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8 hours ago, Rosetta said:

Thanks, everyone.  

 

Yesterday, the anxiety was better in the late afternoon and we went to my MIL's for my daughter's actual birthday.  I felt OK.  

 

Today was easier overall.  It started off bad.  I had 3 cortisol spikes and really awful anxiety before I got up.  Sleep was broken, but I didn't suffer the same degree of anxiety as the night before until the cortisol spikes started.  Twice I fell back asleep after cortisol, but the third time I gave up.  

 

I felt terrible this morning, but I went out.  I took my daughter to school, went to breakfast and then to the zoo.  My husband's theory is that if I don't get a walk and sunlight, I have a bad day.  I feel I need rest, but I guess that's just not in the cards.   I did have an okay day.  My daughter's class play was tonight.  It was cute.  Now I'm home and I'm not as exhausted as I expected to be from going all day long.   Maybe I'm going to have to push myself everyday with no break.  I don't like that idea, but if it's the only way to avoid the Hell of yesterday?   (Assuming I have that option.)

 

Thank you all for your kind words about yesterday.  I'm grateful.  They helped me a lot.

 

Rosetta

Hi rosetta ,I'm also impressed how much you did here  ,all this activity would rebound and have an affect in days to come ,so if you make a note of what you did and then when you get symptoms you can recognise were and why you mite have symptoms ,we think its the night after doing things but its a lot further down the line ,I'm by no means suggesting you don't do things but making a note of them and understanding it can help .

Take care .

 

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Today has not been fun.  It is Day 32.  April 30 was day 29.  Still no Mother Nature.  

 

Last night, I had insomnia, but I didn't feel as much anxiety or fear or sadness as two nights before.  There was no cortisol spike, but there was anxiety on waking.  It was mild to moderate.

 

I volunteered at the school.  I didn't want to, but I did.  We have only 21 days of school left.  I'll probably have two, possibly three more Thursdays to volunteer.  On the way home I cried.  It wasn't due to anxiety.  It was sadness.  I wasn't feeling sad about anything in particular, not even the end of First Grade.  It was just an emotion caused by WD, I believe.  I'm trying to see this as positive.  Maybe my brain is sorting itself out?  But it goes overboard.  That feeling of intense grief was present for a few hours.  Oh, how I hate that feeling.

 

I also felt sleepy at the same time.  I'm hoping this is also a good sign.  Sleeping during the day hasn't been possible very often since WD hit.

 

I never actually napped.  Each time I nodded off, I woke up again pretty quick.  The same show was on Netflix each time.  I wish could nap deeply and wake up feeling rested.  Don't we all?  After my daughter came home from school, I couldn't nod off again more than once. 

 

I'm staying home from Thurs gymnastics class.  I stayed home from Monday's class, too.  I'm sad to miss it, but I think I need to slow down.  I've been really pushing myself lately.   

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Hi Rosetta,

I wanted to thank you for coming over and offering support on my thread.  I really appreciate it.

 I see you are going through a difficult wave as well and wanted to offer you my support.  I know how it is to be a mom and feeling like you are missing out on enjoying time with your kids.  We have to do the best we can in the moment.  I try to hide this from my kids the best I can, but the other day I broke down crying because it is just too much to take sometimes.  I think it’s okay for our kids to see we are human and have struggles in our life.  I just don’t want them to have to worry about me.  

I hope and pray this all passes soon for the both of us so we can go on being the best moms we can be and enjoy every moment of it.😊

Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016

I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize.

Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016

Paxil December 2016 to present.  Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders.  Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg.

 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm.  

July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram

July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram 

July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram 

July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram 

August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3

August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram

Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night.

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Hi Rosetta,

I think your idea to take your foot off the gas pedal a bit is a good one....you have been pushing a lot lately, for good reason but non the less taxing for your 

system physically and emotionally sounded like.  Hope the rest brings some relief for you Rosetta.  Take care of you!!

-Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016

-Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. 

-November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17,     

-20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day

-Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17

-Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg  5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded  

-4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19

-July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, 

-7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25

-1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg,

  1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit  1/week,Reacted Mag prn

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Thank you @Hazel so much!  Thank you @Rabe, too!  

 

It's Day 33.  

