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Rabe Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Thinking about you SOĀ much Carmie...hope things continue to improve. Ā You are truly special and truly amazing and I know you will explore your way through this 'suburb' (cant say Id want to live in it for too long!Ā š) and find special things to share. Ā Hoping there areĀ š's along the way!!!š Ā I never knew what I had was 'akathisia'Ā Ā andĀ that it hadĀ a name until I came here.....Im sorry it brought back those memories. Ā Here are some more balloons for good measure!!! Ā šššššššš -Nardil 1976 <Ā year,Ā stopped. ReactĀ to AD's. Klonopin .5BIDĀ 1990, 2.5mgĀ til 2016 -Klonopin doubledĀ Jan '16.Ā TaperĀ to 2.25mg May to Nov '16.Ā Bad react toĀ Lexapro, stop. ReactĀ to Prevacid too, taperĀ off.Ā -November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. JanĀ '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from FebĀ to JuneĀ '17,Ā Ā Ā Ā -20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25Ā to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day -ClonazepamĀ 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to endĀ November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17 -Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg Ā 5/18 off Amiloride d/t react.Ā Clonaz compoundedĀ Ā -4/27 '18 ViibrydĀ 9.5mg, 6/11Ā 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19Ā Viibryd 8.75mg,Ā ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm,Ā Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19 -July 6'19Ā 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19,Ā -7/27Ā Viibryd 8.5, 8/29Ā 8.25, 10/24Ā 8.0, 12/19Ā 7.75,Ā FebĀ '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21Ā 5.5, 2/23Ā 5.25 -1015Ā AM Viibryd,Ā vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg, Ā 1115Ā 3t fish oil+DĀ 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230Ā Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B VitĀ Ā 1/week,Reacted MagĀ prn Link to comment
Rabe Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Yes, how fortunate everyone tapering here is to have the incredible kindness,Ā guidance, knowledge and support of the moderators and others who have journeyed similar paths....bless you all!š -Nardil 1976 <Ā year,Ā stopped. ReactĀ to AD's. Klonopin .5BIDĀ 1990, 2.5mgĀ til 2016 -Klonopin doubledĀ Jan '16.Ā TaperĀ to 2.25mg May to Nov '16.Ā Bad react toĀ Lexapro, stop. ReactĀ to Prevacid too, taperĀ off.Ā -November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. JanĀ '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from FebĀ to JuneĀ '17,Ā Ā Ā Ā -20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25Ā to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day -ClonazepamĀ 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to endĀ November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17 -Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg Ā 5/18 off Amiloride d/t react.Ā Clonaz compoundedĀ Ā -4/27 '18 ViibrydĀ 9.5mg, 6/11Ā 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19Ā Viibryd 8.75mg,Ā ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm,Ā Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19 -July 6'19Ā 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19,Ā -7/27Ā Viibryd 8.5, 8/29Ā 8.25, 10/24Ā 8.0, 12/19Ā 7.75,Ā FebĀ '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21Ā 5.5, 2/23Ā 5.25 -1015Ā AM Viibryd,Ā vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg, Ā 1115Ā 3t fish oil+DĀ 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230Ā Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B VitĀ Ā 1/week,Reacted MagĀ prn Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 2, 2018 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Rabe said: Thinking about you SOĀ much Carmie...hope things continue to improve. Ā You are truly special and truly amazing and I know you will explore your way through this 'suburb' (cant say Id want to live in it for too long!Ā š) and find special things to share. Ā Hoping there areĀ š's along the way!!!š Ā I never knew what I had was 'akathisia'Ā Ā andĀ that it hadĀ a name until I came here.....Im sorry it brought back those memories. Ā Here are some more balloons for good measure!!! Ā šššššššš Ā Ā Thank u Rabe,Ā Ā You are such a darling, thank u for all your kind words though I donāt feel worthy. YouĀ do know I like balloons. I canāt believe how long the air stays in them. Iāve still got the same balloons on my bedroom wall from a fortnight ago.Ā Ā Yes, akathisia certainly is a horror. There are degrees of it though from being bearable like it is at the moment to feeling like your body is being electrocuted n itās going to explode to not being able to sit still. It is really the worse symptom ever! Iām okay at the moment though, nothing too drastic. Iām so sorry you get it too,Ā Ā Sending balloons right back at uššššš Ā Ā 2 hours ago, Rabe said: Yes, how fortunate everyone tapering here is to have the incredible kindness,Ā guidance, knowledge and support of the moderators and others who have journeyed similar paths....bless you all!š Ā Yes,this site is amazing. You really do learn a lot. Iām in awe of everything Iāve learn on here n how much everyone helps one anotherš Seroquel. 2019:ā”ļøĀ From 7.25mg to 5.80mgāļøĀ 2020ā”ļøFrom 5.60 to 4.80āļøĀ 2021ā”ļøFrom 4.60 to 4.0āļøĀ 2022ā”ļøFrom 3.95 to 3.55āļø2023ā”ļø Jan 26=3.50āļøMarch 17=3.45āļø June12=3.40āļøĀ July30=3.35āļøĀ Sep14=3.30āļøĀ Oct31=3.25āļø 2024ā”ļøJan15=3.20āļø Feb19=3.15āļø March26=3.10āļøThis is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
Miracle123 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Hi Carmie, Thanks for you to coming into my thread and im really appreciated it. How are you?Ā I dont know how to say.....but you are such a wonderful, amazing and cheerful person. You always find solution or happy memories to keep yourself going with your routine life to combat your withdrawal or your emotional as well. This is really inspiration and positive energyĀ needed so much. I love song so much too but got limitation concerts here especially popular singers. I hope thisĀ FasterEft can help you in your emotional way. About akathisia.....i know this uncomfortable ,especially leg and hand you will feel like want to keep moving and feeling itching or something crawling into your leg or hand. This really not good feeling and dislike sometimes but will be over and not permanent. Even now iĀ still have it the akathisia and inner shaking but they not so extreme now and i no longer bother them anymore. Hang in there Carmie. Over time passed this should be better and you will feel it no longer disturb you. LoveĀ and hugs.š Ā Mid December 16 lorezapam 1mg and lexapro 5mg Early April17 updosed lorezapam 2mg, mid Apr17 taper 1.5mg, mid May17-1.25mg, early Jun17- 1mg, mid Jun17-0.75mg, mid July17-0.5mg, End July 17 reduce from 0.4mg, 0.3mg,0.2mg until 0.1mg.lorezapam free on 9 August 2017. Early Mar17 updosed to Lexapro 10mg , end Mar17 reduced 7.5mg, mid May17 reduced 0.5mg, End Aug17 reduced 2.5mg, early Sep17 -1.5mg, Mid Sept-1mg, End Sept - 0.5mg .lexapro free on 26 September 2017 Ā Supplement- omega fish oil and magnesium citrate only. