HAa: tapering Effexor and buspirone

[Altostrata]

Your notes are good. Other than alerting in the morning, you haven't had any uncomfortable symptoms for 3 days? Nothing happens after you take your drugs?

[HAa]

17.10.

6.30pm Got up (awake 4.30) Less mindracing. Could calm me down

8pm breakfast 

8pm Buspiron 3mg Efexor 75mg lamotrigin 100mg

11pm Increasing anxiety, restless, presure and mind and heart racing. Cant calm myself

11.30pm Lunch and going to the kajakclub. Still unease as above

2am Wintebathing - 15 minutes with less anxiety and then again anxiety, mind and heartracing and meninglessness is commimg back

3am Rowing for 2 hours - calm

7am Dinner and Buspiron 3,5mg lamotrigin 100mg - Anxiety and meninglessness. What ever is to become of all this. 

 

[HAa]

15 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Your notes are good. Other than alerting in the morning, you haven't had any uncomfortable symptoms for 3 days? Nothing happens after you take your drugs?

Yes I had 3 good days, and then out of the blue it all returns and I have a hard time to contain it.

It was a little less painfull the last mornings also today. But today the anxiety and hopelessness just kept building up in the midmorning - None of mu strategies kept me calm for more than while I was in the midle of it (rowing - swimming)

I have not taken oxapax for a few days. Can that be why it all come back?

Some days it increase after I have taken the medication - some days it is beareble

[Altostrata]

1 minute ago, HAa said:

I have not taken oxapax for a few days. Can that be why it all come back?

 

What came back? Your symptoms today?

 

9 minutes ago, HAa said:

17.10.

6.30pm Got up (awake 4.30) Less mindracing. Could calm me down

8pm breakfast 

8pm Buspiron 3mg Efexor 75mg lamotrigin 100mg

11pm Increasing anxiety, restless, presure and mind and heart racing. Cant calm myself

11.30pm Lunch and going to the kajakclub. Still unease as above

2am Wintebathing - 15 minutes with less anxiety and then again anxiety, mind and heartracing and meninglessness is commimg back

3am Rowing for 2 hours - calm

7am Dinner and Buspiron 3,5mg lamotrigin 100mg - Anxiety and meninglessness. What ever is to become of all this. 

 

 

Are you getting up in the evening and having dinner the following morning at 7 a.m.?

[HAa]

Yes It is the symptoms that came back

 

Sorry. I might get it wrong with am and pm

I get up in the morning and have dinner same day in the evening. 

Pm untill noon and am after noon?

 

just realised I have written it the wrong way. 

Am before noon and Pm after noon. No wonder you got confused....

 

And yes it comes in waves the symptoms / anxiety - meningslessness and pinds and needels burning sensation in my upper legs cryingspels and so on.

It is the same with just small variations. It was like this before tapering and now during tapering

It is like pushing a button. On of on of. Sometimes beareble sometimes out of control. 

And then I get scared = fear for the anxiety when the symptoms start, and that just makes it it go skyhigh..

[HAa]

18.10.

6.15am Woke (awake at 4.30) Fear for the day. Mindracing - pins and needles. - Can’t calm me downz

8.00am Breakfast and Buspiron 2,9mg (miscalculation se below) Effexor 75mg

Lamotrigin 100mg Symptoms continiue

9.30am Winter bathing - some calm

11.30am In the Kajakclub still Uneasy and restless pressure, 

11.30am Lunch Talked to some friends in the club. - A little calm

12am Restless and pressure 

12pm Volunteer work - Calm just a little uneasy

2pm Home reading - restless pressure 

4pm Therapy working with accepting being with what is - calm at ease

5.15pm - Symptoms reappear

5.15 buspiron 3,5mg Lamotrigin 10mg

6.30pm visiting a friend and dinner - calm and at ease for the rest of the evening 

9.45pm Home

11pm to bed

 

19.10

1am Awake - Calm

4.30am Awake - Calm

5.30am Awake - Unease

6.30 Awake - unease 

7.30am got up - mind raising pressure sad. Loose / wateryI stool - 

8.30am breakfast 

8.30am buspiron 3mg Efexor 75mg lamotrigin 100mg

 

I just realized that I by miscalculation have taking 2,9mg buspiron in the last two days in the mornings instead of 3mg. (on the 17th and 18th October)

I useually have loose stool and many times awake during the nights for a couple of days/ weeks when I have tapered. 

