India: withdrawal (dissociation) after 9 years on citalopram

[Carmie]

11 hours ago, India said:

Thank you Carmie. Appreciate this. How are you?

 

Hi India, 

 

How are you doing? I’m sorry you had a panic attack, that must have been awful. If you decide to eventually measure your meds on scales instead of continuing to use the water please do a crossover. I’m in the midst of doing one from a compounding capsule back to my original tablet, and it’s gone pretty well so far. When I originally changed from tablet to the compounding formula I went through about three months of waves because I didn’t do a crossover. 

 

The He way you do it is:

 

3/4 of the old formula.                         1/4 of the new formula.

 

1/2 of the old formula.                          1/2 of the new formula.

 

1/4 of the old formula.                            3/4 of the new formula.

 

Then all new formula, in your case the tablets. 

 

You do each phase for about 3 days to a week. I’ve actually been doing each phase a bit longer than a week. I’m on phase three at the moment, the next phase is back to my old tablet. I actually water titrate, and I’ll be glad when I don’t have to make up two different water titrations every night. I’m nearly there.

 

I’m glad the passiflora helped you a bit after the panic attack. Again, I’m so sorry you’ve been so terrified, I wish I could take everyone’s pain away.

 

Sending  hugs💚

 

 

 

 

[India]

I need to write up my symptom notes, which always seems so hard. I have a brain block around it. 

 

No one has replied which seems to compound my lonely feeling but I know it's because I haven't been commenting on other's threads enough.

 

i sometimes feel like I am hitting my head against the wall. My therapist seemed to understand but in my last session I told her a one day 1mg increase had left me with a load of bad symptoms, she suggested I go up from 6mg to 10mg because I that's what I was on before. I felt upset, I told her if that would work I would do it. She says she accepts withdrawal but she called this cns destabilisation " a strange relationship with my medication". She feels it's more symbolic of me wanting to have control over those that have medicated me. At times like this I feel lost in a sea of isolation. 

[withhopeinmyheart]

Oh India, 

 

I understand! Back then, when I tried to increase by a total of 0.25 mg it almost killed my brain. And maybe even me. It was horrible. 

Talked to a doctor on the phone who knows about withdrawal but even he tried to downplay this reaction as side effects. 

People who aren't in this can't possibly imagine how horrible it feels. 

They hear the symptoms but are unable to see and feel the whole picture. 

[India]

Weak in bed

Wednesay  6th Feb

10am awoke 

dr 8/10

anxiety 7/10

brain fog 8/10

anhedonia 8/10

depression 9/10

chills 8/10

12 ate lunch

 

rest 3-7

rage/anger 7/10 whilst not being able to complete basic tasks like washing a plate 

deep breathing 7pm 

dr reduced to 4/10

as did anxiety

others constant 

ate 9pm

took meds 10pm 1.15ml of citalopram - old brand "focus", in date 

chill 10/10 had to use hairdryer on my body to try and warm up

 

@withhopeinmyheart thank you so much for replying as I know you are suffering. I'm so weak , will reply tomorrow. No one knows how extreme these symptoms are, you are right, except those experiencing them. I felt some thoughts of "can I go on, feeling this ill day in day out". I got through them but I often fear that I am over.

[India]

@withhopeinmyheart do you get chills?

[kirby]

Good luck with recovering!

[withhopeinmyheart]

I sometimes get little chills but definitely not as strong as you and others do. 

 

Sending hugs

[India]

Thursday's 7th Feb 

10am awoke 

DR 7/10

anxiety 7/10

memory issues 7/10

coordinarion problems 7/10

chills 8/10

pain 7/10

11 breakfast 

12 swimming and walking 

above symptoms improve to 5/10

4pm therapy  symptoms at 5/10

6pm taxi home stress increases 

symptoms worsen to 6/10

7pm stressful encounter with flatmate 

cortisol 8/10

DR 9/10

chills 8/10

anxiety 8:10

depression 8/10

bladder issues 8/10

8pm eat no change 

10pm 6mg meds heart racing 5/10

other symptoms constant 

 

 

friday 8th Feb 

8am awoke after good sleep 

DR 2/10

10am start doing physical things 

DR 7/10

memory issues 7/10

chill 6/10

depression 8/10

Anedonia 8/1

coordination issues 7/10

Bladder issues 8/10

12 lunch

14 shops - stress Depression 10/10

DR 9/10

constant

7pm swimming relieves DR 5/10

anxiety 6/10

get stressed being around to many ppl

eat 10pm due to swim 

hot flush 7/10

chill 7/10

meds 11pm 

[India]

@kirby @withhopeinmyheart

thank you and sorry for your struggles also. @withhopeinmyheart You will get through and get a window which will give you the strength to go on. So sorry for your suffering. 