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 2, 2018 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 2, 2018 23 minutes ago, Miracle123 said: Hi Carmie, Thanks for you to coming into my thread and im really appreciated it. How are you?Ā I dont know how to say.....but you are such a wonderful, amazing and cheerful person. You always find solution or happy memories to keep yourself going with your routine life to combat your withdrawal or your emotional as well. This is really inspiration and positive energyĀ needed so much. I love song so much too but got limitation concerts here especially popular singers. I hope thisĀ FasterEft can help you in your emotional way. About akathisia.....i know this uncomfortable ,especially leg and hand you will feel like want to keep moving and feeling itching or something crawling into your leg or hand. This really not good feeling and dislike sometimes but will be over and not permanent. Even now iĀ still have it the akathisia and inner shaking but they not so extreme now and i no longer bother them anymore. Hang in there Carmie. Over time passed this should be better and you will feel it no longer disturb you. LoveĀ and hugs.š Ā Ā Hi Miracle, Thanks for dropping by,Ā Ā Iām not too bad today thank you, bad night last night though. Just taking each day as it comes like everyone.Ā Ā Yes, Iām a very solution oriented person, sometimes it takes me forever to find a solution but I seem to somehow get there in the end. And, yes, I do like making my happy memories. Very important when in windows so you have fun things to look back on in waves n you also know that there will be more happy times.Ā Ā Even in waves itās still important to do things you enjoy even if your too numb to enjoy them. They make for good distractions.Ā Ā Iām glad to hear your akathisia isnāt too bad now. A lot of days I canāt read much because of the severe brain fog due to chronicĀ fatigue syndrome. I still have brain fog, it never goes away, but Iām amazed at how much Iāve been able to read today. Ā Take careš Ā Seroquel. 2019:ā”ļøĀ From 7.25mg to 5.80mgāļøĀ 2020ā”ļøFrom 5.60 to 4.80āļøĀ 2021ā”ļøFrom 4.60 to 4.0āļøĀ 2022ā”ļøFrom 3.95 to 3.55āļø2023ā”ļø Jan 26=3.50āļøMarch 17=3.45āļø June12=3.40āļøĀ July30=3.35āļøĀ Sep14=3.30āļøĀ Oct31=3.25āļø 2024ā”ļøJan15=3.20āļø Feb19=3.15āļø March26=3.10āļøThis is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 2, 2018 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) Okay, Iāve finally made decisions about my tapering. Iām going to continue to taper with 20ml of water as Iāve done for years as I seem to do okay with that n I havenāt confused myself so far despite not being great at math.Ā Ā That being said, Iām still going to microtaper.Ā Ā Firstly Iām going to let my body stabilise from the change of water titrating my tablet to now water titrating a capsule as the change over has caused withdrawals. Ā I can taper down small doses now anyway in 20ml of water as Iām no longer using a 25mg tablet but a 7.5mg capsule. Ā Iāve already worked out my first monthās titration after I stabilise. Here goes: Ā 7.5mg Ā divided by 20ml equals 0.375mg per ml.Ā Ā I can only taper by 5% so 5% of 7.5mg is also 0.375 so I have to go down by one ml for the month.Ā Ā Im going to microtaper so I will go down by 0.09375 each week for the first month. Ā So I will be taking 19ml at the end of the first month.Ā Ā After that I will hold for ten days to two weeks n then start the next lot of tapering n my math will come into play again. Miracles still happenš. Ā Take care everyone ššš Edited September 2, 2018 by manymoretodays none Seroquel. 2019:ā”ļøĀ From 7.25mg to 5.80mgāļøĀ 2020ā”ļøFrom 5.60 to 4.80āļøĀ 2021ā”ļøFrom 4.60 to 4.0āļøĀ 2022ā”ļøFrom 3.95 to 3.55āļø2023ā”ļø Jan 26=3.50āļøMarch 17=3.45āļø June12=3.40āļøĀ July30=3.35āļøĀ Sep14=3.30āļøĀ Oct31=3.25āļø 2024ā”ļøJan15=3.20āļø Feb19=3.15āļø March26=3.10āļøThis is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus manymoretodays Posted September 2, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) Hi Carmie, Ā 5 hours ago, Carmie said: Iām going to let my body stabilise from the change of water titrating my tablet to now water titrating a capsule as the change over has caused withdrawals. Ā Sounds good Carmie. Ā Like Alto said, be sure to keep good notes.Ā Ā Include changes in your dilutions in your notes as well. Ā Here's the format that makes it easy for us to see more clearly if this adjustment is working:Ā daily drug and symptom pattern notes Ā Ā DidĀ you already go from 7.5 mg in 300 mL(your present dilution)Ā to 7.5 mg in 20 mL today(or when taking your dose)? Ā Ā If I were you I think I would consider diluting with 60 mL or even 90 mL, eventually........so you could avoid having to do really small measurements with a oral syringe.Ā Ā The microtapering is a great plan. And I do follow the math.Ā You want to do 1.25% of a decrease each week, for a total of a 5% decrease in a month.Ā Ā Ā Ā Edited September 2, 2018 by manymoretodays notes link Late 2023- gone to emeritus status, inactive, don't @ me, I can check who I've posted on, and I'm not really here like I used to be......thanks. Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.Ā In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm. Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time). 5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014) 12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.Ā My last psycho med ever!Ā Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to 2016 Dec 16,Ā medication free!! Longer signature post here, with current supplements. Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.Ā And.....I quit smoking 11/2021. Lapsed.Ā Redo of quit smoking 9/28/2022.Ā Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)š None of my posts are intended as medical advice.Ā Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider.Ā My success story:Ā Blue skies ahead, clear sailing Ā Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 2, 2018 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 2, 2018 8 hours ago, manymoretodays said: Hi Carmie, Ā Ā Sounds good Carmie. Ā Like Alto said, be sure to keep good notes.Ā Ā Include changes in your dilutions in your notes as well. Ā Here's the format that makes it easy for us to see more clearly if this adjustment is working:Ā daily drug and symptom pattern notes Ā Ā DidĀ you already go from 7.5 mg in 300 mL(your present dilution)Ā to 7.5 mg in 20 mL today(or when taking your dose)? Ā Ā If I were you I think I would consider diluting with 60 mL or even 90 mL, eventually........so you could avoid having to do really small measurements with a oral syringe.Ā Ā The microtapering is a great plan. And I do follow the math.Ā You want to do 1.25% of a decrease each week, for a total of a 5% decrease in a month.Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Hi mmt,Ā Ā Yes, I took the 7.5mg capsule in 20ml of water last night. Later downĀ the line when the measurements get teeny tiny I will probably add more water, thatās a good idea.Ā Ā Yes, my tapering calculations are at 1.25% a week n then a two week hold as per the brassmonkey slide.Ā Ā I will keep good notes.Ā Ā I was okay last night compared to the night before, theĀ akathisia wasnāt severe at all, no movement problems. Phew! I hardly have any strength this morning, I can barely move but has a lot to do with CFS. Iām still in bed, though I am going out to lunch with friends today, Iām being picked up. This is giving me something happy to look forward to.