 

Today I made sure I was measuring correct and took 3mg buspiron.

Edited October 19, 2018 by HAa
I have added the dosis buspiron I actually to by mistake.

[HAa]

19.10

9am Anxiety mind racing continues and left upper leg pulsation snurring Cant contain myself

10.15am  oxapax 7,5mg. Some effect

10.30am Rowing - symptoms continue

11.15.am Lunch  a little less uneasy

11.30 am Winterbathing - calm for most of the afternoon

3pm Took a nab

4pm Went to the club - some unease

5pm Instruction seniors on rowing machines  - sad meningsless

6.30pm Dinner with a friend  - som calm

7pm Buspiron 3,5mg, lamotrigin 100mg

10pm went to bed - calm

 

20.10.

6.15am  - Got up - Short mind raicing Prepared for rowing trip - Some unease, legs num and pulsating snurring in left upper leg

6.30am Loose stool x 2

6.30 Breakfast - Buspiron 3mg effexor 75mg, lamotrigin 100 mg

7.30am Went to the club and met with the other rowers, and draw to meeting point - hectic, stressed -unease

10am Started the trip Rowed to the destination 8km - unease stressed - mind racing

12.30 Lunch mind racing restless sad - could not calm me down

1.pm 7,5mg oxapax some effect 

2pm started rowing back still unease

3pm calm

3.30pm back from rowing - driving back to club

4.30pm coffee in the club - went home - somewhat calm still snurring in left upper leg

6pm dinner buspiron 3,5mg, lamotrigin 100mg calm

10pm worked when the anxiety will retur, thinking what medication that i could take to make the tapering less painfull, if I ever will be able to regulate myself

11.30pm Went to bed some uneasy and mind racing

 

21.10.

1am Awake 

4am Awake

5.30am Awake

6.30am Woke with just a little mindracing, no snurring just tingeling in both feed . Anxiety got worse through the next hour, as I got worried when the mode as usually would reappear

6.45am Loose stool able to regulate myself somewhat by accepting and refocusing on the here and now, Got to think on something else than how I feel, It is such a nice thing when I succeed by doing nothing but observing the thoughts and so

8am Breakfast Buspiron 3mg, effexor 75mg lamotrigin - somewhat calm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HAa]

 

On 10/21/2018 at 8:44 AM, HAa said:

21.10.

1am Awake 

4am Awake

5.30am Awake

6.30am Woke with just a little mindracing, no snurring just tingeling in both feed . Anxiety got worse through the next hour, as I got worried when the mode as usually would reappear

6.45am Loose stool able to regulate myself somewhat by accepting and refocusing on the here and now, Got to think on something else than how I feel, It is such a nice thing when I succeed by doing nothing but observing the thoughts and so

8am Breakfast Buspiron 3mg, effexor 75mg lamotrigin - somewhat calm, but the negative thoughts and pressure is in the background and the feer for the next minute

9am Winter swimming  - unease sad -restless, crying

10am Kajakklub  - restless pressure, anxious  can't contain myself crying legs "burning sensation" and snurring

11am 7,5mg oxapax  - calmed 

3pm Anxiety restless, crying, pressure, burning sensation i upper left leg, and pins and needles i both feed

5pm Dinner  - Buspiron 3,5mg Lamotrigin 100mg

7.30pm 7,5mg oxapax. Could not contain myself, crying, anxious, restless, pressure burning sensation in upper left leg, legs feeling num and snurring - Calm  

10pm To bed

 

22.10.

