Rabe: how to taper and adjust Viibryd while on Clonazepam

[Rabe]

20 hours ago, Rosetta said:

There is no way to know for sure whether the variance in the 0.7 capsule is that much of a problem or whether the Viibryd tapering and the way it affects the C in your system is the real problem.

 

 

I know it is both...

[Rabe]

@manymoretodays  

 

Trying to get a most stable CLonazepam dose at this point has not stopped the other.  The Viibryd capsules are in the mail...should arrive today.  I have the samples from the doctor of the Viibryd tablets.  Thats all I need, right?

Dealing with the Clonazepam and has nothing to do with what I am doing to get the Viibryd taper going.  Thank much MMT.

[Rabe]

25 minutes ago, manymoretodays said:

And as you know, what these medications do, for many of us.......while on them, and then when coming off them......while in W/D.........can throw off so many systems, hormonal included.  Any thoughts from you, as to the side effects of Premarin, that Alto alerted you to?  You've been on the same dose now since a hysterectormy, back in 2000?  Is this correct?  And then, if so.........I/we can make no suggestions on that.  If I were you, I'd probably just book an OB/Gyn appointment or if you have a GP, who is unaffiliated with the treatment center.......you might even consider getting their input on that issue now.  That generally means an appointment with a doctor.  Input.   Sometimes labs.  Same with the dehydration and/or electrolyte issues.

The Premarin started at .625, as I said in earlier post to Alto I think, and I tapered to .3 and then a fall or something interrupted that and then had surgery etc.  Tried tapering it at home while tapering Clonazepam too fast and that did not go well so stopped.  So no the dose is lower than from 2000 hyst.

I have already talked to OB/GYN about it and yes it should be tapered as well...my concern was not the need to taper it but rather you would suggest I do that in the midst of everything else.  The OB/GYN of course would like me off it now...just as psych would like me off these meds today...as would I.

I just saw the kidney doctor and I the electrolytes have been checked regularly.  I think the meds and tapering result in bigger issues with dehydration and electrolytes...will juste have to do my best.

[Rabe]

@manymoretodays

I would like to cross over with the clonazepam it I can somehow find the Northstar Sandoz 1mg blue tablets...

working on that as well.

[Rabe]

36 minutes ago, manymoretodays said:

The pharmacist may think you are tapering clonazepam now.......I don't know.  Good answer from the pharmacist, just the same.

 

Could some of your symptoms be related to

• continued benzo withdrawal......after all, you ended up cutting that dose in half, back in the fall of 2017
• then began Viibryd.......from what I can gather, that didn't do much for the benzo W/D and may have sent you into some other physical concerns due to adverse reactions
• Cut Viibryd dosage in half, which from what I can gather........you did seem to get a bit more stability, if not from W/D symptoms, from some of the other medical issues that had seemed to arise or adverse reactions to it

 

The pharmacist knows I am not tapering the clonazepam right now

 

I think yes on the continued benzo WD...I was not aware that that continues even when you are not actually tapering..is that correct?

The viibryd has been issue from get go, yes, but things were 'stable' in Feb of 2017 before started tapering

lowering the viibryd does not seem to have helped anything much...

I just feel worse and worse as time goes on...morning and late evening are about only times dont feel sick...hence the thoughts of just a more rapid taper.  The pale, sick, heart not right stuff is a bit unnerving...but all of this is.

Thanks again...hope I have clarified some things. 

Let me know a nest step.  I would like to have a 'best'holiday with my kids as my son, whose wedding I missed cause was inpatient last Sept being tapered, will be coming with his wife...having said that I dont know from day to day or fromm minute to minute how i will be so that may not happen anyway.

[manymoretodays]

Rabe, this may be a bit out of order in the line up here of your recent posts,  However,  I've seen them all now.  Since my previous post.

You might be working on too many things at once Rabe.

2 hours ago, Rabe said:

The OB/GYN of course would like me off it now...just as psych would like me off these meds today...as would I.

