown amount off the Klonopin at the same time that you are reducing the Celexa, so you aren't going to know what symptom is being caused by what drug change. Please see:

 

The rule of 3KIS: Keep it simple. Keep it slow. Keep it stable.

 

Please only make one change at a time. Hopefully now that your Celexa is reduced, you'll have less symptoms, but this may take a few days/weeks for your nervous system to adjust. 

ok  by then im still taking K and damaging my brain ; (

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Altostrata

Do not worry about the Klonopin and your brain. Stick with the drugs at exactly the same time and dosages each day. We need to find out the effect of the Celexa reduction.

 

Do you eat only once a day?

 

Please let us know how you're doing now that you've reduced to 5mg Celexa.

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lalala

OK , no I try to eat 3times  a day but I  didn't  have  an appetite  until  recently... 

M

I went to a doc.  He said Celexa  is not good  for me l needed a more Sedative  AD...  Because  of my insomnia. 

 

Should  I  continue   for now?  I do sleep  less than before... 

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lalala

9:00 5mg cel/ omega 3 /100 mag
10:00crying from lack of sleep
10:30 Feeling  tired, tingling feeling in my stomach  and breathing  deeper...
11:30  Feeling    palpitations
12pm  feeling  stomach  discomfort
100 pm  tingling  in my head and dizzy
3:00 exhausted  drug feeling
4:30 ate
5:00  crying  with family member
6:00pm  headache
8:30 crying
10 45 pm ate
Dizzy in the shower,  headache
11pm k 0.5/100 magn/omega 3
(sleep  wasn't  to bad  )
4:30am woke up
5:30 cortisol  rush 
Stayed in bed trying  to  rest (worried about  my life  klonopin  how will  the taper go )
8:00am diarrhea
9-10:30 trying  to sleep  couldn't
11:00 took 0.5 Celexa  crying  and stress

11:15 ate
 

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lalala
13 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Do not worry about the Klonopin and your brain. Stick with the drugs at exactly the same time and dosages each day. We need to find out the effect of the Celexa reduction.

 

Do you eat only once a day?

 

Please let us know how you're doing now that you've reduced to 5mg Celexa.

I feel  less anxiety which is good  ,  but crying  alot...  I  have a ton of issues  and I'm alone

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Altostrata

Less anxiety is good. Be sure to take 5mg Celexa at the same time every day, and let us know how you're doing.

 

When are you taking the benzo? We need this information.

 

Withdrawal syndrome is very lonely, hardly anyone understands. To manage the emotional symptoms, see

 

Neuro-emotions

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

Deep emotional pain and crying spells, spontaneous weeping

 

Dealing With Emotional Spirals

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lalala
47 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Less anxiety is good. Be sure to take 5mg Celexa at the same time every day, and let us know how you're doing.

 

When are you taking the benzo? We need this information.

 

Withdrawal syndrome is very lonely, hardly anyone understands. To manage the emotional symptoms, see

 

Neuro-emotions

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

Deep emotional pain and crying spells, spontaneous weeping

 

Dealing With Emotional Spirals

I take it between  10/11pm 0.5 klonopin 

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Altostrata

Please keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages -- including the Klonopin or any other benzos. We need to find out if you're having any reactions to the benzo as well.

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lalala
8 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Please keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages -- including the Klonopin or any other benzos. We need to find out if you're having any reactions to the benzo as well.

I have been  sending  it to Shep and you it just takes time to  accumulate  then I copy paste it...

9 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Less anxiety is good. Be sure to take 5mg Celexa at the same time every day, and let us know how you're doing.

 

When are you taking the benzo? We need this information.

 

Withdrawal syndrome is very lonely, hardly anyone understands. To manage the emotional symptoms, see

 

Neuro-emotions

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

Deep emotional pain and crying spells, spontaneous weeping

 

Dealing With Emotional Spirals

Im not sure it's doing so much,  makes me tired and agitates me at times...  What is the plan,  regarding  taper? 

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lalala

Yesterdays  symptoms 

 

11am took   5mg Celexa /100 mag /omega3
12:30  tingling  in my stomach,  tired feeling 
 1pm  ate
3pm feeling  weak tired
4:15 tired heavy feeling /blurry vision 
5pm ate
5:30pm not feeling well / weak/tingling  in my body/sleepy 
6:30pm tried to rest/ as I was exhausted  just closed my eyes 
9:30showered  was a bit dizzy,  cryed
10:00 ate very  little 

10:15   k 0.5/200magn / 1.5 melatonin /vitamin c.

10:45 cryed
Woke up a few times(because  of heat) sleep  seems better
4:30am still have cortisol  rush twice
But was able to  control. 