1.45.am Awake - calm

4.45 am Awake  - anxiety

6.45 am Get up - Anxiety, crying, restless legs burning and pinds and needles

8 am Breakfast - Buspiron 3mg Effexor 7mg Lamotrigin 100mg  - symptoms above continues

8 am Talked to terapist  - somewhat calm 

9-11.30 am Restless unease pressure As soon as I sit down the mind i racing, Upper left leg nom and pulsation snurring

11.30 am  Volunteer work - calming a little but still restless and sad

1.30 pm Lunch Crying, no rest, walking around can't sit still, upper left leg still snurring

1.30 pm 7,5mg oxapax  - talked to therapist  - Could leave the thoughts and just let them be - Calm 

3-6 pm Friend visiting - Still calm and at ease

6pm Dinner, somewhat restless and tension - buspiron 3,5mg Lamotrigin 100mg, Magnesium oil - Calmed down at ease the rest of the evening

7.30 Got very sleepy - watching news - and dosed off

10.30 pm To bed

 

23.10.

1 am Awake

4 am Awake

6.30 am Got op - Restless, sad, pressure

7 am Breakfast Buspiron 3mg Effexor 75 mg lamotrigin 100mg, Mg oile - calmed down 

7-8 am Tighting up the house

8 - 10 am Mentor visiting - calm

10.30 am Some tension and mind start racing 

11-11.30 am Lunch. Writing my notes - a little calmed

11.30 am Friend visiting - 

 

The pattern is still the same, symptoms comes and goes and are much depending on what I do. When I am occupied and not too much I am more at ease. When I sit down the mind start racing, and the anxiety building up. Or the tension starts and the mind start racing and the fear for the anxiety builds up.

After I split the dosis of lamotrigin to 100x 2 on the 24. september I have been awake two og three times at night. Else it hasn't changed the symptom pattern, I think

I have started mg oil yesterday, I got some effect as I got sleepy and calm. I will continue and see if it is helping my to calm down and sleep better.

 

[HAa]

 

21 hours ago, HAa said:

The pattern is still the same, symptoms comes and goes and are much depending on what I do. When I am occupied and not too much I am more at ease. When I sit down the mind start racing, and the anxiety building up. Or the tension starts and the mind start racing and the fear for the anxiety builds up.

After I split the dosis of lamotrigin to 100x 2 on the 24. september I have been awake two og three times at night. Else it hasn't changed the symptom pattern, I think

I have started mg oil yesterday, I got some effect as I got sleepy and calm. I will continue and see if it is helping my to calm down and sleep better.

 

Hi Altostrata

Should I continue to post daily notes og should I just write if something new occur. The new the last week is that I have gotten this physical symptoms of nomness and burning sensation in my left leg and snurring in both legs. Perhaps it is because I split the dosis on the 24. september. Nothing else in medication is changed,

[HAa]

23 hours ago, HAa said:

Hi Altostrata

Should I continue to post daily notes og should I just write if something new occur. 

I sleep better after starting mg oil.

Still waking up at 1 and 4 am but my sleep is more relaxed. 

 

Could I post my notes only if something new occur??

 

I am still holding all tapering. 

[HAa]

Pleace will someone reply to my posting. I am worried that somerhing is wrong and thar my notes for thw last week and some has nor gorren through

[Carmie]

Hi HAa, 

 

Your notes are on here. If you want someone in particular to look at them you have to tag them. Put an @ in front of their name n some boxes will come down n their name will show. You then press on the box n they will get a notification. Their name will be blue in your message.

 

Im sorry you’re getting numbness n burning sensations in your legs. We all get the weirdest symptoms. I’ve had pain in withdrawals too, burning mouth, earaches and toothpain. They all eventually went away. Things come n go n they can come back again. 

 

All we can can do is take each moment as it comes n when waves are bad we have to distract ourselves. It’s an extremely hard journey but we will all get there in the end. 

