Spice81 Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share Posted January 6, 2018 I really do think I was better on fluoxetine than venlafaxine I know it’s only been 4 weeks but doesn’t seem to be working at all Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted January 6, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 6, 2018 Please see Alto's comment from a couple of weeks ago: On 12/27/2017 at 8:20 PM, Altostrata said: Even though you are taking venlafaxine, it sounds like you have withdrawal symptoms from Prozac. To stop the withdrawal symptoms. I would go back to Prozac. However, having had this adverse reaction, your system may be sensitive to it now, and you might not be able to tolerate the dosage you had before. I suggest you take perhaps a quarter of the Prozac dosage you took before, the switching method is described here The Prozac switch or "bridging" with Prozac You might find that nothing works like it used to, because your nervous system has been sensitized. As this is a site for going off drugs, I can't help you substitute one drug for another. Let us know if you want to go off completely. Good luck. Link to comment
Spice81 Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share Posted January 6, 2018 So for the bridging how many mgs of fluoxetine do you recommend I start taking ? I am on 75mg of venlafaxine now and used to be on 20mg of fluoxetine!! if starting the fluoxetine again with what ever dose do I still take 75mg of venlafaxine also ? Please help Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted January 6, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 6, 2018 Hi, Spice. I'm not very familiar with the Prozac bridge, so I've already asked the other mods for feedback. Link to comment
Spice81 Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share Posted January 6, 2018 Thanks just need to know if I continue 75mg venlafaxine and introduce fluoxetine back in to my system or completely drop or half The venlafaxine and introduce the fluoxetine back in if that makes sense 75mg venlafaxine and 5ml of fluoxetine Or 37.5mg venlafaxine and 5ml of fluoxetine or 0 venlafaxine and 5ml of fluoxetine Or 75mg venlafaxine and 20mg fluoxetine Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus scallywag Posted January 7, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 7, 2018 A pharmacist can probably answer your question about approximately equivalent doses of venlafaxine and fluoxetine (prozac). Because fluoxetine was the first SSRI on the market, almost all drugs have been compared to it. A quick web search on "equivalent dose venlafaxine fluoxetine" resulted in a link to this meta-study (collection of studies) comparing numerous anti-depressants to fluoxetine. The dose the researchers provide could serve as a starting point with your doctor or pharmacist. Quote RESULTS: We included 83 studies (14 131 participants). In the primary analysis, fluoxetine 40mg/day was equivalent to paroxetine dosage of 34.0mg/day, ... list deleted for readability and brevity venlafaxine 149.4mg/day. Sensitivity analyses corroborated the results except for doxepin. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.1997-1999 Effexor; 2002-2005 Effexor XR 37.5 mg linear taper, dropping same #beads/week with bad results Cymbalta 60 mg 2012 - 2015; 2016: 20 mg to 7 mg exact doses and dates in this post; 2017: 6.3 mg to 0.0 mg Aug. 12; details here scallywag's IntroductionOnline spreadsheet for dose taper calculations and nz11's THE WORKS spreadsheet Link to comment
Spice81 Posted January 7, 2018 Author Share Posted January 7, 2018 I’ve taken 5mg fluoxetine as well as my 75mg of venlafaxine so will see how that goes I’ve got a doc appointment tomorrow so will ask what will be best to do. Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Spice81 Posted January 7, 2018 Author Share Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) Has anyone done the bridge from venlafaxine to fluoxetine? I’m curious as I’m on 75mg venlafaxine which is the equivalent to 40mg fluoxetine but when I used to be on fluoxetine I was only on 20mg so would like to know if anyone has done it before and what your doses etc were thanks Edited January 7, 2018 by scallywag merged topics Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Spice81 Posted January 7, 2018 Author Share Posted January 7, 2018 7/1/2018 8am 75mg venlafaxine mueslie and banana breakfast felt shaky and anxious 10am 1mg lorazepam 12pm two bit of toast 2 eggs still felt crap and anxious 2pm 5mg fluoxetine 3pm starting to feel a bit better 7pm dinner chicken enchiladas magnesium 400mg feeling little better still and will take my quatiapine 25mg at 8pm-8.30 Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Spice81 Posted January 7, 2018 Author Share Posted January 7, 2018 I’m so messed up with all these drug changes I don’t know what to do??? Please somebody help i