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I am breaking the rules of this site but wonder if we can keep this here until 14 feb when it closes.

 

I believe this is an unbelievably important submission. It is an urgent invitation to please make a submission if you feel you have been harmed in anyway by these drugs.

 

Lets all submission dump on these people so they get the message and a glimpse of the numbers harmed. 

 

Also my feeling is this is important, for if we can get just one government to say hey we got a huge problem here something isn't right -we got serious dependance and withdrawal issues and we gonna stop the harm, then that could well set a precedent for other petitions to other governments .

 

It doesn't have to be long you could even just copy and paste your intro first post and tweak it slightly for getting the message of harm across. 

 

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you one and all.  

 

One again this is not a time to talk about history this is the time to make history.

Thankyou so much in advance.

NZ11

 

Lets not leave it till the last day.

 

 

On 28/01/2018 at 1:11 PM, Vanora said:

In case people have missed this I'd like to ask again if any of you might want to submit something for our petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

 

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

 

 

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Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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submission done

nz11


Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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Big thank you to nz11 for spreading the word about our petition. I think the committee members and even the clerks who deal with our submissions are genuinely moved by what they have read, we are having an impact. As nz11 says this doesn't have to be more than a few paragraphs but don't spare them how terrible it is.

 

It will take them about a week to acknowledge your email as the amount of clerks they have to deal with this is quite small. Be aware that because of data protection you can't name people such as doctors unless of course you have their permission. In fact if you know of any doctors/psychiatrists willing to give us some backing that would be fantastic too. So far Professor John Read, Prof David Healy, and Dr Terry Lynch are among the more notable names to have contributed. You have until the 15th of February and I want to thank everyone who feels able to help advance our cause, they can't say they weren't informed of the harms of antidepressants and benzos.

   


1979 put on Clomipramine.
Failed attempt to withdraw from Clomipramine started on Seroxat 1992.
1997 Effexor replaces Seroxat after failed withdrawal.
2011 fail to withdraw from Effexor despite combined use of Prozac and Seroquel. Started on Cymbalta.
Anxiety not resolved by Cymbalta so taper off by 28th March 2012. Left on 10mg Buspirone and 1 quarter of 5mg Diazepam.
Anxiety at times very severe. 19th May take my first half of a 5mg Lamictal.

As of 5/11/2013, off all psychiatric drugs. Doing better but hope for more healing yet.

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I will write there also when I get up from the bath :-)


05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free-

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Thank you Vanora for great work!


05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free-

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That would be great Martina.

This is an opportunity to be heard we have the ear of a government.

So far in 12 hours according to this thread we have just one person who feels they have been harmed. 

Is everyone else happy with their doctor caused plight idk . I for one am not! 

 

Remember Law 101 'silence is not acceptance' so lets not be silent.

Also Law 101 something about a snail in a beer bottle i recall....oh yeah 'every customer is owed a duty of care' 

Lets bring it to their attention that the duty of care has been totally absent. 

 


Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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How can I support - I sure would like to. 

 


75 mg Efexor xr at 8 am from 2007 

10mg x2 Buspiron from 2007 

300 mg Lamotrigin 8am from 2016

 

16.9.2018 Current medication 

75 mg Effexor XR 8am 

200 mg Lamotrigin 8am 

3mg +3.5 mg Buspiron 7,5 mg Oxapax 7,5mg periods from january 2018. 25.10 Stop

21.10. Magnesiumoil 24.10.Fish-oil 

4.11. 7am 7,5mg oxapax

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I submitted my contribution. I didnt precisely mention the doctor but I placed there the example of control study which was made by financially dependent doctor.  It was  not possible to explain it other. I asked them to keep it anonymous so hopefully they will not misuse it, and when yes, I think, it was necessary to tell the truth, how we can tell the truth when we can  not name anything, say anything etc. The criminals they have always more rights. So lets see. The history was done. My contribution is on their table.


05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free-

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1 hour ago, HAa said:

How can I support - I sure would like to. 

 

 

All you need do HAa is to tell your story; how it came about you were prescribed the drug, the side effects you experienced and any other drugs prescribed, and also the difficulties you had trying to withdraw. Did you for example get any help or not from a doctor or psychiatrist, just the whole works really. Once written send via email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. You are restricted to 3 sides of A4 but don't hold back in detailing the hell of withdrawal. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous and remember you cannot name for legal reasons any doctors you may have consulted unless you have their permission which would require a separate email from them.

 

You can read for yourself previous submissions at this link but you should be warned that many are a distressing read:  http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651  

 

Thank you HAa, your support is much appreciated.

 


1979 put on Clomipramine.
Failed attempt to withdraw from Clomipramine started on Seroxat 1992.
1997 Effexor replaces Seroxat after failed withdrawal.
2011 fail to withdraw from Effexor despite combined use of Prozac and Seroquel. Started on Cymbalta.
Anxiety not resolved by Cymbalta so taper off by 28th March 2012. Left on 10mg Buspirone and 1 quarter of 5mg Diazepam.
Anxiety at times very severe. 19th May take my first half of a 5mg Lamictal.