[India]

On 2/4/2019 at 10:49 PM, Carmie said:

 

Hi India, 

 

How are you doing? I’m sorry you had a panic attack, that must have been awful. If you decide to eventually measure your meds on scales instead of continuing to use the water please do a crossover. I’m in the midst of doing one from a compounding capsule back to my original tablet, and it’s gone pretty well so far. When I originally changed from tablet to the compounding formula I went through about three months of waves because I didn’t do a crossover. 

 

The He way you do it is:

 

3/4 of the old formula.                         1/4 of the new formula.

 

1/2 of the old formula.                          1/2 of the new formula.

 

1/4 of the old formula.                            3/4 of the new formula.

 

Then all new formula, in your case the tablets. 

 

You do each phase for about 3 days to a week. I’ve actually been doing each phase a bit longer than a week. I’m on phase three at the moment, the next phase is back to my old tablet. I actually water titrate, and I’ll be glad when I don’t have to make up two different water titrations every night. I’m nearly there.

 

I’m glad the passiflora helped you a bit after the panic attack. Again, I’m so sorry you’ve been so terrified, I wish I could take everyone’s pain away.

 

Sending  hugs💚

 

 

 

 

@Carmie thanks so much for this. I realised that it may have been a bit of a delusion that there is an overnight fix.  And that I should stick with the liquid. I imagine with all my CT attempts to quit I may take a good year to stabilise and shouldn't mess around. Updosing taught me a valuable lesson. I've been in DR and Dissociation ever since. But I know it will pass. It'su brain in shock. I'm just trying to ride it out.

Thank you for the support. How are you?

[withhopeinmyheart]

Just sending hugs

[Carmie]

9 hours ago, India said:

@Carmie thanks so much for this. I realised that it may have been a bit of a delusion that there is an overnight fix.  And that I should stick with the liquid. I imagine with all my CT attempts to quit I may take a good year to stabilise and shouldn't mess around. Updosing taught me a valuable lesson. I've been in DR and Dissociation ever since. But I know it will pass. It'su brain in shock. I'm just trying to ride it out.

Thank you for the support. How are you?

 

Hi India, 

 

Yes, there’s definitely no overnight fix to withdrawals, and updosing doesn’t always work. It’s best just to go slow and steady. Making too many changes will make us even more unstable. 

 

Time will eventually stabilise you again, but no one can say how long it will take. Yes, cold turkeying is never a good idea. It can take a really long time to stabilise after that. 

 

I’m not doing too badly thanks. The crossover from the compounding capsules back to the original tablets went pretty smoothly.

 

So you’ve been doing a little bit of swimming. I love the water, but don’t have a lot of energy to swim because of my illness. I do love going to the beach though, my favourite place. I took my boogie board last time and just hung onto it for a couple of hours and enjoyed the sea water. I did do a little kicking of the feet in the water and got from A to B. 😁 It was glorious, the water was beautiful n warm. I’ve been invited to a beach get together with friends this month that should be fun. You were swimming in the evening, so I’m gathering you have a pool.

 

I hope you have some other good distractions to help you to cope when going through waves, sending hugs🤗

 

Edited February 12, 2019 by Carmie
Removed white space

[India]

I am so angry today. That this has happened to me, I am suffering from hyperacusis ( severe noise sensitivity), increased coordination issues. I have had my brain stolen. Yes, I had trauma and depression but never this DR, never these memory issues, never this. I feel trapped. It is so torturous  on the mind. It has ruined my life. It is trauma on top of trauma. I feel like I have been experimented on without realising I was the guinea pig. I feel so vulnerable . All the internal  resources I need to be functional in this world have been stripped. Including my sense of being able to trust myself, my inner strength. Going back when you have gone forward is so hard on the psyche. The fact that there is no accountability for what these drugs have done to me, to others. 

Why do some ppl not have this experience ? The drugs have made me dumb, ciphoned off all of my resilience. Last few days I felt so despondent. So powerless. I know i am repeating myself. But the anger, the fear. What if I don't recover, what if I don't get back. I have the same doubts as those I tell you will get back. Ppl are rejecting me because they think I am mad not because of withdrawal. I can't even do basic things like design the poll, or do basic things on computer again ( executive functioning). I have been infantilised with no help from those that prescribed me these medications. It is crazy making . My executive functioning is really compromised. 

