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7/6/18

130 - woke - up the rest of the night - doze off and wake in panic continually. 

uuuuuuuuuu  - breakfast -valium 5mg /eye drops

9 -  450mg Lithium

12 - lunch 

Very restless, depressed, sleepless, no appetite,  should I go to hospital to sleep,  ruminating about meds and supps 

1 - Bill came over for his birthday 

Very heavy head and anxious in chest and belly / worried about sleep - took 2 sips of coke 

6 - dinner Harry Buffalos 

7 - Cleveland Indians baseball game with Raymond’s, Scott and Shelly 

****feel so low after taking a dose of valium.   I hate the way it makes me feel. 

9 -  lithium 225mg / 5mg Valium / mag calm

12 - sleep

7/7/18

4 - woke - felt ok

6 - woke - anxiety in stomach

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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3 hours ago, Shep said:

 

Wow, that's quite a list! No wonder you were out power washing your deck for days. 

 

The fact that you didn't know that there was anything in that drink means it definitely wasn't the placebo effect. 

 

I wish this was something that was safe to take during withdrawal. Just a thought, though - you may want to look into these supplements individually and see if there's anything you can work with that will be safe. For instance, it may be worth trying a small dose of Glycine for sleep instead of periodically using doxylamine.  Since you are on sedating drugs already, adding in anything - including a supplement - that is sedating may cause a paradoxical reaction, but it may be a safer option than doxy. 

 

You can use the search feature or Google "surviving antidepressants" + [name of supplement] and you'll find information about the supplements that are safe during withdrawal and other members' experiences with them. 

 

It’s interesting I slept so well.  Could be something there (in a good way) even with all those ingredients.   The only “bad thing” I see on the list is caffeine.   I felt clear headed, with no cog fog.  I may get a single use packet from the person my wife got the Spark from to see how I feel.   Perhaps I use a quarter of a third of the packet at a time to give me a boost?

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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1 hour ago, Dabhob33 said:

It’s interesting I slept so well.  Could be something there (in a good way) even with all those ingredients.   The only “bad thing” I see on the list is caffeine.   I felt clear headed, with no cog fog.  I may get a single use packet from the person my wife got the Spark from to see how I feel.   Perhaps I use a quarter of a third of the packet at a time to give me a boost?

Also, how much glycine would I take?  

 

Interesting report on glycine and b12

http://hospitalnews.com/nutritional-treatments-to-combat-anxiety-disorders/

 

do either of these act on Benzo receptors?

i did see this...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/4152296/

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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Hi Dabhob...just wanted to say you sound lots better!!!  Happy for you!!!

 

-Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016

-Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. 

-November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17,     

-20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day

-Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17

-Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg  5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded  

-4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19

-July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, 

-7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25

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19 hours ago, Dabhob33 said:

It’s interesting I slept so well.  Could be something there (in a good way) even with all those ingredients.   The only “bad thing” I see on the list is caffeine.   I felt clear headed, with no cog fog.  I may get a single use packet from the person my wife got the Spark from to see how I feel.   Perhaps I use a quarter of a third of the packet at a time to give me a boost?

 

I'm not so sure caffeine is the only "bad thing" in that list, but I'm definitely no expert on supplements. Please do a thorough research of all of them before embarking down the Spark path. It's smart to use a smaller dose, but I'm not sure what the long term consequences might be on a very stabilized nervous system. 

 

Here is some information to get you started:

 

Supplements - what helps, what doesn't?

 

There are also a number of links within that thread that are well worth checking out, if you haven't already. 

 

18 hours ago, Dabhob33 said:

Also, how much glycine would I take?  

 

Interesting report on glycine and b12

http://hospitalnews.com/nutritional-treatments-to-combat-anxiety-disorders/

 

do either of these act on Benzo receptors?

i did see this...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/4152296/

 

My main concern with adding in glycine is a paradoxical reaction due to having too many "brakes" in your drug and supplement cocktail. That last link you posted states "The benzodiazepines may exert their antianxiety, anticonvulsant and muscle-relaxant effects by mimicking the effects of the neurotransmitter glycine at its central nervous system receptor sites."  Sounds like even more reason to be cautious, although I'm not aware of any warnings about combining the two. Of course, what's in the scientific literature is not dealing with people going through withdrawal. 

 

Here's the link to the SA glycine thread, which also gives members' experiences at various doses. 

 

Glycine for sleep

 

I started out at 500 mg and slowly increased to 1,500 mg. Anytime I increase more than this, after 2 - 3 nights, I get a severe paradoxical reaction and my sleep stops. So I've yet to be able to get up to what is recommended in the scientific literature of 2 or 3 grams. 