As of 5/11/2013, off all psychiatric drugs. Doing better but hope for more healing yet.

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1 hour ago, Martina23 said:

I submitted my contribution. I didnt precisely mention the doctor but I placed there the example of control study which was made by financially dependent doctor.  It was  not possible to explain it other. I asked them to keep it anonymous so hopefully they will not misuse it, and when yes, I think, it was necessary to tell the truth, how we can tell the truth when we can  not name anything, say anything etc. The criminals they have always more rights. So lets see. The history was done. My contribution is on their table.

 

Thank you so much Martina23 it sounds completely relevant, supporting evidence is very welcome. I think I can assure you that your anonymity is safe with the clerks of the petitions committee. Unfortunately we have to abide with the rule of the law, no way round it I'm afraid but by providing your submission you are doing your part in bringing us all that bit closer to calling time on the injustice of prescription drug dependence and withdrawal. Wouldn't it be good if we were part of a turning point in history. We can but hope.  

 


1979 put on Clomipramine.
Failed attempt to withdraw from Clomipramine started on Seroxat 1992.
1997 Effexor replaces Seroxat after failed withdrawal.
2011 fail to withdraw from Effexor despite combined use of Prozac and Seroquel. Started on Cymbalta.
Anxiety not resolved by Cymbalta so taper off by 28th March 2012. Left on 10mg Buspirone and 1 quarter of 5mg Diazepam.
Anxiety at times very severe. 19th May take my first half of a 5mg Lamictal.

As of 5/11/2013, off all psychiatric drugs. Doing better but hope for more healing yet.

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I'm working on my submission.  Will let you know when ive emailed it. K 


  • Citalopram 20mg - 40mg ~ approx 2010 - October 2015 (stopped over one week)
  • Parnate  20mg - 50mg and olazapine 5mg ~ Jan 2016 - May 2016 (ceased over 2 days) 
  • Lithium 450mg-900 mg and Thyroxin ~May 2016 - May 2017
  • Diazepam various doses (including PRN) ~ 2015 - 2017
  • Oxazepam various doses (including PRN) ~ May 2016 - June 2016
  • Lurasidone 20mg ~Mid May 2016 - Mid June 2016
  • Vortioxetine 10mg - 20mg ~ 6th June 2016 - 20th July 2016 (abruptly ceased)
  • Amitriptyline 200mg ~July 2016 - September 2016 (ceased over 1 week)
  • Nortriptyline  (dose ?) ~October 2016 ~ November 2016 (abruptly ceased)
  • Seroquel XR 100mg - 300mg ~ May 2016 - August 2017 (ceased over 3 weeks)
  • Escitalopram 10mg - 30mg ~ August 2016 - March 2017 (ceased over 2 weeks)
  • Bupropion 300mg ~ December 2016 - May 2017 (ceased over 1 week)
  • Clonazepam 1.5mg daily ~ July 2016 (started tapering May 2017 - September 2017 currently on 0.375mg..ie 0.125mg TDS) 27th May 2018 5% 0.357mg (possible paradoxical reaction - see benzo thread)  28th June 5% 0.337mg, 28th July 10% 0.303mg, 12th September10% 0.272mg, 18th September reinstated 10% due to intolerable WD 0.303mg, 1st October-11th Oct 10% (1% reduction over 10 days) 0.272mg, 22nd October clonazepam ceased crossed over 10mg diazepam
  •  Dexamphatamine 20mg ~ December 2016 (started tapering October 2017 - tapered 1.25mg 4th Dec 2017, 1.25mg 19th Dec 2017 6.25mg, Speed up decrease due to major interaction between Dex and fluoxetine- ref to thread 10% 17th Feb 2018 5.63mg, 10% 21st Feb 2018 5.1mg, 10% 26th Feb 2018 4.5mg 10% 28th Feb 4.1mg, 10% 1st March 3.7mg, 10% 5th March 3.3mg, 10% 8th March 3mg, 10% 10th March 2.7mg, 10% 12th March 2.4mg, 10% 14th March 2.16mg, 10% 16th March 1.94mg, 10% 18th March 1.74mg, 10% 20th March 1.57mg, 10% 21st March 1.41mg, 10% 22nd March 1.26mg, 10% 23rd March 1.13mg, 10% 24th March 1.01mg, 10% 25th March 0.9mg, 10% 27th March 0.81mg, 10% 29th March 0.73mg, 10% 31st March 0.66mg, 10% 2nd April 0.59mg , 10% 4th April 0.53mg, 10% 6th April 0.47mg, 10% 8th April 0.42mg, 10%10th April 0.37mg, 11th April 0.2mg, 12th April 0.1mg (last dose) OFF! 
  • Fluoxetine 40mg ~December 2016 -.31 Jan 2018 reduced to 20mg (probable serotonin toxicity) 10th March 2020 10mg, 7th April 9mg, 1st May 8.5mg, 15th May 8.0mg, 27th May 7.5mg, 8th Sept 7.2mg, 2nd Oct 7mg
  • Diazepam 10mg ~ 22nd Oct 2018, 10th November 8mg, 14th Nov 7mg, 8th December 6mg, 30th December 5mg (Nocte), 7th March 2019 4.5mg,14th March 4mg, 5th April 3.5mg, 9th April 3mg, 18th April 2.5mg,1st May 2mg, 17th May 1.75mg, 25th May 1.6mg, 4th June 1.59mg, 5th June 1.58mg, 6th June 1.57mg, 7th June 1.56mg, 8th June 1.55mg, 22nd June 1.4mg, 4th July 1.2mg, 16th July 1mg, 30th July 0.8mg, 13th Aug 0.6mg, 28th Aug 0.4mg, 10th Sept 0.2mg, 23rd Sept Off! 
  • SR Circadin 2mg (melatonin) 25th May - 20th June 
  • Zolpidem 10mg 25th May (7 tablets)
  • Supplements: Magnesium glycinate (soluble - sip throughout the day) 

