lalala: Paxil to Prozac

[lalala]

14 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Where are your daily symptom notes?

will send at the send of the day, thxs

[lalala]

On 11/2/2018 at 11:03 PM, Altostrata said:

Where are your daily symptom notes?

Woke up  at 3am    4hrs sleep
Got out of bed a around 9:30
10 Celexa  5mg
Dizziness,  blurry vision
Exhausted
Ate apiece  of cake,  chocolate, tea,  soy milk
Dry eyes
12 weakness
Anxiety, shaky  hands
Ate chicken, salad, pure
12:30 Headache
2pm feeling  overwhelmed  cold in my brain
Shaking  inside while in a conversation
I think it might  be the new brand of Celexa
3pm shortness of breath  at home
4pm tried taking a  nap  not sure I  did 
5   palpitations  very  tired
6 eyes burning  from no sleep
In bed  feeling  useless  and scared can't  breath  probably
6 30 took omega 3
7cried from being tired
Went for a walk  anxiety
8 cooking
9:15 k 0.5
Vit . C, mag. 200,  melatonin 1.5
 

[Altostrata]

When did you start the new brand of Celexa? Do you feel better or worse after you take it?

[lalala]

Woke up  at 4am...  Put meditation  at 6am
Woke up at  9 after a dream same palpitations...
checking  my phone  headache
10:30 cel 5mg
11:30 back ache tingling
Ovulating
Tensión Headache
Headache,  blurry vision 
2 feeling  drugged slow
Dry eyes
5 Back pain
6 body ache, headache
6:30 omega 3
7 malaise  feeling, muscle aches
9:45 k 0.5

 

Anxiety less but still wake up  at 4am up a few hours exhausting
 

[lalala]

22 hours ago, Altostrata said:

When did you start the new brand of Celexa? Do you feel better or worse after you take it?

I feel  worse like it's stronger,  

4 days ago I  switched I can switch back... I feel  like  I  reached  a dead end with  the drugs... I have withdrawal  symptoms,  specially  with hormone  changes ... I need to start tapering  soon...  Just feel  like I'm wding  with no decrease... I have  been  waking up  in the middle of the night,  not so functional in the morning  but that's always  mornings.  Still  settling  but  not getting  anywhere...  I want to do titration,  I  think  there is not point  in taking  something  that's making  you sick  everyday...   I had some stressor that complicated  things... Anyway  I'm going  to get my period  in 11days so not a good  time... I already  feel the body aches there will always  be something...  And not sure what to expect  but going very slow  anyway  when I start 

[Altostrata]

Which symptoms are worse with the new brand of Celexa?

 

How do you take 5mg Celexa? Do you cut a tablet in half?

[lalala]

1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

Which symptoms are worse with the new brand of Celexa?

 

How do you take 5mg Celexa? Do you cut a tablet in half?

I dissolve it in water 40ml water  with 20 mg of celexa

[lalala]

1 hour ago, lalala said:

I dissolve it in water 40ml water  with 20 mg of celexa

I  feel  it agitated me...also I feel  the dose.... 

[lalala]

I think  it's also if not mostly  the hormone  changes,  wish I  was a man  in wd.  It's really  bad sometimes 

[lalala]

4-5  hours sleep 
9 Woke up palpitations 
10:30 cel 5mg 

Feel the dose in my stomach  body
Still  feel not functional 
Flu like symptoms,  tired
Dry eyes sting 
12:30  chest pain ,  exhausted 
1 ate
5  try nap just rest
Eyes sting  from computer  light 
7 ate
10 :30 k  0. 5

11:30 sleep woke  up  at 4 

6-8am sleep again 

9 :30 got up  tired buzzing in my body 

 
 

[Carmie]

On 11/1/2018 at 1:29 AM, lalala said:

Hi Carmie,

I just your message   I have  to check my setting!   I moved homes was and  still is stressful, I feel I have gone backward in time and its holding my taper...

