Rosetta: cold switch May 2011 & too fast taper Feb 2017

[Rosetta]

Yes, I can.  @Mimi79  I have to or she can’t go to school.  I hope she isn’t home for a week!

[Rosetta]

Might be going into a wave.  I hope not.  I was very stressed today.  It’s a Sunday, and they are always hard.  
 

I think what I eat on Sundays and the way the day is structured contributes to anxiety.  Everyone gets up late, has pancakes for breakfast (I usually skip the syrup), and then we lazy around until about 2:00.  I’m out of dishwashing detergent and milk.  That complicated meals today.
 

My daughter plays a game online with a girl in Spain.  That goes from about 11:00 to 1:00, and we can’t change that because of the time difference.  
 

We are supposed to go to my MILs, but I rarely go.  I feel so anxious by 2:00.  I think it’s because I have low blood sugar.  I lose track of time and don’t eat, and then we are suppose to leave, but I can’t.  I stay home alone.  I really hate Sundays.

 

Anyway, I have my daughter’s birthday next weekend.  I’m sure I am stressed about that.  I have to have it here because of COVID.  I guess my friends will see my house when they go to the bathroom.  I have not been able to do anything about it yet, and now I have one week.  Maybe I can at least hide the mess.

 

I thought I was functioning better, but a I still can’t keep things done so that Sunday’s are better.  I guess I’m still very scatter brained.

[Phoenixmama]

@rosetta sending you light and love , i hope you feel better.... 

[Mimi79]

Dear Rosetta,

I'm thinking of you. I'm sure you will find a solution for your daughter's birthday. I think hiding the mess is an excellent choice!

I hope the Covid test is negative.

Have a good day!

 

Anne-Marie

[Rosetta]

Thank you @Mimi79 and @Phoenixmama  It’s very nice to see your support.

 

I’m fine.  I get panicky when I feel myself going down again. I am noticing that I am ticklish again.  It’s off and on.  That’s a good sign.  It’s both uplifting and dismaying to realize how much this syndrome and change “who” we are.  It robs of us our humanity, as I saw someone else comment.

 

I slept fine last night.  Hot flashes were happening, but no severe adrenaline rushes.  I stayed in bed.  Dystonia is constantly coming back because I keep writing here, but i like to give back when I have the ability.  There is so much need for help; it’s incredible.

 

I’m getting some bankers’ boxes today and some bins, and I just have to hide this mess and get the floors clean.  It will be fine.  I might even find my daughter’s retainer in the process.

[Believer]

Hi Rosetta, you are such a trooper, this has been a long journey for you. Continue to be gentle with yourself. As we know, being hard on ourselves makes things worse. It’s awesome that you are throwing your daughter a party! And maybe you will find her retainer!

Take care of you.

 

[Rosetta]

Thanks @Believer That’s so kind of you.  Yes, it’s a very small party. Should be easier with only 4 kids.  We are gong to tie dye. I’m grateful for this year of distancing at the same time that is been hard.  I needed the pressure off these 13 months.  It’s sad for my daughter, but she will make friends.

[Frogie]

@Rosetta

 

It sound like you have a well made plan in progress. That’s wonderful!

 

I hope you’re able to find your daughter’s retainer in the process.

 

Take care,

 Frogie xx

[Rosetta]

Thank you, @Frogie.  I’m very happy to see that you have tapered off and are doing well — a Moderator even.  You are a shining example of the amazing good that this site does — a life saved from who knows what sort of mess in which you might have found yourself!

[wantrelief]

Hi Rosetta - I am always impressed with how much you do despite the challenges you are facing.  Throwing a birthday party is no easy feat at all and what a creative idea you came up with to do tie-dying!  How is your daughter feeling?  I really hope her illness has passed so you don't have to worry about Covid on top of everything.  Hang in there....you are doing great!

[Rosetta]

Thanks, @wantrelief  She’s fine.  It’s a very slight cold.  She has not had a fever, and she’s full of energy.  She had a very bad headache one night — Saturday, I think.  So, that adds to the worry.  I don’t know what caused that.  It wasn’t dehydration.  
 

Covid is such a strange disease that can turn on a person so quickly.  That’s why I’m nervous.  Even with a positive test there is little I can do except be vigilant, but I need to know for myself and my husband, of course.
 