 

I had a dream this morning about being normal and dealing with adversity without fear.  I woke up feeling normal for a moment, but that was quickly ruined.  My daughter decided to take something to school that I don't want her to damage or lose.  It's very hard to let her do this, and I'm very anxious about it.  It's just a Lego thing, but it was expensive, and I don't want anything to happen to it.  It can't be replaced.  Otherwise, she wouldn't learn her lesson.  So, I'm a ball of nerves.  It's all because of WD I'm sure.  So much of my anxiety is focused on my daughter.

 

I slept as I usually do -- a couple of stints of insomnia -- feeling sad and frustrated with my life.  I needed to heat the shoulder wrap twice to get back to sleep.  It was nice to have a dream about being normal.

 

I suppose my hormones will change soon.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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7 hours ago, Rosetta said:

Thank you @Hazel so much!  Thank you @Rabe, too!  

 

It's Day 33.  

 

I had a dream this morning about being normal and dealing with adversity without fear.  I woke up feeling normal for a moment, but that was quickly ruined.  My daughter decided to take something to school that I don't want her to damage or lose.  It's very hard to let her do this, and I'm very anxious about it.  It's just a Lego thing, but it was expensive, and I don't want anything to happen to it.  It can't be replaced.  Otherwise, she wouldn't learn her lesson.  So, I'm a ball of nerves.  It's all because of WD I'm sure.  So much of my anxiety is focused on my daughter.

 

I slept as I usually do -- a couple of stints of insomnia -- feeling sad and frustrated with my life.  I needed to heat the shoulder wrap twice to get back to sleep.  It was nice to have a dream about being normal.

 

I suppose my hormones will change soon.

 

Hi Rosetta, 

That’s nice you had a dream about feeling normal. It will happen one of these days. It might take a long time for many of us but we will eventually get there.

 

Its amazing how our emotions are so heightened and every little thing seems overwhelming. I’m sorry you’re a ball of nerves at the moment.

 

I hope your hormones change soon too and your symptoms are a little less intense.

 

sending hugs🤗

 

 

Seroquel. 2019:➡️ From 7.25mg to 5.80mg✔️ 2020➡️From 5.60 to 4.80✔️ 2021➡️From 4.60 to 4.0✔️ 2022➡️From 3.95 to 3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️
2024➡️Jan15=3.20✔️ Feb19=3.15✔️ March26=3.10✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor.

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Yes @Carmie I'm feeling better.  I had signs that the hormones are changing today.  Day 33 -- this is really a long cycle this time!

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Oh Rosetta what a lovely dream...and I just want to say that I think you are a very lovely vision of normal....kind, caring, compassionate, honest, hold friends and family dear...compare to you I've known lots of 'non normal' people along the way.  Thinking about you!

 

-Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016

-Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. 

-November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17,     

-20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day

-Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17

-Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg  5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded  

-4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19

-July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, 

-7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25

-1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg,

  1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit  1/week,Reacted Mag prn

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In the end, I was able to pick my daughter up from school and play Lego dragons with her.  It's so rare that I can play with my daughter.  So, this was a good day after all.

 

I'm ok tonight.  It's almost always better at night and sometimes by late afternoon.  I have to remember that. We went to dinner, and now it's time for bed.  RLS has not been a problem at night lately.  I have just the slightest physical anxiety about lying down.  I didn't get to walk in my park today.  The Renaissance Faire people take it over four weekends per year, and they are camping there now.  I'm going to have some magnesium.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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2 minutes ago, Rosetta said:

In the end, I was able to pick my daughter up from school and play Lego dragons with her.  It's so rare that I can play with my daughter.  So, this was a good day after all.

Wonderful Rosetta!  :) 

-1/06 - 3/07 Cymbalta. Fast taper (essentially CT); withdrawal symptoms after 4 mos (didn't realize was WD)

-10/07: 100 mg Zoloft; 1 mg Klonopin - tapered off Klonopin after 4 mos. Several unsuccessful slow tapers of Zoloft; went up and down in dose a lot

-Spring 2013 back on 1 mg Klonopin to counter WD symptoms; switched over 5-6 mos from Zoloft to 35 mg citalopram
-Two attempts at slow tapering citalopram, always increased dose due to WD; also increased Klonopin to 1.25 mg in 2014, then to 1.5 mg in 2015

-8/17-9/17: After holding one year at 20 mg, feeling withdrawal symptoms due to stress - slowly increased to 25 mg. No change in symptoms after 6 months (? tolerance ?)  - decided to start citalopram taper February 2018 (still on Klonopin 1.5 mg).