Ā Ā I will just chill in my bed this morning n watch DVDs n crochet n get up every now n again n do a bit of housework. Ā I still have withdrawals from going from tablet to capsule water titration but they are bearable. I will hold for a long time until I stabilise n then start the microtapering.Ā Tonight will be the seventh night on capsule titration.Ā Ā I did my journaling last night, that was very beneficial. Just getting all my thoughts down. I use my computer n I can type quickly n get all those ruminating thoughts out of my head. One feels better after doing that. I kept wondering after last nightās dose too whether I would get severe akathisia that night like I did the night beforeĀ but it didnāt come. Going to do more journaling today. Ā Have a happy day n thanks for dropping byāļøāļøāļøāļø Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Seroquel. 2019:ā”ļøĀ From 7.25mg to 5.80mgāļøĀ 2020ā”ļøFrom 5.60 to 4.80āļøĀ 2021ā”ļøFrom 4.60 to 4.0āļøĀ 2022ā”ļøFrom 3.95 to 3.55āļø2023ā”ļø Jan 26=3.50āļøMarch 17=3.45āļø June12=3.40āļøĀ July30=3.35āļøĀ Sep14=3.30āļøĀ Oct31=3.25āļø 2024ā”ļøJan15=3.20āļø Feb19=3.15āļø March26=3.10āļøThis is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
direstraits Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Hi, @Carmie glad the aka let up for you,sounds like you're doing better,š hope you enjoy your lunch out w/friends. good luck w/ your taper and journaling. Ā dsš¤ā¤ļø went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ctĀ back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 3, 2018 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 3, 2018 Tonight will be day seven of going from titrating my tablet to capsule. This morning I woke up not so great, lots of inner restlessness n akathisia n vibrations. Iāve had this many times in the past but always got through it by distracting myself.Ā Ā Yesterday was a good day, just goes to show how this journey definitely isnāt linear. Ā I remember in the past before I knew anything about tapering that once I spent many months not being able to leave my home, the withdrawals combined with my CFS just made it impossible. I got through it though. Even though I knew nothing about the windows n waves pattern I knew I would always eventually stabilise again. Ā When I was stuck at home for those many months though I did think though that I wouldnāt stabilise until the meds were completely out of my system. I did stabilise again though after that n continued to taper.Ā Ā I have learnt so much on this site too. Itās not just a matter of getting the meds out of your system either, oneās brain still has to heal when the meds are gone. It is a really long process so patience is the key.Ā Ā The last few nights Iāve been journaling. Iām finding this very beneficial. Putting your thoughts down really helps. When I woke up this morning in withdrawals I did the same thing n it has helped me to get all of my ruminations into perspective. I would highly recommend it. When you make things habits start off small otherwise you become overwhelmed n donāt do nothing at all. I started my journaling with doing it in the evening n now I might add doing it first thing in the morning too. Ā Well today it looks like it will be a day of distractions again, DVDs and crocheting will definitely be a part of that. Ā Distract! Distract! Distract! Ā 19 hours ago, direstraits said: Hi, @Carmie glad the aka let up for you,sounds like you're doing better,š hope you enjoy your lunch out w/friends. good luck w/ your taper and journaling. Ā dsš¤ā¤ļø Ā Ā Hi direstraits,Ā Ā Thanks for popping by. Yes, I had a lovely time with friends yesterday. I got a surprise in the morning when a friend from out of town popped in, she was visiting relatives. Good timing, she joined us out for lunch too.Ā Ā I had a yummy Thai curry, the yellow one. Iāve never had the yellow one but it didnāt have a very different distinct flavour, I found it very similar to the red one. I usually make the red one at home. The green one tastes quite different. Ā After lunch one of my friends n I went tea tasting at T2 and The Tea Centre. I usually drink herbal teas but tried a couple of the black teas. I wonāt be buying any of the black teas though because of the caffeine. Ā When I got home I had a look at the tea list n found they make a decaffeinated black tea so I might go back n buy that one. Just the thought of a cup of tea in a pretty cup gives one the image of chilling n unwinding. Hard to do in the midst of withdrawals but one can visualise the image.Ā Ā I really needĀ to buy a few of those pretty cups too for a little pampering. Iām using a mug at the moment. Might get a pretty teapot one day too. I love seeing all the pretty cups n teapots in the tea stores.Ā Ā Hope u are doing okayššš Ā Ā Ā Ā Seroquel. 2019:ā”ļøĀ From 7.25mg to 5.80mgāļøĀ 2020ā”ļøFrom 5.60 to 4.80āļøĀ 2021ā”ļøFrom 4.60 to 4.0āļøĀ 2022ā”ļøFrom 3.95 to 3.55āļø2023ā”ļø Jan 26=3.50āļøMarch 17=3.45āļø June12=3.40āļøĀ July30=3.35āļøĀ Sep14=3.30āļøĀ Oct31=3.25āļø 2024ā”ļøJan15=3.20āļø Feb19=3.15āļø March26=3.10āļøThis is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
direstraits Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Hi, @Carmie glad you had anice lunch with friends,the Thai curry sounds good. I have a detox tea I bought,it has turmeric,cinnamon,lemon and ginger,it's a green tea. I always find drinking tea soothing and comforting. Ā sorry you're feeling worse again,I hope it passes soon. I felt pretty good today,we drove to the shore and got our favorite sausage sandwich,took a short walk on the boardwalk but it was so hot we left early. Ā hope your distractions help you today,you're in my thoughts. š¤ā¤ļø Ā went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ctĀ back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 4, 2018 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 4, 2018 9 hours ago, direstraits said: Hi, @Carmie glad you had anice lunch with friends,the Thai curry sounds good. I have a detox tea I bought,it has turmeric,cinnamon,lemon and ginger,it's a green tea. I always find drinking tea soothing and comforting. Ā sorry you're feeling worse again,I hope it passes soon. I felt pretty good today,we drove to the shore and got our favorite sausage sandwich,took a short walk on the boardwalk but it was so hot we left early. Ā hope your distractions help you today,you're in my thoughts. š¤ā¤ļø Ā Ā Hi Direstraits,Ā Ā Iām so happy to hear youāre having a good day. How wonderful you got to go to the beach. I looove the beach, sorry it got too hot. There really is nothing like being in nature, itās so soothing. I would love to live somewhere near the beach. We have a man madeĀ beach in the middle of the city next to the river. Itās got sand n everthing but there are no waves. I love the sound of waves, thereās just something so relaxing about listening to waves crash. Also no chlorine in the water at the beach.Ā Ā Yes, isnāt it relaxing chilling with a cup of tea. Iām definitely going to get that decaffinated black tea. Iām going to get a few other herb teas too. Time for another tea tastingš. At T2 where I went they will brew you a bit of whatever tea you would like to try. Itās really cool!