[India]

On 2/12/2019 at 11:16 PM, Carmie said:

 

Hi India, 

 

Yes, there’s definitely no overnight fix to withdrawals, and updosing doesn’t always work. It’s best just to go slow and steady. Making too many changes will make us even more unstable. 

 

Time will eventually stabilise you again, but no one can say how long it will take. Yes, cold turkeying is never a good idea. It can take a really long time to stabilise after that. 

 

I’m not doing too badly thanks. The crossover from the compounding capsules back to the original tablets went pretty smoothly.

 

So you’ve been doing a little bit of swimming. I love the water, but don’t have a lot of energy to swim because of my illness. I do love going to the beach though, my favourite place. I took my boogie board last time and just hung onto it for a couple of hours and enjoyed the sea water. I did do a little kicking of the feet in the water and got from A to B. 😁 It was glorious, the water was beautiful n warm. I’ve been invited to a beach get together with friends this month that should be fun. You were swimming in the evening, so I’m gathering you have a pool.

 

I hope you have some other good distractions to help you to cope when going through waves, sending hugs🤗

 

Thank you Carmie, will reply

[India]

I have had a complete breakdown. I am derealized, uncoordinated and feel in hell again. I cannot cope with any noise. 

[withhopeinmyheart]

😔 oh no... Was there a trigger? 

Sending hugs. Withdrawal hell is something else. Nobody should have to suffer like this. 

Rest if you can. 💛

[Carmie]

Hi India, 

 

I’m so sorry you are suffering so much. A lot of people get noise sensitivity when going through withdrawals. Can you get some noise canceling headphones to help you cope? A friend of mine has an autistic son who uses them when he’s out and about. He finds everything overwhelming.

 

Have you thought of maybe getting a weighted blanket too? I bought one and it’s been one of the best things I’ve bought. It’s very comforting. I’m in bed with a virus at the moment and I’m finding my blanket a great comfort. 

 

Again, I’m very sorry that you’re struggling so much, sending hugs🤗

[India]

@Carmie thank you for your support. I am in such a bad window, it is like going back to 5 months or more ago. When I first read this site I couldn't believe they were talking years and not months but I started my first reduction in September 2017. 

I've been so ill, that I have constant terror again, and also DR and memory problems back. I haven't even felt well enough to type out my symptoms. I couldn't organise my mind, or do any cognitive tasks and my coordination went bad again. I am back in the universe of hell. I have this strange feeling of cold burning in my body??? My house situation has been stressful and this has been a trigger.

24/02/2019

meds half dose at 11am

most of the day in bed

blanket anxiety 7/10

DR 8/10

Memory issues 8/10

coordination issues 8/10

went for walk 4pm

anxiety increased to 8/10

meds rest of dose 10pm

 

25/02/2019

Woke up at 11am in terror anxiety 8/10 DR8/10 Memory issues 9/10

stayed in bed due to terror/agorophobia

symptoms stayed constant.

Walk at 3pm symptoms reduced by 1 in each case (a=7/10, DR, 8/10 M=8/10)

Swimming - symptoms remained constant as above

Saw someone that I didn't want to anxiety increased (9/10)

Have this constant terror of people and that they might harm me

Got home symptoms constant

Took meds at 8pm 1.15ml worsened DR 9/10, anxiety 8/10, memory problems 8/10

 

I have lost my 'intelligence' again. I feel like I have a head injury. Doing basic things are very hard. I am goign to call a charity called headway but I don't think they will help.

The desperation, no human being should have to go through this.I feel so vulnerable and exposed. Since I have no partner and my family live far away and though have helped me alot, have their own things to contend with. They are also getting older. I will read over the messages sent, my working memory is totally kaput again. Really frightening.

 

 

[India]

On 2/20/2019 at 8:43 PM, withhopeinmyheart said:

😔 oh no... Was there a trigger? 

Sending hugs. Withdrawal hell is something else. Nobody should have to suffer like this. 

Rest if you can. 💛

No, they shouldn't. It is hell and hell again. Sorry, I haven't kept up with you. I can hardly keep myslef going. Only ppl on this site understand. It is so scary and lonely. How can they do this to people?. It seemed to be coming on slowly, emotional events with people and my flatmate was making loads of noise until the early hours ( flooring is bad and not noise proof), also added to this feeling of terror. I know it's the meds and that I have hyperacusis. I can't put my finger on this recent descent but I have zero stress tolerance.

