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2006 Citalopram 20mg on and off to 2013.  April 2013 - July 2014  Sertraline, Venlafaxine, Fluoxetine, Mirtazapine v. bad reactions. July 2014 - CT Mirtazapine.  July 2014 - February 2016 Medication free, long term w/d.  February 2016 Fluoxetine.  July 2016 - mid January 2017  Medication free, long term w/d syndrome, physical breakdown.

2017 February - March Escitalopram, Nortriptyline instated.  Lorazepam, Zopiclone PRN.  April 2017 Lithium Carbonate 250mg 1 wk. 14 August 2017 finish cross to Diazepam 22.5mg daily, stop Zopiclone

Initial Diazepam taper

2017 21 August - 21.25mg, 9 September - 20mg, 23 October - 19.16mg, 28 October - 18.33mg, 4 November - 17.5mg, 18 November - 17mg, 2 December -  16.5mg, 9 December - 16mg, 23 December 15mg, 30 Dec - 14.5mg

2018 6 Jan -12Jan down to 14.00mg, 24 Feb - 2 Mar down to 13.5mg, 10 Mar - 16 Mar down to 13mg,
7 April - 20 April down to  - 12.5mg, 28 April - 11 May down to 12mg.  2 June updose to 12.25mg - holding.

Current dosings + tapers

Diazepam Doses taken at 6am, 12pm and 6pm - 12 Jan 2019 12mg: 29 Sept 11.5mg (0.5mg cut); 19 October 11mg (0.5mg cut), 16 Nov 10.5mg (0.5mg cut), 28 Dec 10mg (0.5mg cut), 25 Jan 2020 9.75mg (0.25mg cut), 8 Feb 9.5mg (0.25mg cut), 22 Feb 9.25mg (0.25mg cut), 1 Mar 9mg (0.25mg cut)

Escitalopram 9.30am - 10mg (tried twice to reduce by 0.1mg, got spooked by extreme fatigue and depression both times, back to original dose)  

Nortriptyline 8.40pm - 15 Oct 2018 cut 2.5mg to 87.25mg, 14 December cut 2.5mg to 85mg, Mon 13 May 2019 cut 2.5mg to 82.5mg, Mon 20 May cut 2.5mg to 80mg, Sun 26 May back up to 82.5mg, Fri 28 June cut 2.5mg to 80mg, Sun 14 July cut 5mg to 75mg, 25 July back up 2.5mg to 77.5mg, Sat 31 Aug cut 2.5mg to 75mg

 

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MOD NOTE:  Please see this post by Altostrata

 

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This initiative (described below) is similar to this site, but focusing on helping people find each other in person, where they live. Additional great info on tapering and withdrawal. 

 

****Announcing the Launch of Inner Compass Initiative and ICI’s The Withdrawal Project!****

Inner Compass Initiative (ICI) is a new 501(c)(3) non-profit organization that provides information and resources to help people make more informed choices regarding all things “mental health” and to support people who wish to leave, bypass, or build community beyond the mental health system. Its first major effort, The Withdrawal Project (TWP), is a comprehensive online hub for safer psychiatric drug withdrawal. The resources on the ICI and TWP websites include a detailed layperson’s “Companion Guide” to safer tapering from psychiatric medications; mini-booklets that provide detailed, critical information about psychiatric drugs, psychiatric diagnoses, and the mental health industry; and two networking platforms to help people who are thinking critically about the mental health system or seeking support for psychiatric drug withdrawal to find each other in their local communities.
Visit ICI at www.theinnercompass.org 
Visit TWP at withdrawal.theinnercompass.org 

 

 

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Current: 2019: 0.04 mg Paxil!! This is real. Soon, after taking Paxil my entire adult life, I will be free.

Long story short: After 18 years on Paxil, "tapered" almost completely off over a month, at doctor's advice in July 2015.

Self-care includes magnesium, reasonable exercise, mindfulness, this forum and nutrition/eating enough food.

Also on 100 mg Zoloft unfortunately!! (which I now will have the knowledge to taper properly)

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Longer version: On Paxil since 1996--anxiety & depression caused by (undiagnosed) under-eating / eating disorder.

