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Hey Dave, I hear ya.

From what you’ve posted it does seem like you’re stabilizing.

I try to find even one symptom that isn’t as intense or something that has improved to say “shoot, at least there’s that, some kind of progress”

 

”dang it, the tingling is back... Hmm, it doesn’t seem to be as constant or sensitive as it was a month ago.”

 

any silver lining is helpful.

 

I see your amount of posting as a good thing. Your seeking help from those who have or are going through the same things. We may not be able to cure each other but we can help each other avoid pitfalls and spur each other on to keep going and that my friend is worth a lot. : )

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1 hour ago, David182 said:

 

From what you’ve posted it does seem like you’re stabilizing.

I try to find even one symptom that isn’t as intense or something that has improved to say “shoot, at least there’s that, some kind of progress”

 

any silver lining is helpful.

 

I see your amount of posting as a good thing. Your seeking help from those who have or are going through the same things. We may not be able to cure each other but we can help each other avoid pitfalls and spur each other on to keep going and that my friend is worth a lot. : )

 

Yeah I would have said the same thing last Saturday though and then Sunday was as bad of a day as I can ever recall...hoping for a better Sunday this week. I love you last statement and agree, that is worth a lot!

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David182

Shoot, I’m sorry. I’m hoping you have relief soon. Do you take magnesium supplements? I take 250mg in the morning and at night before bed. I think that’s helped my anxiety and sleep a lot. 

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David182

With the rough times as of late, I would like to share something...

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A police officer, parked on the median of an interstate, was monitoring the road for speeding or otherwise reckless drivers.

The day was proving uneventful until something caught his eye. A man drove by with what looked like a large animal in his back seat.

Unsure of what he just witnessed, the officer through on his lights and siren & pursued the odd situation.

 

The man with the animal pulled off to the shoulder without trouble. The police officer approached the vehicle and with a closer perspective noticed a baby elephant in the back seat. Shocked, the officer asked, "What do you think your doing with that animal?!"

 

The driver replied, "I found him."

"Found him? Well, the back seat of a vehicle is no place for a baby elephant. I wont give you a ticket if you just take that thing to the zoo!"

"OK, I will. I didn't mean any trouble."

 

A week later the officer was parked in his usual spot. He saw the same driver and sure enough, he still had a baby elephant on board.

 

The officer tracked him down and pulled him over again.

 

"I thought I told you to take that thing to the zoo."

"Oh, I did officer. We had so much fun, today we figured we'd go to the beach!"

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One of my favorite jokes. I hope it brings some joy to you all : )

 

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1/18/18

Had a zero calorie vitamin water this afternoon (had some magnesium among other things). It’s helped me feel better this evening. I think it might have been that. Felt a bit sleepy during meeting and afterward, do feel a bit better. Could sing without getting lightheaded on the drive home. Idk know if that drink had anything to do with it or not but it’s nice to have some relief.

 

1/22/17

Feel better today than I did Saturday. Slightly absent minded. Occasional pain in left side of brain. Occasional tingling in hands and feet, not too prominent. Stopped Allegra a few weeks ago, I’m not sure what, if anything, that is doing.

 

1/23/18

Especially, tired, weak and shaky today. Physically sensitive. Achy or numbness after prolonged pressure. Mentally, a bit spacey the last few days.

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RachelSusan

Hi David,

 

Ha, I liked your elephant joke. Sometimes we all need a little levity.  Well Done.

 

It sounds like over all you are doing better with some symptoms poking their ugly heads through now and again. Don't loose heart.  Remember that is how it is, good days and bad days. Keep looking at the big picture.  Look at how you were in December. I do believe it is better than December.  I hope it is.

 

Hang in fellow Zoloft sufferer.

 

RS

 

 

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DaveB

Looks like maybe things are starting to settle? I really believe you will find stability real soon, you are probably even closer than you feel you are. 

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David182

Thank you both so much. A little encouragement goes along way. I’m grateful for you both. : )

 

How are you doing?

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2 hours ago, David182 said:

Thank you both so much. A little encouragement goes along way. I’m grateful for you both. : )

 

How are you doing?

 

Doing ok, every-time I feel like I am pulling out of the woods and into more stability, the anxiety flares up again and I feel like I will never get over it and stabilize. Really frustrating! 