Okay.....thanks for clarifying what you have done to date, with your Premarin. ^

 

2 hours ago, Rabe said:

just as psych would like me off these meds today...as would I. 

^^ Yikes!!!  I'm going to have to say......let us know how that works out if that is the direction you choose now.

 

2 hours ago, Rabe said:

I think yes on the continued benzo WD...I was not aware that that continues even when you are not actually tapering..is that correct?

^ I will answer a resounding YES, to this.  Have you looked around at other benzo communities or personal stories of recovery from benzos?

 

2 hours ago, Rabe said:

The viibryd has been issue from get go, yes, but things were 'stable' in Feb of 2017 before started tapering

lowering the viibryd does not seem to have helped anything much...

^That was 20 mg, according to your signature.  And shortly after your arrival in a treatment center, as well, I believe.  I'm not a fan of using the latest greatest A/D for benzo withdrawal.  I'm not a doctor, or even a nurse, in holding this opinion.  Just a person who has been through W/D.  And spent some time digesting information and discerning it......both medication users accounts(stories on experiences with medications and W/D) as well as research findings, and of course......I highly value the work done by not only Alto(our founder) but other longer term mods, as well as other professionals with great wisdom.

 

And, yes, I agree.......you are not getting worse with tapering Viibryd.......so let's get on with it.

 

2 hours ago, Rabe said:

I just feel worse and worse as time goes on...morning and late evening are about only times dont feel sick...hence the thoughts of just a more rapid taper.  The pale, sick, heart not right stuff is a bit unnerving...but all of this is.

^  And oh my gosh.......I know.  I'll address this one with this other quote below.

2 hours ago, Rabe said:

Let me know a nest step.  I would like to have a 'best'holiday with my kids as my son, whose wedding I missed cause was inpatient last Sept being tapered, will be coming with his wife...having said that I dont know from day to day or fromm minute to minute how i will be so that may not happen anyway.

We all know Rabe.  You are in the right place.  Have I not let you know the next step about 3 times over now?  Weights on the cc of Viibryd?  So we can get an average weight.  Weights on the Viibryd tablets?  Same deal.  We want to get an average.  Vibryd.  Vibryd.  Then....... we begin to taper once more.  I don't know if you can tolerate a rapid taper.  The notes.  Non drug coping.  Finding a bit more support on the ground perhaps or within yourself?

 

And OMG.  The weights.  The weights please.  That's what I am waiting for.  Try and just report them.  On Viibryd only.  CC's and tablets.  Viibryd only.  Viibryd.   I am aware of brassmonkey's previous comments about the variance.  The scale will come in handy......I assure you.   If not for the Viibryd NOW.  Then later, for the clonazepam.

 

We(you and I.....as well as the rest of the mods, or members) are, with you and your plan agreement and wishes.......based on decisions that you made about medication formulations, and what you think might be tolerated, and work best for your taper plan.......going to work on crossing you over from compounded capsules of Viibryd to Viibryd tablets next. 

 

Then we will do the same with your clonazepam.

 

We will not be tapering anything, at all......during the crossovers.  I am perfectly game to assist you in tapering Viibryd, if you'd like.......after the holidays......and the crossover, to tablets.  

I honestly don't think this Viibryd crossover is going to make you quickly better or worse in any way.

Non drug coping, non drug coping, maybe work on a new treatment team.......is that not an option at all?  Take care of yourself Rabe.

 

And not touching anything with your clonazepam in the meantime.

 

So it's very likely that you can enjoy your holidays.  Have you tried the "I am having drug related issues right now" explanation to family and loved ones or I used to use "ARSM".......adverse reactions to some medications.  And then drop it........so you don't have to deal with all the opinions and issues of others right now.  I'm so sorry that you missed the wedding of your Sun.  Just try for one great day or several hours with them, the newlyweds.  My hope is......that all this will be nearly forgotten one day........when you have the life you need and want so badly again.  Not always does it resemble the one you once had......if that makes sense.  Ask that they come see you or come pick you up......if your safety is at risk with driving and not being the perfect you that you might now, imagine that you once were.  And forgive my bluntness, Rabe.......I'm really sorry for the place, people, and things........that are all not cooperating perfectly to get you from A-------B, right now......in your healing and recovery............never mind that elusive A-Z completeness.......that of course none of us really get.  Not that I mind living halfway now......in my A- L life, at all.  Don't get me wrong.

