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6 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

 

At least you know you have the number correct.  Put your lab coat on.  Time for some pill crushing ... this looks a bit like a mortar and pestle 🤣     🍗   🥥     and so does this:   💣    and the rest of the equipment:     💊     ⚗️      🧤       👓       👩🏻‍🔬    

 

That’s absolutely hilarious ChessieCat, 

 

Yes, I’m going to crush my tablet in a coconut shell with a chicken drumstick🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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neroli

Hello Carmie

 

Thank you for popping on to my thread to say hello.

 

I've been working from home today and have had quite a lot of anxiety to deal with - there's a memo I need to write which takes a lot of thought about factors that influence decisions to be made and the structure of the memo is important so that all factors are included in a clear and concise way.  So, I've been finding it hard to sit at the computer.  However, I did make a promise to myself that I didn't need to get it to final draft today and if I just got down the main points I would be ok with that.  I also made a promise that I would stop and do a short meditation every so often to calm me down and have a break.  My neck and shoulders get so tight when I'm working at home like this.

 

Anyway, I've got to a point where I think I've broken the back of it and am going to switch the laptop off in a minute.  Then get on with some colouring or knitting.

 

I hope your cross-over goes well.

 

Great that you had such fun at the aqua park.  Marvellous that you can keep these moments alive in your memory if a wave hits.  You are truly a dab hand at keeping these experiences alive in your mind as a resource when the going gets more tough.

 

Much love

 

Neroli 💜

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Rabe

Yes, good luck with the cross taper.  I would really like to take a .5mg CLonazepam tablet and then just 4 of the capsules a day instead of 9...at least a good part of the dose would be stable - er.  And I continue to practice with the scale but find it changes so much...I have watched videos and read about it.  Wondering if I got a defective scale. 😳

Not sure I would want to rely on it...Im going to read some more on it.

How did you get your numbers and all? BM?  

Will be thinking about you Carmie!!💜

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Carmie
28 minutes ago, Rabe said:

Yes, good luck with the cross taper.  I would really like to take a .5mg CLonazepam tablet and then just 4 of the capsules a day instead of 9...at least a good part of the dose would be stable - er.  And I continue to practice with the scale but find it changes so much...I have watched videos and read about it.  Wondering if I got a defective scale. 😳

Not sure I would want to rely on it...Im going to read some more on it.

How did you get your numbers and all? BM?  

Will be thinking about you Carmie!!💜

 

Hi Rabe, 

 

No, I figured out the calculations myself. It took some time though, and a calculator. Brassmonkey was kind enough to double check them and he said the calculations were right. I’m not the go to person for calculations, but amazingly I got them right. Yay! Who would have thought. It takes me such a long time. 

 

I don’t really know much about scales. I started off just cutting my tablets and then I water titrated. I think Gridley is good with the scales. Brassmonkey is a whiz at math. Are you using the Gemini 20? That seems to be the one people are using around here. 

 

Yes, it’s time to start to crosstaper tonight. I’m not worried if I end up going through waves because I’ll finally be going in the right direction. I went backwards going on the compounded capsules. I’ll be happy once I stabilise again on my original tablet, as I’ll finally be going in the right direction. More than three months of withdrawals going in the wrong direction, but one can’t cry over spilt milk, one can only go forward. 

 

I see you’re in good hands on your thread. This site is amazing. 

 

Sending hugs🤗

 

Hi @neroli

 

Thanks so much for dropping by. You sound like you’ve had to use a lot of brain power with your work at home today. I’m glad you’ve been able to work it out somewhat. Enjoy your knitting and colouring in. It’s so special when you get presents from friends, you and I seem to keep getting colouring in books😃. A friend of mine brought me one from overseas once n I think I coloured in the majority of the pages as withdrawals were so bad. Good distraction. 👍 I’ve still got the two colouring in books to go that a friend gave me recently .