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David182

I’m sorry. This roller coaster is taxing and frustrating to say the least. Have you read Hope and Help For Your Nerves by Dr. Claire Weeks? 

 

Having dealt with anxiety and depression for most of my life, (and including this journey with Zoloft) reading this book has offered a lot of help and hope. It lives up to its title! Lol It almost feels like it was written for me, ya know? 

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Thursday I felt a little better. Friday I felt better yet, almost normal at times. I’m not sure if it’s only a window or full on stabilization but it’s progress! 

 

Earlier in the week I seemed to be digressing by increased weakness, tremors, etc and then bam, it started to turn around. 

 

Again, I don’t know how long this will last but it feels mighty good at the moment, it’s encouraging. I want to let you know, things CAN suddenly turn around for the better.

 

One day at a time my friends. You WILL heal. : )

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22 minutes ago, David182 said:

Thursday I felt a little better. Friday I felt better yet, almost normal at times. I’m not sure if it’s only a window or full on stabilization but it’s progress! 

 

Earlier in the week I seemed to be digressing by increased weakness, tremors, etc and then bam, it started to turn around. 

 

Again, I don’t know how long this will last but it feels mighty good at the moment, it’s encouraging. I want to let you know, things CAN suddenly turn around for the better.

 

One day at a time my friends. You WILL heal. : )

 

Awesome Dave, I have been experiencing a lot the same. Not sure if it is a window or stabilizing, but it feels good. Haven't had an anxiety free day, but where my anxiety used to be a 6-7 out of 10 it has been in the 3-4 range the last few days and honestly it feels like an anxiety free day my be just around the corner. I want to congratulate you and echo your sentiments that healing does happen, maybe not as quickly or in the way we think it should, but it does happen. I have been in some REALLY dark places the last year, and if I can get windows like this and feel much more like myself, so can anyone. I truly thought I was broken, I don't feel that way anymore. 

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David182

I’m really glad you’ve have some improvement. We are getting there.

 

I’m still not 100%, my legs are still weak and tremors still present but yes, any improvement is encouraging.

 

I hear you about the dark moments. There’s a slight bit of reservation in talking about or even thinking back to those times but to those who have gone through it, it’s understood. The body and brain are amazing things, they will heal. The patience required for healing is huge sometimes but definitely worth it. , 

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5 hours ago, David182 said:

I’m really glad you’ve have some improvement. We are getting there.

 

I’m still not 100%, my legs are still weak and tremors still present but yes, any improvement is encouraging.

 

I hear you about the dark moments. There’s a slight bit of reservation in talking about or even thinking back to those times but to those who have gone through it, it’s understood. The body and brain are amazing things, they will heal. The patience required for healing is huge sometimes but definitely worth it. , 

 

Oh yeah, like I said my anxiety is still very tough to deal with at times, but I would say I am 50% better, and that 50%is VERY nice!

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David182

From last Thursday to today I seem to have turned a corner in healing. Feeling better but Monday and today have been struggling with nausea. It seems to strike only when I eat and so far more prominent in the morning. Dramamine helps. 

I’m pretty sure I’m not pregnant ; ) lol

 

Ah, next phase of healing I suppose. Trying to stay in peace. Tingling in my hands and feet have gone away with some very slight episodes here and there, which are almost unnoticeable. That’s a positive.

 

I have an appointment with a neurologist text Thursday.

I feel fairly confident this is all related to zoloft but to have a definite “no” that it isn’t  MS or something will bring tremendous relief!

 

How are you Dave and RS?

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RachelSusan

Hi David182,

 

I'm pretty sure you aren't pregnant either, so at least that is one thing we can rule out.  I took Meclizine for the nausea. I believe it is either the exact same thing as Dramamine, or very similar, and yes it does help.

 

I'm getting ready to do another taper in about a week to ten days after being on a two month hold.  The taper symptoms are not nearly as bad as when I went cold turkey, they range from mild to moderate, but still I hate them.  It seems so unfair that every time I taper I go through this.  I will be doing 5%. If it is too unpleasant then the next time I taper I will do something like 2%.  I just have to see how it goes.