 

Let me know if you have firmly changed your mind about something.  And what IS helping.  Besides brassmonkey's concise responses.......you can find some good ones back on the beginning pages of your introduction here.    I think I just paraphrased something I saw back there.

 

All for now.  I'm waiting on weights of Viibryd only.  I don't understand your using your time to chase the Blue Sandoz clonazepam  dream right now.  Or my time.

 

Love, peace, healing, and growth,

mmt

 

Edited November 30, 2018 by manymoretodays
unhidden reply, due to more responses from Rabe coming in as I was replying

[Rabe]

@manymoretodays

called northstar and the distributor is MnKesson...so called them..but they will only talk to a doctor...so texted him but he usually does not get back to me.

Will probably be next visit.  In mean time I am going to call some pharmacies and see if they order from McKesson...cant hurt...

[manymoretodays]

Hi Rabe,

I responded above your last post.  So I am really just bringing that post to your attention.

 

  And if all is still off......with filler variances and weights of the cc's of Vibryd.......well then, we can consider a cross over to a homemade liquid.

We can deal with that when and if we come to that conclusion.

Best,

mmt

[Rosetta]

I'm sorry you are so worried about the manufacturer issue on Clonazapam.  I know you had a bad reaction to the dye was it (?) in the other pills not made by Sandoz.  You need them to be blue, I think.  How crazy is it that we can't even have dye?!  Maybe the Sandoz powder will still be available to your compounding pharmacy anyway.   Try not to think about the alternative.  That wont help you.  

 

Try to breathe, Rabe.  Once you get those new Viibryd capsules you can weigh them and get the crossover going.  You send the tablets your doctor gives you to the pharmacy and they make capsules out of the tablets?  They don't get a powder like they do for the benzo?  Is that because you get the tablets for free?  Hopefully things will calm down soon.

[Rabe]

10 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

And, yes, I agree.......you are not getting worse with tapering Viibryd.......so let's get on with it.

 

I may not have been clear...Alto asked me this too...am I better since lowering the Viibryd and I said no then and say the same now...I am not better but maybe that is to be expected. 

10 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

Have I not let you know the next step about 3 times over now?  Weights on the cc of Viibryd?  So we can get an average weight.  Weights on the Viibryd tablets?  Same deal.  We want to get an average.  Vibryd.  Vibryd. 

As I said I did pick up the tablets...they had no samples so I had to wait until they got them...have 40+ now...how many would you like me to weight of that amount?

The Viibryd capsules did not come today...hoping tomorrow.  Will weigh those when they come as well. 

I was not clear and apologize...By 'next step' I meant beyond the weighing of the Viibryd...that I am working on...have to have them to weigh them.  Hoping tomorrow will have them all.  I wondered about a next step and If I need to do anything for that so I might get ahead of this game...and also was wanting to know the nest step so I could see how to do the holidays.

Also need to get something to put crushed pills in...if you have ideas on that I would appreciate it

11 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

I don't understand your using your time to chase the Blue Sandoz clonazepam  dream right now.  Or my time.

Im sorry...I dont mean to waste your time.  I was doing that while waiting for the other tablets and capsules to arrive...going to have to get the clonazepam sometime so made some calls etc....if the doctor continues to decide he wants the .2 to go then I will have them to do that.  

 

9 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

And if all is still off......with filler variances and weights of the cc's of Vibryd.......well then, we can consider a cross over to a homemade liquid.

We can deal with that when and if we come to that conclusion.

 Sounds like a plan....thank you again...take care!

