Carmie: accidently doubling up on Seroquel one day while tapering

[Bunyapine]

@ChessieCat I am wondering if you have any information on liquid form of drugs(Prozac). In late 2017 I reduced from 15 mg to 14.5 mg (compounded generic liquid). In Jan I was worried the the liquid had lumpy bits which I could not dissolve by shaking.

The pharmicist suggested switching to pure Prozac powder. I have been on that since Jan 2018. I have been getting increased anxiety and ocd. It seems to be getting worse. Is this just more withdrawal symptoms from a reduced dose and changing form of Prozac earlier on?

 

I get a 60 day dose and towards the lower part of the bottle, it tastes weaker. The new bottle which I have just started is very strong in taste. I know this is the flavouring, but would it be better to get a 30 day dose. Since I started the new bottle, I am getting increased anxiety and ocd a week later. I am very sensitive to minor fluctuations, so maybe the end of one bottle and the start of another is changing dosage. The pharmacist admits 60 days may be too long for the liquid to remain effective. I have never really gone to the bottom of the bottle.

 

[Bunyapine]

@Carmie Hi Carmie. I see you are having problems. I am thinking of you as I try to deal with my increased anxiety and ocd. I hope your distractions are working. I hope I put my new post about compounded medications in the right place. 

[Carmie]

1 minute ago, Bunyapine said:

@Carmie Hi Carmie. I see you are having problems. I am thinking of you as I try to deal with my increased anxiety and ocd. I hope your distractions are working. I hope I put my new post about compounded medications in the right place. 

 

Hi Bunyapine, 

 

Im sorry that you’re struggling with increased anxiety n ocd. Thank u for thinking of me, it is much appreciated. Do u know how to use your own introduction page?

 

I see you wanted ChessieCat to give u some info but it might be better to put it in your personal introduction page. It’s hard to navigate around sometimes when you’re struggling. Can you find your page? 

 

I’m struggling with severe brain fog at the moment. 

 

Yes, distractions are the only way to go through waves.

 

Sending you hugs Bunyapine🤗

[Bunyapine]

@Carmie I have finally found my introduction page, but not before the last post unfortunately. I suppose I will have to do it again. Silly me!

[Carmie]

Just now, Bunyapine said:

@Carmie I have finally found my introduction page, but not before the last post unfortunately. I suppose I will have to do it again. Silly me!

 

Hey Bunyapine, 

 

Cool for you. You are getting the hang of it!! Well done!! 

 

Wishing you all the best in the hardest journey of our lives💚

[Carmie]

Hi everyone, 

 

Thank u so much for those who have connected with me on here. I am really struggling to think at the moment due to withdrawals n my illness but I wanted to say pleeeeeeeease find distractions that will keep you going through the hard times. 

 

My brain thinks of a million creative things to do to help me to keep going. I am so sure that even if you think you aren’t creative you still have a creative streak in you. Sometimes it’s just suppressed . You don’t have to do anything overwhelming, just grab a paint brush n splash the colours on there or do diamond paintings where you stick beads onto letters n numbers. 

 

Go out in nature, take photos, edit photos. I love editing photos, it’s gotten me through many a wave. If you’re well enough just hop on a bus to a suburb you’ve never been to n explore n take photos. 

 

If youre stuck in bed watch DVDs n movies that inspire you, that you can learn from, that make you think. I’ve been watching who dunnits today n I guessed who dunnit in the latest Miss Marple mystery😀.

 

I find knitting n crocheting an amazing distraction. If you already know how to do it it is a great thing to do while watching the movies etc. If you can’t do it it is an amazing distraction. Maybe learn how to do it. I’m no expert, I only know basics but I can tell you making simple crochet blankets for friends for the last few years has kept me sane. At one stage knitting twirly scarves for friends did the same thing. 

 

I was going to catch up with friends tonight but don’t have the strength. There is always another day. Don’t feel guilty about the things you can’t do. I spend a lot of time with friends but sometimes I can’t. 