Supplements: fish oil; magnesium; vitamin D3; curcumin

Citalopram taper:  2/2018 - 12/2019: 25 mg - 11.03 mg I 2020: 10.89 mg - 7.9 mg I 2021: 7.8 mg - 5.26 mg I 2022: 5.2 mg - 3.36 mg I 2023: 3.3 mg - 1.47 mg 2024: 1/5/24: 1.44 mg; 1/19/24: 1.40 mg; 1/26/24: 1.37 mg; 2/2/24: 1.34 mg; 2/9/24: 1.31 mg; 2/23/24: 1.28 mg; 3/1/24: 1.25 mg; 3/8/24: 1.22 mg; 3/15/24: 1.19 mg; 3/29/24: 1.17 mg; 4/5/24: 1.14 mg; 4/13/24: 1.11 mg

 

 

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Day 34!!! (Not sure it's ever been this long.)

 

Broken sleep as usual.  Worries while awake.  Woke up early at weekday time 6:45.

 

No obvious cortisol spike.  Maybe every time I wake after about 4:00 am it's some time of cortisol spike.

 

Not too anxious this morning.  Tired.  Lack of appetite.  

 

When my daughter's friend leaves I'll go somewhere.  It's hot today - high 80s.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Today was uncomfortable, but it wasn't bad.  We ended up staying home, but I sat outside in the morning and again after the heat let up.   I was anxious, but I kept trying to distract.  In the morning, I watched videos with my daughter.  Then, her friend came to play, and I watched Netflix. 

 

I tried to take a nap, but I couldn't.  I may have fallen asleep, but only for very short periods, and I woke up worried and upset and ruminating just like I do in the night.  So, no nap.  

 

When the heat ended, my daughter and I played a board game outside.  

 

I wish I taken a walk today.  I did a little stretching.

 

Thanks for dropping by, @wantrelief

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Hi Rosetta,  you are such an inspiration....on another difficult day you still, once again, managed to tuck gently some wonderful moments in your heart!  I am so happy you had a good day with your daughter!  

DO you have trouble with the heat?  I so love the sun but when it is in 70's I have to stay away because of the electrolytes and feeling so awful.  But I did sit in the grass with my granddaughter today early evening...so grateful!  Take care!  Hope tomorrow is good to you!

-Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016

-Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. 

-November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17,     

-20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day

-Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17

-Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg  5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded  

-4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19

-July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, 

-7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25

-1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg,

  1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit  1/week,Reacted Mag prn

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I want to describe my early mornings and find out if anyone else can relate.  This process is becoming an every night thing whereas it used to be only occasional.  I think it's tied to my body's hormones when my cycle is trying to get started.  This month that time period has been dragging out for a long while.

 

Early in the morning I wake up and realize I'm anxious.  Then, I start thinking about losing things: pictures of people I love, jewelry that's sentimental, and if I can't control it, I worry about losing people -- my daughter and my husband.  I've lost some jewelry in this house and pictures, too.  A lot of pictures are digital, and I worry they will become inaccessible.  I am very, very (neuro-emotion) upset about this, but it's going to be a while before I can clear out enough stuff to find jewelry.  Normally, I would do the decluttering to find it and be done with it, but it's a big job and when I do a little I have a meltdown.  So, I'm trying to accept that in time I'll do that -- not now.

 

It's this rumination, unwanted thoughts, worries, etc. that I have to endure until I get better.  I try to ignore these thoughts, breathe, and go back to sleep.  If I can't, I start to despair about getting my cog function back in a way that will allow me to organize my house, go grocery shopping, etc.. My mind is very jumbled and I think I'm having Akathisia of the mind to a greater degree these days.

 

In order to stop the spiral, I tell myself: You are safe, you are loved, your things are here somewhere, you have time to find them, you will get well and find them, etc.. Then, I have a hot flash!  My body overheats, and I have to throw all the covers off.  Soon after I start to get cold.  I bundle back up and have chills.  When I fall back asleep the next thing I know I'm awake, anxious, and the whole process begins again.