[Rabe]

8 hours ago, Rosetta said:

I'm sorry you are so worried about the manufacturer issue on Clonazapam.  I know you had a bad reaction to the dye was it (?) in the other pills not made by Sandoz.  You need them to be blue, I think.  How crazy is it that we can't even have dye?!  Maybe the Sandoz powder will still be available to your compounding pharmacy anyway.   Try not to think about the alternative.  That wont help you.  

 

Try to breathe, Rabe.  Once you get those new Viibryd capsules you can weigh them and get the crossover going.  You send the tablets your doctor gives you to the pharmacy and they make capsules out of the tablets?  They don't get a powder like they do for the benzo?  Is that because you get the tablets for free?  Hopefully things will calm down soon.

Hi Rosetta...I just was using the time I had waiting for the capsules and tablets to try to find the clonazepam as the doctor talks about wanting to drop the .2 Clonazepam dose and I dot want to be caught on that.  We both never thought they would be gone...but there will be a way...

 

Yes, I send the tablets (bless him that they are free cause costs for everything are overwhelming)  and they compound from the Viibryd tablets...no powder for either.  THEY, the compounding pharmacy, get the Sandoz blue tablets to crush and compound with for me but they will not get them and sell them to me..suppose that is money lost for them...or maybe they cant, I dont know.

I would think that they can from what I was told today but the companies..you can only purchase them from pharmacies that buy from McKesson.

I would like not to be caught with the doctor wanting to drop the .2 and have nothing to do that with.

Thank you Rosetta!  Love and hugs!! 💜

[Rabe]

@manymoretodays

Maybe didnt make myself clear re this as well....sorry if did not.  Thing is .... I cant send the viibryd tablets to the compounding pharmacy until I get them from the doctor.  The compounding pharmacy has nothing to work with except what I provide.  The doctor was out of samples (not first time) ...when he got them in I picked them up and  I sent them to the pharmacy and then had to wait for more samples tablets to have for here.,,,and then had to wait for the pharmacy to finish their audit on the other capsules before they completed everything and sent everything to me .  Email today saying they are on way along with the capsules form the last batch that were off. take care MMT. 

[manymoretodays]

10 hours ago, Rabe said:

.how many would you like me to weight of that amount?

 

10 hours ago, Rabe said:

Also need to get something to put crushed pills in...if you have ideas on that I would appreciate it

 

I think weighing 10 would be great. 

You are going to need a container for all 40 of the Viibryd tablets/pills.  As they are samples......I'm wondering if they are given to you in some kind of blister package or standard pill bottle, like the pharmacy would give you?  The amber plastic containers with a lid would be great.  Make sure you keep this batch of 40, all in one container that is clearly marked.

 

Do you have any other clean, dry amber containers that you could use when you get to the crushing phase.  Something with a wide enough mouth so that you can easily remove the lid and get at the contents.  It doesn't have to be huge.

 

And then some tape that you can use to label your containers as well.  So that you know what is in each.

 

 

[Rabe]

@manymoretodays

do you mean the plastic pharmacy containers?  I will get more when I get all my capsules back.  

Does it matter if its plastic or glass?  I think glass was suggested...cause pill parts dont stick r/t static...maybe that was on the you tube scale video.... Cant remember.  If the plastic is ok that I have. Will do with all  you said...thank you! 

[Rabe]

@manymoretodays

11/30 

slept bout 5 hours

0530 woke 

0930 woke

1115 yoga

1145 9mg Viibryd with food

1245 head not right...full and warm...heart skips...irritable

130 walk

145 heart off, dizzy

200 food

215 head feels so off, vision is off, anxiety

230 chills, ears ring, vision off, agitated 

300 some better

430 at grocery suddenly weak, heart off, pale, felt awful

500 some better

530 ate and ran errand

555 .2mg Clonazepam with food

800 head hot, short of breath, anxious, feel really awful

840 .3 premarin with food

1000 fell really bad agian

1115 better

1145 .7 Clonazepam with food

1230 dizzy, pale, heart skips, got better

0100 bath

0200 bed

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rabe]

not package from the pharmacy....thats really annoying

[manymoretodays]

Rabe,

When was your last all over, general check up done?  If it's been awhile.....I'd get one, if I were you.  Hopefully things are okay.......but with the "heart off, heart skips, dizziness" symptoms......better safe than sorry I say. 