 

Hang in there everyone. I know that we can always feels like a victim in this process of withdrawals but there are things we can still do for ourselves.

 

Sending much love💚💚

[direstraits]

sending love and healing vibes  to you ,dear @Carmie

your strength continues to amaze me.

🤗❤️🤗

[Carmie]

19 hours ago, direstraits said:

sending love and healing vibes  to you ,dear @Carmie

your strength continues to amaze me.

🤗❤️🤗

 

Hi Direstraits, 

 

Thanks for popping by and your kind words. Hope you’re coping okay today. I woke up in a wave n I’m in a wave again this evening, though I had a lot of windows during the day. 

 

Been trying to focus on things all eve but my brain has gone up, up and away😀 so I’m just watching Netflix n crocheting. Neither take too much brain power. Tomorrow is another day, let’s see what kind it will be. We really don’t know from one second to the next how we are going to be, that’s why I always have a million things on hand that I can use as distractions , even if I can barely think. 

 

Take care, chat again when my brain comes back. Sending hugs🤗💚

[Moya]

Carmie I've sent you a message please have a look 

[PapayaShake]

Hi Carmie I read your message in my thread and answered there. Thanks so much for stopping by you are so sweet. Im sorry you don't feel too well and had to cancel your plans. But you will feel better. I have been there, I was stuck at home a couple of months ago because of a very bad wave and now I'm feeling more stable and being able to catch up with people, so  I know you will feel better.

Just keeping on distracting 😄

[Carmie]

49 minutes ago, PapayaShake said:

Hi Carmie I read your message in my thread and answered there. Thanks so much for stopping by you are so sweet. Im sorry you don't feel too well and had to cancel your plans. But you will feel better. I have been there, I was stuck at home a couple of months ago because of a very bad wave and now I'm feeling more stable and being able to catch up with people, so  I know you will feel better.

Just keeping on distracting 😄

 

Hi Papayashake, 

 

Thanks for dropping by. I’m so glad to hear that you are feeling a bit more stable. Stability always comes after waves, we just don’t know when. Wouldn’t it be great if we knew when. Im glad you’ve been able to get out and socialise. I still socialise when I’m in waves but at other times I just want to stay home. 

 

Yes, distractions are the way to go. I’ve become quite an expert😂. 

 

Today im spending the day at home but I might go out a bit later on. I watched a Mr Bean movie yesterday which made me smile. It’s good watching comedies when you’re going through this. When we think our brains are bad n confused n we are all over the place just watch Mr Bean. You will be feeling normal in no time😜. I haven’t seen the latest Johnny English movie yet but the last two were hilarious.

 

Hope you have a happy day☀️☀️☀️

 

7 hours ago, Moya said:

Carmie I've sent you a message please have a look 

 

Hi Moya, I private messaged you back n have gone to your thread too💚

 

 

 

 

[Carmie]

Just documenting. Was in a wave most of the day, just been distracting myself. It is day 52 since changing over from water titrating a tablet to doing the same with a compounded capsule. One of these days I will stabilise n actually be able to start tapering this compounded formula. I feel like I haven’t moved forward for ages as I had a long, long hold this year as I had a lot of things on n needed a break from tapering and now I’m changing formulas I’m on a hold again due to withdrawals. 

 

It will be good to feel like im moving forward again. I’m not working to a calendar. I’m working according to how my body feels. I wonder how much longer it will take to stabilise this change. It’s almost been two months. I will get there in the end though. I wonder if it will be another month or less or more. Who knows? 

 

Have had lots of stress today, unrelated to withdrawals, but I guess that doesn’t help withdrawals either. Stress can ramp up our nervous systems.

 

This afternoon I’m struggling to focus on anything, I’ve been watching DVDs and crocheting as that doesn’t take much brain power. Wanted to go for a bit of a walk but don’t have any strength. I might change to Netflix now, big change from DVDs😂.

 

Take care everyone💚

 

 

 

 

[Miracle123]

Hi Carmie, So sorry to hear that you took so long and still dealing with waves. Im understand its not easy and torture but you are so tough and positive attidue can get thru this. Pease always listen to your body and if the waves still there maybe just hold for a bit while. 