 

Sending hugs🤗

[HAa]

 

@Altostrata

Will you reply to my notes for the past week.

i didnt know I should mark your name in order for you to get a notification. 🙂

[HAa]

36 minutes ago, Carmie said:

Hi HAa, 

 

Your notes are on here. If you want someone in particular to look at them you have to tag them. Put an @ in front of their name n some boxes will come down n their name will show. You then press on the box n they will get a notification. Their name will be blue in your message.

 

Im sorry you’re getting numbness n burning sensations in your legs. We all get the weirdest symptoms. I’ve had pain in withdrawals too, burning mouth, earaches and toothpain. They all eventually went away. Things come n go n they can come back again. 

 

All we can can do is take each moment as it comes n when waves are bad we have to distract ourselves. It’s an extremely hard journey but we will all get there in the end. 

 

Sending hugs🤗

Thank you 🤗 

[HAa]

I did put Altostrata on as you adwised. But I cant see the post I send  with her @name marked. Will it only be her you will be able to see it?

[HAa]

Oh. I see I by mistake deleted the content when I pushes reply 😏

I will edit the note and send it again. 

[Carmie]

9 minutes ago, HAa said:

I did put Altostrata on as you adwised. But I cant see the post I send  with her @name marked. Will it only be her you will be able to see it?

 

Hi HAa, 

 

No, everything you post on here will be seen by everyone.

 

Again, Im sorry you’re in so much pain. I hope it subsides a bit soon. I had a burning mouth for a couple of months but it went away.

 

Take care💚

[HAa]

Thank you for sharing. 

Hiw long are you holding betwen tapering?

I had some of the symptoms before starting tapering so I I cant actually say when the symptoms are less because of holding or because I the symptoms I used to have just have gotten more intense during the last 6 years or so. That was why I wanted to start tapering. 😏 I have been destracting my self the most of my life in order to calm me down and not getting caught up in the anxiety and depression. I am worn down  and the more I try to distract the more hectic I get. 

So I am training to just let it be and take in the good that is also there.  But the waves are there allmost all the time.

So I think that my childhood trauma is activated and what I have been running away from is no longer possible to run away from. I have Been working with my history and my reactions in therapy during most of my adulthood. And I am stuck in this not being able to let it be and let it go.

Now Using mg oil and it helps on my sleep. 

And doing all the recomended conserning living healty ( food, exersise, being social, and taking in the good. )

These last days the dark thoughts have been a little less. But rhe fear for the anxiety and the anxiety is still being very painfull

[Carmie]

3 minutes ago, HAa said:

Thank you for sharing. 

Hiw long are you holding betwen tapering?

I had some of the symptoms before starting tapering so I I cant actually say when the symptoms are less because of holding or because I the symptoms I used to have just have gotten more intense during the last 6 years or so. That was why I wanted to start tapering. 😏

 

Hi again HAa, 

 

Ive had a break from tapering for many months as I had a lot of things coming up, including a holiday n I really wanted to do those things. The last two months I’ve had lots of waves n withdrawals because I changed from a tablet to a compounding capsule.

 

I was water titrating a 25mg tablet n I got down to 7.5mg so I decided to get a 7.5mg compounded capsule n taper that. Changing over caused withdrawals, not only because it was a different medium but also because measurements might not be exactly the same. I noticed that syringes from different manufacturers could be quite different in measurement. 

 

Ive always done the cut and hold thing. The last cut n hold things were around five percent, I can’t do ten percent. After each cut I would hold a month or more. I haven’t tapered since I joined SA in April. The last cut before then I didn’t hold long enough n I payed for that. Since being in SA here I realised I needed to be more careful. 

 

When i finally stabilise after changing to compounded formula I’m going to taper at 1.25% a week for a month n then hold for two weeks as per the brassmonkey slide. I will tweak it though eventually. It’s a day at a time n you have you experiment to see what you can cope with. 

 

Im a bit braindead at the moment but when I’m able to I’ll read over your thread. 

 

Sendng sunshine your way☀️☀️☀️

 

 

[HAa]

Take care and again thank you for sharing. 