 

An option for getting glycine naturally is through Bone Broth.

 

Dr. Mercola writes about it here:

 

Bone Broth—One of Your Most Healing Diet Staples

 

Please use the search feature or Google "surviving antidepressants" + [name of supplement] and you'll find information about the other ingredients in the Spark drink. 

 

 

 

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7/7/18

4 - woke - felt ok

6 - woke - anxiety in stomach

8 - breakfast -valium 5mg /eye drops

9 -  450mg Lithium

930 - bloodwork

Feel anxious 

12 - lunch  

1 - paddle boating on lake (very easy going) with kids.   Beautiful day.   Anxious wave in chest

Steak

6 - didn’t go to the pool with kids as planned.   Bad behavior driving there.  

9 - sleep

7/8/18

2 - woke - lithium 225mg / 5mg Valium 

3 - woke

Up for rest of night

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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5 hours ago, Rabe said:

Hi Dabhob...just wanted to say you sound lots better!!!  Happy for you!!!

 

Thanks Rabe

 

still dealing with sleep panic and paralysed by what to take / not take or eat.    Sometimes I think we overthink things and the anxiety created is worse than the action.  

 

Hope you are well. 

 

Dave

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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7/8/18

2 - woke - lithium 225mg / 5mg Valium 

3 - woke

Up for rest of night 

8 - breakfast -valium 5mg /eye drops

After took morning valium I become extremely down.   That’s consistent every day.  

9 -  450mg Lithium 

12 - lunch  

1 - slanina family over for cookout

Very down / agitated / worried about meds and wd / anxiety in chest and head and feet

5 - Scott and Shelly stop over

6 - kids went to watch dan’s band in Parma park  with Del and Chris 

930 - sleep

7/9/18

1 - woke - anxious and agitated - showered to calm down - lithium 225mg / 5mg Valium 

2 - woke

430 - woke

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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7/9/18

1 - woke - anxious and agitated - lithium 225mg / 5mg Valium 

2 - woke

430 - woke

8 - breakfast -valium 5mg /eye drops

9 -  450mg Lithium 

1030 - sauna 20 mins

12 - lunch  

1 - Charlies basketball camp

Feel agitated feeling. So uncomfortable.  Don’t give it power.  Drank magnesium Calm (starting to time length 2pm - 330pm )

5 - anxious.  Heavy head, burning feet. 

Laid on couch for afternoon.  Agitated

6 - dinner

7 - charlie baseball game

1030 - sleep - lithium 225mg / 5mg Valium 

7/10/18

1230 - woke - achey...anxious...drank mag calm

230 - woke

Up rest of night 

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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Did the sauna trigger symptoms? The extreme heat can cause problems for some people.

 

The depression is a side effect of the benzos, sad to say.

 

Why are you taking lithium with the Valium at the odd hour of 1-2 a.m.?

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On 4/30/2018 at 7:21 AM, JanCarol said:

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Looking at your schedule, is there some reason you wait until noon to take your Lithium?  I would like to see these doses split by more like 12 hours than 8.  It seems like, sometimes your evening dose of Lithium offers some stability (though not always, when stressors intervene), and so it might be beneficial to keep your lithium spaced out by 12 hours instead of 8 / 16  (16 hours from night dose to noon, 8 hours until night dose)

 

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21 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Did the sauna trigger symptoms? The extreme heat can cause problems for some people.

 

The depression is a side effect of the benzos, sad to say.

 

Why are you taking lithium with the Valium at the odd hour of 1-2 a.m.?

I do feel a bit revved up initially afterwards, but then calm down and feel some relief.    I’m so torn....I hear it’s good from some and not so good from others.  

 

Yes, when I take that damn valium (even before tapering) I feel my head squeeze and I drop to a hopeless place.   Especially the morning dose.   The head pressure/depression is probably the worst symptom so far.   Along with waking in panic / insomnia.   Just brutal.   

 

 

Sometimes I fall asleep before my last doses and wake up and take them.   No?  Or should I skip them?

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Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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21 hours ago, Altostrata said:

 

Looking at your schedule, is there some reason you wait until noon to take your Lithium?  I would like to see these doses split by more like 12 hours than 8.  It seems like, sometimes your evening dose of Lithium offers some stability (though not always, when stressors intervene), and so it might be beneficial to keep your lithium spaced out by 12 hours instead of 8 / 16  (16 hours from night dose to noon, 8 hours until night dose

 

***i can take at 10am and 10pm.  How does that sound?

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Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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31 minutes ago, Dabhob33 said:

 

I do feel a bit revved up initially afterwards, but then calm down and feel some relief.    I’m so torn....I hear it’s good from some and not so good from others.  