My HMO has restricted Covid tests to 4 hours a day now — 7:30 to 11:30, and there is only one location in a 30 mile radius.  We can’t get one at her pediatrician’s office.  She misses 10 days of school for every illness that cannot be identified.  Even a negative test isn’t enough if she has symptoms.  We have to wait 72 hours after symptoms have disappeared for her to go back.  Of course, I understand the caution and I appreciate it, but oh, how I want this mess to be over.  It won’t disappear without widespread, easy-to-access testing.
 

It’s fine.  We can deal with the hours, but I didn’t know the hours had been cut.  So, we made a trip yesterday for nothing.  What irritates me is that many people can’t use those hours, and this disease continues to spread.  It should be simple enough to be open during all daytime hours for Covid tests.  I don’t have to tell you that a medical system based on profits is dangerous.

 

Yes, I do the birthdays well.  The rest of the time she goes for a couple of weeks or more without playdates, but I get the birthday thing right.  I want her to remember that she was loved.   It would be better for her the other way around, but . . .
 

This should be fun.  Her third grade teacher had a tie dye party for the kids on the very day the school was shut down in 2020.  I helped.  So, at least this isn’t new to me.  I bought a kit, too.  Her two friends from preschool and her best friend are coming.  It will be nice.

 

I hope I don’t have to postpone because she has Covid!

[wantrelief]

I am keeping everything crossed your daughter does not have Covid - I don't know a lot about how it manifests in kids but what you are describing doesn't sound like Covid at least from how adults feel with it.

 

33 minutes ago, Rosetta said:

I want her to remember that she was loved.

I think this is the most important thing for a child to feel, more than anything (coming from someone who didn't feel that way growing up but did have nice birthday parties, play with friends and such).  You are a wonderful mother, Rosetta.

[Sheera]

Just checking in on you. ❤️❤️

[Rosetta]

 

Thanks @Sheera  I should check on you, too!

[Rosetta]

Today has been quite bad.  If I had anyone to call I would.  There is no one.  I don’t have a single person that I can talk to about this.  

 

 

[Happy2Heal]

1 hour ago, Rosetta said:

Today has been quite bad.  If I had anyone to call I would.  There is no one.  I don’t have a single person that I can talk to about this.  

 

 

I am sorry you had a bad day today.

I am sending you a PM 

[Happy2Heal]

12 minutes ago, Happy2Heal said:

I am sorry you had a bad day today.

I am sending you a PM 

ok no I'm not lol 

 

I hope you're feeling a bit better now

[cathnz]

2 hours ago, Rosetta said:

Today has been quite bad.  If I had anyone to call I would.  There is no one.  I don’t have a single person that I can talk to about this.  

 

 

@RosettaI'm so sorry today has been so hard for you. I relate to everything you say... tension and conflict with my husband and son drive me to SI every single time. Even minor things. If I so much as sense that one of them is annoyed at me, I spiral. My husband is wonderful and patient, but he is also human. And my son... we'll he's 13 so almost every interaction is turbulent. I can relate to what you say on every level. But please know this, your realness and inner strength has brought me so much hope the last year. You're human. You will falter. But you get back up. You sound like a wonderful mum and wife and I for one am so very glad you're in this community. 

[cathnz]

16 minutes ago, cathnz said:

@RosettaI'm so sorry today has been so hard for you. I relate to everything you say... tension and conflict with my husband and son drive me to SI every single time. Even minor things. If I so much as sense that one of them is annoyed at me, I spiral. My husband is wonderful and patient, but he is also human. And my son... we'll he's 13 so almost every interaction is turbulent. I can relate to what you say on every level. But please know this, your realness and inner strength has brought me so much hope the last year. You're human. You will falter. But you get back up. You sound like a wonderful mum and wife and I for one am so very glad you're in this community. 

@Rosetta, just a thought, have you ever tried eft? When I'm caught up in a SI spiral during/after conflict, I've taken to hiding in my wardrobe and tapping on myself. Sometimes with a script, sometimes just taking breathing and crying. It helps shave just a wee bit off the top of the distress to give me some breathing room. 

[Rosetta]

Thank you @cathnz I guess you read the post before I deleted most of it.  Thank you for being so kind.  I’m able to deal with the fact the waves come back now, but my husband isn’t.  Thank you, @Happy2Heal  I guess I need to empty my mailbox.

[Rosetta]

I wrote this to someone.  I have noticed an improvement in one of my symptoms and that is noted here.

 

The symptoms of ADWD and PWS can be different for everyone.  There are some that are more common in all people, but we all have different “constellations.”  Each person seems to have one or two that are very prominent —happen more often or lessen and intensify the most.  Dizzyness and ear ringing are common for example.  When those symptoms that are common for a particular person start to lessen and do not come back as intensely, that is a sign of recovery.
 