 

Plastic is fine with me......on the containers.

Monday for sure on the capsules then! 

 

Have a good one today.

Love, peace, healing, and growth,

mmt

[Rabe]

@manymoretodays

Viibryd

.101,.100, .102, .103, .102, .100, .101, .102, .101, .102, .102, .100, .100, .099, .100, .100, .101

 

Just dumped some in my hand and weighed them....

 

I can get a check up...I feel good in AM and can walk ok and all before the med...but probably good idea.  Thank you MMT!

 

[neroli]

Hi dear Rabe

 

Just popping in to say hello and comment that you are getting there with the meds.  It has been a complicated process for you but you are getting there.  And you will be able to make your cross-overs, then when you are good and settled with those, make your decision as to your reductions.

 

Reading back a bit in your thread has thrown light on my own situation.   The realisation that I could very well be having withdrawal symptoms from the diazepam, which I have been holding since June and had assumed that holding meant I was stabilising but not that I would be getting withdrawals.  Aha.  So, on top of the protracted WD I experienced from 2014, resulting in a physical breakdown early 2017, then further meds. added including benzo, then a taper down by a half from the benzo - it is no wonder that I feel pretty zonked most of the time!  Thanks for the enlightenment.

 

Anyway, hoping your day has been/is ok and that you'll make further progress on the meds.  Sorry to hear that they make you feel so off colour - that's salt in the wound.

 

Thinking of you

 

Neroli 💜

[Rabe]

12/1

Slept 3 hours and then couple more maybe

530 up hot and sweaty

1000 bit anxious

1145 9mg Viibryd with food 

110 feel not right...I know thats non descriptive...slight below lower lip swell...have had before with the meds

120 chills, cold

135 heart skips, feel hot like fever

200 some better

245 food

300 dizzy, feel cant get air, chest hot, increased anxiety 'til 5

500 some better

540 .2mg Clonazepam with food

700 food

715 anxious and depressed

845 .3mg premarin with food, crying

1000 anxious

1030 some better

1100 worse

1115 feel cant get air, head hot

1140 .7 Clonazepam with milk and some food

1155 little off balance

1230 heart skips few beats, stomach hot

115 bit better...to bed

 

 

 

 

[Rabe]

@neroli Hi Neroli...I was just thinking about you and hoping things are getting better for you!!!

Yes, I sure dont look forward to taking these meds at all...none of them.  They have really come to have me a prisoner it feels.  I just dont venture out much because I juset dont feel well most of the time and any stress just makes it all the worse.  SO trying to do some needlepoint and listen to music...hard to feel you are existing rather than living.  I would like to go see my daughter but get worried about not feeling well and how that will affect her so dont go.

For now that is beset I think and then if things settle a bit again perhaps I can go.  

Take care of yoU!!!  💜

[Rosetta]

HI Rabe.  I'm thinking about you.  I'm really sad you are struggling so much, and Ill be glad when you feel better.

[FarmGirlWorks]

Hey @Rabe, thinking of you as well. WD sure is (not) fun, huh?

[manymoretodays]

Hi Rabe,

I get an average from the 17, 10mg tablets, weighed of .100 gram.

So that's good enough for me.  Great.  Keep that batch labeled as "have been weighed".

 

Next up the compounded capsule contents weights, and then average.   Viibryd only please, or I fear exploding head syndrome........kidding, but I can only do math/maths for so long sometimes. 

Then I shall give you the weights you need of each(tablets and ccc), to preload several of your OO capsules, and you can begin your first crossover.

 

And you weighed with the lid up and using the tray provided with your Gemini20 scale?

Make sure you have extra batteries.......I think they were tripleA, or AAA batteries.  It probably doesn't hurt to recalibrate the scale every few days either.......using your 10 gram weights.