Doctor kept increasing dose, up to 60 mg; it never really helped but said it really was the best "med" for me.

Rapid doctor-led "taper" July 2015, down to 5 mg, with Zoloft as a "cross-taper" = Essentially a cold turkey. 

Severe withdrawal but didn't know it; believed it was my "underlying condition," and kept tapering, 5mg to 4 to 3  to 2 to 1.  

Feb 2016: Found SA! As of June 2016, tapering from 1mg at rate of 5-10% per month, Brassmonkey Slide! 

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Yeah, wow – has anyone else checked this site out? I read a lot of it last night and it was strange to read all the information we know so well from SA presented in an "official public health" way. A lot of inner searching and reflection in their tapering and preparing sections, but I suppose that's really helpful when you're starting out.

 

They don't have specific drug information, and don't actually 'name names' – they direct you to read labels etc. Why would this be? Avoiding legal trouble?

 

Does anyone know more about Laura Delano? Was she ever a member here or at PP? And did she consult with Alto when starting her initiative?

Celexa (Citalopram)    40mg  - 60mg - 40mg for 7 years          Tapered (over 3 months) drug-free Aug–Nov 2013 CRASH

40mg    Dec 2013 – Jan 2017 (7 weeks reinstatement hell then relief)

2017:    20mg    30 Jan       18mg   19 April          16mg   6 May          14mg   20 May      12mg  10 Jun

              10mg   7 July          9mg    7 Aug               8mg     16 Oct          7.5mg  27 Nov         

2018:    7mg      8 Jan          6.5mg  12 Feb          6mg  17 Mar            5.2mg  14 Apr      5mg  28 Apr

             4.8mg  4 Jun           4.6mg   23 Jun         4.4mg   24 Jul          4.2mg 13 Aug      4mg  20 Aug

             3.8mg  1 Sep           3.6mg  28 Sep          3.4mg  14 Oct          3.2mg  11 Nov     3mg  5 Dec

             5mg    26 Dec          10mg  28 Dec

Added Valdoxan 25mg   12 Dec 2018      stopped 24 Jan 2019

Wellbutrin 150mg     25 Jan

 

 

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There's some stuff about her at Mad in America. Also she has some Youtube videos, from memory.

My thread here at SA: https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/1775-bubbles/page/14/

2005 St John's Wort / 2006-2012 Lexapro 20mg, 2 failed attempts to stop, tapered over 4.5 months in early 2012

January 2013 started Sertraline, over time worked up to 100mg / July 2014 dropped from 100mg to 75mg, held for six months

2015 tapered to 50mg over several months, held for several months, some more drops

2016 Feb 35mg, 6 Mar 33mg, more drops (note big drop (calc error) & up to 25mg), more drops (about 2mg at a time)

2017 - more small drops, more long holds

2018 March at 11mg;  April 20 9mg; June 11 8.1mg; (July 10 7.7mg / July 18 7.3mg); ( Sept 2 7.2mg, Sept 5 7.1mg, Sept 9 7mg); 30 Sept 6.5mg, ? 6mg, 23 Nov 5.5mg) 19 Dec 5mg

2019 (micro drops over two weeks 24 Mar 4.9mg, 28 Mar 4.8mg, 31 Mar 4.7mg, 4 Apr 4.6mg, 7 Apr 4.5mg / 22 April 4.4mg, 26 April 4.3mg, 2 May 4.2mg, 5 May 4.1mg, 9 May 4mg), 3 Oct 3.9mg, (20 Oct 3.8mg, 27 Oct 3.7mg, 3 Nov 3.6mg), 24 Nov 3.5mg, 8 Dec 3.4mg, 15 Dec 3.3mg, 22 Dec 3.2mg

2020 19 Jan 3.1mg, 26 Jan 3.0mg; 1 Mar 2.9, 7 Mar 2.8, May (some drops here) 24 May 2.5, May 29 2.4, June 21 2.3, June 28 2.2mg,  July 4 2.1mg, July 24 (or maybe a bit before) 2mg

Current Sertraline: July 24: 2 mg / Armour Thyroid / endless allergy meds, erg

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Thanks Bubbles.