 

This happened at least 4 times this morning.  The only way I know to stop it is to get out of bed.  I don't want to do that at 2 or 3 or 4 or even 5 am because sometimes, I fall back asleep, and don't have 3 or 4 of these episodes, but only 2 -- one when I wake up at about 6 or 6:30.  

 

I'm on day 35 with no period.  Does this sound like the symptoms of menopause?  Could it be getting more frequent these past few weeks because of a change in my cycle?

 

I'm grasping here for something -- I don't know what -- as I'm not sure how anything will change even if someone says, yes, that's menopause.  (I'm sure WD has something to do with it, too.)

 

I'm suffering emotionally to a great degree in the early mornings.  I used to be able to calm my anxiety -- before I quit Zoloft -- by taking care of the task that was worrying me.  What a tough Catch 22.

 

Rosetta

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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4 minutes ago, Rosetta said:

I want to describe my early mornings and find out if anyone else can relate.  This process is becoming an every night thing whereas it used to be only occasional.  I think it's tied to my body's hormones when my cycle is trying to get started.  This month that time period has been dragging out for a long while.

 

Early in the morning I wake up and realize I'm anxious.  Then, I start thinking about losing things: pictures of people I love, jewelry that's sentimental, and if I can't control it, I worry about losing people -- my daughter and my husband.  I've lost some jewelry in this house and pictures, too.  A lot of pictures are digital, and I worry they will become inaccessible.  I am very, very (neuro-emotion) upset about this, but it's going to be a while before I can clear out enough stuff to find jewelry.  Normally, I would do the decluttering to find it and be done with it, but it's a big job and when I do a little I have a meltdown.  So, I'm trying to accept that in time I'll do that -- not now.

 

It's this rumination, unwanted thoughts, worries, etc. that I have to endure until I get better.  I try to ignore these thoughts, breathe, and go back to sleep.  If I can't, I start to despair about getting my cog function back in a way that will allow me to organize my house, go grocery shopping, etc.. My mind is very jumbled and I think I'm having Akathisia of the mind to a greater degree these days.

 

In order to stop the spiral, I tell myself: You are safe, you are loved, your things are here somewhere, you have time to find them, you will get well and find them, etc.. Then, I have a hot flash!  My body overheats, and I have to throw all the covers off.  Soon after I start to get cold.  I bundle back up and have chills.  When I fall back asleep the next thing I know I'm awake, anxious, and the whole process begins again.

 

This happened at least 4 times this morning.  The only way I know to stop it is to get out of bed.  I don't want to do that at 2 or 3 or 4 or even 5 am because sometimes, I fall back asleep, and don't have 3 or 4 of these episodes, but only 2 -- one when I wake up at about 6 or 6:30.  

 

I'm on day 35 with no period.  Does this sound like the symptoms of menopause?  Could it be getting more frequent these past few weeks because of a change in my cycle?

 

I'm grasping here for something -- I don't know what -- as I'm not sure how anything will change even if someone says, yes, that's menopause.  (I'm sure WD has something to do with it, too.)

 

I'm suffering emotionally to a great degree in the early mornings.  I used to be able to calm my anxiety -- before I quit Zoloft -- by taking care of the task that was worrying me.  What a tough Catch 22.

 

Rosetta

Hi Rosetta.

I don’t have exactly what you are describing, but my anxiety is definitely higher in the morning.  If I do sleep, I am usually up anywhere between 1-3 am with high anxiety that rarely lets me get back to sleep.  I also have worse symptoms right before my period and into the first couple of days of my cycle.  I get scared now for that “time of the month” to come. 

Anyway, I just wanted to let you know I understand and am here for you.

 

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I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize.

Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016

Paxil December 2016 to present.  Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders.  Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg.

 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm.  

July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram

July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram 

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July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram 

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7 hours ago, Rosetta said:

mornings

Oh I relate to the early morning cortisol spike. And then the fears and then the hot and cold flashes. I know I’m in menopause so I know that could be part of it but I also know I’m tapering and that’s a part of it. It’s pretty much every morning for me.