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lalala
21 hours ago, lalala said:

9:00 5mg cel/ omega 3 /100 mag
10:00crying from lack of sleep
10:30 Feeling  tired, tingling feeling in my stomach  and breathing  deeper...
11:30  Feeling    palpitations
12pm  feeling  stomach  discomfort
100 pm  tingling  in my head and dizzy
3:00 exhausted  drug feeling
4:30 ate
5:00  crying  with family member
6:00pm  headache
8:30 crying
10 45 pm ate
Dizzy in the shower,  headache
11pm k 0.5/100 magn/omega 3
(sleep  wasn't  to bad  )
4:30am woke up
5:30 cortisol  rush 
Stayed in bed trying  to  rest (worried about  my life  klonopin  how will  the taper go )
8:00am diarrhea
9-10:30 trying  to sleep  couldn't
11:00 took 0.5 Celexa  crying  and stress

11:15 ate
 

Continuation  from  yesterday 

11am took   5mg Celexa /100 mag /omega3
12:30  tingling  in my stomach,  tired feeling 
 1pm  ate
3pm feeling  weak tired
4:15 tired heavy feeling /blurry vision 
5pm ate
5:30pm not feeling well / weak/tingling  in my body/sleepy 
6:30pm tried to rest/ as I was exhausted  just closed my eyes 
9:30showered  was a bit dizzy 
10:00 ate very  little 
10:15   k 0.5/200magn / 1.5 melatonin /vitamin c. 
Woke up a few times(because  of heat) sleep  seems better
4:30am still have cortisol  rush twice
But was able to  control. 

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lalala
On 6/25/2018 at 2:38 PM, Shep said:

 

Please see my earlier post here about this high dose of melatonin. 

 

 

How much Klonopin are you taking?

 

Filing off a bit of the pill is going to complicate things because you are varying the amount of the dose which is confusing to the nervous system. Also, you're filing an unknown amount off the Klonopin at the same time that you are reducing the Celexa, so you aren't going to know what symptom is being caused by what drug change. Please see:

 

The rule of 3KIS: Keep it simple. Keep it slow. Keep it stable.

 

Please only make one change at a time. Hopefully now that your Celexa is reduced, you'll have less symptoms, but this may take a few days/weeks for your nervous system to adjust. 

Want to add  I took camomile  Te...  Hope it's ok

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lalala
5 hours ago, lalala said:

I have been  sending  it to Shep and you it just takes time to  accumulate  then I copy paste it...

Im not sure it's doing so much,  makes me tired and agitates me at times...  What is the plan,  regarding  taper? 

I don't  know  how  long 

I want  to be in these drugs because I  feel they just give  me side effects...  Celexa  I know  it takes time...  I'm not very  functional in the mornings and I'm worried I have to start  working  don't  have alot of financial support 

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lalala

8:30 headache (woke  up alot)
9 am  ate
9:30 5mg  cel/ Probiotic /omega 3
10am very  tired  shivery/blurry vision
11am ate very little
11:17 tired and weak
1:30pm Feeling  depressed
2:30 ate cookies
4:00   feeling  sleepy zzz
4:30 mag 100
5pm ate
6pm palpitations  can't rest thinking  a lot
7pm  dye my hair/ less depressed
9am  ate, 
9:30 blurry  vision,  200mag,  omega 3,  vit  c,  1.5 melatonin,  camomile te
10:15     k 0.5

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Altostrata

This looks like you're doing a bit better, lalala.

 

16 hours ago, lalala said:

Im not sure it's doing so much,  makes me tired and agitates me at times...  What is the plan,  regarding  taper? 

 

What drug are you talking about?

 

We need to get you stable before we talk about tapering. We need you to take the drugs at the same time each day and make notes about your symptoms. Then we can figure out how to taper. You just reduced the Celexa by 50%!!

 

That cortisol rush at 4:30 a.m. may be reduced by keeping the bedroom very dark. Can you put blackout curtains and shades on the windows, and wear a sleep mask to block out the morning light?

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lalala

Hi yes I do use  a mask in the morning... 

Im was told WD from klonopin  is another  set of wd symptoms  and it makes me depressed  it's like an never ending  story....  I  was  talking  about  Celexa  before a few days I  still  feel drugged  at times too. I may be better... Than 10mg  

 

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Altostrata

Please do not make any more changes, let us know how you're doing.

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lalala

no i won't just feel like I ruined  my life ... 

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3am woke  up  took mag 100/ 2 inositol
4:30 was on cellphone
8am diarrhea
9am Celexa  5mg
10:30 crying  depressed
12pm  blurry  vision  (out of it)
1:00 snack
2:30  vitamin c, omega 3,  Probiotic
Stomachache
3:17  bad anxiety  alone,  negative  thinking
3:30 ate
4:30 propranolol 10mg
5pm had to take  a quarter of  klonopin 0.5
6pm breathing  exercises 
7 laying around
9pm ate well
10:15 klonopin  0.5, 200 mag,  1.5 melatonin,  vitamin c

 

On 6/28/2018 at 4:10 AM, Altostrata said:

Please do not make any more changes, let us know how you're doing.

I  won't,  

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lalala
2 hours ago, lalala said:

3am woke  up  took mag 100/ 2 inositol
4:30 was on cellphone
8am diarrhea
9am Celexa  5mg
10:30 crying  depressed
12pm  blurry  vision  (out of it)
1:00 snack
2:30  vitamin c, omega 3,  Probiotic
Stomachache
3:17  bad anxiety  alone,  negative  thinking
3:30 ate
4:30 propranolol 10mg
5pm had to take  a quarter of  klonopin 0.5
6pm breathing  exercises 
7 laying around
9pm ate well
10:15 klonopin  0.5, 200 mag,  1.5 melatonin,  vitamin c

 

Do  hormon changes  affect anxiety like  ovulation

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Use google and search:  survivingantidepressants.org hormones

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