Maybe this will help you understand a little bit how recovery works.
 

One’s nervous system becomes more difficult to rattle over time.  Even if there are time periods when the sensitivity goes up again (waves), the overall trajectory is toward a more stable system.
 

Here’s an example: the startle response. Loud noises, people yelling, things falling and crashing usually affect me.  At times, they don’t — that’s when I’m numb.  I may have been experiencing anhedonia that is very disturbing when a loud noise happens or I may have noticed that I’m numb only because something crashed.  I used to be bothered by everything, even quiet noises, unless I was anhedonic.  Now, I don’t have anhedonia very often at all, but loud noises usually upset me.  Once in a while they don’t bother me.  That’s when I know I’m numb as I can’t detect it otherwise.  

Slowly, my system is becoming less sensitive.  It’s normal to jump at a loud noise and to calm down quickly.  It’s not normal, for most people, to completely freak out.  I used to all out panic and be unable to calm down for a long time.  That is changing.
 

The non-linear nature of this recovery means that I never get my footing.  I don’t know when I can “safely” interact with the world.  I may think I’m doing all right until the recycling truck dumps a bunch of glass out of a bin.  
 

Then there is the second element of the startle response: recovery time.  Yesterday, my daughter broke a plate glass window.  There was the initial crack and then, a few seconds later, all the pieces fell and crashed.  I panicked when I heard the crack, but I flipped when I heard the crash.  Then, I recovered very quickly after I realized what had happened and there was no injury to anyone.  That’s a big deal.  The recovery time is becoming much more normal.
 

I used those examples because I think most people in WD have the sensitivity to loud noises, but the concept applies to a lot of symptoms that are not exacerbated by noises.  They very slowly improve, get worse during waves, and improve again.  Your baseline for a symptom will be slightly better after each wave even if the degree of improvement is not perceptible to you.

 

The day before, I panicked over something other than a noise, my husband yelled at me because he felt I was rude to him, and I ended up with severe SI for several hours.  If he had not yelled at me, I think I would have recovered much faster.  
 

(I don’t even realize it when I’m being rude, and I don’t entirely believe it.  My memory of what I said and how I acted do not match what my husband describes.  What I believe I told my mouth to say and what he claims I said do not match either.  Sometimes, I wonder if he had a form of PTSD from this experience and he is not perceiving reality when he gets upset.  He becomes very tense when it appears that I am going into a wave.  We often have a horrible argument.)
 

 

[Erell]

Thank you ❤

 

You sometimes say that you don't feel you are always clear in your writing, and I know it is not easy.

But, really, Rosetta, thank you : your posts are clear, well-written, very wise and always amazing to read for someone who is earlier in this journey. 

 

I'm grateful we have you in our community, grateful for your posts and your kindness to share your experience.

You're a real mentor ! 

Edited April 29, 2021 by Erell

[Rosetta]

AKATHISIA

 

I wrote this to someone.

 

I think it’s pretty clear that you have akathisia.  The frustrating thing is that it does not go away just because you stopped taking the drug.  For some people it does, and for everyone, we don’t know when it will go away, but it will lessen, just as all symptoms do.
 

It will slowly lessen over time, but there will be, probably, some waves that are worse here and there.  I know it’s a miserable condition.  Your best best is to stop changing things and let PWS run it’s course.  Every time you take a drug, drink alcohol, have your teeth worked on, etc., you are asking your nervous system to do something it’s not capable of doing — smoothly regulate your neurotransmitter activity.
 

It is particularly difficult for a person with akathisia to stay the course in terms of reinstatement or abstinence. However, once you accept that making changes will prolong this condition, perhaps you will find the will-power to get through.  
 

I don’t advise people about reinstatement.  I leave that to the Mods, but I think if I were you I would not try that again.  The mistakes you have made cannot continue.  I would not want to see you do it the wrong way and make yourself more ill.

 

Akathisia does go away.  It goes away the same way all other symptoms do — because you let your nervous system rest and find a balance.  You couldn’t be patient on any of your doses.  You couldn’t accept the waves and let them pass.  That’s ok.  Not everyone can.  Different people have different stressors in their lives, different tolerance levels for this syndrome.  
 

The problem with that is that your nervous system can’t take much more.  You might go from akathisia that survivable to aka that is not because you took a pill in desperation.  None of us know what your next change will do.  All we know is that each change has the potential to make things worse.  That’s why we need the make as few changes as possible.  You have made enough changes in my opinion.  
 