 

Are you writing a book, or compiling research for something? You seem to be across a lot of the research and very knowledgeable. I read a book early this year called Coming of Age on Zoloft by an American author, and it was based around personal stories of using ADs and individual mental health narratives. It was quite thoughtful about how drugs figure in the stories we tell ourselves about our mental health, but I wished it had more to say about difficulties with withdrawal, and how often that is labelled relapse.

 

Do you think that awareness of AD withdrawal is gathering momentum? It seems to be that there are more articles in mainstream media, more sites like Inner Compass being established, and my most recent GP has acknowledged that "some people have a lot of trouble coming off antidepressants" and agreed to prescribe a compounded solution for me! (And THAT is almost the most remarkable development, to my mind!)

 

Beyond my own taper, I find the whole area really interesting.

Celexa (Citalopram)    40mg  - 60mg - 40mg for 7 years          Tapered (over 3 months) drug-free Aug–Nov 2013 CRASH

40mg    Dec 2013 – Jan 2017 (7 weeks reinstatement hell then relief)

2017:    20mg    30 Jan       18mg   19 April          16mg   6 May          14mg   20 May      12mg  10 Jun

              10mg   7 July          9mg    7 Aug               8mg     16 Oct          7.5mg  27 Nov         

2018:    7mg      8 Jan          6.5mg  12 Feb          6mg  17 Mar            5.2mg  14 Apr      5mg  28 Apr

             4.8mg  4 Jun           4.6mg   23 Jun         4.4mg   24 Jul          4.2mg 13 Aug      4mg  20 Aug

             3.8mg  1 Sep           3.6mg  28 Sep          3.4mg  14 Oct          3.2mg  11 Nov     3mg  5 Dec

             5mg    26 Dec          10mg  28 Dec

Added Valdoxan 25mg   12 Dec 2018      stopped 24 Jan 2019

Wellbutrin 150mg     25 Jan

 

 

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Hi,

 

While researching brain zaps, I came across a new-ish website dedicated to withdrawal. The SA forum/website was actually an inspiration for the website. The website is https://withdrawal.theinnercompass.org/. Has anyone else checked it out? I would love to hear the thoughts of the mods. The website is informative, aesthetically pleasing and well-organised; however, It doesn't contain more information than we have on SA.

Regards,

Bee

 

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7 months of polypharmacy in 2015-2016, including at least 4 classes of psych meds.

1st attempt at taper was too fast. 2nd attempt is underway.

1 Mar 2018: 37.5 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 300 mg quetiapine

25 Mar 2020: 30 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 62.5 mg quetiapine

10 June 2020: 30 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 50 mg quetiapine

1 Sep 2020: 30 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 43.75 mg quetiapine

1 Oct 2020: 30 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 37.5 mg quetiapine

 

Supplements: Vit D3, iron, magnesium, Omega 3.

 

I am not a medical professional. All my posts are my opinions only, based on my experiences.

 

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On 9/14/2018 at 1:32 PM, Bee5 said:

I would love to hear the thoughts of the mods

 

@Altostrata and @ChessieCat and @brassmonkey and @Shep, do you have any thoughts on this website?

7 months of polypharmacy in 2015-2016, including at least 4 classes of psych meds.

1st attempt at taper was too fast. 2nd attempt is underway.

1 Mar 2018: 37.5 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 300 mg quetiapine

25 Mar 2020: 30 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 62.5 mg quetiapine

10 June 2020: 30 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 50 mg quetiapine

1 Sep 2020: 30 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 43.75 mg quetiapine

1 Oct 2020: 30 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 37.5 mg quetiapine

 

Supplements: Vit D3, iron, magnesium, Omega 3.

 

I am not a medical professional. All my posts are my opinions only, based on my experiences.

 

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I'm not a member, Bee5, so I'm not qualified to give a review. 

 

Do they give tapering advice for specific drugs or just an overview of the basic "10% or less per month" reduction method? 