I am also there where when I next time will microtaper.  It was calming talking to you.

Hugs 

[Shep]

On 10/17/2018 at 2:32 PM, HAa said:

I have not taken oxapax for a few days. Can that be why it all come back?

 

HAa, you may be dependent on the benzo now. You are taking it more than the 5-8 times per month as listed in your signature, sometimes you are doubling the dose and taking two 7.5 mg pills a day. 

 

And then you skip days. Please note that oxapax (Oxazepam) has a half-life of 4 - 15 hours (Wiki - Oxazepam) so you're likely dealing with both withdrawal symptoms on the days you skip it and inter-dose withdrawal (withdrawal in between doses) on the days you do take it, and possibly rebound anxiety.

 

You've done a great job of keeping notes, and these are the days you recorded taking it:

 

Sept 19 - Sept 21

Sept 25 - Sept 26

Sept 28 

Oct 2

Oct 4

Oct 9 - Oct 14

Oct 19 - 20

Oct 22 - Oct 23

 

Just in October, you've taken one or two doses for 12 out of 26 days.  At this point, you may want to take a steady dose of oxapax every day instead of bouncing around so much. It's very hard to give taper advice to members who are using periodic benzo use to this degree. 

 

If you do go on a daily dose of oxapax, you'll need to taper it carefully once you are off the Effexor. 

 

If you decide to stop using it, you'll need to find non-drug methods of coping. 

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

 

[HAa]

Thank you..

I will need to study the link (non drug calming) more carefully than I did last time, as I think the underlying emotions are comming forward as I have reduced the buspiron during the last year.

I see your point on oxapax, and it might be the solution to take et daily. I am worried though that I might come to the situation where I will need a higher dosis going to be on this for a long time...

What is your expirience concerning     the nees for increasingly higher dosis of oxapax?

 

Will it be ok not to write daily notes unless something new occur? It is tough to confront myself with the missery and I do so when I am writing. 

I could write when I take oxapax and if the bumping is decreasing if I take it daily 

Or I could post on good days?

What do you think?

[Shep]

5 minutes ago, HAa said:

I will need to study the link (non drug calming) more carefully than I did last time,

 

Make sure to try the breathing techniques and things that are calming for anxiety such as mindfulness videos. 

 

Also, are you able to tolerate fish oil and  / or magnesium? Not sure if this has been mentioned on your thread or not, so I'll post it here. We don't recommend a lot of supplements, as many members report their nervous systems are simply too fragile to handle them. However, magnesium and fish oil tend to be calming to the nervous system and many people report they do help. Please only add in one supplement at a time and at a small dose. For more, please see:

 

King of supplements: Omega-3 fatty acids (fish oil)

 

Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker

 

7 minutes ago, HAa said:

I see your point on oxapax, and it might be the solution to take et daily. I am worried though that I might come to the situation where I will need a higher dosis going to be on this for a long time...

What is your expirience concerning     the nees for increasingly higher dosis of oxapax?

 

You're already experiencing this - you're taking more and more not only on a daily basis, but some days taking more than one dose.

 

Whether or not you would be better off simply stopping the oxapax will depend on how dependent you already are. Unfortunately, there's no way of knowing this ahead of time, so you'll need to decide if you can cope not only with the already difficult symptoms you have, but increased symptoms from benzo withdrawal. 

 

That's why the mods and Alto have mentioned multiple times on your thread from when you first came into the forum that you can become dependent on benzos in only 2 - 4 weeks. 

 

14 minutes ago, HAa said:

Will it be ok not to write daily notes unless something new occur? It is tough to confront myself with the missery and I do so when I am writing. 

I could write when I take oxapax and if the bumping is decreasing if I take it daily 

Or I could post on good days?

What do you think?

 

Please keep notes on paper if you don't keep them on SA. It's important to note your symptoms in case you do have questions and need feedback. If it's triggering to do so online, then keep a diary or use Word to privately jot down your daily notes. 