Stress is a factor to flare up our withdrawals, moody and emotional. Keep distraction and keep yourself busy.Doing your flavourite stuff like listening to the music, walking into beach or jungle tracking or burn time to watch movie or Dvd also a great ideals. Me too ....spending most my time watching movie or series drama if im free or climbing mountain or jungle tracking close to the natural to feel relax and peace of mind.

I hope you....little ray of hope and happiness continue to spread your sunshine seeds into this forum. Wishing your waves will be over over very soon and you can continue your next tapering without too much trouble.

Love and sending my big big hugs for you.❤️🤗😘

 

[Carmie]

1 hour ago, Miracle123 said:

Hi Carmie, So sorry to hear that you took so long and still dealing with waves. Im understand its not easy and torture but you are so tough and positive attidue can get thru this. Pease always listen to your body and if the waves still there maybe just hold for a bit while. 

Stress is a factor to flare up our withdrawals, moody and emotional. Keep distraction and keep yourself busy.Doing your flavourite stuff like listening to the music, walking into beach or jungle tracking or burn time to watch movie or Dvd also a great ideals. Me too ....spending most my time watching movie or series drama if im free or climbing mountain or jungle tracking close to the natural to feel relax and peace of mind.

I hope you....little ray of hope and happiness continue to spread your sunshine seeds into this forum. Wishing your waves will be over over very soon and you can continue your next tapering without too much trouble.

Love and sending my big big hugs for you.❤️🤗😘

 

 

Hi Miracle, 

 

Thanks for popping by. Yes, isn’t being in nature the best thing ever. I wish I had a beach near by. Well today as you know has had lots of waves but I’ve managed to distract myself. I’ve just been watching some YouTube videos right now that didn’t need much brain power. I’m sorry you’re still in a wave too. We need to get those surfboards out!😃

 

Yes, Im listening to my body and definitely wont taper until I stabilise again. One day at a time does it. Our emotions are weird in withdrawals. I’m extremely positive by nature but then the next moment I’m really annoyed at things. Those nasty neuro emotions.

 

I wish your waves come to an end soon too.

 

Sending hugs back to you🤗💚

[Carmie]

Okay, these money making pharmaceutical companies certainly have a lot to answer for. I just read a pamphlet that Astra Zeneca wrote about this dreaded drug I’m on, Seroquel, and they said if you come off it go slow. They said make sure you do it over a one to two week period!! 

 

One or two weeks??? Boy, all I can say is they really are idiots. I don’t feel any anger as it doesn’t serve a purpose but how stupid and how ignorant are these companies that wreck people’s lives. I’ve made peace with the fact I can’t change the past but can only move forwards but it just is incredible that these companies aren’t seen as total criminals.

 

Okay, I’ve had my rant. Time for Netflix. 

 

Hang in there everyone💚💚💚

 

[manymoretodays]

Hi Carmie,

Yes.  Idiots!!!!  What are you watching?

I did go to the beach of sorts.......I know you will be happy to hear that.  And I did see you got down or up the coast yourself.  Super.

Love, peace, healing, and growth,

mmt

[direstraits]

11 hours ago, Carmie said:

how stupid and how ignorant are these companies that wreck people’s lives. I’ve made peace with the fact I can’t change the past but can only move forwards but it just is incredible that these companies aren’t seen as total criminals.

AMEN😢

[Carmie]

13 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

Hi Carmie,

Yes.  Idiots!!!!  What are you watching?

I did go to the beach of sorts.......I know you will be happy to hear that.  And I did see you got down or up the coast yourself.  Super.

Love, peace, healing, and growth,

mmt

 

Hi Manymoretodays, 

 

Glad you got to go to the beach. Yay!! I love the beach. I was extremely anhedonic last time I was there but I went anyway. The anhedonia has lifted a bit. I wish there was a beach around the corner here. I did go out for a little walk today. Had to do some grocery shopping too. 