 

"Whenever you feel yourself doubting how far you can go,  just remember how far you have come.  Remember everything you have faced, all the battles you have won, and all the fears you have overcome"    Unknown 

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1 hour ago, Martina23 said:

I submitted my contribution. I didnt precisely mention the doctor but I placed there the example of control study which was made by financially dependent doctor.  It was  not possible to explain it other. I asked them to keep it anonymous so hopefully they will not misuse it, and when yes, I think, it was necessary to tell the truth, how we can tell the truth when we can  not name anything, say anything etc. The criminals they have always more rights. So lets see. The history was done. My contribution is on their table.

 

Sorry about this Martina23 but the penny has dropped, you're talking about the anonymity of the doctor behind the control study right? It isn't necessary to keep that anonymous it's more the prescribing doctor I'm talking about, it's the danger of being sued! A number of us have provided supporting evidence by using references to pieces of research, that's definitely ok. I hope I've cleared that up for you.


1979 put on Clomipramine.
Failed attempt to withdraw from Clomipramine started on Seroxat 1992.
1997 Effexor replaces Seroxat after failed withdrawal.
2011 fail to withdraw from Effexor despite combined use of Prozac and Seroquel. Started on Cymbalta.
Anxiety not resolved by Cymbalta so taper off by 28th March 2012. Left on 10mg Buspirone and 1 quarter of 5mg Diazepam.
Anxiety at times very severe. 19th May take my first half of a 5mg Lamictal.

As of 5/11/2013, off all psychiatric drugs. Doing better but hope for more healing yet.

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25 minutes ago, Kristine said:

I'm working on my submission.  Will let you know when ive emailed it. K 

 

👍 Fantastic K.


1979 put on Clomipramine.
Failed attempt to withdraw from Clomipramine started on Seroxat 1992.
1997 Effexor replaces Seroxat after failed withdrawal.
2011 fail to withdraw from Effexor despite combined use of Prozac and Seroquel. Started on Cymbalta.
Anxiety not resolved by Cymbalta so taper off by 28th March 2012. Left on 10mg Buspirone and 1 quarter of 5mg Diazepam.
Anxiety at times very severe. 19th May take my first half of a 5mg Lamictal.

As of 5/11/2013, off all psychiatric drugs. Doing better but hope for more healing yet.

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4 hours ago, Martina23 said:

submitted my contribution.

You're the best Martina


Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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2 hours ago, Kristine said:

I'm working on my submission.  Will let you know when ive emailed it.

 

Thankyou K

 


Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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Sorry people we have been moved off the leader board.

This is now a repeat of vanoras thread so maybe it should be merged.

 

Every submission is gold. 

nz11

 


Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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How to submit? Practical where do I do it. Is there a link?


75 mg Efexor xr at 8 am from 2007 

10mg x2 Buspiron from 2007 

300 mg Lamotrigin 8am from 2016

 

16.9.2018 Current medication 

75 mg Effexor XR 8am 

200 mg Lamotrigin 8am 

3mg +3.5 mg Buspiron 7,5 mg Oxapax 7,5mg periods from january 2018. 25.10 Stop

21.10. Magnesiumoil 24.10.Fish-oil 

4.11. 7am 7,5mg oxapax

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7 minutes ago, HAa said:

How to submit? Practical where do I do it. Is there a link?

 

It's quite easy HAa. Write out your submission as an email and send to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Good luck and if you have any problems let me know.


1979 put on Clomipramine.
Failed attempt to withdraw from Clomipramine started on Seroxat 1992.
1997 Effexor replaces Seroxat after failed withdrawal.
2011 fail to withdraw from Effexor despite combined use of Prozac and Seroquel. Started on Cymbalta.
Anxiety not resolved by Cymbalta so taper off by 28th March 2012. Left on 10mg Buspirone and 1 quarter of 5mg Diazepam.
Anxiety at times very severe. 19th May take my first half of a 5mg Lamictal.