 

And definitely make note of when you take the oxapax. 

 

Whenever you start to feel anxious, one of the best non-drug coping techniques is to "change the channel":

 

"Change the channel" -- dealing with cognitive symptoms

 

[HAa]

So how to go about the increasing dosis of oxapax if I choose to take it daily?

 

I have started using mg Oil. I think it helps me to sleep better.

I took mg theronite.. for a year and stoped in the spring 2018,

since I did not think it was helping anymore as I got lower i buspiron dosis.

I eat salmon and herring everyday - But I will start taking fishoile as well.

I use breathing exercises and doing trauma yoga. 

I have been using mindfulness a year ago. I will try it again ( I stopped because I got even more lost in my thoughts and feeling out of my body) 

 

I did all this also before I started tapering and before I got the oxapax perscribed as needed. 

 

So I guess I will have to find new ways to deal with my intrusive thoughs and turmoile emotions witch have been there on of all my life dispite the drugs I have been on for so many years.

 

I have been shifting Chanals doing this and that in order to keep myself buzzy. Now I am trying to do less and being mindfull of all the good in my life. I am struggeling so much. Fighting myself... Fighting the emotional pain - I know my childhood trauma. Nothing new to reweal - So I am trying not to get lost in the old pattern of running around trying to find somewhere safe to stay.

I am working on it.

 

[Shep]

1 hour ago, HAa said:

I have started using mg Oil. I think it helps me to sleep better.

 

Please add this to your drug and symptoms journal (the next time you post one) and to your signature. Also, include any other supplements you are using. 

 

1 hour ago, HAa said:

So how to go about the increasing dosis of oxapax if I choose to take it daily?

 

What does "increasing doses of oxapax" mean?

 

If you choose to take it daily, you would need to take it 3 or more times a day to prevent interdose withdrawal (going into withdrawal in between doses due to the short half life). Since you regularly are taking 7.5 mg, you could divide that up to 2.5 mg taken 3 times a day. 

Edited October 26, 2018 by Shep
fixed typo

[Altostrata]

On 10/24/2018 at 11:27 PM, HAa said:

I sleep better after starting mg oil. 

Still waking up at 1 and 4 am but my sleep is more relaxed. 

 

Could I post my notes only if something new occur??

 

What oil do you mean?

 

If you are taking oxapax, we need to see your notes every day.

 

From what I can tell, you are now getting interdose symptoms from oxapax. If you stop taking oxapax altogether for a few days, you may be able to avoid dependence on oxapax. You would not be taking it at all, even if you want it. (The craving indicates true addiction.)

 

If you stop oxapax for a few days, you may feel worse symptoms -- or you may not.

 

Otherwise, you are headed towards dependency on oxapax and, as @Shep said, you should take it on a strict schedule every day. I regret having to make this recommendation; if you take oxapax every day, you will definitely become dependent on it, and that could cause even more problems if you want to go off all the drugs. Plus, becoming dependent on oxapax could mean you have even worse interdose symptoms.

 

You have a difficult choice. Please let us know how you're doing. Please continue posting your daily symptom pattern.

[HAa]

On 10/23/2018 at 11:29 AM, HAa said:

23.10.

1 am Awake

4 am Awake

6.30 am Got op - Restless, sad, pressure

7 am Breakfast Buspiron 3mg Effexor 75 mg lamotrigin 100mg, Mg oile - calmed down 

7-8 am Tighting up the house

8 - 10 am Mentor visiting - calm

10.30 am Some tension and mind start racing 

11-11.30 am Lunch, Mg spay, Writing my notes - a little calmed

11.30 am Friend visiting - Praying together  - crying and tension 

2pm In the garden Resting - calm

4pm Visiting friend  - crying, tension, talked of my condition - calmed down

6pm Dinner and buspiron 3,5mg lamotrigin 100 mg mg spay

8pm drove home - as soon as I sat in the car my mind start racing, restless - tension - thinking of all the times during my life, where I had it like now. Hopeless

11pm No rest - went to bed- mg spray

 

The pattern is still the same, symptoms comes and goes and are much depending on what I do. When I am occupied and not too much I am more at ease. When I sit down the mind start racing, and the anxiety building up. Or the tension starts and the mind start racing and the fear for the anxiety builds up.