 

Yes, when I take that damn valium (even before tapering) I feel my head squeeze and I drop to a hopeless place.   Especially the morning dose.   The head pressure/depression is probably the worst symptom so far.   Along with waking in panic / insomnia.   Just brutal.   

 

 

Sometimes I fall asleep before my last doses and wake up and take them.   No?  Or should I skip them?

I just checked and it looked like I slept relatively well the evening I used saunas.   But now you have me thinking.   I’m paralyzed so much by things.   What to eat?  Supplements...   what to do?  Not do?   I’m literally obsessed about it.  And research endlessly.  I think it revs  my symptoms as well.  

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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@Dabhob33 

still dealing with sleep panic and paralysed by what to take / not take or eat.    Sometimes I think we overthink things and the anxiety created is worse than the action.  

 

I absolutely agree Dave!  I am the same way.  I think I have an answer and then I try something and it usually serves to make things more stressful and all. Yes  the overthinking and worry about what to take and eat etc etc etc!!!  

 

I get into obsessiveness as well and look things up etc...the reality is our bodies will let us know and I am TRYing to just listen to that rather than all the other stuff...TRYing!  Hope your panic and all improve!

-Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016

-Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. 

-November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17,     

-20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day

-Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17

-Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg  5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded  

-4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19

-July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, 

-7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25

-1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg,

  1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit  1/week,Reacted Mag prn

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@Dabhob33 

still dealing with sleep panic and paralysed by what to take / not take or eat.    Sometimes I think we overthink things and the anxiety created is worse than the action.  

 

I absolutely agree Dave!  I am the same way.  I think I have an answer and then I try something and it usually serves to make things more stressful and all. Yes  the overthinking and worry about what to take and eat etc etc etc!!!  

 

I get into obsessiveness as well and look things up etc...the reality is our bodies will let us know and I am TRYing to just listen to that rather than all the other stuff...TRYing!  Hope your panic and all improve!

The sleep panic may end up putting me in the hospital.  I’m a mess.  Hope things get better for you Rabe.  

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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Thank you Dave.  Im so sorry you are going through this...I know the panic is so difficult!  Know that I am thinking about you!!!  Prayers that your sleep improves!  

I do think overall you seem better than the first time I read your posts...and it hasn't been that long!  Take care!

-Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016

-Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. 

-November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17,     

-20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day

-Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17

-Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg  5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded  

-4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19

-July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, 

-7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25

-1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg,

  1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit  1/week,Reacted Mag prn

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7/10/18

1230 - woke - achey...anxious...drank mag calm

230 - woke

Up rest of night  

8 - breakfast -valium 5mg /eye drops

10 -  450mg Lithium 

12 - lunch  

1 - Charlies basketball camp

Very heavy head.  Depressed.   Afraid to sleep.  

5 - sauna 20 mins (10/10) - mag calm drink

6 - dinner

10 - lithium 225mg / 5mg Valium - 25mg doxylamine

1030 - Sleep 

7/11/18

1230 - woke - 25 doxylamine

Up rest of the night

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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I continue to get very little sleep and when I do I wake up throughout the night in a panic and the  times I do doze off for a few seconds I immediately wake in a panic.   I went to a sleep specialist.  Worthless.    I feel desperate bc my depression is tied to my sleep.    My mind nd races and anxiety increases as well.   I’m thinking of going to the ER.  

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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I am not an expert, but could this be protracted withdrawal from ADs, rather than withdrawal from benzos? Perhaps @Altostrata or @ChessieCat could weigh in? I see you stopped your AD in Dec 2017, so this could be protracted withdrawal, it hits some people several months down the line (my protracted withdrawal hit 4 months after my last AD dose). @Altostrata and @ChessieCat, would you recommend a reinstatement of a low dose of Pristiq? Perhaps a low-dose reinstatement could save you from the ER.

7 months of prescribed polypharmacy in 2015-2016, including several classes of psych meds.

1st attempt at taper was too fast. 2nd attempt is underway.

1 Mar 2018: 37.5 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 300 mg quetiapine

1 Oct 2020: 30 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 37.5 mg quetiapine

15 May 2022: 25 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 0 mg quetiapine

11 Jan 2024: 20 mg paroxetine, 118.75 mg lamotrigine 

Supplements: Iron, Vit D magnesium glycinate, omega 3

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It seems Dabhob's symptoms were triggered by a Valium decrease.