 

I am so glad you are feeling better but still the nausea thing really stinks. I say that Zoloft is the gift that keeps on giving.  I say it sarcastically of course. It just seems that right when I am feeling better it always doubles back to give me at least one more gift, a big kick in the pants. I hope it doesn't keep on giving to you, but if it does try to laugh about it like I do and tell yourself that Zoloft is a real giver.

 

RS

 

 

 

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David182

Lol, thank you RS. The gift that keeps on giving, that is a wonderful perspective. : )

 

I wish you the best with your upcoming taper. That has to be so hard to finally feel good and then...here we go again.

 

I hate these symptoms too. I  have been practicing the “float” technique since I learned about it. The idea of ‘suffering = pain multiplied by resistance’ also helps me try and go with the flow. Still hate it but trying to accept.

 

We’re getting closer. One day at a time.

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49 minutes ago, David182 said:

From last Thursday to today I seem to have turned a corner in healing. Feeling better but Monday and today have been struggling with nausea. It seems to strike only when I eat and so far more prominent in the morning. Dramamine helps. 

I’m pretty sure I’m not pregnant ; ) lol

 

Ah, next phase of healing I suppose. Trying to stay in peace. Tingling in my hands and feet have gone away with some very slight episodes here and there, which are almost unnoticeable. That’s a positive.

 

I have an appointment with a neurologist text Thursday.

I feel fairly confident this is all related to zoloft but to have a definite “no” that it isn’t  MS or something will bring tremendous relief!

 

How are you Dave and RS?

 

Hey Dave, I was doing great, seeing some real progress like we talked about last weekend. Got the flu, and have come out of it into a BIG wave. Not sure why, but anxiety has been very high the last 3 days, hoping it is a short lived setback, but it has REALLY sucked! SO happy to see your improvements have stayed, though I am sure the nausea has been super fun to deal with.  

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Hey DaveB,

 

Oh man, I’m sorry you came down with the flu. Eveything’s so much worse with a sensitive nervous system!

 

I am glad you had a good window before hand. They will slowly but surely become longer until that is the new norm (relief!)

 

That’s been on my mind also. Wondering about the set backs. One day I can squat and stand back up without too much hassle or feeling too poorly afterward but  then I do that on other day and it seems to set me back for a littl while. 

 

I think it’s all a matter of the weird back and forth of a healing CNS. Anything can set off symptoms when a wave is approaching, it seems. 

 

I cant help but wonder how much stronger we’ll all be once we are free from our meds. I’m a bit apprehensive about someday being off Zoloft, even though it will be gradual but then again never before have I had to learn to roll with the punches as I have with all of this! Perhaps, we’ll be far more equipped for life and it’s curve balls. 

 

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On 1/20/2018 at 11:32 AM, David182 said:

Thank you RachelSusan.

I’m hopeful it won’t become worse as I taper. I’ll certainly try and be patient as I want to feel better ASAP (don’t we all). 

Gosh I hear ya, feeling good for a bit, on top of the world and then...bleh.

 

I’m trying not to be pessimistic but yet it seems to be best to enjoy what we can, while we can without over-doing it but not let or gaurd down. One day at a time. We will get there. 

 

I agree. Honestly, I believe even terrible things like this are all part of God's plan, and I am thankful for the lessons this whole process has taught me. However, I am ready for school to be out now and for the lessons to be over!

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Feeling crappy today. Anxiety is a bit prominent today as well as feeling in the dumps. Physically: weak, tired, slight tremors but not like before. Legs definitely shaky with force.

 

Scatter-brained today. Eye twitches sometimes, normally once a day in one eye or the other for the last 2-3 days.

Just general malaise at times, kind of hard to describe.

 

Looks like I had a window toward the end of last week / early this week. I’m back in a wave, I don’t like it but now I know what a window is like and am looking forward to more and longer lasting ones. 

 

DaveB, I love how you phrased that! You just put my heart attitude into words.

I also may now have Alice Cooper - School’s Out playing in my head : ) lol

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On 2/2/2018 at 3:22 PM, David182 said:

Feeling crappy today. Anxiety is a bit prominent today as well as feeling in the dumps. Physically: weak, tired, slight tremors but not like before. Legs definitely shaky with force.

 

Scatter-brained today. Eye twitches sometimes, normally once a day in one eye or the other for the last 2-3 days.