As of 5/11/2013, off all psychiatric drugs. Doing better but hope for more healing yet.

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Send by email to :

petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading.

 

Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous

 

Put your story onto a word document and then email as an attachment to the above email address.


Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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oh Vanora you just bet me to post oh well . They say things have to be repeated several times to get the message across.

 

 


Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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👍 You did a far better job of putting things across than me nz. 


1979 put on Clomipramine.
Failed attempt to withdraw from Clomipramine started on Seroxat 1992.
1997 Effexor replaces Seroxat after failed withdrawal.
2011 fail to withdraw from Effexor despite combined use of Prozac and Seroquel. Started on Cymbalta.
Anxiety not resolved by Cymbalta so taper off by 28th March 2012. Left on 10mg Buspirone and 1 quarter of 5mg Diazepam.
Anxiety at times very severe. 19th May take my first half of a 5mg Lamictal.

As of 5/11/2013, off all psychiatric drugs. Doing better but hope for more healing yet.

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You're doing a great job too Vanora.


Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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I signed the petition a while back and do live in Scotland, but unsure whether submitting my own experiences would help or how I feel about the proposed solution of a national helpline. I watched the committee discuss this and was gobsmacked by the blatant contradictions of the government psychiatrist and minister for mental health.

But I have some reservations about submitting my own experience of withdrawal, and concerns about the proposed solution of a national helpline. It's not as simple as writing a description of withdrawal symptoms, bad as they are. 

 

My main issue is with antipsychotics which do also cause dependence and withdrawal, but

                                                            - the petition is about antidepressants and benzos which are commonly prescribed by GPs and taken by a high percentage of the population.

                                                         - Antipsychotics are not (yet) dished out in the same way, we can't talk about a public health issue in the same way.

                                                           - I was originally prescribed them via the mental health system, not GPs as is the case for the drugs in the petition.

                                                            -my GP has allowed me to taper at my own rate and acknowledged withdrawal, and sought advice from psychiatry when my meds                                                                   suddenly became unavailable and I asked for a substitute..which is in line with what the govt pdoc said should happen

                                                            -It has been accepted that since I have been on these drugs many years, that dependence occurs.

If I was to write about these experiences, it would appear that things are working quite well and would not help the case that we need extra support for withdrawal.

 

Regarding a national helpline

                  - there is a severe shortage of GPs in Scotland, something like a third are due to retire in the next 5 years, so it would take pressure off GPs if a helpline was available and for that reason I support it

                  - but a helpline wouldn't suit everyone eg people with conditions such as autism, learning difficulties, complex medical conditions - these populations are often prescribed antipsychotics and antidepressants (and greatly harmed by them) - but I don't think a generic helpline such as proposed would help such people, and I fall into that category. Personally I want individualised, local support - and organisations offering such support are losing their funding. I will still need support after I come off my meds and a helpline won't offer that.

 


  • 1991-1998 Haldol, olanzapine; 1996-2014 diazepam; 1999-present procyclidine 12.5mg, trifluoperazine (Stelazine/TFP)
  • 2015 - Oct 2017 :taper Trifluoperazine (TFP) 7.7mg to 3.4mg 
  • Nov 2017: TFP suddenly unavailable - CT! 
  • Jan 2018 :TFP back in stock as liquid ~4mg per day 
  • June 2018:~3mg TFP 
  • Oct 2018 :~2mg TFP 
  • Mar 2019: ~1mg TFP
  • Apr 2019: ~0.7mg TFP
  • 21st May: 0.4mg

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Hi data17,  First off I want to say thank you for signing our petition and yes, gobsmacked is a good description of how most of us felt. Antipsychotics are obviously the drugs you have the most issues with but I note you were also taking diazepam at one stage. Our campaign's focus is on antidepressants and benzodiazepines merely because they form the majority of our experiences but polypharmacy is often the norm. I was briefly prescribed Seroquel in antidepressant withdrawal and I'm so very glad that it was short term. Perhaps you might write highlighting more the benzo side of things if you felt it relevant. Our concern is that people have informed consent. Joanna Moncrieff makes the point that antipsychotics are sometimes useful in acute situations but not so much in the long-term. Knowledge makes all the difference and GPs I've found are pretty ignorant though my own introduction to antidepressants actually came about through psychiatry.  Good to hear you that you are getting appropriate help from your doctor data17, as I'm sure you are aware this isn't unfortunately, a universal experience among antipsychotic users but I wish you the best of luck with your withdrawal.

 

The points you make about the national helpline are very valid and I agree the more complex cases would require the input from medical sources knowledgeable about withdrawal. That I suppose is the crux of the matter, we need knowledgeable people and that has to mean including the prescribed drug community who are experts through experience and that's what we would be pressing for. The helpline and website would only be the first port of call, we would hope that people would then be directed to local support services. As you say the problem is the funding for such services. REST is one of the few withdrawal charities in the whole of the UK and it's set to lose its funding, I think this tells you the kind of reluctance on the part of government to help prescribed drug dependence. In Scotland the situation is even more dire, I can't think of anything resembling the likes of REST or Barry Haslam's Oldham Tranx which was originally for benzo users but now deals with as many seeking help with antidepressants. There is however a second reason behind our petition, we aim to get recognition for the long-term harms of these drugs and increase the awareness among politicians and the public for their lack of efficacy.