 

I would be careful getting information off the internet and do your research thoroughly. If you find that site helpful, then it's a good site for you to use. But it's really too new and we haven't gotten a lot of feedback posted here on SA about it (at least not that I've seen). 

Drug free May 22, 2015 after 30 years of neuroleptics, benzos, z-drugs, so-called "anti"-depressants, and amphetamines 

 

My Success Story:  Shep's Success: "Leaving Plato's Cave"

 

And what is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good — need we ask anyone to tell us these things? ~ Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

 

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On 8/30/2018 at 4:32 PM, TikkiTikki said:

Yeah, wow – has anyone else checked this site out? I read a lot of it last night and it was strange to read all the information we know so well from SA presented in an "official public health" way. A lot of inner searching and reflection in their tapering and preparing sections, but I suppose that's really helpful when you're starting out.

 

They don't have specific drug information, and don't actually 'name names' – they direct you to read labels etc. Why would this be? Avoiding legal trouble?

 

Does anyone know more about Laura Delano? Was she ever a member here or at PP? And did she consult with Alto when starting her initiative?

 

Laura and I have known each other for years. She has been searching for a way to monetize information about tapering and withdrawal. For a fee, she used to provide emotional support but no hard information. Inner Compass, The Withdrawal Project, and her foundation are the latest iteration of her business model. She gets grants.

 

Not too long ago, I asked her how much she'd borrowed from SurvivingAntidepressants and she gave me a vague cover-your-ass answer. So there you go.

 

I guess her project gets more information out in public, so that's all good, but as usual, she leaves the heavy lifting to others. She provides no individualized coaching in tapering.

 

Read your drug inserts.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Thanks for weighing in @Shep and @Altostrata. I just like the way the website is presented (because there are no threads, but pages, which make finding info simpler).

I will however, never discount what SA has to offer in comparison. This forum is probably the best thing that has ever happened to me.

The two are different, but related resources, but as Alto points out, I don't think monetising withdrawal and tapering is a moral idea (unless someone is starting up a physical clinic facility run by lay-people such as our members on SA). 

7 months of polypharmacy in 2015-2016, including at least 4 classes of psych meds.

1st attempt at taper was too fast. 2nd attempt is underway.

1 Mar 2018: 37.5 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 300 mg quetiapine

25 Mar 2020: 30 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 62.5 mg quetiapine

10 June 2020: 30 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 50 mg quetiapine

1 Sep 2020: 30 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 43.75 mg quetiapine

1 Oct 2020: 30 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 37.5 mg quetiapine

 

Supplements: Vit D3, iron, magnesium, Omega 3.

 

I am not a medical professional. All my posts are my opinions only, based on my experiences.

 

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I joined the Inner Compass site just to snoop around. All it required was a username and a password. It is very professionally done - including carefully worded pop-up disclaimer that you must Confirm to be allowed further into the site. It appears to me that a web designer, an editor, and a legal expert have done their jobs. It's slick.  No new information about withdrawal, though. Long and short of it:  the founder has invested in her new startup. 

 

 

1989 - 1992 Parnate* 

1992-1998 Paxil - pooped out*, oxazapam, inderal

1998 - 2005 Celexa - pooped out* klonopin, oxazapam, inderal

*don't remember doses

2005 -2007   Cymbalta 60 mg oxazapam, inderal, klonopin

Started taper in 2007:

CT klonopin, oxazapam, inderal (beta blocker) - 2007

Cymbalta 60mg to 30mg 2007 -2010

July 2010 - March 2018 on hiatus due to worsening w/d symptoms, which abated and finally disappeared. Then I stalled for about 5 years because I didn't want to deal with W/D.