Ā Ā I got some more balloons too in the mail today. Iām a big kid at heart n I love my balloons. I put them on my āhappy wallā in the bedroom so when I wake up I have lots of happy things to look at. The air stays in balloons such a long time. I popped two of them just now so I could put new ones up. I got yellow ones that have smiley faces on them n I got some long spirally ones. The smiley balloon is smiling at me right nowš. Ā Im getting windows n waves all day long so im doing okay as im getting little breaks inbetween. I ended up watching lots of YouTube videos today. Boy, you can learn a lot on pretty much any subject. Watched a bit of Heartland and The Gilmore Girls too. Heartland has such beautiful scenery, Canada looks so beautiful. Ā Well, Iām going to do some crocheting now n watch some DVDs n then later on I willjournal again. Iām finding journaling really great. I used to do it all the time, it gets my thoughts in perspective. During the day when particular thoughts came up today that I would like to ponder in my journal I just wrote a short sentence about the thought n then later in when I do the journaling I will ponder on in-depth.Ā Ā I hope you have some more lovely times at the beach n it gets a bit cooler for you.Ā Ā Sending hugs your way, would u like a balloon tooššš Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Seroquel. 2019:ā”ļøĀ From 7.25mg to 5.80mgāļøĀ 2020ā”ļøFrom 5.60 to 4.80āļøĀ 2021ā”ļøFrom 4.60 to 4.0āļøĀ 2022ā”ļøFrom 3.95 to 3.55āļø2023ā”ļø Jan 26=3.50āļøMarch 17=3.45āļø June12=3.40āļøĀ July30=3.35āļøĀ Sep14=3.30āļøĀ Oct31=3.25āļø 2024ā”ļøJan15=3.20āļø Feb19=3.15āļø March26=3.10āļøThis is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
direstraits Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Hi @Carmie your happy wall sounds wonderful,you're so creative. not feeling too good this morning,maybe yesterday was too much,after we got home from the shore,we went for ice creamĀ then took another drive listening to the countdown of theĀ top 100 Beatle songs.had anice time though. hope to feel better as the day goes on.š Ā thanks for the hugs and balloon! dsš¤ā¤ļø Ā went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ctĀ back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 4, 2018 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 4, 2018 Today is day eight since changing from water titrating a tablet to doing it with a capsule. Woke up without the internal restlessness n akathisia this morning, though I do have really watery eyes which is no big deal.Ā That happened once the other week too.Ā Ā Yesterday was a windows n waves pattern all day so letās see what happens today. I was going to journal again last night but my brain fog was too bad to do so. I couldnāt focus on it.Ā I did journal in the morning though, n boy does it help. Iām going to journal this morning again.Ā Ā Iāll do it at least once a day, twice if Iām able. Iāve been doing it for a few days now n Iām finding it extremely beneficial. Ā I took notes throughout the day on paper yesterdayĀ about things I want to ponder on when I journal. I guess thatās mini journaling. ItāsĀ still getting thoughts out of oneās brain n stops it from ruminating so much. Ā I still dont have the stength to get out of bed due to my illness this morning,Ā so Iām not sure as yet if today will be a day spent in bed or not. Time will tell.Ā Ā Yesterday morning when the withdrawals were bad I put my headphones on n listened to Bach, his music is very soothing. Someone on YouTube suggested it. I love my music but I donāt listen to much classical, I think I will be listening to more. I did see Andre Rieu in concert, that was amazing. I donāt know much about classical music but I do love Bolero, the crescendo at the end is amazing. Andre played it n was just so intense, I love how that piece build n builds n builds.Ā Ā Iāll probably close my eyes for a few moments longer now n then Iāll figure out what to do with my day whether Iām stuck in bed or not. 7 hours ago, direstraits said: Hi @Carmie your happy wall sounds wonderful,you're so creative. not feeling too good this morning,maybe yesterday was too much,after we got home from the shore,we went for ice creamĀ then took another drive listening to the countdown of theĀ top 100 Beatle songs.had anice time though. hope to feel better as the day goes on.š Ā thanks for the hugs and balloon! dsš¤ā¤ļø Ā Ā Hi Direstraits,Ā Ā Sorry youāre not feeling so great today. Yes, when we push ourselves too much it can certainly ramp up the symptoms. Your drive while cranking up Beatles songs sounds amazing. I went to a show one night where they were singing Beatles songs. I did a little bit of dancing with my friends. Paul McCartney came to town one day too but I didnāt have the money to go at the time so missed out. A friend of mine went though.Ā Ā Rest up today n hopefully your symptoms will settle down a bit again soon. Well itās time for me to shut my eyes a little while longer. I canāt sleep anymore but Iām just going to rest. Maybe Iāll put on some Bach.Ā Ā Have a happy dayāļøāļøāļø Ā Ā Ā Ā Seroquel. 2019:ā”ļøĀ From 7.25mg to 5.80mgāļøĀ 2020ā”ļøFrom 5.60 to 4.80āļøĀ 2021ā”ļøFrom 4.60 to 4.0āļøĀ 2022ā”ļøFrom 3.95 to 3.55āļø2023ā”ļø Jan 26=3.50āļøMarch 17=3.45āļø June12=3.40āļøĀ July30=3.35āļøĀ Sep14=3.30āļøĀ Oct31=3.25āļø 2024ā”ļøJan15=3.20āļø Feb19=3.15āļø March26=3.10āļøThis is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
Rabe Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 šššššššš Thinking of you Carmie! -Nardil 1976 <Ā year,Ā stopped. ReactĀ to AD's. Klonopin .5BIDĀ 1990, 2.5mgĀ til 2016 -Klonopin doubledĀ Jan '16.Ā TaperĀ to 2.25mg May to Nov '16.Ā Bad react toĀ Lexapro, stop. ReactĀ to Prevacid too, taperĀ off.Ā -November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. JanĀ '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from FebĀ to JuneĀ '17,Ā Ā Ā Ā -20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25Ā to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day -ClonazepamĀ 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to endĀ November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17 -Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg Ā 5/18 off Amiloride d/t react.Ā Clonaz compoundedĀ Ā -4/27 '18 ViibrydĀ 9.5mg, 6/11Ā 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19Ā Viibryd 8.75mg,Ā ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm,Ā Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19 -July 6'19Ā 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19,Ā -7/27Ā Viibryd 8.5, 8/29Ā 8.25, 10/24Ā 8.0, 12/19Ā 7.75,Ā FebĀ '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21Ā 5.5, 2/23Ā 5.25 -1015Ā AM Viibryd,Ā vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg, Ā 1115Ā 3t fish oil+DĀ 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230Ā Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B VitĀ Ā 1/week,Reacted MagĀ prn Link to comment
direstraits Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 I saw Paul in concert 25 years ago.it was a once in a lifetime experience. I enjoy classical music,too. today was pretty rough but I made it through,hope tomorrow is better. hope you're able to get out of bed. Ā big hugs,ds xx Ā went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ctĀ back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs. Link to comment