want to get off this venlafaxine but don’t know what mg I should be taking of the fluoxetine or the venlafaxine can somebody please help I took 75mg of venlafaxine this morning and 5mg of the fluoxetine I feel absolutely horrible now so anxious depressed and alone I’m so scared Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted January 8, 2018 Administrator Share Posted January 8, 2018 Spice, you would do what's called a cross-taper. It is highly possible your doctor doesn't know how to do this. It sounds like you already started 5mg fluoxetine, although my last suggestion was 2mg. To cross-taper, you would take this for 4 days to let it get to peak effect, then start reducing the venlafaxine. I would start with a 25% reduction of venlafaxine, probably reducing 25% per week. Be prepared for odd feelings as you change your drug mix. When you say you feel "horrible, anxious, depressed", what do you mean? What symptoms do you have at what time of day? It's very important you keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. Why are you taking lorazepam in the morning? We need to know EXACTLY when you take Prozac, Effexor, lorazepam and quetiapine, and how much. Do you take quetiapine every night? For how long have you been doing this? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Spice81 Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 I take my 75mg venlafaxine at 8am 5mg of fluoxetine at 8am breakfast after that 10am lorazepam 1mg to take the edge off the shaking and anxious feeling i feel anxious all day and agitated and have the shakes occasionally pins and needles dinner around 6-6.30. 8pm I take my 25mg quatiapine and have done for nearly 3 months on that.to sleep I have tried without it but can’t sleep Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Spice81 Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 I think the venlafaxine I’m on doesn’t have beads ??? I’ll check soon Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Spice81 Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 8/1/2018 8am 75mg venlafaxine 8am 5mg fluoxetine muesli banana 10am 1mg lorazepam 4pm 1mg lorazepam 6.30 pizza 8pm quatiapine quite a a rough day yesterday shaking feeling anxious went to my doctor he said to carry on with the 75mg and take 2 lorazepam if I need to yesterday I needed to slept average last night took agars to actually get to sleep then woke about 6am off to my Osteopath today see what he can do. my urinating is all over the show need to go all the time. Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted January 9, 2018 Administrator Share Posted January 9, 2018 Has your symptom pattern changed since you started fluoxetine? When does the shaking and "feeling anxious" start in the morning? Does it start before or after you take your drugs in the morning? Does it stop after you take lorazepam? Does it start again in the evening? If so, what time in the evening? How often are you urinating? Do you urinate at night? We need more detail about when you have symptoms. What is agars? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Spice81 Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 Ages... I’m busting to go in the morning I drink a lot of water and need to go all the time... i didn’t have the 5mg of fluoxetine today as my doc said just stay with the venlafaxine for now I feel ok today just urinate a lot I pretty much feel shaky and anxious the whole day no specific times Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Spice81 Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 If anything it was worst with the fluoxetine I feel.. so will stick with he venlafaxine for another month and see where it goes I guess ?? My doc won’t budge on it Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Spice81 Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 9/1/2018 8am 75mg venlafaxine bacon egg pie breakfast and a coffe for the first time in ages 10am 1mg lorazepam 12pm lunch 4 slices pizza 7pm dinner curry and rice 8pm will take my quatiapine felt not not too bad today not fixed but slightly better not so anxious or depressed tomorrow is another day. still urinating lots i used to be able to nap a lot on fluoxetine which was good but now I find if I try and nap I can’t. Really sucks as I actually enjoy having an afternoon nap. didnt need the lorazepam this afternoon which was good. Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
nz11 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 7 hours ago, Spice81 said: My doc won’t budge on it Its been said that patienthood is a difficult habit to break . Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment
Spice81 Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 I want to get of the quatiapine can someone help with this please Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted January 9, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Spice81 said: I want to get of the quatiapine can someone help with this please Please don't start reducing the quetiapine yet, Spice. It's best to only make one drug change at a time and you just made a change in your antidepressant. Please see: The rule of 3KIS: Keep it simple. Keep it slow. Keep it stable. Per your comment below, it's clear the quetiapine is helping you sleep. On 12/29/2017 at 11:31 PM, Spice81 said: at night because I can’t sleep I take 25mg of quatiapine which calms me down and gives me some sleep. Link to comment
Spice81 Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 I’m just sick of taking so many drugs it’s messing with my body and life Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Spice81 Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 I’ve really had it with this venlafaxine if anything I’m worst I’ve been on 75 mg go about 5-6 weeks how do you suggest I go about getting off it as I haven’t been on it that long ? Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
nz11 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 On 1/8/2018 at 4:38 PM, Altostrata said: Spice, you would do what's called a cross-taper. It is highly possible your doctor doesn't know how to do this. It sounds like you already started 5mg fluoxetine, although my last suggestion was 2mg. To cross-taper, you would take this for 4 days to let it get to peak effect, then start reducing the venlafaxine. I would start with a 25% reduction of venlafaxine, probably reducing 25% per week. Be prepared for odd feelings as you change your drug mix. When you say you feel "horrible, anxious, depressed", what do you mean? What symptoms do you have at what time of day? It's very important you keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. Why are you taking lorazepam in the morning? We need to know EXACTLY when you take Prozac, Effexor, lorazepam and quetiapine, and how much. Do you take quetiapine every night? For how long have you been doing this? This. Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment
Spice81 Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 25mg of quietiapine at night for around 3 months now. i take lorazepam 1mg at around 10am because I feel yuck anxious etc.have been taking it about 2 months Since I stopped the fluoxetine and citalapram I’ve felt nauseous and shaky and anxious most of the day and night I feel a little better after quatiapine Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted January 19, 2018 Administrator Share Posted January 19, 2018 You should assume that you are dependent on quetiapine and lorazepam and not make any sudden changes in either of them. Please keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. This will be important in deciding what to reduce. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Spice81 Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 Hi all I haven’t been here for a long time I’ve been a mess for a year now.. so I’ve managed to get off the venlafaxine and am now taking 20mg fluoxetine and 1mg lorazepam in the morning and 1mg of lorazepam about 2pm as my anxiety is still through the roof with all my physical symptoms. ive been back on the fluoxetine for nearly 2 weeks and finding it really hard to function. any suggestions on what I should do ? My anxiety is 24/7 due to physical symptoms but I just don’t know what to do now ? i also take zopiclone at night as I’m unable to sleep . Please help Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 19, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) I've moved your post to your Intro topic, which is the place to post about your own situation. Please provide a daily symptom pattern. This can help the mods assess your situation and give them an idea of what might be the best way to proceed. On 1/19/2018 at 2:42 PM, Altostrata said: Please keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. Please also update your drug signature. Thank you. Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature Edited August 19, 2018 by ChessieCat edited to add way to keep symptoms * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Spice81 Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 Hi I stopped venlafaxine about 5 weeks ago and my anxiety is through the roof so many side effects that I’m taking lorazepam 1mg twice a day Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 19, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 19, 2018 I've moved the above post to your Intro topic. Please use your Intro topic, instead of creating new topics. Thank you. Please update your drug signature. Please put the dates and doses for venlafaxine and the same information for fluoxetine. We need to have this information so we can assist you. Please also provide your daily symptoms pattern. This information can sometimes help the mods work out what is causing the issue/s. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 19, 2018 Administrator Share Posted August 19, 2018 Hello, Spice. When did the anxiety symptom start? Is it better or worse at any particular time of day? What is your daily symptom pattern? Please keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. Use a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom, drug and dosage) on the right. When did you increase lorazepam to 1mg twice a day? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Spice81 Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 My anxiety hasn’t stopped since I first joined this age I’ll do a drug signature later but I’m now off the venlafaxine,quetiapine and am 2 weeks back on fluoxetine 20mg ive been off the venlafaxine for around 5 weeks now I’ve been taking the lorazepam in the morning with my fluoxetine and at 2 pm for around 2 weeks now but when I was on venlafaxine I would take a lorazepam 1mg in the morning with it. i am an absolute mess meds wise I’ve been on and come off so many things in the last year I’m in a constant spin I just don’t know what to do anymore. i feel anxious 24/7 scared to do anything just the feeling of dread all the time. i feel nauseous every morning when I wake up and gag and vomit up clear mucus stuff I get so worked up that it becomes normal and I hate it. i want to live but this is horrible all I want to do is sleep to get away from feeling like this but because I have taken so many different drugs over the last year I can’t even sleep so I just lay here feeling like crap in a panicked state. Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 19, 2018 Administrator Share Posted August 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Spice81 said: I’ve been taking the lorazepam in the morning with my fluoxetine and at 2 pm for around 2 weeks now but when I was on venlafaxine I would take a lorazepam 1mg in the morning with it. Have your symptoms gotten better or worse since you increased lorazepam? Why do you take lorazepam at the same time as venlafaxine in the morning? When did you start having trouble sleeping? What is your sleep pattern? What times of day do you take your drugs, and their dosages? Please do not make any changes in your drugs while we figure this out. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Spice81 Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 I find the lorazepam lets me atleast be able to live and move etc it really calms me in the arvo and at night. i started taking it with venlafaxine in the morning because I felt so horrible every morning but when I stopped the venlafaxine 5 weeks ago I also stopped the lorazepam with it and around 2 weeks prior to stopping them both I stopped taking quetiapine 50mg at night and now take zopiclone to sleep. so all I’m taking now is fluoxetine 20mg and lorazepam 1mg in the morning then around 1pm lorazepam 1mg and at night around 7-7.30 a zopiclone to sleep Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Spice81 Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 I’m sorry this is a mess and I’ve done it all so wrong I’m so scared I’ll never feel rite Fluoxetine 20mg January 2011-October 2017 The straight swap to citalapram 20mg October 2017 lorazepam 1mg October 2017 quatiapan 25mg June 2017 for sleep straight swap from citalapram to venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg then upped to 75mg a week later Stopped quetiapine may 28 2018 and changed to zopiclone Started venlafaxine December 5 at 37.5mg and upped dosage reaching 150mg Reduced venlafaxine over a one month period and stopped around June 15 2018 also stoped the lorazepam June 15 2018 started 20mg fluoxetine 7th August 2018 witg 1mg lorazepam every morning and at around 1-2pm Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted August 19, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 19, 2018 Hi Spice, Just wanted to drop by and say I’m so sorry you’re in this mess. Yes, chopping n changing meds certainly makes our systems go haywire. Please don’t make anymore changes until the mods get back to you. You will eventually stabilise but it’s not a good idea to keep changing your meds. Wishing you all the best💚 Been on APs, benzos, ADs and opiates, for chronic pain. Had Akathisia in the past that made me suicidal. Still on Seroquel. 2019:➡️ March10=7.25mg ✔️ April17=7.0✔️ June5=6.75✔️ July14=6.50✔️ Aug28=6.25✔️ Oct10=6.20 ✔️ Oct21=6.0✔️ Dec16=5.80 ✔️ 2020➡️ Jan 21=5.60 ✔️ April2=5.40 ✔️ May29=5.20 ✔️ Aug14= 5.0 ✔️Sep29=4.80✔️2021➡️ Jan31=4.60 mg✔️ April24=4.40mg✔️Jul17=4.30mg ✔️ Aug 28=4.20 ✔️ Oct 11=4.15✔️Nov1=4.10 ✔️ Nov21= 4.05✔️ Dec13= 4mg ✔️2022 ➡️ Jan8=3.95✔️ Jan31=3.90✔️ March2=3.85 ✔️ April4=3.80 ✔️ June16=3.75✔️ July26=3.70✔️ Sep2=3.65✔️ Oct21=3.60 ✔️ Dec8=3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️ March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
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