 

I watch all all sorts of things on Netflix, I liked the Mr Bean Movie. I’m watching Brooklyn Nine Nine at the moment. It’s so funny. On DVD I’ve been watching All The Rivers Run, it’s an old Australian movie, I’ve read the book. I’m waiting for the next season of Lost In Space to come out. I also love Star Trek. My tastes are so varied. 

 

Wishing you love, peace, healing and growth as well💚

 

 

10 hours ago, direstraits said:

AMEN😢

 

Hi direstraits, 

 

Yep, so true. I hope you’re doing okay today.

 

I’ve had a few more windows today. Yay! Just distracting myself again today though as I hardly have any concentration.

 

Take care💚

[Carmie]

More windows today, though I’m pretty braindead, struggling to think. 

 

Caught up with friends this morning n had a lovely time chatting to different ones. It was a wonderful morning. Haven’t socialised much this week at all so it made me very happy. My friends really want to know how I’m doing which is so kind of them. I tell them but then I change the subject as I don’t want to focus too much on withdrawals.

 

One friend was going through some sadness today so when she asked how I was I said I’m struggling but left it at that. I don’t feel the need to go into all the details of what I’m going through all the time. This particular dear friend is from Poland and married an Australian n now lives here. She just went to visit her parents in Poland and was so upset today as she misses them already. 

 

Anyway, I can’t think much so I might do some knitting n finish watching my DVD.

 

Hang in there everyone💚💚💚

[Miracle123]

23 minutes ago, Carmie said:

More windows today, though I’m pretty braindead, struggling to think. 

So good and happy to hear that Carmie....Hope this windows can last for long. Hugs❤️🤗

[Carmie]

Okay I just have to say if you’re not noise sensitive put on those headphones once in a while n crank up the music n zone out. It’s not a good idea to use headphones a lot as it can cause tinnitus n hearing problems but I tell you what, it’s an amazing distraction sometimes.

 

 Run from Snow Patrol is amazing loud. Looooove it!!

 

Okay back to listening to Run again 🎧🎤🎼💚💚

 

3 hours ago, Miracle123 said:

So good and happy to hear that Carmie....Hope this windows can last for long. Hugs❤️🤗

 

Thanks Miracle, 

 

The windows certainly help you to see that we will heal one day.

 

Sending hugs back to you 🤗

[Carmie]

P.s. If you’re cranking up the headphones check out Josh Groban’s song River. He has suffered depression n this is a powerful song😍😍

[Carmie]

P.s.s. (Okay I know there’s no such thing😁) Still on the topic of music. If you’re not noise sensitive I really have to say music is amazing to help through withdrawals. I’m listening to Imagine Dragons now. One of my favourite bands ever. I’ve seen them in concert. Absolutely amazing!!! I’ve seen most of my favourite bands in concert. Twenty One Pilots were amazing too, I went with two teenagers though I’m in my fifties. Now, Celine Dion, well that was something else, she is so hilarious too. 

 

Pleeeease continue to enjoy music if you’re a music freak like me. It really is an amazing distraction when going through withdrawals. I’ve already got three concerts booked in the future. The first concert is this December which is John Farnham and some eighties singers. “You’re the voice, try and understand it.” Such an amazing voice! 

 

Phil Collins will be a highlight next year at Suncorp Stadium which is a footy field. The only other band I’ve seen there was Coldplay. Now that was an amazing night. I found when going through waves that knowing I have anpmazing concerts to gave me something positive to focus on. 

 

Crank up that music people💚💚💚

 

[Carmie]

P.s.s.s.(Okay, again I know there’s no such thing, post script post script post script post script😂. I’ve got the giggles tonight, crazy girl that I am)  It’s been great having lots of windows today n I’m really enjoying listening to music tonight so I just had to share. I loooove the song Thunder by Imagine Dragons n was just listening to it. But their best song EVER is Radioactive. In concert, I tell you what, it is AMAZING!!!! The instrumentals are just incredible!!! 

 

Pleeeeeeeease, I have to say this again, if you love music as much as I do continue to listen to it during waves. It’s an amazing distraction.