Did the scale stay on while you weighed each tab?  I've been reviewing the videos and noting comments around the Gem20, that's the reason I ask.

 

L ,P, H,and G,

mmt

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 2, 2018 by manymoretodays
clarity

[neroli]

11 hours ago, Rabe said:

I just dont venture out much because I juset dont feel well most of the time and any stress just makes it all the worse.  SO trying to do some needlepoint and listen to music...hard to feel you are existing rather than living.

Understand what you mean, Rabe.  I'm so sorry it is hindering your visits to your daughter - and hope that soon you will be well enough to go and see her.  You have needlepoint and I have knitting - a couple of rock 'n' rollers!  Legs have gone up to magnitude 8 and exhaustion, too.  Possibly been pushing things too much.  Must work out a pattern that helps me, rather than flattens me.

 

Sending you best wishes for hanging in and even feeling a bit better.

 

Neroli 💜

[Rabe]

Oh same to you Neroli.  I find water resting these past 2 days I have felt some better...so yes do the some down time!!  Im so sorry about your legs!!

Gosh there has to be something for those....perhaps the rest would help those to?  Take care Neroli!💜

[Rabe]

12 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

I get an average from the 17, 10mg tablets, weighed of .100 gram.

So that's good enough for me.  Great.  Keep that batch labeled as "have been weighed".

 

Have no idea what that means but sound ok...I will label.  

 

12 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

Next up the compounded capsule contents weights, and then average.   Viibryd only please, or I fear exploding head syndrome........kidding, but I can only do math/maths for so long sometimes. 

Then I shall give you the weights you need of each(tablets and ccc), to preload several of your OO capsules, and you can begin your first crossover.

 

They shOULD be here tomorrow.  So I empty them to weigh them?  What do I weigh the contents in?  And then put the contents back in the original capsules? Do I weigh all the capsule contents? Lot of capsules.....well maybe not but will seem so I suspect.  Ill get better.

I have size 0 capsules...they are huge!  I ordered some 1's today.  Is O or OO larger?  If you told me some of this I am so sorry...I have felt so bad last few days that I was not doing anything except trying to breath and eat.  

And then I put some of the compound and some of the tablet into a capsule together?  Hmmmmm...okay. 😳  Scary stuff!!  Thank you MMT.

[Benzhelp]

Hi Rabe, 

 

So sorry to hear of your suffering, you have been through so much. Withdrawal and Tapering can be so hard. Please keep on being gentle with yourself.  Creative activities can be soothing, I am glad to hear you are involved in these. Best wishes on your Tapering Journey. Wishing you speedy recovery and healing. Take good care <3 

[Rabe]

@Benzhelp Thak you so much for your kindness....you take care as well!!!  Bless you!!💜

[manymoretodays]

12 hours ago, Rabe said:

Have no idea what that means but sound ok...I will label.  

 

They shOULD be here tomorrow.  So I empty them to weigh them?  What do I weigh the contents in?  And then put the contents back in the original capsules? Do I weigh all the capsule contents? Lot of capsules.....well maybe not but will seem so I suspect.  Ill get better.

I have size 0 capsules...they are huge!  I ordered some 1's today.  Is O or OO larger?  If you told me some of this I am so sorry...I have felt so bad last few days that I was not doing anything except trying to breath and eat.  

And then I put some of the compound and some of the tablet into a capsule together?  Hmmmmm...okay. 😳  Scary stuff!!  Thank you MMT.

 

I added up the 17 weights that you listed in your post here:

On 12/1/2018 at 2:43 PM, Rabe said:

Viibryd

.101,.100, .102, .103, .102, .100, .101, .102, .101, .102, .102, .100, .100, .099, .100, .100, .101

Then divided that total by 17.  I got an average tablet/pill weight of .100 gram.  I can further calculate the weights, that you will need from that.

 

Yup, empty them(the Vibryd capsule contents) onto the tray, or onto a small piece of paper on the tray so that once weighed you can then transfer the contents back into a marked container.  Why don't you just start with weighing the contents of one capsule.  See how that goes?  Maybe that will decrease the fear factor?

