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Moderator note:  link to Linus' benzo thread - Linus: Klonopin question

 

Hi everyone,

 

I like this forum, I think the moderators are sensible  people who give good advice, compared to some other websites.

 

I have already come a long way with regards to withdrawing from Escitalopram, from 30mg to 1.8 mg. It has been hell but hey here I am

 

I know that by now even small cuts are problematic.

 

My first question would be if anyone has a clue as to whether there comes a point in the withdrawal where things get easier (like at 1mg or 0.8 mg) or does it stay funky all the way down to zero?

 

 

 

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Altostrata

Welcome, Linus.

 

Thank you for your kind words. I think we have excellent moderators, too.

 

What method did you use to taper escilatopram?

 

If it's been difficult, you may wish to hold here for a while and let your nervous system settle down before the final push.

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Linus

You're welcome Altostrata,

 

The method I used varied with time, at first I was totally clueless as to how one should do it, and you have probably heard this a million times, most shrinks are totally clueless, they subscribe their psychotropic medication like candy, and then it is for their patients to find out first what incredible garbage they were given and second to clean up the mess so to speak. I read something yesterday on this forum which made me laugh out loud, something like '...and another arrogant and ignorant psychiatrist..... I so recognise this.

 

I don't really remember how I went from 30 to 10 mg, too big chunks that is for sure. From 10 mg (this was about a year and a half aog) I found a psychiatrist who dislikes ad's as much as I do, and I started doing a slower taper, first to 8 then 6 and that is when it became impossible to taper such amounts, so it became 0.4 I think, now it has been 0.1 or 0.2 drops. However she made the mistake to give me Klonopin to help with ad withdrawal, big mistake off course, nobody is perfect, but again I will have to taper of that crap when I am fhinished with the ad.

 

A few days ago I made the mistake of simultaneously tapering the ad and the benzo (a 1.3 percent drop of K, water titration method), should not have done that, I will now focus solely on the ad. I

 

Next week I will go to 1.7 mg. Because I am forced to cut smaller amounts, I would really like to know if you have any anecdotal evidence of people here who reported that after a certain point, the tapering stops being difficult? Otherwise this could still drag on for quite some time....

 

Thanks

 

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Altostrata

Quite frequently, people come here who have been tapering too fast, in the same state as you.

 

If you're having withdrawal symptoms, if I were you, I would not taper for a while. Let your nervous system rest.

 

The principle is: "If you're in a hole, stop digging."

 

You should very, very gradually start feeling better. Please let us know how you're doing.

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Linus

Thanks Altostrata, I will try my best to slow things down a little, the reason I want to come of these medications as fast as possible is that I have an underlying condition which can only be adressed once the meds are out of my system (cptsd).

 

For example emdr did not work at all a couple of months ago, now I at least had one session where I clearly showed emotion.

 

With my last dosage reductions I noticed a postive change, namely that I started feeling emotions again (or in a different way, hard to explain). I also had problems with dissociation for years (every day), like a couple of months ago I only had it in the evening, now with further reductions in the last 10 days there was only one day I really dissociated, so my thinking is the chemical straight jacket they gave might have hindered me in adressing dissociaton. I can't know for sure, but it sure as hell does not seem like a coincidence...

 

Giving people with ptsd antidepressants is probably a very bad thing to do, and this is me being very polite, 

 

Anyway I will try to not rush things.

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Waltjie

Linus,

 

I admire your FANTASTIC progress! I'm actually jealous of you. I'm 6 months into my tapering process, and I've been stuck at the 10mg dosage for couple of months now. I just can't seem to get properly stabilized.... urgh! You are so close to the end, I wish you all the BEST and only long windows of peace!

 

Love.

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Linus

Thank you Waltjie for your kind words all the way from South Africa :)

 

I am sorry to hear you are having difficulties in your tapering process, for me tapering always pretty much followed the same trajectory:

I would start feeling a dosage reduction after about five days, then there would be five days of clear and gruesome withdrawal symptoms after which they pretty much faded away, this did not mean I would feel ok, because of my underlying 'condition' (ptsd and depersonalisation). In other words I still feel bad after every reduction, it is just I can tell it is no longer from withdrawal.