 

If you think you could submit something for our petition that would be very welcome data17, every single submission could help start the ball rolling towards getting a helpline but that would be just the beginning.            


1979 put on Clomipramine.
Failed attempt to withdraw from Clomipramine started on Seroxat 1992.
1997 Effexor replaces Seroxat after failed withdrawal.
2011 fail to withdraw from Effexor despite combined use of Prozac and Seroquel. Started on Cymbalta.
Anxiety not resolved by Cymbalta so taper off by 28th March 2012. Left on 10mg Buspirone and 1 quarter of 5mg Diazepam.
Anxiety at times very severe. 19th May take my first half of a 5mg Lamictal.

As of 5/11/2013, off all psychiatric drugs. Doing better but hope for more healing yet.

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just wanted this back in the no.1 spot.


Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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On 1/30/2018 at 9:23 PM, Vanora said:

Hi data17,  First off I want to say thank you for signing our petition and yes, gobsmacked is a good description of how most of us felt. Antipsychotics are obviously the drugs you have the most issues with but I note you were also taking diazepam at one stage. Our campaign's focus is on antidepressants and benzodiazepines merely because they form the majority of our experiences but polypharmacy is often the norm. I was briefly prescribed Seroquel in antidepressant withdrawal and I'm so very glad that it was short term. Perhaps you might write highlighting more the benzo side of things if you felt it relevant. Our concern is that people have informed consent. Joanna Moncrieff makes the point that antipsychotics are sometimes useful in acute situations but not so much in the long-term. Knowledge makes all the difference and GPs I've found are pretty ignorant though my own introduction to antidepressants actually came about through psychiatry.  Good to hear you that you are getting appropriate help from your doctor data17, as I'm sure you are aware this isn't unfortunately, a universal experience among antipsychotic users but I wish you the best of luck with your withdrawal.

 

The points you make about the national helpline are very valid and I agree the more complex cases would require the input from medical sources knowledgeable about withdrawal. That I suppose is the crux of the matter, we need knowledgeable people and that has to mean including the prescribed drug community who are experts through experience and that's what we would be pressing for. The helpline and website would only be the first port of call, we would hope that people would then be directed to local support services. As you say the problem is the funding for such services. REST is one of the few withdrawal charities in the whole of the UK and it's set to lose its funding, I think this tells you the kind of reluctance on the part of government to help prescribed drug dependence. In Scotland the situation is even more dire, I can't think of anything resembling the likes of REST or Barry Haslam's Oldham Tranx which was originally for benzo users but now deals with as many seeking help with antidepressants. There is however a second reason behind our petition, we aim to get recognition for the long-term harms of these drugs and increase the awareness among politicians and the public for their lack of efficacy.

 

If you think you could submit something for our petition that would be very welcome data17, every single submission could help start the ball rolling towards getting a helpline but that would be just the beginning.            

 

Thank-you Vanora for your reply. I have been thinking this over, re-read the petition and associated documents, read the Scottish Govt's 10 year strategy for mental health.

 

Regarding my benzo use, it was largely intermittent and I was made aware of the dangers of dependence, so I would say there was informed consent. When I did end up dependent anyway (because of a gap in other services), it was noted after a couple of years and I was not forced to stop, but allowed to taper as I wanted. I would say there is pretty good awareness of the dangers of benzos, especially by the younger doctors. My withdrawal was certainly much worse than expected. Without BenzoBuddies I would have concluded that I was someone who needed these meds, but I didn't taper to a very low dose as recommended. 

However, from reading the transcript of the discussion on Jan 18th, benzo dependence was acknowledged straight off, and I don't think this is such a big problem.

 

I think the real issue here is antidepressants.

The pdoc adviser dismissed there is any problem beyond mild "discontinuation" - denying that tolerance exists, when I've read here of people having to increase doses or swap meds due to "poop out"; then reluctantly conceded he believes peoples "descriptions" of their experiences are sincere ( he's come across nutters like this in his psych clinic); then says that it would be impossible to study the extent of the problem because there's a spectrum of experiences.

 

I don't have anything to add to what people have already said, but I am watching this closely.  


  • 1991-1998 Haldol, olanzapine; 1996-2014 diazepam; 1999-present procyclidine 12.5mg, trifluoperazine (Stelazine/TFP)
  • 2015 - Oct 2017 :taper Trifluoperazine (TFP) 7.7mg to 3.4mg 
  • Nov 2017: TFP suddenly unavailable - CT! 
  • Jan 2018 :TFP back in stock as liquid ~4mg per day 
  • June 2018:~3mg TFP 
  • Oct 2018 :~2mg TFP 
  • Mar 2019: ~1mg TFP
  • Apr 2019: ~0.7mg TFP
  • 21st May: 0.4mg

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3 hours ago, data17 said:

 

Thank-you Vanora for your reply. I have been thinking this over, re-read the petition and associated documents, read the Scottish Govt's 10 year strategy for mental health.