My sleep is bad, and anxiety pops up in the night... Moves are so hard  specially now in WD...

 How are you doing , how are you coping with everything?

 

 Hugs xxx

 

Hi lalala, 

 

Im sorry the move was so stressful for you. Have you made your new place nice n cosy? I think it’s important to make your home relaxing n have things to look at that you love like plants or fairy lights, pretty cushions, pictures on the walls you like etc.

 

Ive got a wall in my bedroom that my bed faces, there’s a tv there n I’ve stuck all things on the wall around the tv that make me smile. I just use blue tack. I’ve put art up there n balloons n fairy lights n positive wooden signs I’ve painted etc. when I’m stuck in bed n feel absolutely horrible it makes my day to wake up to my “happy wall.” I can’t believe how long balloons stay inflated, the ones I’ve got up there at the moment I think I blew up a month ago. I sometimes pop the balloons if I want different ones.

 

Are you holding for a while? It is always so important to hold until one stabilises before making any other changes. 

 

Take care n I hope you start to feel a little settled in your new place soon.💚

 

 

[lalala]

On 11/9/2018 at 11:22 AM, Carmie said:

 

Hi lalala, 

 

Im sorry the move was so stressful for you. Have you made your new place nice n cosy? I think it’s important to make your home relaxing n have things to look at that you love like plants or fairy lights, pretty cushions, pictures on the walls you like etc.

 

Ive got a wall in my bedroom that my bed faces, there’s a tv there n I’ve stuck all things on the wall around the tv that make me smile. I just use blue tack. I’ve put art up there n balloons n fairy lights n positive wooden signs I’ve painted etc. when I’m stuck in bed n feel absolutely horrible it makes my day to wake up to my “happy wall.” I can’t believe how long balloons stay inflated, the ones I’ve got up there at the moment I think I blew up a month ago. I sometimes pop the balloons if I want different ones.

 

Are you holding for a while? It is always so important to hold until one stabilises before making any other changes. 

 

Take care n I hope you start to feel a little settled in your new place soon.💚

 

 

It was very stressful and it affected my sleep... I wake up very tired but  that's always , I have not tapered yet,, thxs for the tips for the house,

its small this new place... still getting use to it.  but near a park  I think I will take  a walk later...Pushing myself

I like the happy wall concept the balloons.

I'm holding  still... Because of all this move and other things... 

how are you? are you more stabilized and in general? xx

[Godiswithme]

Hi lalala. I just saw your post on my page asking how I am tapering the Klonopin. 

I apologize I did not see it sooner. Are you currently tapering Klonopin?

I have a Gemini scale from Amazon. I bought a couple of Exacto knives from Michael’s craft supply. I bought a pack of small paper to cut the pill on from Amazon. I also have a pill splitter. I was taking 1mg of K for 10 months. Split into 2 doses AM and PM. 

In Sept 2017, I started tapering. Usually 10% per month. There have been a couple of months I have held for 6 weeks. 

I am now at .25 mg split into 2 doses per day. 

It seems sooo much easier to me than using liquid to taper, but that’s just me. 

If you want more info, please pm me. Or respond to this post. I will be sure to check. 

[Carmie]

On 11/10/2018 at 9:06 PM, lalala said:

It was very stressful and it affected my sleep... I wake up very tired but  that's always , I have not tapered yet,, thxs for the tips for the house,

its small this new place... still getting use to it.  but near a park  I think I will take  a walk later...Pushing myself

I like the happy wall concept the balloons.

I'm holding  still... Because of all this move and other things... 

how are you? are you more stabilized and in general? xx

 

Hi lalala, 

 

Yes I can imagine moving is extremely stressful. It’s stressful when you’re not ill but when going through withdrawals it would be overwhelming.

 

I haven’t stabilised as yet from changing to compounded capsules but when I do I’m going back to the original tablet as it’s more accurate so I’ll be going through many withdrawals because of that changeover again too. So is the world of tapering. 