 

@Carmie I have some silicone earplugs which I have just started using. Thank you for all your help.

 

Please universe, let this be over soon. Please.

[India]

I realise I am stuck in an ocd loop of emotion. Recycling of the same thoughts. Despite reading and knowing that these are things others have experienced . I read everyone’s comments but because I have so much brain fog, I forget what I have read. Nothing sticks. Plus, I’ve noticed my vision is affected much more by light. 

I feel terrified of people and loud noises even if I know rationally I should not be. Coordination has been affected so I struggle to type. Chills continue. My lack of brain power continues. I am unable to contain everything, to organise. I did have this propensity before but not to this extent. I know I am in withdrawal but I get caught up in the same loop. Like the emotional kaleidoscope is not available to me. I feel this odd deadness. I know I am in a wave. It has also struck me that I have pssd but feel it interlinks with the reduction in my capacity to feel and experience texture of emotions. 

I find the diary so hard. I just can’t organise my brain . Also, typing is hard because I also experience pinching in my neck. The most simple things overwhelm me, I struggle to spell ( never had that).

Round and round the merry go round. 

I feel freezing all the time so that takes a lot of time up. 

I find myself looping around in anger. Anger at the destruction these drugs have caused me. 

Fear. I worry I am not doing enough to create brain healing but I am so often in need of bed and sleep. I continue to walk and swim. 

Has anyone experienced disorientation of memory and emotional memories long forgotten surfacing for a split second. Faintly , I feel things from a time before the drugs. It’s such a strange feeling.

 

A note on terror. I realise I have also become scared of myself after withdrawal. Because of the sheer terror of wd. You lose confidence . Reality shatters. Reality as you once knew it. 

[withhopeinmyheart]

On 3/1/2019 at 4:48 PM, India said:

 A note on terror. I realise I have also become scared of myself after withdrawal. Because of the sheer terror of wd. You lose confidence . Reality shatters. Reality as you once knew it. 

That's me! It's like already knowing you won't be able to live a good life again because of the horrors you have to go through. Losing all trust... 

 

But we say this while in the thick of it. People on the other side say that's not the case. 

I really want to hold on to that. 

[FarmGirlWorks]

On 3/1/2019 at 7:48 AM, India said:

A note on terror. I realise I have also become scared of myself after withdrawal. Because of the sheer terror of wd. You lose confidence . Reality shatters. Reality as you once knew it.

I second what WithHope says. Feels like it will be this way forever. Have been reading Success Stories every day and working on an art project with them to create some meaning of this Dark Night of the Soul. It's hard. But I do believe that we can create meaning from it, even if it is mostly sad and scary.

 

On 2/25/2019 at 2:30 PM, India said:

I feel so vulnerable and exposed. Since I have no partner and my family live far away and though have helped me alot, have their own things to contend with. They are also getting older.

Totally (!) relate to this. I too am alone although I live on my own which I think is easier than your situation of having a flatmate. I've had them all my life and know that it would be hard now. My family whom i am not close to is across the country and my parents are in their early 80s in not the greatest health. Very few friends -- really only a couple -- are supportive. So, I hear you: it is scary going though this alone. We are soooooo lucky to have found this forum and the support and wisdom here. It has literally saved my life and fragile sanity.

 

Did not know that you were having such a rough time... hang in there, @India.

[India]

Does anyone know if I can take tryptophan now I am on 6 mg of citalopram? Much lower than 20mg I was on for 9 years. I want to try to promote serotonin . I tried searching for info. Can’t find any.

[PerAsperaAdAstra]

Citalopram is an SSRI and therefore inhibits the reuptake of serotonin. And although you're on a low dosage it's still has some inhibiting effect on the reuptake. 

Tryptophan is a precursor to 5-HTP, which is the building block for serotonin. So basically it could lead to too much serotonin in the synaptic cleft (serotonin syndrome). So you should at least be aware of the risk. 

[jozeff]

Hi India,

 

From what I've learned in the last year you should be very careful with that combination. I've tried it myself for 2 days and didn't notice a thing. My wife took it accidentally with her sertraline and didn't notice it. But.... I don't know if it builds up, what dosage it is dangerous and it also depends on which SSRI and the person who takes it.