 

I always tell my current psychiatrist who is supportive about me coming of antidepressants, that I can not tell what is caused by the chemicals from the ad and what is caused by my underlying condition. That the administration of the ad has a detrimental effect, I am sure of,  to what extent that is impossible to say.

 

So I do not know about your situation, did you feel fine before starting your taper and did problems only arise after you started tapering?  Or do you also still have an underlying condition which needs to be adressed?

 

Warm wishes

 

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Hi Linus it is good to meet another lexapro survivor! We are on a similar dose, I am currently on 2mg. I also came down from 30mg almost ten years ago. 

 

My cuts have have been big and have caused protracted withdrawal. Right now I am in no state to reduce further. I fear any more changes will stir up a massive storm. Slow and steady wins the race. What point is there in being drug free if I can’t even survive from day to day. My pride will have to take a back seat and enjoy the journey!

 

I send you healing vibes and much support. 

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Linus

Thank you for your kind words. I too wish you a full recovery.

 

I am going to write a post about Somatic Experiencing (a body oriented therapy for trauma) on this forum somewhere in the near future.

 

I did a quick search and found this with regards to OCD:

 

https://www.bridgestorecovery.com/blog/emdr-shows-remarkable-promise-for-post-traumatic-ocd-treatment/


"Many people explicitly connect their OCD symptoms with histories of trauma, and can distinctly trace the evolution of their obsessions and compulsions to specific moments in their lives in which they experienced overwhelming distress. Despite this, OCD has historically been treated in isolation, as a discrete disorder unrelated to traumatic events, leaving debilitating and painful symptoms unaddressed. Over the past decade, however, a growing body of research confirming the links between OCD and trauma has called the wisdom of this approach into question, and has led to a more nuanced understanding of post-traumatic OCD treatment."

 

If this is something you can relate to, I would advise a combination of emdr and somatic experiencing.

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Waltjie
10 hours ago, Linus said:

Thank you Waltjie for your kind words all the way from South Africa :)

 

I am sorry to hear you are having difficulties in your tapering process, for me tapering always pretty much followed the same trajectory:

I would start feeling a dosage reduction after about five days, then there would be five days of clear and gruesome withdrawal symptoms after which they pretty much faded away, this did not mean I would feel ok, because of my underlying 'condition' (ptsd and depersonalisation). In other words I still feel bad after every reduction, it is just I can tell it is no longer from withdrawal.

 

I always tell my current psychiatrist who is supportive about me coming of antidepressants, that I can not tell what is caused by the chemicals from the ad and what is caused by my underlying condition. That the administration of the ad has a detrimental effect, I am sure of,  to what extent that is impossible to say.

 

So I do not know about your situation, did you feel fine before starting your taper and did problems only arise after you started tapering?  Or do you also still have an underlying condition which needs to be adressed?

 

Warm wishes

 

 

You are most welcome, Linus!

 

Thank you so much for taking time to respond to me.

 

My first couple of reductions followed the same pattern as you described above, really. I would reduce, four days later I would feel like crap, and then things would get better until it is time to reduce again. I did this, and my last reduction happened in October. I decided to give myself a break during November and December.

I felt ¨normal¨ during this time. Things got a bit stressful at home with my partner loosing his job, work got really busy and.... I think this might have been a trigger for me... on 21 December I went to my cupboard to take my pill for the night, when I realized that I had RUN OUT!! This has NEVER happened to me before, like ever! I got into such a panic. I got someone to drive to the pharmacy for me the next day and took the pill as soon as I could. On Christmas Day, is when I started feeling a little ¨out of it¨.... and I´ve yet to get back to where I was prior to this.

 

So I am hoping that this is ¨normal¨ and that it will soon pass. Two days ago I actually had a much better day, I was smiling and I was focusing on my symptoms as much.

Today I am going for a massage, and I am very much looking forward to that!

 

Love.

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Linus

I hope you will feel better soon.

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Waltjie
17 minutes ago, Linus said:

I hope you will feel better soon.

 

Thanks so much. 

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