 

On 2/15/2018 at 6:00 PM, Dabhob33 said:

My present symptoms (burning body and head, heavy eyes, tightness around head - most in forehead area, depressed, my head’s in slow

motion) started after my latest 1mg per week Valium drop (5-10%).   The 4th week is when it hits me.  Might be the long acting nature of Valium.  And then I hold.    I held after my 20-16mg drop.  Now holding at 11mg.  Not sure if coincidence.  

 

Dabhob, are all your lithium doses in these notes? Do you take the lithium irregularly? What is your daily lithium schedule?

 

9 hours ago, Dabhob33 said:

 

7/10/18

1230 - woke - achey...anxious...drank mag calm

230 - woke

Up rest of night  

8 - breakfast -valium 5mg /eye drops

10 -  450mg Lithium 

12 - lunch  

1 - Charlies basketball camp

Very heavy head.  Depressed.   Afraid to sleep.  

5 - sauna 20 mins (10/10) - mag calm drink

6 - dinner

10 - lithium 225mg / 5mg Valium - 25mg doxylamine

1030 - Sleep 

7/11/18

1230 - woke - 25 doxylamine

Up rest of the night

 

How long have you been taking doxylamine?

 

A repeating pattern of waking at 12:30 indicates that something taken earlier is causing it. It could be the doxylamine, which reaches peak plasma in 2-3 hours. The sedating antihistamines are well-known to cause paradoxical waking once your body has accommodated to them.

 

We have discussed whether the addition of doxylamine might be complicating your situation before.

 

Did you ever get information about potential side effects from the eye drops?

 

 

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I take lithium twice daily 10am 450mg and 10pm 225mg

 

I’ve taken doxylamine 2-3 time’s over last few weeks.  

 

The glaucoma drops can play around with mood    To what extent? My opthamologist isn’t sure how much it is a factor though.  She is adamant I take them since they are protecting me from potentially going blind.    

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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What is the name of the eyedrops dh33?  DO you know?  Sorry about your sleep...it is more difficult when sleep alludes!!! Thinking about you!!!

-Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016

-Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. 

-November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17,     

-20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day

-Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17

-Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg  5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded  

-4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19

-July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, 

-7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25

-1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg,

  1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit  1/week,Reacted Mag prn

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My guess is doxylamine has gone paradoxical on you. If I were you, I'd stop taking it. That could be the reason for your sleep panic.

 

A paradoxical reaction means a drug does the opposite of what it's supposed to do.

 

When you take several things at the same time that supposedly would help you sleep, in the aggregate, they can be too much for your nervous system and cause a paradoxical reaction -- your nervous system fights against them. Such a combination might well be

 

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10 [pm] - lithium 225mg / 5mg Valium - 25mg doxylamine


First, If I were you, I'd stop taking doxylamine. Keep notes over several days to see if that helps your sleep.

 

Then, I would not take Valium and lithium at the same time at night. They need to be offset by at least a couple of hours. 

 

My guess is a paradoxical reaction also happens in the afternoon because the combination of lithium and Valium and maybe the eye drops, too, is too much for you. Your Valium schedule is also lopsided, with 5mg at 8 a.m. and 5mg at 10 p.m. There's a gap of 10 hours overnight and 14 hours during the day.

 

But overall, it looks to me like you're taking too much lithium or Valium or maybe both. (The eye drops must remain constant.) Have you worked with Shep on your Valium schedule? 

 

On 7/10/2018 at 2:36 PM, Dabhob33 said:
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Looking at your schedule, is there some reason you wait until noon to take your Lithium?  I would like to see these doses split by more like 12 hours than 8.  It seems like, sometimes your evening dose of Lithium offers some stability (though not always, when stressors intervene), and so it might be beneficial to keep your lithium spaced out by 12 hours instead of 8 / 16  (16 hours from night dose to noon, 8 hours until night dose

 

 

***i can take at 10am and 10pm.  How does that sound?

 

Those were suggestions made by @JanCarol . I would prefer she review your lithium intake. I am concerned about it being lopsided, too.

 

Let's say lithium does have a stabilizing effect for you. It would be better to stretch it out, and maybe get more of that influence into your sleeping time.

 

On 7/10/2018 at 3:08 PM, Dabhob33 said:

I just checked and it looked like I slept relatively well the evening I used saunas.   But now you have me thinking.   I’m paralyzed so much by things.   What to eat?  Supplements...   what to do?  Not do?   I’m literally obsessed about it.  And research endlessly.  I think it revs  my symptoms as well.  