What I would do now is focus on finding the way for you to power through.  Relaxation and anxiety relief techniques did not work for me during akathisia.  Perhaps they are useful for some people or perhaps the degree of akathisia determines whether those techniques are options.  I suspect the latter.  

So, what to do?  The way to get through is to distract yourself from the akathisia. Having to pace makes it difficult to do anything else.  Listening to a book on tape, walking on a treadmill while watching tv, or walking in nature are options.
 

I am guessing that being a man with a business is quite different from being a woman who does not work at a job, but I had a child — a little child —through aka.  So, I had to “work” quite hard all but about 8-10 hours a day.  I did a pretty poor job sometimes, but I made it.  Aka is rare and mild for me now.  You can see on my signature that I quit all the drugs almost at once and never went back which was a huge mistake, but I survived.  You can, too.

 

The temptation to try to figure out whether the benzo caused aka or the AD did it or Quitting the benzo caused it — this is a very normal response to finding yourself in a big mess.  It is also one of aka’s mental symptoms.  Was it the reinstatement?  The fact is that it does not matter which mistake caused it.   Any or all of those actions could have caused it.  

How could this happen on a low dose?  How could this happen after a short period of use?  It can.  It does.  There is no research on this condition.  It is barely acknowledged by doctors.  It happens for different reasons in each person who is affected by it, but there is no doubt in my mind that it can get worse if the person makes the wrong  changes too close together or the changes are too large (dosage).  Once you have it, you need to be careful.  For you, that might mean that you have to control your impulse to make another change.

 

Find a way that works for you to get through the bouts of aka.  I had to distract.  It was very, very hard.  I used to sit on the floor and scream and cry during the worse times.  It scared my husband to death.  It took all my will power to not do that when my daughter was home.  Every bout of it peaked and then lessened.  I came to understand that every episode would resolve.  I had to wait it out.  I had to remember it was temporary.  I had to try to not think about it when I was free of it.  You can do the same.

[cathnz]

On 5/1/2021 at 5:51 AM, Rosetta said:

AKATHISIA

 

I wrote this to someone.

 

I think it’s pretty clear that you have akathisia.  The frustrating thing is that it does not go away just because you stopped taking the drug.  For some people it does, and for everyone, we don’t know when it will go away, but it will lessen, just as all symptoms do.
 

It will slowly lessen over time, but there will be, probably, some waves that are worse here and there.  I know it’s a miserable condition.  Your best best is to stop changing things and let PWS run it’s course.  Every time you take a drug, drink alcohol, have your teeth worked on, etc., you are asking your nervous system to do something it’s not capable of doing — smoothly regulate your neurotransmitter activity.
 

It is particularly difficult for a person with akathisia to stay the course in terms of reinstatement or abstinence. However, once you accept that making changes will prolong this condition, perhaps you will find the will-power to get through.  
 

I don’t advise people about reinstatement.  I leave that to the Mods, but I think if I were you I would not try that again.  The mistakes you have made cannot continue.  I would not want to see you do it the wrong way and make yourself more ill.

 

Akathisia does go away.  It goes away the same way all other symptoms do — because you let your nervous system rest and find a balance.  You couldn’t be patient on any of your doses.  You couldn’t accept the waves and let them pass.  That’s ok.  Not everyone can.  Different people have different stressors in their lives, different tolerance levels for this syndrome.  
 

The problem with that is that your nervous system can’t take much more.  You might go from akathisia that survivable to aka that is not because you took a pill in desperation.  None of us know what your next change will do.  All we know is that each change has the potential to make things worse.  That’s why we need the make as few changes as possible.  You have made enough changes in my opinion.  
 

What I would do now is focus on finding the way for you to power through.  Relaxation and anxiety relief techniques did not work for me during akathisia.  Perhaps they are useful for some people or perhaps the degree of akathisia determines whether those techniques are options.  I suspect the latter.  

So, what to do?  The way to get through is to distract yourself from the akathisia. Having to pace makes it difficult to do anything else.  Listening to a book on tape, walking on a treadmill while watching tv, or walking in nature are options.
 

I am guessing that being a man with a business is quite different from being a woman who does not work at a job, but I had a child — a little child —through aka.  So, I had to “work” quite hard all but about 8-10 hours a day.  I did a pretty poor job sometimes, but I made it.  Aka is rare and mild for me now.  You can see on my signature that I quit all the drugs almost at once and never went back which was a huge mistake, but I survived.  You can, too.