March 2018 - May 2018 switch from 30mg Cymbalta to 20mg Celexa 

19 mg Celexa October 7, 2018

18 mg Celexa November 5, 2018

17 mg Celexa  December 2, 2019

16 mg Celexa January 6, 2018 

15 mg Celexa March 7, 2019

14 mg Celexa April 24, 2019

13 mg Celexa June 28, 2019

12.8 mg Celexa November 10, 2019

12.4 Celexa August 31, 2020

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On 9/18/2018 at 8:00 AM, Altostrata said:

 

Laura and I have known each other for years. She has been searching for a way to monetize information about tapering and withdrawal. For a fee, she used to provide emotional support but no hard information. Inner Compass, The Withdrawal Project, and her foundation are the latest iteration of her business model. She gets grants.

 

Not too long ago, I asked her how much she'd borrowed from SurvivingAntidepressants and she gave me a vague cover-your-ass answer. So there you go.

 

I guess her project gets more information out in public, so that's all good, but as usual, she leaves the heavy lifting to others. She provides no individualized coaching in tapering.

 

Read your drug inserts.

 

Interesting. And disappointing for you.

She refers to the "layperson withdrawal community" in referencing all her information, or something like that, and I found it weird that she didn't name specific websites and communities ( though she does have links or a list later). Also not speaking specifically about individual drugs. 

I did join the Connect thing, but it only enables one-on-one communication, not forums, and it didn't seem heavily populated as yet.

I prefer talking to real people here!! 

 

Someone should write a book about the history of antidepressant withdrawal online communities. I would read it.

Celexa (Citalopram)    40mg  - 60mg - 40mg for 7 years          Tapered (over 3 months) drug-free Aug–Nov 2013 CRASH

40mg    Dec 2013 – Jan 2017 (7 weeks reinstatement hell then relief)

2017:    20mg    30 Jan       18mg   19 April          16mg   6 May          14mg   20 May      12mg  10 Jun

              10mg   7 July          9mg    7 Aug               8mg     16 Oct          7.5mg  27 Nov         

2018:    7mg      8 Jan          6.5mg  12 Feb          6mg  17 Mar            5.2mg  14 Apr      5mg  28 Apr

             4.8mg  4 Jun           4.6mg   23 Jun         4.4mg   24 Jul          4.2mg 13 Aug      4mg  20 Aug

             3.8mg  1 Sep           3.6mg  28 Sep          3.4mg  14 Oct          3.2mg  11 Nov     3mg  5 Dec

             5mg    26 Dec          10mg  28 Dec

Added Valdoxan 25mg   12 Dec 2018      stopped 24 Jan 2019

Wellbutrin 150mg     25 Jan

 

 

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Not so disappointing because I know Laura!!

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

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On 9/20/2018 at 6:58 AM, TikkiTikki said:

Someone should write a book about the history of antidepressant withdrawal online communities. I would read it.


I am new here, just starting my taper, but I’m a medical writer and I would be interested in participating in the writing of a book compiling all the information here on the forum. I have contacted Altostrata so she knows my intention. Ideally, there should be at least one or two sympathetic psychiatrists on board to get credibility.

 

Let’s start the discussion.

1980s: First diagnosed with depression. Treated with a tricyclic. 1988: Switched to Prozac 20 mg after triclyclic stopped working. 1990s to 2010: On and off Prozac. Increased dose led to side effects. 

2010: Work stress led to increased depression/anxiety. Tried several SSRIs but tolerated none of them. Put on Zyprexa. 

2011: Work burnout and breakdown. Hospitalized for suicidal depression. Switched to Seroquel. Prozac increased to 80 mg.

2017: Started psychotherapy. Helped a lot. Switched to Celexa 40 mg and lithium 300 mg. 

2019: Stopped Seroquel. Lost weight.

2020 June: Added Wellbutrin to try and correct sexual dysfunction. Could not tolerate Wellbutrin.

2020 July: Decreased Celexa to 30 mg in attempt to alleviate sexual dysfunction. Worked somewhat.

2020 August: Decreased Celexa to 20 mg. Sexual function improved but w/d effects started. 

2020 September: Maintaining Celexa at 20 mg. Experiencing w/d effects - fatigue, dysphoria, mood instability

2020 September 13: Increased Celexa to 30 mg due to w/d effects. Still on lithium 300 mg/day.

2020 October 3: Reduced Celexa to 27 mg. Started taper. 10% per month as recommended.

 

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