 

Don't overthink it. Keep good notes and look for patterns. If it seem saunas are beneficial, work more of them into your evenings. If the beneficial pattern does not bear out, take fewer saunas.

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7/11/18

1230 - woke 

Up rest of the night 

8 - breakfast -valium 5mg /eye drops

10 -  450mg Lithium 

1145 - Acupuncture 

Feeling agitated, paralyzed on what to do, not do.  Heavy eyes and tight head 

12 - lunch  

1 - Charlies basketball camp

320 - Dr Andresen 

4 - mom and dad’s - helped with computer / scanner - felt pretty good 

6 - dinner

10 - lithium 225mg / 5mg Valium

1030 - Sleep

7/12

 1 -2 - awake

3 - sleep

6 - sleep 

7 - woke

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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I get so low when I take the valium dose for a few hours.   Having head tightness and depression shortly after taking.  Like deep despair.   It’s awful.  Is there anything I can drink or eat to help boost energy ?

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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That looks like a better sleep pattern, without doxylamine.

 

Your body is telling you you're taking too many "brakes" -- the lithium and Valium. Perhaps you want to discuss reducing the Valium again?

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3 hours ago, Altostrata said:

That looks like a better sleep pattern, without doxylamine.

 

Your body is telling you you're taking too many "brakes" -- the lithium and Valium. Perhaps you want to discuss reducing the Valium again?

 

I agree.  

My main issue is I feel depressed and fatigued during the day and then doze off for a few seconds and wake in a horrible panic. I’m terrified to sleep. 

 

Will address.  But my psychiatrist is a fan of the lithium.  

 

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Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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What does it mean when you have too many brakes?

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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"Brakes" are drugs that subdue or depress the central nervous system. You are taking two of them, lithium and Valium, and your psychiatrist should recognize that your side effects are because you're taking too much of both. Perhaps you need a new psychiatrist?

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32 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

"Brakes" are drugs that subdue or depress the central nervous system. You are taking two of them, lithium and Valium, and your psychiatrist should recognize that your side effects are because you're taking too much of both. Perhaps you need a new psychiatrist?

I’m actually switching to a new psychiatrist.   Just met with her.   She is a fan of lithium though, but wants me off valium (in due time).  Could these be contributing to the sleep panic issues?

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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As I've explained in detail above, you are suffering from side effects and paradoxical reactions from too-high doses of both drugs.

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I particularly feel the effects after taking the valium.  Within minutes can feel it wash over me in a very negative manner.   Don’t feel it as much with the lithium, but don’t doubt it has a similar effect.  

 

should we consider restarting the valium drop?  I know you mentioned dropping lithium.   I just fall into deep despair when taking the valium.  I can feel myself feel better around 5pm each day (when valium wears off?). 

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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Please read

and catch up with your Benzo forum topic.

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That’s strange.    I didn’t see a lot of those posts from you.  

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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13 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Please read

and catch up with your Benzo forum topic.

I’ve had sleep panic for a long time.  A year.   Well before trying Doxylamine.  

Dabhob33

- Pristiq  25mg July 20, 2017 / 100mg November 29, 2017.  Last dose 25mg  December 20, 2017  - 28 yrs on antidepressants. Only other drug currently on is Lithium - 675mg.

- 1st stint on benzos (100mg Librium) November 1, 2015 to January 1, 2017 (rapid taper)

- 2nd stint on benzos (20mg Valium)  started May 1 2017.  Reinstated due to Librium rapid taper.  Tapered 100mg pristiq in 4 weeks (Jan 2018).  Currently tapered down to 10.5mg Valium where I began holding on February 12, 2018 due to rough patch. Using Ashton Method pill taper.  

Updose valium to 12mg on Feb 28, 2018 / Prozac .5mg March 3 - March 5, 2018 / March 13, 2018 - valium drop of .5 to 11.5mg

Valium now 10mg as of May 23, 2018

Lithium 150mg August 8, 2017; 900mg August 23, 2017  Tested on July 13, 2018  .60 mmol/L result.  Normal range is .60-1.00 mmol/L

 

Took doxylamine sporadically (between 12mg and 25mg).  Last taken on July 5, 2018.  Don’t plan on continuing to take.  

 

I was given a 500mg dose of Levaquin for a UTI (ended up not having a UTI).   Only one dose, but wreaked havoc on me.   Is it still affecting me?

 

 
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