2001- Klonopin 0.125 mg.  2011- increase to 1 mg.  2018- increase to 1.5 mg. Taper 2023-2024. Taper complete!

2010- Trials of SSRI's, several.

2011- Saphris 5 mg. CT. 6/2017- retry Saphris 5 mg sublingual, begin taper August 2020 10% taper with scale, and final taper liquid sublingual, August 2019- taper complete!

2011- Geodon 20 mg. Begin taper Sept 2019. 10% liquid taper. 2020: December-5 mg. 2021: Jan-4.5mg. (held Feb.for vacation). March-4mg. Apr-3.6mg. May-3.2mg. June-2.8mg. (Held July for vacation). Aug-2.4mg. Sept.- 2.2mg. Oct. 2mg. Dec 2022 - Taper complete!

2011- Gabapentin 300 mg to present- 2020. Increase 2023 to 400mg.

2014- Vyvanse 20 mg, 2020- Vyvanse 5 mg. Increase August 2022 20mg. CT (unavailable) 4/2023

2016- Lithium 300 mg, June 2016 - FT.

2017- Cogentin 0.5 mg. June-August 2019- off Cogentin.

2018- Lamictal 300mg. Holding

2021 - Hydroxyzine 30mg. Holding.

2014 Omeprazole 20 mg and holding, Omega 3's/fish oil, Magnesium

 

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Hi Rosetta, 

 

I’m sorry you are in such a panic in the morning. Mornings aren’t great for me a lot of the time but I don’t have the ruminations to the extent that you have them.

 

I do get hot one minute n then freezing the next. Sometimes I go from heater to air conditioning to the fan all throughout the day. My body won’t regulate my temperature. I haven’t had my periods for years so I’m not sure what the temperature deregulation is from but I think it’s more than likely withdrawals because it gets bad when I’m in a wave. 

 

With your body overheating and then getting cold it could be menopause or withdrawals or maybe a combination of both things?? 

 

Hope your mornings settle a little soon, Sending hugs🤗

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 5/4/2018 at 10:03 AM, Rosetta said:

It was nice to have a dream about being normal.

I've had some dreams in the last few months that were encouraging. I'm glad you had that dream even if it only lasted for a little while.

 

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Hi Rosetta,

It is so difficult to have our minds continuously ruminating and worrying...I am sorry it is so persistent for you these days.  

 

I find I am either in the past or the future...ruminating or worrying from time I open my eyes.  I moved recently and have no idea where many things are.  If I look at the whole picture its too much, so I try to do one thing each day.. go through one box or bin, hang one picture, do just one thing.  Have found I feel better when I do.  I don't know if that would help you with your goal in decluttering?  (some days I can't manage but better with time)

 

I have had cold and hot spells forever.  With surgery I know mine was menopausal , I know my cortisol was off, and I know I have anxiety....one or a combo on any given day.  Don't think my system has worked real well since the CLonazepam...a sensitive system always but not like the crazy things that have gone on for the years of taking it that I never attributed to it, but do now in hindsight.  You could get the hormone and cortisol answers with blood tests.  The other is that I think for years I was in withdrawal or tolerance or I don't know what with the CLonazepam and didn't have a clue.  I was depressed and not and had cortisol issues and salt and sugar issues and would awaken hot and sweating and other times be freezing.  I am believing that these meds can cause issues while taking, tapering, and after tapering....at least seemed so with me.  And think about you starting one right after birth when our hormones are a bit out of normal anyway.

 

What I know for me is with all the tests and searching there were few definitive answers but always on going questions that my mind has and continues to nonstop search answers for.  My son refers to them as ruts...our minds like to dredge a rut that we can fall back into comfortably or not so comfortably because its familiar.  He tells me I need to make different ruts. :)  Easy for him to say!!! 

 

I so hope tomorrow brings you some good moments!  

   

-Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016

-Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. 

-November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17,     

-20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day

-Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17

-Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg  5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded  

-4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19

-July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, 

-7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25

-1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg,

  1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit  1/week,Reacted Mag prn

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Thank you for stopping by, all of you!!  

 

Yes, Rabe, being on the drugs causes issues just as being off.  What folly to have ever thought that any drug could ba a solution!