 

Good idea for you to hold a little while until the stress of moving to a new place has settled n you are stabilised. Not a good idea to taper if you’re not back to the baseline of withdrawal normal n have bad symptoms.

 

Hope you’re feeling a little better soon💚

 

 

 

 

[lalala]

Alto,  Have headaches after an hour or so after Celexa 5mg  dose  anxiety and hard to focus my vision anxiety   is better  at night  still waking  up  a few times... 

[lalala]

Alto,  I  wrote  to Shep and we discussed  getting  of the AD first,  which  I'm happy  to do...  As I  get blurry vision  and headaches anyway 

I thought  to start  with 10% decrease   

I  already  take it in liquid 

[lalala]

13 hours ago, lalala said:

Alto,  I  wrote  to Shep and we discussed  getting  of the AD first,  which  I'm happy  to do...  As I  get blurry vision  and headaches anyway 

I thought  to start  with 10% decrease   

I  already  take it in liquid 

Or maybe lower%

[lalala]

Alto, I slept pretty decent yesterday,  11  to 6am... and then stayed in bed sleep a bit more but had weird dreams mornings are pretty difficult anyway  as I get headaches and  vision issues and feel pretty tried...I switched to the original brand  I was taking of Celexa today 

 

[Altostrata]

6 hours ago, lalala said:

I switched to the original brand  I was taking of Celexa today 

 

Are you still using a liquid? Why did you make the switch? Do you feel any difference?

[lalala]

It dissolved better,  not sure there is a difference 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 11/14/2018 at 3:05 PM, lalala said:

Alto,  I  wrote  to Shep and we discussed  getting  of the AD first,  which  I'm happy  to do...  As I  get blurry vision  and headaches anyway 

I thought  to start  with 10% decrease   

I  already  take it in liquid 

Or maybe lower%

[lalala]

I find it better the old brand now

Thxs... 

[lalala]

I'm better  still  confused  about  how to  withdraw  Celexa 5mg 

[Altostrata]

Do you have an oral syringe? You'd start by taking 4.5mg Celexa instead of 5mg.

[Shep]

Lalala, please don't start your AD taper until you've healed from your UTI (mentioned over in your benzo thread). 

[lalala]

On 11/28/2018 at 1:18 PM, Shep said:

Lalala, please don't start your AD taper until you've healed from your UTI (mentioned over in your benzo thread). 

its gone, thxs

[lalala]

On 11/28/2018 at 7:42 AM, Altostrata said:

Do you have an oral syringe? You'd start by taking 4.5mg Celexa instead of 5mg.

I use 10ml = 5mg celexa    I will have to figure out the maths...

[Songbird]

If you have Excel (or Open Office) you can use a spreadsheet to calculate doses.  See: how-to-calculate-dosages-and-dilutions-spreadsheets-and-calculators

 

At the bottom of my post click on one of the two files called dose_weights.  You can use the weight column to calculate your dose in ml (instead of grams).  It doesn't matter that it's ml instead of gram, the maths is the same.

 

For "dose of one whole pill" (orange cell) enter 5.   For "desired starting dose" (yellow cell) enter 5.  For "weight" (turquoise cell) enter 10.  In the green cell enter 10 for 10% dose reductions.

 

Then all the pale turquoise cells will show you the ml you need for each dose drop.

 

 

[lalala]

On 12/3/2018 at 12:41 AM, Songbird said:

If you have Excel (or Open Office) you can use a spreadsheet to calculate doses.  See: how-to-calculate-dosages-and-dilutions-spreadsheets-and-calculators

 

At the bottom of my post click on one of the two files called dose_weights.  You can use the weight column to calculate your dose in ml (instead of grams).  It doesn't matter that it's ml instead of gram, the maths is the same.

 

For "dose of one whole pill" (orange cell) enter 5.   For "desired starting dose" (yellow cell) enter 5.  For "weight" (turquoise cell) enter 10.  In the green cell enter 10 for 10% dose reductions.

 

Then all the pale turquoise cells will show you the ml you need for each dose drop.