Miracle123 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Hi Carmie, Hang in there. You will be better and stable soon. im understand well when each time dose drop, withdrawals will rise a bit and brain need time to readjust the dose changed. Hope you will be better soon back to your baseline. TakeĀ care and hugs from me.š¤ Mid December 16 lorezapam 1mg and lexapro 5mg Early April17 updosed lorezapam 2mg, mid Apr17 taper 1.5mg, mid May17-1.25mg, early Jun17- 1mg, mid Jun17-0.75mg, mid July17-0.5mg, End July 17 reduce from 0.4mg, 0.3mg,0.2mg until 0.1mg.lorezapam free on 9 August 2017. Early Mar17 updosed to Lexapro 10mg , end Mar17 reduced 7.5mg, mid May17 reduced 0.5mg, End Aug17 reduced 2.5mg, early Sep17 -1.5mg, Mid Sept-1mg, End Sept - 0.5mg .lexapro free on 26 September 2017 Ā Supplement- omega fish oil and magnesium citrate only. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 6, 2018 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 6, 2018 Very braindead at the moment, had a good day withdrawal wise yesterday, today it was windows n waves. Woke up in a slight wave, nothing major.Ā Ā Went to acupuncture today nĀ have booked appointments two months ahead. Havenāt been in months. There was aĀ flower n cake show in one of the beautiful old arcades in the City today. Great photo opportunities. Snap! Snap! Snap! Just been editing. Too braindead at the moment toĀ read or write much though.Ā Ā Have done my journaling earlier on too, thatās slowly becoming a very beneficial habit. Journalāļø Acupuncture āļø. Havenāt started FasterEft as yet, but thatās next in the agenda. I fooled myself thinking I could everything at once. Itās best to make one thing a habit at a time or else you feel overwhelmed n do nothing at all. One foot in front of another n slowly add new things. Journaling has been great!! Ā Letās see what tomorrow brings. I do like not having to crush my tablets anymore, much easier just toĀ open a capsule. Ā On 9/5/2018 at 9:49 AM, Rabe said: šššššššš Thinking of you Carmie! Ā Thanks Rabe, Iām thinking of u too n hope youāve had a good day, well as best as it can be when going through withdrawals šš Ā On 9/5/2018 at 9:55 AM, direstraits said: I saw Paul in concert 25 years ago.it was a once in a lifetime experience. I enjoy classical music,too. today was pretty rough but I made it through,hope tomorrow is better. hope you're able to get out of bed. Ā big hugs,ds xx Ā Ā That cool you saw Paul in concert direstraits,Ā Ā Im sorry you had a rough day, hope today was better. I payed for my Phil Collinās concert today. A friend just got us tickets to Belinda Carlisle and 1927. They are both playing on the same nite. 80ās singers, Yes Iām oldš.Ā Iāve seen 1927 twice before, both times they played with Pseudo Echo. Wonāt you take me to a funky town!š Now to put the pennies together for this next concerts. It helps keep my spirits up knowing I have fun things to look forward to. I love music.Ā Ā Hope youāre coping okay n have had a bit of rest after your big outingsš Ā On 9/5/2018 at 12:36 PM, Miracle123 said: Hi Carmie, Hang in there. You will be better and stable soon. im understand well when each time dose drop, withdrawals will rise a bit and brain need time to readjust the dose changed. Hope you will be better soon back to your baseline. TakeĀ care and hugs from me.š¤ Ā Hi Miracle,Ā Thanks for dropping by. Yes, thatās certainly the way. Every time we taper our brains have to find equilibrium again. We will get there in the end.Ā Ā Hope youāve had a good dayš Seroquel. 2019:ā”ļøĀ From 7.25mg to 5.80mgāļøĀ 2020ā”ļøFrom 5.60 to 4.80āļøĀ 2021ā”ļøFrom 4.60 to 4.0āļøĀ 2022ā”ļøFrom 3.95 to 3.55āļø2023ā”ļø Jan 26=3.50āļøMarch 17=3.45āļø June12=3.40āļøĀ July30=3.35āļøĀ Sep14=3.30āļøĀ Oct31=3.25āļø 2024ā”ļøJan15=3.20āļø Feb19=3.15āļø March26=3.10āļøThis is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
Rabe Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Hi Carmie...thinking about you and so happy to hear things seem to be going pretty well! Ā That is wonderful!!Ā š -Nardil 1976 <Ā year,Ā stopped. ReactĀ to AD's. Klonopin .5BIDĀ 1990, 2.5mgĀ til 2016 -Klonopin doubledĀ Jan '16.Ā TaperĀ to 2.25mg May to Nov '16.Ā Bad react toĀ Lexapro, stop. ReactĀ to Prevacid too, taperĀ off.Ā -November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. JanĀ '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from FebĀ to JuneĀ '17,Ā Ā Ā Ā -20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25Ā to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day -ClonazepamĀ 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to endĀ November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17 -Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg Ā 5/18 off Amiloride d/t react.Ā Clonaz compoundedĀ Ā -4/27 '18 ViibrydĀ 9.5mg, 6/11Ā 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19Ā Viibryd 8.75mg,Ā ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm,Ā Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19 -July 6'19Ā 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19,Ā -7/27Ā Viibryd 8.5, 8/29Ā 8.25, 10/24Ā 8.0, 12/19Ā 7.75,Ā FebĀ '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21Ā 5.5, 2/23Ā 5.25 -1015Ā AM Viibryd,Ā vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg, Ā 1115Ā 3t fish oil+DĀ 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230Ā Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B VitĀ Ā 1/week,Reacted MagĀ prn Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 8, 2018 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Rabe said: Hi Carmie...thinking about you and so happy to hear things seem to be going pretty well! Ā That is wonderful!!Ā š Ā Hi Rabe,Ā Ā Thanks for dropping by. Today n yesterday it was windows n waves all day. I keep doing things to distract myself though. Went to the City today n to the library there . Also sat n watched a band playingĀ on the Mall n had lunch. There were such pretty flowers in the flower bed on the Mall, they are always changing the flowers. Even when Iām feeling numb I still look out for the beauty around me.Ā Ā I think it might take a while still to stabilize due to going from tablets to capsules. Iām not tapering again until I stabilize.Ā Ā Bad brain fog at the moment (CFS) so Iām watching dvds n crocheting. Doesnāt take much brainpower.Ā Ā Hope you stabilise soon tooššš Ā Feeling anhedonic today but i keep doing things anyway. If Iām well enough tomorrow Iāll be catching up with friends in the morning Ā Ā Seroquel. 2019:ā”ļøĀ From 7.25mg to 5.80mgāļøĀ 2020ā”ļøFrom 5.60 to 4.80āļøĀ 2021ā”ļøFrom 4.60 to 4.0āļøĀ 2022ā”ļøFrom 3.95 to 3.55āļø2023ā”ļø Jan 26=3.50āļøMarch 17=3.45āļø June12=3.40āļøĀ July30=3.35āļøĀ Sep14=3.30āļøĀ Oct31=3.25āļø 2024ā”ļøJan15=3.20āļø Feb19=3.15āļø March26=3.10āļøThis is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 9, 2018 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 9, 2018 Today is day twelve since changing from water titrating a tablet to capsule, there have been windows n waves throughout the twelve days. Usually itās been windows n waves all on the same day but today I had a day with a full window. I had another day like that this week too. Who knows what tomorrow will bring, one moment at a time does it.