 

Dalalea, the dreams do encourage me, too.  That my mind can have a pleasant dream is a huge improvement.

 

Carmie, it's no doubt a combination.

 

DMV, yes, you are having similar issues.  I'm sorry.

 

Hazel, I'm sorry for you, too.  It's very tough.

 

My husband sees a lot of improvement, and he's optimistic.  He says my appetite and pleasure in food and the smell of food is noticable.  He's right.  Slowly, I'm returning to normal in many ways. The anxiety and muscle tension will have to go, too.  Yesterday, I took a long walk.  That helped.  Last night the worries were much less intense.  Only 2 - 3 hot flashes.  

 

I definitely think more clearly than I used to.  I'm having the desire to organize although Im afraid to try.  Maybe I can pick a small task.

 

Thanks for all your support, everyone!!

 

Rosetta

 

Still no Mother Nature!!!  Day 36!!!

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Think you are darn special and fabulous!!!!

-Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016

-Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. 

-November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17,     

-20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day

-Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17

-Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg  5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded  

-4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19

-July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, 

-7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25

-1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg,

  1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit  1/week,Reacted Mag prn

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3 hours ago, Rabe said:

Think you are darn special and fabulous!!!!

 Aww, thanks!

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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How is today Rosetta?  I was having such a good day and then my daughter called and I am so down...hard to keep getting beaten for what you are not able/dont do rather than being loved for what you are able to do.  Have to try to challenge lots of thoughts.  Take care!!!

-Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016

-Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. 

-November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17,     

-20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day

-Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17

-Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg  5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded  

-4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19

-July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, 

-7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25

-1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg,

  1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit  1/week,Reacted Mag prn

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8 hours ago, Rabe said:

Think you are darn special and fabulous!!!!

I second that! Thinking of you Rosetta 💖

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Thanks Kristine and Rabe.  

 

Today has been very uncomfortable, but I went to drop off, breakfast, walked to and from pick up and went to my daughter's gymnastics class that is close by (not the 35 minutes each way class.).

 

I sat outside quite a bit -- for breakfast and for most of the day until 1:00.  That's a lot of sunlight.  

 

I had a couple of doses of magnesium.

 

I'm irritable.  Reading causes muscle tension in my jaw and neck.  That's what I do to distract, but the physical sensation causes anxiety.  

 

I had a foot cramp in my left foot today.  I hope that means the dystonia in those toes is beginning to resolve.  I don't mention dystonia in my posts these days because it's very slight and rarely uncomfortable unless I read and write too much.  "Too much" varies from day to day.  I'm grateful it's not just there all the time to an uncomfortable degree, but I can't watch tv all day.  Letting my mind wander isn't really an option, of course.  Nonetheless, it's resolving.

 

I have no idea what my cycle is doing or has in store for me.  Day after tomorrow is a long day on a school field trip -- bus, then train, then ferry, then bus, then train, then bus -- to teach the kids about transportation.  I feel I should go.  It's the last one of the year, and I've been to none of them.  I dread the aftermath.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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I am always so taken with your strength, courage, dedication and resolve, Rosetta.  I do hope that tomorrow, no matter where your path leads, is good to you!  Will be thinking about you!!!

 

-Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016

-Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. 

-November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17,     

-20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day

-Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17

-Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg  5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded  

-4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19

-July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, 

-7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25

-1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg,

  1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit  1/week,Reacted Mag prn

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Hi Rosetta,

 

Just to cheer you n to the "returning to normal in many ways" ! 

 

I wonder what part of body and how bad the muscle tension is for you? It's one of my worst sxs now like my entire head and back is a rock.

 

Also, sending more healing vibes along the road for speedy recovery!

lex

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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@LexAnger

 

Hi, Thanks for the cheer.  It's coming along.

 

That symptom, muscle tension, was really awful for me about 35-40 days ago or so, but it has eased, and today is Day 37 of my cycle (9 days late).  I suspected that my hormones caused that terrible tension in my neck and shoulders in the run up to my period last month. Not that I hadn't had it for months to a lesser degree, but last month it was so severe.  I'm still having jaw tension off and on, but nothing like 40 or so days ago.  Using my right eye, right hand and right arm together cause tension on that side of my body, as usual.  I don't know what any of this means except that I'm progressing through menopause.