 

Regarding my benzo use, it was largely intermittent and I was made aware of the dangers of dependence, so I would say there was informed consent. When I did end up dependent anyway (because of a gap in other services), it was noted after a couple of years and I was not forced to stop, but allowed to taper as I wanted. I would say there is pretty good awareness of the dangers of benzos, especially by the younger doctors. My withdrawal was certainly much worse than expected. Without BenzoBuddies I would have concluded that I was someone who needed these meds, but I didn't taper to a very low dose as recommended. 

However, from reading the transcript of the discussion on Jan 18th, benzo dependence was acknowledged straight off, and I don't think this is such a big problem.

 

I think the real issue here is antidepressants.

The pdoc adviser dismissed there is any problem beyond mild "discontinuation" - denying that tolerance exists, when I've read here of people having to increase doses or swap meds due to "poop out"; then reluctantly conceded he believes peoples "descriptions" of their experiences are sincere ( he's come across nutters like this in his psych clinic); then says that it would be impossible to study the extent of the problem because there's a spectrum of experiences.

 

I don't have anything to add to what people have already said, but I am watching this closely.  

 

No doubt given our staggering numbers of antidepressant prescriptions this issue is rapidly overtaking the benzo problem but I think the benzodiazepine scandal has never really gone away as much as I would like to think it had data17. I actually think the victims deserve a public inquiry and people like Barry Haslam have been campaigning for this for nearly 30 years, every successive government have done nothing other than make sympathetic noises. I've got some data from the BMA on UK prescribing patterns for benzos so that you get a better picture of what is actually going on.

 

- there were 12 million benzodiazepine prescriptions in 2015, costing over £50 million

- there has been an increase in very long-term (over 100 days) benzodiazepine prescribing, but no change (or a slight decline) in the proportion of benzodiazepine prescribing periods that were just over 30 days

- the number of 16-80 year old patients taking benzos and Z-drugs over the long-term (more than one year) is 0.69% - when applied to nationwide patient numbers this projects that there are between 265,000 and 295,000 patients taking benzodiazepines or Z-drugs over the long-term in the UK

- 35% of all patients taking benzodiazepines or Z-drugs are taking these drugs long-term - at least 12 times longer than the BNF (British National Formulary) recommendation of 2-4 weeks

 

Of course this represents a significant drop from the 300 million benzo prescriptions issued between 1960 and 1977 (at the time the CRM claimed that only 28 people were dependent on these drugs!) but neither is it negligible. 

 

I wrote to the Scottish government about my concerns about the long-term prescribing of benzos, this is what they had to say: "Medical student teaching now emphasises that benzodiazepines have an important place in treatment but should not be overused or continued indefinitely. They can, however, be highly effective in treating a variety of conditions including anxiety disorders. Sometimes an active decision is made to maintain a patient on them." There is nothing about this statement that leads me to believe they have any understanding of benzo tolerance.

 

The Dept of Health back in 2011 commissioned 2 reports into prescribed tranquillisers one from the National Addiction Centre and the other from the National Treatment Agency and a certain Prof John Strang co-authored the NAC report but he failed to report pharma interests such as Genus/Brittania which manufactures Ativan and Clonmel Healthcare which manufactures Zopiclone and Zoplpidem. (He wasn't the only one involved who had pharma links). One of the co-investigators in a current project looking into the long-term prescribing of dependence forming medicines is, would you believe, Prof John Strang!

 

Wyeth the original manufacturer of Ativan provided no warnings over the risk of dependence until 1988 even though it knew about the problem in 1972. Bear in mind that my mother was prescribed this drug in the 1990s and was probably taken off cold turkey without my knowledge in a nursing home. Doctors it would seem are still not keeping to the 2-4 week CSM guidelines issued in 1988. As for benzo tapering advice I had to give my present GP - a man probably in his early 40s - the Heather Ashton Protocol, he had never heard of her and I suspect he isn't just an isolated case. I wonder how patients have been switched over from benzos to an antidepressant or had an antidepressant added. 

 

If you want hear an incredible example of downright ignorance and denial take a listen to this 2011 BBC Radio 4 programme where Dr Clare Gerada a former Chair of the Royal College of General Practitioners downplays benzo withdrawal. Her psychiatrist husband Prof Sir Simon Wessely, former president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists likes to talk about the "under treatment" of depression. You can probably tell where he is on the SSRIs. 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b012wxxw  

 

As for Dr John Mitchell's take on antidepressant prescribing, he is a prime example of the medical profession, and psychiatry in particular, downplaying a massive problem. Sound familiar? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

  


1979 put on Clomipramine.
Failed attempt to withdraw from Clomipramine started on Seroxat 1992.
1997 Effexor replaces Seroxat after failed withdrawal.
2011 fail to withdraw from Effexor despite combined use of Prozac and Seroquel. Started on Cymbalta.
Anxiety not resolved by Cymbalta so taper off by 28th March 2012. Left on 10mg Buspirone and 1 quarter of 5mg Diazepam.
Anxiety at times very severe. 19th May take my first half of a 5mg Lamictal.