Ā Ā Had a nice morning with friends, also finished crocheting a blanket for a friendĀ n watched DVDs. Have been watching The House Of Elliot, love period dramas. I just ordered series one of Larkrise To Candleford, another great period drama.Ā Itās good to have lots of things to watch when youāre not well enough to do much else. I have Netflix too though but I still but DVDs. Dvds and Netflix have gotten me through some big waves.Ā Ā Well Iām off to bed, good nite Zzzzzzz Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Seroquel. 2019:ā”ļøĀ From 7.25mg to 5.80mgāļøĀ 2020ā”ļøFrom 5.60 to 4.80āļøĀ 2021ā”ļøFrom 4.60 to 4.0āļøĀ 2022ā”ļøFrom 3.95 to 3.55āļø2023ā”ļø Jan 26=3.50āļøMarch 17=3.45āļø June12=3.40āļøĀ July30=3.35āļøĀ Sep14=3.30āļøĀ Oct31=3.25āļø 2024ā”ļøJan15=3.20āļø Feb19=3.15āļø March26=3.10āļøThis is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus manymoretodays Posted September 9, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 9, 2018 Good morning here mate!Ā Yes, movies!!! Ā 2 full window days is great, Carmie.Ā Late 2023- gone to emeritus status, inactive, don't @ me, I can check who I've posted on, and I'm not really here like I used to be......thanks. Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988.Ā In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm. Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time). 5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014) 12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.Ā My last psycho med ever!Ā Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to 2016 Dec 16,Ā medication free!! Longer signature post here, with current supplements. Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.Ā And.....I quit smoking 11/2021. Lapsed.Ā Redo of quit smoking 9/28/2022.Ā Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)š None of my posts are intended as medical advice.Ā Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider.Ā My success story:Ā Blue skies ahead, clear sailing Ā Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 9, 2018 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 9, 2018 7 hours ago, manymoretodays said: Good morning here mate!Ā Yes, movies!!! Ā 2 full window days is great, Carmie.Ā Ā Good morning Manymoretodays,Ā Ā Well now itās nighttime where you areš. I woke up in a window again today, we will see what the rest of the day will bring. Today is day thirteen since changing from water titrating a tablet to doing it with a capsule. Even if I get lots of windows this week n feel like Iām stabilising a bit I wonāt be tapering again for at least a few weeks. I will see the swapover as a taper n give it at least a month to stabilise properly.Ā Ā I think the theĀ holds are just as important as the amount we taper. Slow n steady does it. It sure beats the opposite of horrendous acute withdrawals.Ā Ā Today IāmĀ spending the day at home, though I may get the urge to go for a little walk later. I have so many projects on the go n I will do whatever Iām in the mood in at the time, I love reading, art n crafts, my DVDs etc etc. Might even do a bit of spring cleaning. Ā Iām always spring cleaning, I donāt like lots of clutter, Iām always getting rid of things.Ā Ā A friend of mine sent me cards that she makes. Sheās really ill and in a lot of pain and making cards is what distracts her and makes her happy. Iāve made cards in the past too and did scrapbooking. Anyway, Iām going to send these cards to friends today, well Iām going to write in them today anyway.Ā Ā Iām going to put yellow smiley face balloons in them n tell people to have a happy day. I love balloons, Iāve always got some blown up in the bedroom, Iāve got a smiley face one on my wall at the moment too. It makes me happy to put smiles on peopleās faces. Itās good when one is going through withdrawals too to do nice things for others as it brings joy to our hearts. Itās nice to receive something in the mail from friends, instead of electronically. If you want to send people letters or cards you can put all sorts of little treats in there, like tea bags, stickers, bookmarks etc etc.Ā Ā Iām looking forward to watching some more of The House Of Elliot today. Itās all about two sisters who open up their fashion business at the turn of the century some time. Watching it has made me want to sew something. I havenāt made clothes in such a long time. So many things one can do.Ā Ā Hope youĀ have a happy day āļøāļøāļø Ā Ā Ā Ā Seroquel. 2019:ā”ļøĀ From 7.25mg to 5.80mgāļøĀ 2020ā”ļøFrom 5.60 to 4.80āļøĀ 2021ā”ļøFrom 4.60 to 4.0āļøĀ 2022ā”ļøFrom 3.95 to 3.55āļø2023ā”ļø Jan 26=3.50āļøMarch 17=3.45āļø June12=3.40āļøĀ July30=3.35āļøĀ Sep14=3.30āļøĀ Oct31=3.25āļø 2024ā”ļøJan15=3.20āļø Feb19=3.15āļø March26=3.10āļøThis is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
Rabe Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 SO happy for your window Carmie!!!Ā š -Nardil 1976 <Ā year,Ā stopped. ReactĀ to AD's. Klonopin .5BIDĀ 1990, 2.5mgĀ til 2016 -Klonopin doubledĀ Jan '16.Ā TaperĀ to 2.25mg May to Nov '16.Ā Bad react toĀ Lexapro, stop. ReactĀ to Prevacid too, taperĀ off.Ā -November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. JanĀ '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from FebĀ to JuneĀ '17,Ā Ā Ā Ā -20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25Ā to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day -ClonazepamĀ 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to endĀ November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17 -Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg Ā 5/18 off Amiloride d/t react.Ā Clonaz compoundedĀ Ā -4/27 '18 ViibrydĀ 9.5mg, 6/11Ā 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19Ā Viibryd 8.75mg,Ā ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm,Ā Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19 -July 6'19Ā 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19,Ā -7/27Ā Viibryd 8.5, 8/29Ā 8.25, 10/24Ā 8.0, 12/19Ā 7.75,Ā FebĀ '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21Ā 5.5, 2/23Ā 5.25 -1015Ā AM Viibryd,Ā vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg, Ā 1115Ā 3t fish oil+DĀ 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230Ā Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B VitĀ Ā 1/week,Reacted MagĀ prn Link to comment
Miracle123 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Im so happy to hear you got a good window, its great carmie.Ā šĀ Take care and hugs. Mid December 16 lorezapam 1mg and lexapro 5mg Early April17 updosed lorezapam 2mg, mid Apr17 taper 1.5mg, mid May17-1.25mg, early Jun17- 1mg, mid Jun17-0.75mg, mid July17-0.5mg, End July 17 reduce from 0.4mg, 0.3mg,0.2mg until 0.1mg.lorezapam free on 9 August 2017. Early Mar17 updosed to Lexapro 10mg , end Mar17 reduced 7.5mg, mid May17 reduced 0.5mg, End Aug17 reduced 2.5mg, early Sep17 -1.5mg, Mid Sept-1mg, End Sept - 0.5mg .lexapro free on 26 September 2017 Ā Supplement- omega fish oil and magnesium citrate only. Link to comment