 

I'm sorry you are struggling with the tension.  Ibuprophen helps me unless I'm in PMS.  Then, it seems to do nothing at all.  (I used to take old, leftover 1/2 hydrocodone pills that worked in PMS.  They were so old I'm not sure what the actual doseage was, but that's not an option in WD, of course.  I mention it because apparently something in hydrocodone killed the pain, but ibuprophen had no effect.  A different sort of pain perhaps with a different origin? Idk.  I didn't know at the time that I was in tolerance WD, about cortisol or WD's effect on PMS.  So, I thought PMS was getting worse for me.  How many women on ADs have this problem and have no idea the AD is affecting them that way?!)

 

Are hormones a possible culprit for you?  

 

Rosetta

 

 

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Hi Rosetta,

You sound some better today?? Sure hoping Im indeed hearing that!  

(heart) Becky

-Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016

-Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. 

-November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17,     

-20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day

-Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17

-Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg  5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded  

-4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19

-July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, 

-7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25

-1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg,

  1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit  1/week,Reacted Mag prn

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@Rabe. I am a bit better today than yesterday which was a bit better than the day before.  Thanks for asking, dear.

 

Journal:

I wasn't as irritable today as yesterday.  I went for a long walk this morning after dropping off my daughter.  It's been a week and a half since the big Saturday trip to the theme park.  I think the fact that I'm not having a period this month (for the first time in 35 plus years) is the reason I am ok right now.

 

I picked my daughter up, had lunch out, and I went to her music lesson.  

 

It's possible that walking, sunlight and magnesium are helping, too.  I may add fish oil soon.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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I am so happy to read that Rosetta!  I have had a few good days as well...I feel almost 'normal'...dare I say!  I am hoping it lasts through the weekend for my granddaughters birthday and Mothers Day....SO hoping!!

I have been thinking about trying some magnesium and/or fish oil but have been so afraid as everything new, food or otherwise, causes and has caused such issues.  Hearing you makes me revisit the thought....thank you!

Hope tomorrow is just as kind to you Rosetta!  

(heart) Becky

-Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016

-Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. 

-November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17,     

-20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day

-Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17

-Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg  5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded  

-4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19

-July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, 

-7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25

-1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg,

  1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit  1/week,Reacted Mag prn

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Journal:

 

Other than 3 cortisol spikes this morning before I got up, I have been ok today.  (The spikes were awful and hard to recover from.  Each time, I stressed about the school field trip.)  I went on the trip, and felt OK.  Not entirely normal, not happy the whole time, but ok.  I'm grateful for that, and my cog function was normal.  I didn't feel awkward or uncomfortable around the other moms.  I didn't feel that it had to be obvious that I'm brain damaged.

 

It was a long trip.  We left the school at 8:30 on a school bus and arrived back at the school at 2:00.  School buses are the most wretched things.  It was an hour to the train station.  The train was very nice.  Smooth, quiet, comfortable.  It was a long ride, and the kids were quite anxious by the end.  Then, we got on another school bus for a short ride across a bridge.  The trip became stressful after that because of the kids being so excited and well, being 7.  

 

The good news is that my daughter was pretty happy and easy to handle -- a huge improvement over past experiences of the same sort.  She's learning to roll with the punches, finally.  Her mood was even and good all day.

 

Some of the other kids weren't so easy.  One little girl assigned to me, Elise, wouldn't stay with me because her best friend was in another group.  If we were separated from the grumpy girl, Elise was slow and pouty.  It was a constant struggle to keep her moving and close to me.  Through all this my mood stayed pretty even and neutral.  That was so nice!

 

We ate lunch at a park and then took a school bus to the ferry.  My daughter was so happy that I was there that she didn't get upset about how obvious it was that the other little girl wanted nothing to do with her.  She may have noticed, but she didn't let it ruin her day.  Whew!  That was a relief because my daughter has been asking for play dates with this little girl.

 

The ferry ride was easy and short.  Elise was a downer the whole time.  I wonder if all the junk food in her lunch had something to do with it?  By the time we got to the school bus again, I was done.  I let her sit with the other kid on the bus back to the school.  

 

I didn't get really unhappy until about half way through the long, hot, uncomfortable school bus ride back.  That shows pretty normal emotions for anyone, I believe.