Then.......get me the weights of 14. 

Meantime, you will have your usual capsule to take in the morning.

 

Size 1 capsules are smaller than size 0.  Most here work with size  00, or 000.  They get bigger as the 0 goes up.  You want big.  For ease of filling them.  They are not going to look like any pharmacy capsule when done......they will just be partially filled.

 

Best,

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

 

[Rabe]

@manymoretodays Am I puttig the contents back into the little capsule from the pharmacy or a container??  You lost me...sorry...when you said:

10 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

Yup, empty them(the Vibryd capsule contents) onto the tray, or onto a small piece of paper on the tray so that once weighed you can then transfer the contents back into a marked container. 

 

[Rabe]

12/2

maybe 5 hours...but up so less...up hot and sweaty once and to br once

1100 anxious...yoga

1140 9mg Vuubryd with food

115 stomach not good

200 really tired and cold..nice to be tired!

230 food

315 anxious, got better

400 food

500 ok

540 .2 Clonazepam with food

610 anxious, headache

630 ears ringing louder, head hot

645 c0ld

715 or so just not well...arms, chest, head, eyes..icky

815 better

845 .3 mg Premarin with food

945 anxious

1015 anxious, louder ear ringing,stomach

1030 better

1145 .7mg Clonazepam with milk

could not fall asleep

 

 

 

[Rabe]

12/3

up 5...

1140 9mg Viibryd with food

1200 drove to  daughters

1245 increase anxiety then better

200 food

230 errands. increased anxiety 

300 and then 400 anxiety worse...felt awful - think it picks up ad then I worry

415 drove back...not good drive

515 some better

540 .2mg Clonazepam with food

545 little dizzy

720 some better- ears ring loud, legs burn, head warm and off

830 food

855 .3mg Premarin and food

1030 short of breath, head warm, ears ring so loud, chest and stomach hot, 

1100 dont feel well

1135 .7mg Clonazepam with milk

1200 better...took bath which felt good...to bed

 

 

 

[Rabe]

Today had really difficult day after the Viibryd...unwell rest of day.  Love to all...take care!💜

[Shep]

18 hours ago, Rabe said:

1140 9mg Viibryd with food

1200 drove to  daughters

1245 increase anxiety then better

200 food

230 errands. increased anxiety 

 

4 hours ago, Rabe said:

Today had really difficult day after the Viibryd...unwell rest of day

 

Looks like you did a lot - going to your daughter's and then running errands. 

 

Not sure that the Viibryd is to blame for being unwell but rather, all of the activity. Be sure to give yourself credit for getting out and doing things and then take your uptick in symptoms in context. It's important to learn that some of our symptoms are triggered by what we do during the day and not due to the drug. 

 

This is important to understand because it will help you understand your symptoms and how your mind/body is reacting to external stress. You may want to plan your days that you only do one thing that triggers your anxiety and stress levels, such as visit your daughter one day and do your errands on another day. That way it's not so overwhelming to your nervous system. 

 

And again, give yourself credit for getting out and accomplishing things while dealing with withdrawal symptoms. 

[manymoretodays]

Morning Rabe,

I'm still waiting on the weight of even just one of your Viibryd compounded capsule contents.

Have you opened one up and weighed it?

I'm not certain what you are confused about? I did see your post notification to me.

 

I'm assuming that you've gotten some comfort in using your scale now.

You empty one capsule onto the tray provided,  and then read the weight, off the display, and record it somewhere on paper. 
. 

Then you weigh the remaining 13(I asked that you weigh 14), and report here, all 14 weights

 

 

You need to store the weighed contents in a container that is marked  Vibryd compounded capsule contents.

These capsule contents each contain 9mgai Viibryd.

mgai=milligram active ingrediant

The weights will be in grams when you read and report them, as that's what the scale reads.

 

Meantime.....HOLDING, HOLDING I hope.

 

Best,

L, P, H, and G,

mmt