 

This journey is the most horrific thing we will go through in our lives. Please find things to help distract yourselves. Music is one of those things for me. 

 

Its nearly beddy byes. Goodnight Zzzzzz💚

 

 

[bhasski]

4 hours ago, Carmie said:

P.s.s.s.(Okay, again I know there’s no such thing, post script post script post script post script😂. I’ve got the giggles tonight, crazy girl that I am)  It’s been great having lots of windows today n I’m really enjoying listening to music tonight so I just had to share. I loooove the song Thunder by Imagine Dragons n was just listening to it. But their best song EVER is Radioactive. In concert, I tell you what, it is AMAZING!!!! The instrumentals are just incredible!!! 

 

Pleeeeeeeease, I have to say this again, if you love music as much as I do continue to listen to it during waves. It’s an amazing distraction.

 

This journey is the most horrific thing we will go through in our lives. Please find things to help distract yourselves. Music is one of those things for me. 

 

Its nearly beddy byes. Goodnight Zzzzzz💚

 

 

 

Its so nice to hear you having good windows and that too music is a good distraction.

 

I too was a music lover but my brain is still too damaged to register any now.  Idk where my part of it is gone which I cultured for 23 years.  

 

One positive is that music is not that irritating as it was in initial 2 years of wdl. 

 

Irony - same thing turned soothing to irritating.

[Carmie]

5 hours ago, bhasski said:

 

Its so nice to hear you having good windows and that too music is a good distraction.

 

I too was a music lover but my brain is still too damaged to register any now.  Idk where my part of it is gone which I cultured for 23 years.  

 

One positive is that music is not that irritating as it was in initial 2 years of wdl. 

 

Irony - same thing turned soothing to irritating.

 

Hi Bhasski, 

 

Thanks for dropping by. I’m sorry you’re noise sensitive and can’t enjoy music. A lot of people get noise sensitivity during withdrawals. It’s good to hear though that music isn’t quite as irritating as it was the first couple of years for you. One of these days you will be able to crank it up again n then there will be no stopping you!

 

Take care💚

 

 

[Bee5]

Hi Carmie,

 

I am just checking in to see how you are doing? Have you come closer to baseline with your quetiapine formulation change?

 

Hugs,

Bee

[quetiapineAddict]

On 10/21/2018 at 7:29 PM, bhasski said:

 

Its so nice to hear you having good windows and that too music is a good distraction.

 

I too was a music lover but my brain is still too damaged to register any now.  Idk where my part of it is gone which I cultured for 23 years.  

 

One positive is that music is not that irritating as it was in initial 2 years of wdl. 

 

Irony - same thing turned soothing to irritating.

i also get irritated by music every song that i happen to hear for example in the supermarket gets stuck in my head

[Carmie]

23 hours ago, Bee5 said:

Hi Carmie,

 

I am just checking in to see how you are doing? Have you come closer to baseline with your quetiapine formulation change?

 

Hugs,

Bee

 

Hi Bee, 

 

No, Im not at baseline yet. Hope you’re doing ok💚

 

20 hours ago, quetiapineAddict said:

i also get irritated by music every song that i happen to hear for example in the supermarket gets stuck in my head

 

Hi Quetiapine Addict, 

 

Im sorry you and Blasski get irritated by music. I’m fortunate I don’t. Been cranking it up this afternoon. I don’t play it every day though. One of these days you will both be able to play music again. 

 

Take care💚

[DMV64]

Hi Carmie.

How are you doing today? Thought I would just pop in and say hi.

I am ok. Lots of movement in the windows and waves department.

-D

[Carmie]

8 hours ago, DMV64 said:

Hi Carmie.

How are you doing today? Thought I would just pop in and say hi.

I am ok. Lots of movement in the windows and waves department.