As of 5/11/2013, off all psychiatric drugs. Doing better but hope for more healing yet.

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Thanks for posting NZ, I've pinned it to the top until Feb 14. My psychiatric nightmare started in Scotland so I will be joining in. 


**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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3 hours ago, mammaP said:

Thanks for posting NZ, I've pinned it to the top until Feb 14. My psychiatric nightmare started in Scotland so I will be joining in. 

 

Thank you for allowing nz11's post to remain pinned to the top until the final day for submissions which is actually the 15th February. My psychiatric hell began and ended in Scotland so you have my sympathies. Lets hope we get to see the beginning of change in Scotland mammaP, something positive from out of the nightmare 


1979 put on Clomipramine.
Failed attempt to withdraw from Clomipramine started on Seroxat 1992.
1997 Effexor replaces Seroxat after failed withdrawal.
2011 fail to withdraw from Effexor despite combined use of Prozac and Seroquel. Started on Cymbalta.
Anxiety not resolved by Cymbalta so taper off by 28th March 2012. Left on 10mg Buspirone and 1 quarter of 5mg Diazepam.
Anxiety at times very severe. 19th May take my first half of a 5mg Lamictal.

As of 5/11/2013, off all psychiatric drugs. Doing better but hope for more healing yet.

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After many drugs and experiments it was decided that I was 'treatment resistant'.  I was sectioned a few times and had lots of ECT because I was getting worse despite treatment.  That started in '94.  About 2 or 3 years ago I found a paper written by my psychiatrist in Scotland calling for voluntary euthanasia or assisted suicide for patients suffering from treatment resistant depression. There is a link on this site somewhere. Back then I would have been up for it! It makes me shudder o think of it. 


**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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22 minutes ago, mammaP said:

After many drugs and experiments it was decided that I was 'treatment resistant'.  I was sectioned a few times and had lots of ECT because I was getting worse despite treatment.  That started in '94.  About 2 or 3 years ago I found a paper written by my psychiatrist in Scotland calling for voluntary euthanasia or assisted suicide for patients suffering from treatment resistant depression. There is a link on this site somewhere. Back then I would have been up for it! It makes me shudder o think of it. 

Yikes MP ,psychiatry is up there with a despicable history like the catholic church ,lets just hope we are on the downward curve of the psychiatry  power  also .


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5 hours ago, Vanora said:

 

No doubt given our staggering numbers of antidepressant prescriptions this issue is rapidly overtaking the benzo problem but I think the benzodiazepine scandal has never really gone away as much as I would like to think it had data17. I actually think the victims deserve a public inquiry and people like Barry Haslam have been campaigning for this for nearly 30 years, every successive government have done nothing other than make sympathetic noises. I've got some data from the BMA on UK prescribing patterns for benzos so that you get a better picture of what is actually going on.

 

- there were 12 million benzodiazepine prescriptions in 2015, costing over £50 million

- there has been an increase in very long-term (over 100 days) benzodiazepine prescribing, but no change (or a slight decline) in the proportion of benzodiazepine prescribing periods that were just over 30 days

- the number of 16-80 year old patients taking benzos and Z-drugs over the long-term (more than one year) is 0.69% - when applied to nationwide patient numbers this projects that there are between 265,000 and 295,000 patients taking benzodiazepines or Z-drugs over the long-term in the UK

- 35% of all patients taking benzodiazepines or Z-drugs are taking these drugs long-term - at least 12 times longer than the BNF (British National Formulary) recommendation of 2-4 weeks

 

Of course this represents a significant drop from the 300 million benzo prescriptions issued between 1960 and 1977 (at the time the CRM claimed that only 28 people were dependent on these drugs!) but neither is it negligible. 

 

I wrote to the Scottish government about my concerns about the long-term prescribing of benzos, this is what they had to say: "Medical student teaching now emphasises that benzodiazepines have an important place in treatment but should not be overused or continued indefinitely. They can, however, be highly effective in treating a variety of conditions including anxiety disorders. Sometimes an active decision is made to maintain a patient on them." There is nothing about this statement that leads me to believe they have any understanding of benzo tolerance.

 

The Dept of Health back in 2011 commissioned 2 reports into prescribed tranquillisers one from the National Addiction Centre and the other from the National Treatment Agency and a certain Prof John Strang co-authored the NAC report but he failed to report pharma interests such as Genus/Brittania which manufactures Ativan and Clonmel Healthcare which manufactures Zopiclone and Zoplpidem. (He wasn't the only one involved who had pharma links). One of the co-investigators in a current project looking into the long-term prescribing of dependence forming medicines is, would you believe, Prof John Strang!