DMV64 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Yay! Windows! So happy for you! 2001- Klonopin 0.125 mg.Ā 2011- increase to 1 mg.Ā 2018- increase to 1.5 mg. Taper 2023-2024. Taper complete! 2010- Trials of SSRI's, several. 2011- Saphris 5 mg. CT. 6/2017- retry Saphris 5 mg sublingual, begin taper August 2020Ā 10%Ā taper with scale, and final taper liquid sublingual, August 2019- taper complete! 2011- Geodon 20 mg. Begin taper Sept 2019. 10% liquid taper.Ā 2020: December-5 mg. 2021: Jan-4.5mg. (held Feb.forĀ vacation). March-4mg. Apr-3.6mg. May-3.2mg. June-2.8mg. (Held July for vacation). Aug-2.4mg. Sept.- 2.2mg. Oct. 2mg. Dec 2022 - Taper complete! 2011- Gabapentin 300 mg to present- 2020. Increase 2023 to 400mg. 2014- Vyvanse 20 mg, 2020- Vyvanse 5 mg. Increase August 2022 20mg. CT (unavailable) 4/2023 2016- Lithium 300 mg, June 2016 - FT. 2017- Cogentin 0.5 mg. June-August 2019- off Cogentin. 2018- Lamictal 300mg. Holding 2021 - Hydroxyzine 30mg. Holding. 2014 Omeprazole 20 mg and holding, Omega 3's/fish oil, Magnesium Ā Link to comment
Hopefull Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 On 9/10/2018 at 8:20 AM, Carmie said: Ā Good morning Manymoretodays,Ā Ā Well now itās nighttime where you areš. I woke up in a window again today, we will see what the rest of the day will bring. Today is day thirteen since changing from water titrating a tablet to doing it with a capsule. Even if I get lots of windows this week n feel like Iām stabilising a bit I wonāt be tapering again for at least a few weeks. I will see the swapover as a taper n give it at least a month to stabilise properly.Ā Ā I think the theĀ holds are just as important as the amount we taper. Slow n steady does it. It sure beats the opposite of horrendous acute withdrawals.Ā Ā Today IāmĀ spending the day at home, though I may get the urge to go for a little walk later. I have so many projects on the go n I will do whatever Iām in the mood in at the time, I love reading, art n crafts, my DVDs etc etc. Might even do a bit of spring cleaning. Ā Iām always spring cleaning, I donāt like lots of clutter, Iām always getting rid of things.Ā Ā A friend of mine sent me cards that she makes. Sheās really ill and in a lot of pain and making cards is what distracts her and makes her happy. Iāve made cards in the past too and did scrapbooking. Anyway, Iām going to send these cards to friends today, well Iām going to write in them today anyway.Ā Ā Iām going to put yellow smiley face balloons in them n tell people to have a happy day. I love balloons, Iāve always got some blown up in the bedroom, Iāve got a smiley face one on my wall at the moment too. It makes me happy to put smiles on peopleās faces. Itās good when one is going through withdrawals too to do nice things for others as it brings joy to our hearts. Itās nice to receive something in the mail from friends, instead of electronically. If you want to send people letters or cards you can put all sorts of little treats in there, like tea bags, stickers, bookmarks etc etc.Ā Ā Iām looking forward to watching some more of The House Of Elliot today. Itās all about two sisters who open up their fashion business at the turn of the century some time. Watching it has made me want to sew something. I havenāt made clothes in such a long time. So many things one can do.Ā Ā Hope youĀ have a happy day āļøāļøāļø Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Hi Carmie, Your kindness and joyfulness shines through your last post. I am really happy for you that you are feeling better.Ā Your positive outlook and nature will get you to the finish line. I have to say that it was a glorious, sunny, warm, Spring day today. It is days like this that make me feel happy and somewhat normal. Take care my friend, Ā Hopefull. Ā DRUG HISTORY: Ā November 2013- Zoloft, ( Bad reaction). January 2014 - March 2014 Seroquel.( Quit Cold Turkey). January2014- Mirtazapine, I was taking 15mg at one stage, reduced to 7.5mg, Pgad reactions to Mirtazapine. Doctor kept increasing it to 37.5mg, until July 2014. No improvement, experiencing panic attacks, on 37.5 mg. I had enough by October 2014. Began tapering. October 2014- Started tapering Mirtazapine from 37.5mg. September 2015- Down to 4mg of Mirtazapine. Crashed. September 16th- Up dosed to 5mg. Held this dose for almost 5 months. Stabilised. February 2016- Began tapering again. From 5mg to 4.5mg of Mirtazapine. (Rocking the boat, again)! Lol. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 11, 2018 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 11, 2018 Hi @brassmonkey Ā Im thinking of doing the brassmonkey slide. I have been doing water titration from a 25mg tablet n Iāve gotten down to 7.5mg. I just changed to a 7.5mg capsule two weeks ago and itās put me in withdrawals. I realised that all measurements arenāt the same as I measured syringes against each other and they were different, so when changing to capsule there may have been a difference in measurement. Ā When I stabilise I want to continue water titrating the capsule.Ā Ā I though Iād get the capsule as itās easier to do smaller amounts with 7.5mg rather than 25mg. I saw on Rabeās thread though that you said itās better to use the original tablet. When I stabilise do you think I should go back to the original tablet and stabilise on that again n go from there? Or is it okay to continue with the compounded formula? Ā Would appreciate your input, thank you. Ā Sending hugsš¤ Seroquel. 2019:ā”ļøĀ From 7.25mg to 5.80mgāļøĀ 2020ā”ļøFrom 5.60 to 4.80āļøĀ 2021ā”ļøFrom 4.60 to 4.0āļøĀ 2022ā”ļøFrom 3.95 to 3.55āļø2023ā”ļø Jan 26=3.50āļøMarch 17=3.45āļø June12=3.40āļøĀ July30=3.35āļøĀ Sep14=3.30āļøĀ Oct31=3.25āļø 2024ā”ļøJan15=3.20āļø Feb19=3.15āļø March26=3.10āļøThis is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 11, 2018 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 11, 2018 @brassmonkey Ā P.s. I only take one capsule in the evening.Ā Ā Thanks again Seroquel. 2019:ā”ļøĀ From 7.25mg to 5.80mgāļøĀ 2020ā”ļøFrom 5.60 to 4.80āļøĀ 2021ā”ļøFrom 4.60 to 4.0āļøĀ 2022ā”ļøFrom 3.95 to 3.55āļø2023ā”ļø Jan 26=3.50āļøMarch 17=3.45āļø June12=3.40āļøĀ July30=3.35āļøĀ Sep14=3.30āļøĀ Oct31=3.25āļø 2024ā”ļøJan15=3.20āļø Feb19=3.15āļø March26=3.10āļøThis is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 11, 2018 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 11, 2018 On 9/10/2018 at 12:43 PM, Rabe said: SO happy for your window Carmie!!!Ā š Ā On 9/10/2018 at 7:30 PM, Miracle123 said: Im so happy to hear you got a good window, its great carmie.Ā šĀ Take care and hugs. Ā On 9/10/2018 at 10:18 PM, DMV64 said: Yay! Windows! So happy for you! Ā Hi Rabe, Miracle and DMV,Ā Ā Yes, arenāt windows great when they come. A great YAY for those windows.Ā Ā Yesterday was a windows and waves day, though mainly windows. Having windows on the same day as waves certainly makes the waves easier to deal with. I havenāt been too bad. Itās one day at a time though as you never know what the next moment will bring.Ā Ā Wishing you all lots of windowsššš Ā Ā 11 hours ago, Hopefull said: Ā Hi Carmie, Your kindness and joyfulness shines through your last post. I am really happy for you that you are feeling better.