-D

 

Hi DMV, 

 

Thanks for dropping by. I’ve still been getting lots of waves. On top of it, I think last night I accidentally doubled up on a dose again. I take it between 8.30 and 9pm n my brain was soooo bad yesterday that when I took it at 9pm all of a sudden I thought have I already taken it at 8.30? Not long after I got tingling all over my body. I hardly slept last night. I think I may have taken it twice as I got real bad chemical anxiety all night and was really shaky n tingly. 

 

Brain fog has been so severe, I keep losing things n I keep forgetting what I wanted to do a second after I thought about it. I walk into a room n I already forget what I wanted there. From now on I’m going to get a Monday to Sunday pill box n put my meds in there. 

 

Im not going to panic, one can’t change what’s happened. Silly me! Anyway onwards n upwards. I’ll just keep using my distractions to keep going. I always eventually stabilise. I was looking at some of the records I’ve taken in the past, I haven’t kept them too far back but I noticed that a lot of the time when withdrawals hit really hard it took about three months or more to stabilise. That is when I tapered too soon n didn’t hold long enough. I always eventually stabilised though. 

 

Okay, now to think of my distractions for today, Im going to do some knitting, watch DVDs n Netflix, finish a diamond painting n maybe write some more cards to friends. I’ve been writing cards yesterday. I put yellow balloons with smiley faces in them n wish my friends a happy day. I’m a big balloon fan.😀🎈Im going to journal too. Been doing that daily. 

 

Im so glad to hear you’re doing okay💚

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Carmie]

Hi @brassmonkey

 

You mentioned cross tapering the old n the new compounded capsules. How does one do that? I won’t be doing that for months as yet but was just curious. I open up a new 7.5mg capsule every day at the moment n mix it with water n drink it. Haven’t been able to taper it as yet though.

 

Would I take the new batch on certain days n the old batch on other days? Or would that cause problems? I know I may not even have a problem changing to the new batch to begin with. 

 

Just wanted to know your thoughts. 

 

Thanks a lot💚

 

[Gridley]

The usual method for cross-tapering is this:

 

3/4 dose of the old compound, 1/4 dose of the new compound for 3 days

1/2 dose old, 1/2 dose new for 3 days

1/4 dose old, 3/4 dose new for 3 days

Only new compound thereafter

[Carmie]

3 hours ago, Gridley said:

The usual method for cross-tapering is this:

 

3/4 dose of the old compound, 1/4 dose of the new compound for 3 days

1/2 dose old, 1/2 dose new for 3 days

1/4 dose old, 3/4 dose new for 3 days

Only new compound thereafter

 

Hi Gridley, 

 

Thanks for that information. I’ve actually read that somewhere before but don’t know how to get my head around doing the math to figure it out. At the moment I’m using a 7.5mg compounded capsule in 20ml of water every day. I don’t use a scale. I have always used 20ml of water tapering down my 25mg tablet. 

 

I dont know how to do the cross tapering. Maybe put 3 capsules of the old formula n one capsule of the new formula into water to make the 3/4 to 1/4 ratio n keep it in the fridge n use it for three days. Then put 2 capsules of each in water n store it again n use it for three days. Then one capsule old and three new doing that for three days again. That’s how I would get the ratio I guess?

 

I don’t have a clue as to how much water I would have to add to that. I’m guessing I would just quadruple the water to 80ml n then I would just take out of that on a daily basis what I would normally take out, whether it would be a whole 20ml which would be 7.5mg or a little less, depending on whether I’ve managed to taper by then. 

 

Is this correct?

 

Thanks Gridley and Brassmonkey💚

[Rabe]

WOW....you are good Carmie Einstein!!! Thinking about you!!💜

[DMV64]

3 hours ago, Carmie said:

Brain fog has been so severe, I keep losing things n I keep forgetting what I wanted to do a second after I thought about it.

OMG! this is ME! HA! Gotta laugh or I will just cry.

I think its great you looked over your notes. I am bad at that. Unorganized really. I write in one book. Then some in another. Or I forget to take the notes. Sigh.

I feel like I can't really see the patterns that well. But I do know it takes me also like 3 months to stablize, maybe more.

I made a list of my distractions so I would not forget them. Seriously,