 

Wyeth the original manufacturer of Ativan provided no warnings over the risk of dependence until 1988 even though it knew about the problem in 1972. Bear in mind that my mother was prescribed this drug in the 1990s and was probably taken off cold turkey without my knowledge in a nursing home. Doctors it would seem are still not keeping to the 2-4 week CSM guidelines issued in 1988. As for benzo tapering advice I had to give my present GP - a man probably in his early 40s - the Heather Ashton Protocol, he had never heard of her and I suspect he isn't just an isolated case. I wonder how patients have been switched over from benzos to an antidepressant or had an antidepressant added. 

 

If you want hear an incredible example of downright ignorance and denial take a listen to this 2011 BBC Radio 4 programme where Dr Clare Gerada a former Chair of the Royal College of General Practitioners downplays benzo withdrawal. Her psychiatrist husband Prof Sir Simon Wessely, former president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists likes to talk about the "under treatment" of depression. You can probably tell where he is on the SSRIs. 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b012wxxw  

 

As for Dr John Mitchell's take on antidepressant prescribing, he is a prime example of the medical profession, and psychiatry in particular, downplaying a massive problem. Sound familiar? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

  

Vanora, this makes me so depressed this ignorance. That they say that "hm, sometimes benzos are effective long term", no problem that the people will get addicted, they dont even understand the level of suffering they are bringing to the people and the worst is by such ignorance from the side of government it is even hard to sue.

 

By such ignorance it makes me feel to give it up and not to try to show them which deceit these drugs are. They will understand it when they get poisoned themselves.

 


05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free-

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1 hour ago, mammaP said:

After many drugs and experiments it was decided that I was 'treatment resistant'.  I was sectioned a few times and had lots of ECT because I was getting worse despite treatment.  That started in '94.  About 2 or 3 years ago I found a paper written by my psychiatrist in Scotland calling for voluntary euthanasia or assisted suicide for patients suffering from treatment resistant depression. There is a link on this site somewhere. Back then I would have been up for it! It makes me shudder o think of it. 

 

Dear Lord mammaP, that's horrendous and very sinister coming from a shrink, how many might actually be in withdrawal like you. Wow! I came close to being sectioned myself and ECT was mentioned but I managed to dodge the bullet. They were talking about sending me to Dundee at one stage, there they have advanced interventions for severe mental health disorders and mostly that means neurosurgery like vagus nerve stimulation. It's weird isn't it, at a time of universal toxic chemical psychiatry we also have procedures that wouldn't be out of place in the dark ages.      


1979 put on Clomipramine.
Failed attempt to withdraw from Clomipramine started on Seroxat 1992.
1997 Effexor replaces Seroxat after failed withdrawal.
2011 fail to withdraw from Effexor despite combined use of Prozac and Seroquel. Started on Cymbalta.
Anxiety not resolved by Cymbalta so taper off by 28th March 2012. Left on 10mg Buspirone and 1 quarter of 5mg Diazepam.
Anxiety at times very severe. 19th May take my first half of a 5mg Lamictal.

As of 5/11/2013, off all psychiatric drugs. Doing better but hope for more healing yet.

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1 hour ago, Martina23 said:

Vanora, this makes me so depressed this ignorance. That they say that "hm, sometimes benzos are effective long term", no problem that the people will get addicted, they dont even understand the level of suffering they are bringing to the people and the worst is by such ignorance from the side of government it is even hard to sue.

 

By such ignorance it makes me feel to give it up and not to try to show them which deceit these drugs are. They will understand it when they get poisoned themselves.

 

 

Yeah, it makes me depressed as well Martina23. Benzos have been around since the early 60s and still there is ignorance at the very highest levels of government, it beggars belief. But you know government advisers from within psychiatry - and how many of them are linked to pharma - influence policy on what gets prescribed and they have little concern for acknowledging patient experience, people like us don't appear on their radar. I'd have quite a few doctors, psychiatrists and a fair few politicians take a benzo combined with an antidepressant and maybe even an antipsychotic like Seroquel for about a year and then have them follow official tapering guidelines and see how they get on. That would be interesting. 

 

We can't give up Martina23, there are lots more potential victims waiting down the line, little kids on psych drugs. I can't bear to think about it.  


1979 put on Clomipramine.
Failed attempt to withdraw from Clomipramine started on Seroxat 1992.
1997 Effexor replaces Seroxat after failed withdrawal.
2011 fail to withdraw from Effexor despite combined use of Prozac and Seroquel. Started on Cymbalta.
Anxiety not resolved by Cymbalta so taper off by 28th March 2012. Left on 10mg Buspirone and 1 quarter of 5mg Diazepam.
Anxiety at times very severe. 19th May take my first half of a 5mg Lamictal.

As of 5/11/2013, off all psychiatric drugs. Doing better but hope for more healing yet.

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Hooray we are permanently bumped to the top ....


Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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Hooray also cos got a local survivor a non sa member to submit a story.....we are getting the job done Vanora little by little. 


Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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