Just general malaise at times, kind of hard to describe.

 

Looks like I had a window toward the end of last week / early this week. I’m back in a wave, I don’t like it but now I know what a window is like and am looking forward to more and longer lasting ones. 

 

DaveB, I love how you phrased that! You just put my heart attitude into words.

I also may now have Alice Cooper - School’s Out playing in my head : ) lol

 

Well shoot David, it seems we both had a window at the same time last week, and we both find ourselves in a wave now! It sucks doesn't it? I was hoping to be pulling out of this, but now find myself squarely back at the beginning it seems. 

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nz11

Hi Dave 

Got a spare 10mins?

You might like to consider making a submission to the Scottish govt.

Be awesome if you could 

thanks

nz11

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Haven’t been sleeping as well. The last 3-4 days I wake up around 5:30am and hungry, even though I haven’t changed my diet.

 

Not feeling the best today. Actually feel heavy at times, just like my whole body is heavy. Have tremors with prolonged exertion.

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1 hour ago, David182 said:

Haven’t been sleeping as well. The last 3-4 days I wake up around 5:30am and hungry, even though I haven’t changed my diet.

 

Not feeling the best today. Actually feel heavy at times, just like my whole body is heavy. Have tremors with prolonged exertion.

 

Shoot Dave, just know you have had a window and another one will be coming. The waves make us doubt our progress ever happened, but it did, and it will again. 

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Thank you Dave,

it is discouraging. I haven’t felt this bad in a while. I’m also having borderline blood sugar issues I believe as well as all of these other symptoms coming back.

 

I have definitely made progress but man, I just didn’t expect to slide back this far after 4 months of stabilizing.

 

I also haven’t been sleeping as well so maybe there’s something to that with how bad I felt today. 

 

I dont know...

 

Keep on pushing. Take it one day at a time. 

God will not leave us nor forsake us. 

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On 2/3/2018 at 7:56 PM, nz11 said:

Hi Dave 

Got a spare 10mins?

You might like to consider making a submission to the Scottish govt.

Be awesome if you could 

thanks

nz11

You’ve asked everyone but me. 

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David182

Saw a neurologist today.

 

Had a good thorough exam and I definitely do not have any neurological problems (not MS or anything like it). 

A matter of the Zoloft changes and it's side effects. Need to allow time to pass for everything to level out and also ease back into exercising.

They dr.s were excellent!

Thanking God. So relieved. 

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48 minutes ago, David182 said:

Saw a neurologist today.

 

Had a good thorough exam and I definitely do not have any neurological problems (not MS or anything like it). 

A matter of the Zoloft changes and it's side effects. Need to allow time to pass for everything to level out and also ease back into exercising.

They dr.s were excellent!

Thanking God. So relieved. 

 

That is great David, at least you know for sure what you are dealing with. How are you feeling? Do you still have anxiety and early morning cortisol spikes? or has that calmed down for you?

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The morning anxiety is very mellow but there. Maybe a 1 or 2 out of 10.

It was at a 6 or so when at 25mg.

 

The nausea seems to be an every other day affair right now. Not crippling just unpleasant. Dizziness also.

 

last night I had more numbness (brought on by applied pressure) issues and the fatigue was unreal!!

 

I slept like the dead so that was good. 

I think I’m going to be doing better (heading forward) with the peace I gained today. 

 

How about you Dave? Any easing of symptoms? How’s your sleep been lately?

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26 minutes ago, David182 said:

The morning anxiety is very mellow but there. Maybe a 1 or 2 out of 10.

It was at a 6 or so when at 25mg.

 

The nausea seems to be an every other day affair right now. Not crippling just unpleasant. Dizziness also.

 

last night I had more numbness (brought on by applied pressure) issues and the fatigue was unreal!!

 

I slept like the dead so that was good. 

I think I’m going to be doing better (heading forward) with the peace I gained today. 

 

How about you Dave? Any easing of symptoms? How’s your sleep been lately?

 

That is good you have had such improvements in your morning anxiety. That is still my worst symptom. Many others have faded, but this one still gets me pretty good every morning. Sleep is good (maybe cause of the Zyprexa?) but I wake about 20-30 munites before I need to and the anxiety is pretty tough to deal with. Good news is I have settled into a pattern (a weird one) where the anxiety abates at about 10AM, then comes back for a visit around 1-2PM, before reducing again in the evening. Process is taking much too long for my liking, but I am seeing improvements. 