After I split the dosis of lamotrigin to 100x 2 on the 24. september I have been awake two og three times at night. Else it hasn't changed the symptom pattern, I think

I have started mg oil yesterday, I got some effect as I got sleepy and calm. I will continue and see if it is helping my to calm down and sleep better.

  

24.10. @Altostrata @Shep

 

1am, 4am Awake and restless

6-7.30am Got up mg oil spray in the garden - mindracing, tension, restless - Got to think of what I wanted to do for the day - calmed a little

8am breakfast buspiron 3mg, effexor 75mg, lamotrigin 100 mg

9am Winter bathing - calm  - mg spray

10am Snack - still calm

11am traume yoga - got really norsius- had urge to womit - calm down

1pm lunch still calm - mg spray 

3 - 7pm pm Friend visiting - dinner buspiron 3mg lamotrigin 100mg, massage  - calm

7 - 10pm calm spray

10pm To bed

 

25.10.

1am, 4am, 5am Awake

6am Got up - mg spray tension, mindracing, sad and worried - sat in the garden, listening to the sounds, accepting the emotions and feelings - a little calm

8am Breakfast buspiron 3mg effexor 75mg, lamotrigin 100mg -  tension 

10am mg spray tension and mindracing building up

10.30am 7,5mg oxapax - calmed somewhat down

11am Daugther and grandchild visiting - calm

10.30 Lunch calm

1am Volunteer work concentrated on this - calm

3pm Therapy working on acceptance  some unease - but calm after this

6pm Friend visiting, dinner - buspiron 3,5mg lamotrigin 100mg - talking and listening to music - calm

10.30pm mg spray Went to bed calm

 

26.10.

1am,3am Awake

6am Got up - tension, mindracing, restless, thinking of the past and the future 

8am breakfast, buspiron 3mg, effexor 75mg, lamotrigin 100mg unease, mg spray

9- 11am Rowing, winter bathing - calm

1pm drove to therapy - unease thinking about the parst - tension restless - mg spray

2-3pm therapy - told my history - crying, irritated, not met

3pm Drove home - relaxed and thinking this is no good

4.30 -7pm. Dinner buspiron 3,5mg, 100mg lamotrigin, mg spray - mostly calm

9-11.30pm tension building up

11.30 To bed mg spray

 

27.10.

1-6am Awake every hour

6am Got up mindracing - past and future, sad - sitting in the garden trying to accept and focusing on here and now 

8am Breakfast buspiron 3mg effexor 75mg, lamotrigin 100mg

8.30am read the post and started updating my notes - focus on this and deciding going winter bathing - somewhat calmer, when I focus on the task I am doing and on what I want to do

9.30.am Laundry 

[HAa]

12 hours ago, Altostrata said:

What oil do you mean?

@Shep @Altostrata

I made a solution 50/50 mg flakes and water

I spray 10-15 sprays 3 times a day 

 

12 hours ago, Altostrata said:

If you stop oxapax for a few days, you may feel worse symptoms -- or you may not

I will stop taking oxapax even if i get craving. I haven't had craving before. I will post daily notes and tell you how it goes -

Shall I wait to change my profile on what I take of oxapax?

[Shep]

16 hours ago, Altostrata said:

What oil do you mean?

 

3 hours ago, HAa said:

I made a solution 50/50 mg flakes and water

I spray 10-15 sprays 3 times a day 

 

3 hours ago, HAa said:

10.30pm mg spray

 

 

Please let us know EXACTLY what you are taking. Is "mg" magnesium? Or is "mg" milligrams? We need to know what you are taking 3 times a day.