 

The temptation to try to figure out whether the benzo caused aka or the AD did it or Quitting the benzo caused it — this is a very normal response to finding yourself in a big mess.  It is also one of aka’s mental symptoms.  Was it the reinstatement?  The fact is that it does not matter which mistake caused it.   Any or all of those actions could have caused it.  

How could this happen on a low dose?  How could this happen after a short period of use?  It can.  It does.  There is no research on this condition.  It is barely acknowledged by doctors.  It happens for different reasons in each person who is affected by it, but there is no doubt in my mind that it can get worse if the person makes the wrong  changes too close together or the changes are too large (dosage).  Once you have it, you need to be careful.  For you, that might mean that you have to control your impulse to make another change.

 

Find a way that works for you to get through the bouts of aka.  I had to distract.  It was very, very hard.  I used to sit on the floor and scream and cry during the worse times.  It scared my husband to death.  It took all my will power to not do that when my daughter was home.  Every bout of it peaked and then lessened.  I came to understand that every episode would resolve.  I had to wait it out.  I had to remember it was temporary.  I had to try to not think about it when I was free of it.  You can do the same.

@Rosettaas someone with aka, I appreciate this post. I only wish I knew if mine is caused by wd or from the med they switched me to. But I'm glad for this post.

 

How are you doing after your bad day the other day? 

[Rosetta]

I’m better, @cathnz.  Thank you for asking.  I pulled off the birthday party today for my daughter.  I had a lot of help from my husband, and everyone I invited was very understanding.  I can’t be ready on time for anything especially here at home, but it was fine.

[Rosetta]

IMPROVEMENTS!
 

I have big news! I took a NAP!!!  I have been falling asleep in the afternoons lately and waking up a few minutes later without a cortisol spike.  That was exciting news last month, but today was the first day I went to my bed and took a nap.  I think I slept less than an hour.  I woke up with a hot flash, but with no cortisol spike!!!  This is probably the first time in about 3-4 YEARS that I have had a real nap.

 

Another positive development is that my hair stopped falling out.  That problem has been less and less worrisome over the past year or so.  Yesterday, when I washed my hair, only a very small amount came out.  
 

My gums do not bleed every time I brush my teeth either.  They do sometimes, but it used to be every time and quite a lot.  (Apparently, I need deep gum cleaning now because I have had inflamed gums for so long.  The things these drugs do to us!)

 

Tinnitus is better, too — much, much better.  It’s nonexistent the majority of the time. I notice it now because when it happens it is for a short time - minutes, and it changes in tone.  Then, it gets loud and stops.  I think I used to have it most of the time at a low level, and it was just a part of my life.
 

 

 

Of course, akathisia is nearly gone, and with it the impending doom, terror and SI.  Once in a while it flares up as I noted on my recent bad day post.  What is more frequent is that, off and on, when I lay down to sleep at night, I have a jittery feeling that is a mild restless legs feeling throughout my limbs, both arms and legs.  Eventually, I fall asleep.  That has been happening the last few nights.  Sometimes, it happens before I go to bed.

Last night, my mind was racing as I tried to go to sleep.  That hasn’t happened in a while.  My mind used to race almost all the time.  It’s very nice to have that resolving.

 

I do not feel terribly anxious nearly as often and rarely for no reason.  Once in a while, I do, such as the 2-3 days I posted about most recently — the awful argument with my husband.  I still have anticipatory anxiety about almost everything I do that is out of ordinary, but it’s more mild.  Out of the ordinary for me is leaving the house to do anything, but drive my daughter to school and walk the dog.  Even a grocery trip can cause anticipatory anxiety.  Sometimes I do that while I am out after having gone to the school because I know I won’t do it otherwise.

 

The brain fog and confusion issues are sooooo much better.  I can shop for groceries.  If I get confused doing that it is noteworthy whereas it used to be a given.  Shopping does not take me hours as it used to.  I don’t get lost in the store nearly as much.Im more or less able to follow my list and even pick up random things that are not on the list but would go well with things that are on the list.  This is a major improvement in my life.

 

There are some things that continue to plague me:

 

I do not have much motivation.  I don’t feel depressed very often, but I feel very uninspired to do much.  Then, I feel sad when I have wasted a day.  Usually, I feel a desire to do something when doing it is not possible, such as after dark I may think of something I wish I could do.  When day comes, I want to stay home and do nothing.  I have little interest in cooking or anything domestic.  I used to love crafts, but now, I don’t feel any inspiration except rarely and for short periods of time such as for an hour or so.  
 