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I'm glad your seeing improvement. Man, that's interesting such a pattern has developed, though I'm sorry the anxiety isn't decreasing more and sooner.

Do you think magnesium would help? Taking a supplement or eating almonds around 1pm?

I take magnesium with milk in the morning and I think it helps (at night before bed also).

 

How has your exercise routine been lately?

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1 hour ago, David182 said:

I'm glad your seeing improvement. Man, that's interesting such a pattern has developed, though I'm sorry the anxiety isn't decreasing more and sooner.

Do you think magnesium would help? Taking a supplement or eating almonds around 1pm?

I take magnesium with milk in the morning and I think it helps (at night before bed also).

 

How has your exercise routine been lately?

 

I take 250 mgs of magnesium citrate in the mornings. Maybe that is what helps with cortisol mornings as my late morning good spell is after I have taken multivitamin, magnesium, fish oil, and vitamin D. I have thought of adding kore magnesium, but IBS has been a recurring symptom for me and I haven’t wanted to make it worse. Might be worth a shot though. I do an OrangeTheroy workout class twice a week, it is an awesome workout, but I have tried to not go overboard lately.

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Oh yes, with IBS keeping a balance would be pretty important. I’m glad your able to work out. I remember reading m that it can go either way for you (helping or worsening symptoms) but it must help with maintaining physical health/strength so that’s a plus. 

 

I keep thinking about how those 1-2pm anxiety issues might be tamed. Perhaps a carb dense (more serotonin) meal around noon / 12:30pm would help stave off the anxiety? Through in some turkey for triptophan? Some believe certain foods help with serotonin production while others don’t. I do. I tend to feel better after my afternoon yogurt and turkey sandwhich and have noticed differences on many other occasions.

Idk...I wish I had the immediate solution for ya.

 

My mother has been on 25mg of Zoloft for 2 years and has tried numerous times to stop. She’d drop the dose by half and sure enough within a week she’d have to get back up. 

 

This most recent attempt (I’m far more knowledgeable to help these days) she tried cutting down by 20% by suggestion of her PCP. I was skeptical and told her about the 10% method. I supported her but gave her a loving warning that week 3 is normally when all hell breaks loose.

...and that came true.

 

Her anxiety and fatigue have been through the roof this week. I’ve been trying to help her with all I’ve learned on here and in my own journey. She is a beyond amazing person and I wish she wasn’t going through this but I’m also grateful to be able to help with all I’ve learned.

 

She reinstated to 25mg. It’ll take a little while but min confident she’ll level out before long.

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On 2/10/2018 at 8:37 AM, David182 said:

Oh yes, with IBS keeping a balance would be pretty important. I’m glad your able to work out. I remember reading m that it can go either way for you (helping or worsening symptoms) but it must help with maintaining physical health/strength so that’s a plus. 

 

I keep thinking about how those 1-2pm anxiety issues might be tamed. Perhaps a carb dense (more serotonin) meal around noon / 12:30pm would help stave off the anxiety? Through in some turkey for triptophan? Some believe certain foods help with serotonin production while others don’t. I do. I tend to feel better after my afternoon yogurt and turkey sandwhich and have noticed differences on many other occasions.

Idk...I wish I had the immediate solution for ya.

 

My mother has been on 25mg of Zoloft for 2 years and has tried numerous times to stop. She’d drop the dose by half and sure enough within a week she’d have to get back up. 

 

This most recent attempt (I’m far more knowledgeable to help these days) she tried cutting down by 20% by suggestion of her PCP. I was skeptical and told her about the 10% method. I supported her but gave her a loving warning that week 3 is normally when all hell breaks loose.

...and that came true.

 

Her anxiety and fatigue have been through the roof this week. I’ve been trying to help her with all I’ve learned on here and in my own journey. She is a beyond amazing person and I wish she wasn’t going through this but I’m also grateful to be able to help with all I’ve learned.

 

She reinstated to 25mg. It’ll take a little while but min confident she’ll level out before long.

 

Haven't heard from you for a bit, how are you David?

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