 

 

Too many variables and dangers. The citalopram is still very active at 6 mg so I wouldn't take the chance. No one can tell you if it's going to work and if it doesn't you might regret it immensely.

 

Serotonin syndrome is horrible and life threatening sometimes. Your brain gets messed up big time and you don't want to do that to yourself.

 

Maybe someone else has more experience with this..

 

How are you doing by the way??

 

Oh wait, I can read your posts😗

 

Cheers

 

Jozeff

[withhopeinmyheart]

I wouldn't take it either. Too risky. 

[ChessieCat]

On 3/7/2019 at 9:25 AM, India said:

I don’t know if this is the right section. But my friend has just composed a letter emphasising the impact of my memory loss and cognitive functioning to GP. Has anyone gotten any response or any specific help with this symptom? I know there are memory clinics.

 

I've moved the above post to this topic:  brain-fog-blank-mind-comprehension-cognitive-and-memory-problems

[India]

I have just seen everyone’s messages. Thank you. I will reply later. I’m finding it hard to coordinate when I type.

[India]

On 3/2/2019 at 5:50 PM, withhopeinmyheart said:

That's me! It's like already knowing you won't be able to live a good life again because of the horrors you have to go through. Losing all trust... 

 

But we say this while in the thick of it. People on the other side say that's not the case. 

I really want to hold on to that. 

Losing all trust. That's it!
@jozeff Hello, good to hear from you. Thank you. I will avoid tryptophan.

 

I felt very down today. If you see this TED talk on a TBI ( traumatic brain injury) , I am basically suffering from the same symptoms. I don't know how or why but the  4week taper and cessation seems to have cause d the equivalent of brain injury. I feel very down and also worried. Even writing this now- my brain just won't work like it used to. And to see no recognition for this. Essentially, I am suffering from brain damage. The confusion, the loss of cognitive skills. I just can't believe  I am in this situation. i used to be quick minded. I feel very trapped and angry. I mean how can they god damn do this to people. I am worried because of the lack of research, that I am being left to drown. It is making daily life very hard. I am trying to do as much as I can to heal.

It's overwhelming. I am in a pretty bad wave to answer Jozeff but I swim everyday. It's like being really drunk everyday. What if I never regain my intellect, my cognitive ability?

On 3/3/2019 at 5:58 PM, PerAsperaAdAstra said:

Citalopram is an SSRI and therefore inhibits the reuptake of serotonin. And although you're on a low dosage it's still has some inhibiting effect on the reuptake. 

Tryptophan is a precursor to 5-HTP, which is the building block for serotonin. So basically it could lead to too much serotonin in the synaptic cleft (serotonin syndrome). So you should at least be aware of the risk. 

thank you @PerAsperaAdAstra

 

On 3/2/2019 at 5:50 PM, withhopeinmyheart said:

That's me! It's like already knowing you won't be able to live a good life again because of the horrors you have to go through. Losing all trust... 

 

But we say this while in the thick of it. People on the other side say that's not the case. 

I really want to hold on to that. 

Yes, I will try to hold onto it too.

 

@FarmGirlWorks thank you so much and yest

, I do believe I would have ended up in the psychiatric system had I not found this site. Without the context, in those first months I may have killed myself, since it was truly the most terrifying experience of my life. Overnight, I lost my mind. Like @withhopeinmyheart said, I literally woke up oneday to hell.

 

Does anyone know if I can take inositol with 6mg citalopram? What about gingko?

 

I have been very fogged and struggled to write this. If I repeat myself, that is why.

[India]

I've been thinking about my memory issues/cognitive issues which are still having a bug impact on my life. I have asked for a referral to a memory clinic. Though I imagine they might also suggest SSRI use because of  their dubious role in neurogenesis. I know that my ex was suggested to take them by a neuropsychologist after his head injury. I don't know whether it's worth stabilising while and if I receive treatment or if that will mean that once I reduce again I will re-experience memory issues. It's such an unknown minefield. I feel lost in it. I have resisted any impulsive move. Since I reduced from 20mg for 9 yers, did a 2 month withdrawal, then reinstated to 10 mg february 2018, 6 months of 10 mg then reduced from 10mg to zero in four weeks last july, 2018. I did 3 months of hell before reinstating to 2mg, then 4mg, then settling on 6mg. I've held since October 2018. Sometimes I think I may need another year to stabilise with such drastic reductions. I don't think I have completely stabilised. Perhaps eventual stabilsation will help my memory. It seems from everything I have seen on the site, that you just can't tell what will happen. I realise now, that had I made 5 or 10 percent drops from 10mg I may now have been in a better position. Then again, I have learnt a valuable lesson. perhaps my lack of adverse reaction going onto citalopram added to a sense of invincibility , or false safety???