I find it hard to get out of bed in the morning.  I usually lay that trying to convince myself to get up unless there is something that requires me to be up at a certain time.  School does not start until 11:45.  Even if I want to accomplish something before school, I find it hard or impossible to get up.

 

Mostly, I do things that are good for my daughter whether I want to or not.  Otherwise, I’m a bump on a log most of the time.  I do enjoy doing the things for my daughter such as throwing her the party, but only once I get started.  If there is anything anxiety producing that happens, I don’t enjoy it very much.

 

Hot flashes are a constant issue.  They are more frequent than ever.  I think had about 4 last night and about 7-8 the night before.  They are disrupting my sleep almost every night.  Once in while, I have only 2-3.  They were a problem for me at night in early WD, but that stopped and changed.  They started to come on in the day when I got upset.  I would get short of breath then, too and start coughing a lot.  Now, I have them all day even if I am not upset.  I think I have had only one period in the last year, maybe two.  So, perhaps the hot flashes and night sweats are due to menopause.  Some nights, I get so cold after a hot flash that I can’t go back to sleep.

 

Ruminating sometimes happens in the middle of the night, once in a while I wake up in fear, and I do have a strong depression in the muddle of the night, too.  I contribute these incidences to cortisol issues and fatigue from anxious days as well as hormonal changes.

 

Dystonia comes and goes.  Sometimes, it’s very uncomfortable.

 

My energy level is, overall, low.  I need to exercise more.  When I walk, my muscles tend to work pretty well.  It’s hard for me to tell if they are not getting what they need because my brain is malfunctioning or because Om our of shape.  It used to be, quite clearly, a lack of neurotransmitters.  I walked like I was 80, and O could barely pick up my feet.  I called it “lead legs.”

I should eat better.  I don’t feel inspired to do that; I still have anhedonia about food.  I do notice when something tastes good.  It is unexpected.  I think it is more frequent that I crave something and have the energy to actually make it.  I made guacamole about a week ago.  I made my daughter’s birthday cake.  It was strawberry with freeze-dried strawberries in a sour cream cake with vanilla whipped cream frosting.

 

There must be other ways in which I have seen improvements, but that is all for now.

 

[Erell]

Oh Rosetta! I am so happy for you !

I know you still have healing to do, and I have no doubt that anhedonia and hot flashes are still bothering now, but damn, being able to take a nap ! Wow, your CNS is able to relax without freaking out : I'm so glad for you, it sounds wonderful and well deserved !

 

Thank you for sharing ❤

[Rosetta]

Thanks, Erell. Yes!  This is the miracle I dreamt would happen.  I can relax enough to fall asleep in the middle of the day without a “toxic nap” reaction. Although it’s incredible that the repair of my brain has taken so long, apparently, I’m in the minority of people.  Most people are not so unlucky.  I’m so grateful to be here for this.

[Rosetta]

Here’s another symptom that is gone — allergies causing sinus issues.  The only time I have had allergies was after I quit Zoloft.  I discovered that ADs have anti-histamine properties.  I was prescribed an inhaler after Zoloft because I was short of breath.  What was happening was that my body overreacted to pollen because I had been on an anti-histamine for years — Zoloft (and Celexa).  

[Phoenixmama]

This is beautiful @rosetta you are a very bright light on SA , you are a very smart woman ,.... i will now keep reading this over and over lol I’m caught up in a little wave or something but this has made me feel better 

[Phoenixmama]

I meant to put this here 

 

This is beautiful @rosetta you are a very bright light on SA , you are a very smart woman ,.... i will now keep reading this over and over lol I’m caught up in a little wave or something but this has made me feel better 

[Rosetta]

Thank you @Phoenixmama  I hope all I have been through can help someone else avoid the same.  
 

I have a cold.  I don’t think it’s Covid.  I have no fever.  It’s pretty miserable.

[Phoenixmama]

Feel better @Rosetta ❤️

[ScottishLass]

@Rosetta I just wanted to make it over to your thread to say thank you for your input this far on my thread.  It's  truly appreciated. 😊

SL 

[Phoenixmama]

Got some labs done again and my ferritin level is 13 , I want and need to take a iron supplement but I’m so scared of making my withdraw worse , does anyone have any suggestions for me 

[Rosetta]

I thought low was less than 12 and it can range from 12 to 150 for women? @Phoenixmama