 

 

3 hours ago, HAa said:

I will stop taking oxapax even if i get craving. I haven't had craving before. I will post daily notes and tell you how it goes -

Shall I wait to change my profile on what I take of oxapax?

 

What do you mean by "change my profile"? 

 

I'm glad you are going to stop the oxapax. I'm going to post one of ChessieCat's posts to another member listing some great videos by Dr. Claire Weekes. I think you'll find them very helpful for handling symptoms without adding in benzos. 

 

 

6 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

Audio:  How to Recover from Anxiety - Dr Claire Weekes

 

There are many YouTube videos if you type in Claire Weekes.

 

These are the links to the longer videos/audio book.  Not sure if they are different:

 

 

 

 

 

[HAa]

3 hours ago, Shep said:

What you are taking 3 times a day and what do you mean by changing your profile

Magnesium oil solution 50/50 magnesium flakes and water.

 

By change profil I ment were I should write the curremt medication. Should I change it now and write I stoped oxapax ?

I did put in the magnesium Oil   

 

And thanks for the links and the post.

 

I am doing ok today. Have been training most of the afternoon and I am still calm. 

[Shep]

 

31 minutes ago, HAa said:

By change profil I ment were I should write the curremt medication. Should I change it now and write I stoped oxapax ?

I did put in the magnesium Oil   

 

Yes, please add the date you started taking oxapax, note that it was used periodically, and the date you stopped. 

 

Also, please write out "magnesium" in your signature instead of "mg". 

 

32 minutes ago, HAa said:

I am doing ok today. Have been training most of the afternoon and I am still calm. 

 

That's great news, HA. I hope you continue to do well. 

[Allreadygone]

Hello @HAa I’m new to site having a very brutal time rn lowering Effexor,lamictal,remeron I was reading your thread are u still tapering.?

[HAa]

Hallo @Allreadygone

yes I am and I am holding for another month og two in order ti settle my system.

I feel sorry for you, that you also have to struggle so much.

Sending hugs your way🤗

[Allreadygone]

Thx for gettin back as u know this is a lonely battle no one understands.i read ur thread u mentioned u started tapering due to adverse effect,what were your symptoms.I had similar experience with added drugs and became completely unstable.Same thing happen last month as I started taper again in 2017 went to fast missed some doses and again I’m in dark place.intrusve thoughts,depression,anxiety,Depersonalization,inner restlessness,less sleep although it’s been bad since Effexor 25 yrs ago @HAa

[HAa]

On 10/27/2018 at 9:37 AM, HAa said:

27.10.

1-6am Awake every hour

6am Got up mindracing - past and future, sad - sitting in the garden trying to accept and focusing on here and now 

8am Breakfast buspiron 3mg effexor 75mg, lamotrigin 100mg Magnesium oil 

8.30am read the post and started updating my notes - focus on this and deciding going winter bathing - somewhat calmer, when I focus on the task I am doing and on what I want to do

9.30.am Laundry 

11am Magnesium oil spray, Fish oil 5ml Lunch Shopping, winterswimming - Tension, unease mindracing 

1-5.30pm Working out - rowing with a friend- Calm at ease hopefull relaxed

6pm Dinner buspiron 3,5mg Lamotrigin 100 mg - Calm

7-10pm Unease pressure 

11pm Magnesium oil spray. To bed

28.10.

1-6am Awake every hour

6.45am Got up, mindracing - Could settle my thoughts - Calm

7am Breakfast Buspiron 3mg Effexor 75mg Lamotrigin 100mg, Fish Oil 5ml

8am Magnesium oil spray  - Calm

9am -6pm Some unease the rest of the day

Noon Lunch 

2pm Working out . Calm while exercising 

3pm Snack  

6pm Dinner - Buspiron 3,5mg, Lamotrigin 100mg 

10pm To bed Magnesium Oil spray

 

Ok day. Some unease and mindracing - but bearable. 

 

[Altostrata]

Have you stopped taking oxapax? If so, how has your symptom pattern changed since you stopped?