Ā Your positive outlook and nature will get you to the finish line. I have to say that it was a glorious, sunny, warm, Spring day today. It is days like this that make me feel happy and somewhat normal. Take care my friend, Ā Hopefull. Ā Ā Hi Hopefull,Ā Ā Thank you for your lovely message. Iām so glad you enjoyed a glorious spring day. I think itās so important to still look at the blessings and beauty around us no matter how weāre feeling. I think nature is one of the best things ever. No matter how bad one is feeling being in nature seems to lift the spirits. Ā I remember once being so ill and I got someone to drive me to the beach and I got my emotional equilibrium back while there. I waded through the water, looked at shells, sat in the sand and enjoyed the sea breeze. I would love to live near the water.Ā Ā Iām off to the acupuncturist today in the City. I started acupuncture again last week. They have farmers markets in the City on a Wednesday too so Iāll get a few goodies. It is overcast today but there is sunshine in my heartšāļø. We get lots of sunshine here in Queensland.Ā Ā I hope you haveĀ many more ānormalā days. Our normal is quite different from those not going through withdrawals. Ā Sending hugs to youš¤ Seroquel. 2019:ā”ļøĀ From 7.25mg to 5.80mgāļøĀ 2020ā”ļøFrom 5.60 to 4.80āļøĀ 2021ā”ļøFrom 4.60 to 4.0āļøĀ 2022ā”ļøFrom 3.95 to 3.55āļø2023ā”ļø Jan 26=3.50āļøMarch 17=3.45āļø June12=3.40āļøĀ July30=3.35āļøĀ Sep14=3.30āļøĀ Oct31=3.25āļø 2024ā”ļøJan15=3.20āļø Feb19=3.15āļø March26=3.10āļøThis is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted September 12, 2018 Moderator Share Posted September 12, 2018 Hi Carmie-- it looks like you got caught between changes in measuring and delivery system.Ā With each one being just a little different it's pretty easy for symptoms to take an upswing.Ā Give it a few weeks and things should be back to normal. Ā Using the 7.5mgai compounded capsules shouldn't cause any problems.Ā The compounding just throws another variable into the mix that might at some point cause some problems.Ā I'm a big fan of working with the original medication.Ā It has better consistency than compounded capsules, the source material is more predictable to get and it usually costs less.Ā Currently you'd be getting just over three doses from one tablet, so you would be getting a "free dose" about every three tablets.Ā This would accelerate as you decrease further saving more money. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.Ā The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg.Ā Ā Ā Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 Ā "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."Ā Stephen Hawking Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 12, 2018 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 12, 2018 Hi @brassmonkey Ā Thank you so much for replying. Iām in a bit of a dilemma as to what to do now. Iāve got six months worth of compounded 7.5mg capsules. Maybe I should just keep using those for now. Iām still deciding. If I go back to the original tablet after I stabilise from the compounded capsule I will go back into withdrawals again because as you said different measuring n delivery systems. Iām worried changing so much so close will destabilise me and make me go into a major wave.Ā Ā Another thing i ponder though is when i when I get my next batch of 7.5mg in six months time will they be the same as this last batch? At least the delivery system is still the same I guess.Ā Ā Maybe I should just continue with the compounding formula n if I decide to do so somewhere down the track I can go back to the tablets. You said the compounding formula shouldnāt cause too many problems. I just donāt want to skip back n forth so close together as it might play havoc with my brain.Ā Ā Thanks again š Ā Ā Ā Ā Seroquel. 2019:ā”ļøĀ From 7.25mg to 5.80mgāļøĀ 2020ā”ļøFrom 5.60 to 4.80āļøĀ 2021ā”ļøFrom 4.60 to 4.0āļøĀ 2022ā”ļøFrom 3.95 to 3.55āļø2023ā”ļø Jan 26=3.50āļøMarch 17=3.45āļø June12=3.40āļøĀ July30=3.35āļøĀ Sep14=3.30āļøĀ Oct31=3.25āļø 2024ā”ļøJan15=3.20āļø Feb19=3.15āļø March26=3.10āļøThis is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 12, 2018 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just documenting that I had a day of windows and waves, quite a lot of waves but they were bearable. Today is day 15 since changing from tablet to capsule.Ā Ā Went to acupuncture, that was really relaxing. He put a needle on the top of my head, a couple around my wrists n a couple around my ankle area, nothing stimulating or detoxing. He is such a nice acupuncturist, will do whatever I ask. Going again tomorrow. Ā Iāve done my journaling for the day, been doing that for a couple of weeks now too, it really helps with ruminating thoughts. Journaling is starting to become a habit again, Iām finding I have to do it now, I miss it if I donāt. Ā Hope everyone is coping as best they can š Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Seroquel. 2019:ā”ļøĀ From 7.25mg to 5.80mgāļøĀ 2020ā”ļøFrom 5.60 to 4.80āļøĀ 2021ā”ļøFrom 4.60 to 4.0āļøĀ 2022ā”ļøFrom 3.95 to 3.55āļø2023ā”ļø Jan 26=3.50āļøMarch 17=3.45āļø June12=3.40āļøĀ July30=3.35āļøĀ Sep14=3.30āļøĀ Oct31=3.25āļø 2024ā”ļøJan15=3.20āļø Feb19=3.15āļø March26=3.10āļøThis is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted September 12, 2018 Moderator Share Posted September 12, 2018 Hi Carmie-- I'm just here to add to the confusion by pointing out things that could be a factorĀ and need to be taken into consideration. BTW you're doing a great job of understanding.Ā If you already have six months worth, by all means use them, no need to spend money on others.Ā The next batch could be just a little different (5% from what you've been saying) so it might be a good idea to plan for a cross taper between the two batches, when the time comes.Ā That will minimize the chances of having an upswing in symptoms. It's not a given fact that there will be problems when starting the new batch but adding secondary anxiety by worrying about it is a sure way to make it happen.Ā When it comes down to it, stability and consistency are the two most important parts of a good taper plan.Ā How you get there is just adjusting the details. Ā Brassmonkey 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.Ā The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg.Ā Ā Ā Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 Ā "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."Ā Stephen Hawking Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 13, 2018 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 13, 2018 Thanks for your message @brassmonkey Ā Well Iāll just keep taking the capsules for now. When I stabilise Iāll start tapering them, it mayĀ be a little while yet.Ā Ā No hurry as it will be five or sixĀ months or so before I get my next bunch of meds but how do you cross taper between two batches? As you said though there probably wonāt be any problems. I might just take the new batch n hold it for a while before tapering just in case.Ā Ā Donāt our minds do weird things when new things are thrown into the equation of tapering! Okay time to tame the secondary anxiety.Ā Ā I hope youāre doing well, have a happy dayāļøāļøāļø Ā Ā Seroquel. 2019:ā”ļøĀ From 7.25mg to 5.80mgāļøĀ 2020ā”ļøFrom 5.60 to 4.80āļøĀ 2021ā”ļøFrom 4.60 to 4.0āļøĀ 2022ā”ļøFrom 3.95 to 3.55āļø2023ā”ļø Jan 26=3.50āļøMarch 17=3.45āļø June12=3.40āļøĀ July30=3.35āļøĀ Sep14=3.30āļøĀ Oct31=3.25āļø 2024ā”ļøJan15=3.20āļø Feb19=3.15āļø March26=3.10āļøThis is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
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