[India]

I am severely depressed. 

[Carmie]

Hi India, 

 

I’m sorry you’re so depressed. Thanks for coming over to my thread. My brain isn’t functioning this morning, and I can’t read much, brain fog is really severe. Just wanted to pop around and send you a hug🤗

[Tom37]

Hi India,

 

I know your going through a tough time and every day is a battle. But even though it’s hard to imagine it, there is an end to this suffering. Only thing I can say is to stay steady on your dose and wait for stabilising to happen. As you know this can take months and months and is so up and down it’s ridiculous but in time you should start to notice some improvement until you finally get stable which should mean either symptom free or close to it with minor but tolerable symptoms so you can lead a pretty normal life. 

 

Im searching for the same thing so I know how frustrating this feels. Hardest thing ever done in my life.

[JB1234]

I’m going of the same med. It’s good to hear others having similar problems and we aren’t alone

 

MOD NOTE:  I have been in contact with this member and JB will create an Intro when he is able to. 

 

 

Edited March 21, 2019 by ChessieCat
added mod note

[India]

@Tom37  and @Carmie

 

Thank you for your support. I am ashamed of my circular desperation. It truly feels like being trapped in a hamster wheel. Of course, there were my underlying difficulties but I’ve had a hard time getting to grips with my cognitive/memory impairments as well as the effect on my coordination which filters into learning issues.   I feel like Leonard? from the film Momento. I am constantly having to challenge my fury, frustration and non-acceptance. I go to do things I once found a doddle and there is a massive block there. Yes, I share your sentiment. It truly is the hardest thing I have done in my life. 

You are right about stabilisation , I must try not to feed into my heightened impulsive impulses so to speak.

 

I studied literature so the fact that I have lost capacities like my previous writing abilities ( my friend had to write my letter to a GP) is really challenging me and my sense of identity. I lament that more than the burning chills in my body which, in some ways,  I can tolerate better.

 

My personality has changed, noise invokes my fight/flight response and leaves me intensely angry. Same with personal space. I constantly battle my irritability and cannot be social for long. I find any conversation directed towards me intolerable. Even though I feel incredibly lonely and previously loved social interaction. I also can’t seem to integrate sensory information and can only attend ( badly) to one thing at a time.

 

I am quite impatient in many respects so this is such a battle.

 

@Carmie I’m sorry that you also experience brain fog. It is horrid . Your posts are inspiring and uplifting. What is your relationship with reading? Forcing myself in this current wave doesn’t seem to be working. 

 

Incidentally, I wonder if healing occurs faster with less stimulation . Obviously, one can’t completely lock themselves away but I do find even too much interaction with family leaves my symptoms heightened versus containing myself in a quiet room, resting, maybe a walk in a quiet space. Does anyone else feel like they have no skin to filter out sensory stimuli? It’s like an induced autism. I read someone talking about that concept.

 

It is the most bizarre of experiences and like I have said so many times before, one I wouldn’t wish on anyone. I guess it is a constant trial and error.

 

On top of the neurological symptoms,emotions are assaulting me left, right and centre. We are all fighting battles on many fronts. 

 

I tried to get positive yesterday and bring some meaning and tolerance to my suffering.  

 

Ok, about to go for a walk now . I’m currently in the country . It’s verdant and quiet. I am looking at retablos in a book, Mexican painting odes-to saints in times of crisis. Frida Kahlo paid homage to the retablo in some of her work. I can at least look at visual images.

 

A note about dyspraxia , which is a neurological condition affecting the cellebrum. There is very little understanding of the condition unlike dyslexia . Subjectively though, the WD has considerably worsened my previous symptoms constituting my dyspraxia. The hypothesis that dyspraxia causes interruption of messages due to immaturity of neurones in brain stem. I wonder if anyone else here has noticed impact on their dyspraxia? 

There are theories that childhood trauma/stress results in higher rates of learning difficulties though possibly also genetic and sometimes as a result of brain damage.

 

 

[India]

Does anyone know how many members of surviving antidepressants there are? Interested in this in respect to scale of issue. Ian Singleton at BTP says they take 300 cases a year .