 

I'm worried -- in fact scared -- about how I'll feel over the next couple of days, but my daughter was so happy to have me with her on the trip.  For today, I'm glad I went.  Maybe I can remember that if or when I fall into a wave.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Wow, Rosetta....congratulations on getting through the day so well.  The school trip sounds really challenging and you got through it amazingly!  

-1/06 - 3/07 Cymbalta. Fast taper (essentially CT); withdrawal symptoms after 4 mos (didn't realize was WD)

-10/07: 100 mg Zoloft; 1 mg Klonopin - tapered off Klonopin after 4 mos. Several unsuccessful slow tapers of Zoloft; went up and down in dose a lot

-Spring 2013 back on 1 mg Klonopin to counter WD symptoms; switched over 5-6 mos from Zoloft to 35 mg citalopram
-Two attempts at slow tapering citalopram, always increased dose due to WD; also increased Klonopin to 1.25 mg in 2014, then to 1.5 mg in 2015

-8/17-9/17: After holding one year at 20 mg, feeling withdrawal symptoms due to stress - slowly increased to 25 mg. No change in symptoms after 6 months (? tolerance ?)  - decided to start citalopram taper February 2018 (still on Klonopin 1.5 mg).

Supplements: fish oil; magnesium; vitamin D3; curcumin

Citalopram taper:  2/2018 - 12/2019: 25 mg - 11.03 mg I 2020: 10.89 mg - 7.9 mg I 2021: 7.8 mg - 5.26 mg I 2022: 5.2 mg - 3.36 mg I 2023: 3.3 mg - 1.47 mg 2024: 1/5/24: 1.44 mg; 1/19/24: 1.40 mg; 1/26/24: 1.37 mg; 2/2/24: 1.34 mg; 2/9/24: 1.31 mg; 2/23/24: 1.28 mg; 3/1/24: 1.25 mg; 3/8/24: 1.22 mg; 3/15/24: 1.19 mg; 3/29/24: 1.17 mg; 4/5/24: 1.14 mg; 4/13/24: 1.11 mg

 

 

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Yayyyyyyyy!!!!  Wow!!!!!!  That is so wonderful!  I don't believe I would have been able to do that....gosh what an incredible, victorious for you Rosetta!  Have been thinking about you!  What a lovely day for you and your daughter to tuck away in the fond memory department...gosh I am so in awe of all you do in the midst of all you are dealing with!!!

I had to laugh at Elise...loved your nicely stated rhetoric and then the sentence: "I let her sit with the other kid on the bus back to the school."

Laughed right out loud!!! :)  

(heart) Becky

-Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016

-Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. 

-November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17,     

-20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day

-Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17

-Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg  5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded  

-4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19

-July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, 

-7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25

-1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg,

  1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit  1/week,Reacted Mag prn

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Good for you Rosetta!

I also had a school field trip today with my youngest who is also 7.  I got through it pretty well.  I also was a bit nervous and didn’t know how I’d feel going into it, but ended up having a pretty decent time.  Hopefully the next one will be even more enjoyable.

Zoloft 50 mg Fall 2003-October 2016

I went up to 150 mg for several months during the winter of 2016 after going through a tough time trying to stabilize.

Lexapro 5 mg and then 10 mg October 2016-December 2016

Paxil December 2016 to present.  Started at 10 mg went up to 20 mg for three weeks and started reducing by 5mg every 2 weeks per doctors orders.  Got down to 7.5 mg and ran into trouble, found this website and updosed to 10 mg.

 9mg paroxetine June 18-6.5 mg in am 2.5 mg pm.  

July 20 began switch to Citalopram-9 mg Paxil and 5 mg citalopram

July 24-7.5mg paroxetine and 7.5mg Citalopram 

July 27-5mg paroxetine and 10 citalopram 

July 30-2.5 paroxetine and 10 of Citalopram 

August 2-2mg paroxetine and 10mg Citalopram, dropped paroxetine Aug. 3

August 8 increased to 15 mg citalopram

Take 1mg lorazepam as needed and 3mg melatonin at night.

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Thanks, everyone.  @Hazel Hazel, what a coincidence.  I'm glad it went well for you, too!!

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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