 

 

thank you, Songbird. are these monthly reductions?

[ChessieCat]

I've just opened the spreadsheet.  It only calculates the dosage.  You make the reduction when you choose to do it.

 

These are the links, they were a bit had to see because they were at the very bottom so I am including them for you here:

 

Dose_weights_SA.xlsx

 

Dose_weights_SA.xls

 

Edited December 4, 2018 by ChessieCat
added links

[lalala]

12 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

I've just opened the spreadsheet.  It only calculates the dosage.  You make the reduction when you choose to do it.

 

These are the links, they were a bit had to see because they were at the very bottom so I am including them for you here:

 

Dose_weights_SA.xlsx

 

Dose_weights_SA.xls

 

Yes  I  was wondering  about  it at the end  I found it...  I  was thinking  of  alternating between  the 2 drugs.  One month   k then one month Celexa,  thxs  ChessieCat 

[lalala]

Hi Songbird and ChessieCat  how do  I  micro taper  Celexa 5mg  please

 

Thank you! 

[ChessieCat]

Tips for tapering off Celexa (citalopram)

 

Making a citalopram solution yourself
 

Q:  At what rate are you planning on tapering?

 

Here are some helpful links:

 

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

Brass Monkey Slide

 

Micro-taper instead of 10% or 5% decreases

Rhi's "Start Small, Listen to Your Body" Taper Plan

 

Keep it Simple, Slow and Stable

Keep Notes on Paper

[lalala]

thank you,  I still haven't started my taper but I have a question  I have been  taking 5mg of celexa and I recently  just use 20ml of water  I use to use  40ml, so reduced the water quantity I have had some headaches, today after my dose i had a headache straight away... can it be because or the water reduction?

 

Edited January 29, 2019 by ChessieCat
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[ChessieCat]

I don't know what dose of tablet you are using.  I will use 20mg tablet as an example.

 

20mg in 40mL - you would take 10mL solution for a 5mg dose   (divide both sides by 4)

 

20mg in 20mL - you would take 5mL solution for a 5mg dose   (divide both sides by 4)

 

Q:  Did you take the correct dose?

 

If you have taken the correct dose it may be coincidence that you have a head ache.  Or it might be the change of the concentration of the liquid.

 

It may also be to do with your monthly cycle.  We can get head aches for various reasons, not just related to withdrawal/tapering/changing formulations.

[lalala]

On 1/29/2019 at 11:55 PM, ChessieCat said:

I don't know what dose of tablet you are using.  I will use 20mg tablet as an example.

 

20mg in 40mL - you would take 10mL solution for a 5mg dose   (divide both sides by 4)

 

20mg in 20mL - you would take 5mL solution for a 5mg dose   (divide both sides by 4)

 

Q:  Did you take the correct dose?

 

If you have taken the correct dose it may be coincidence that you have a head ache.  Or it might be the change of the concentration of the liquid.

 

It may also be to do with your monthly cycle.  We can get head aches for various reasons, not just related to withdrawal/tapering/changing formulations.

Hi sorry , I just saw your message as i didn't get notified on my email... yes this is ow I do it  20mg in 20 ml  and divide it  I think it was my  monthly cycle

On 1/29/2019 at 11:55 PM, ChessieCat said:

20mg in 20mL - you would take 5mL solution for a 5mg dose   (divide both sides by 4)

 

[lalala]

Hi chessiecat,  I was decreasing but realized I was doing it wrong and not decreasing at all,  I started to from  20ml of water with the 20 mg of celexa pill then instead of reducing  just the ml with the same  quantity  I reduced the water  to 18ml and with the syringe  4.5 from the solution so that would be the same quantity?

anyway  I'm so sleep deprived I dont know what I was thinking... So  I will  do my 20mg in 20mL - you would take 5mL solution for a 5mg dose   (divide both sides by 4) and  just decrease  the ml in the syringe... this is correct? Was not able to  open the Making a citalopram solution yourself