 

Take care💚

 

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Rabe

Hi Carmie...yes, Im using the Gemini...it is just kind of all over...but at least if it is up or down one time it weighs everything up or down.  Thing is the weights are just not consistent with one capsule I keep out to weigh.  It is always a different weight. Crazy.  

Yes...going to the tablets is definitely the right direction.  The tablets of Viibryd I weighed were all nearly the same!  Was incredible to see after weighing the capsules!!

I'll figure it out somehow with the doctor I guess....he is kind...just has some days when he must be overwhelmed and then is not so kind.  But I get it...

I dont want to take these capsules anymore....but I will...for the first drop.  Then I would like to try to figure out something else.  He has talked about dissolving in water since I took the info rom here in about that....I know you did that for quite some time and it worked out well for you.  

Take care Carmie!  Love and hugs back at you!!💜

 

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Rabe

How did you cut your tablets???  I just read that...

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Carmie

Hi @Rabe

 

I don’t remember how I cut the tablets. I didn’t keep the records. I didn’t know anything about withdrawals then. I just kept cutting them to the next smallest dose, in quarters I guess. 

 

I agree, going back to the original tablets is the best thing to do. They are so much more accurate, I’m glad brassmonkey brought that to my attention. I was water titrating the original tablet for a long time and I’m going back to that. Eventually when the doses get smaller I’ll have to add more water. 

 

Tonight I have to water titrate two different formulas as I’m doing the crosstaper. I’ll have to crush the tablet as I’ve been doing for years and I’ll have to also water titrate the compounded capsule. I will get there!😄 Can’t wait until I’m just back to water titrating the tablet. Once I stabilise on that it’s onwards n upwards. 

 

Sending sunshine your way☀️☀️☀️☀️

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Bee5
On 12/28/2018 at 1:20 AM, Carmie said:

I have stabilised on the compounded capsules, but I’m going to go back to the original tablets in January some time. I decided to go back to the tablets as Brassmonkey said that it’s better to use the original tablets, if one is able, as they are more accurate.

 

What is the difference between the original tablets and the compounded capsules?

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Carmie

Just documenting. It’s the first night of the crosstaper. I just took my meds. Crushed my 25mg tablet in 20ml of water and took 1.5ml (5.6mg). Then put my 7.5mg compounded capsules in 20ml of water also and took 15ml ( 5.6mg). 

 

Can’t wait until I’m just back to water titrating the tablet. I have the calculations down pat for the crosstaper, but it takes brain power to make sure you do it correctly when you have to do two seperate water titrations happening at the same time. 

 

From tomorrow on I think I’ll get a piece of paper and write down what I’ve done after each step, that way there are no mistakes. Brain fog really can be something else. 

 

1 hour ago, Bee5 said:

 

What is the difference between the original tablets and the compounded capsules?

Hi Bee, 

 

Brassmonkey said the consistency of the original tablets are more accurate, that’s why I’m going back to them. I’ve also been reading it elsewhere.

 

Even though my doctor knows nothing about withdrawals or tapering he was always happy to give me whatever scripts I wanted. It’s a shame he didn’t tell me about the inconsistencies in compounded formulas when he gave me the script though.

 

When I saw him last time though and told him I’m using the compounding script he gave me he said that compounding formulas aren’t always that accurate. He said the compounding chemists should know what they’re doing but there are no guarantees. A bit late! He should have told me before he gave me the script.😕

 

Others on this site have said that their compounding pharmacists have told them that they can be off by at least 3%. 

 

Hope you’re doing okay. My legs are all tingling at the moment after taking the meds. They were tingling last night too after I took them. It’s not the withdrawals, it’s the actual medication as it happens after I take it. 

 

I remember when I was on high doses ( I was originally on 300mg ) I would be woken up every morning by intense inner shaking. It was really scary. I never wanted to go to sleep, I had a fear of sleeping as the morning were so horrific. That slowly subsided as the dosages got lower. 

 

Take care Bee, Sending hugs🤗

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Miracle123

Hi Carmie,

Hope everything doing well in your cross taper. This remember me, im doing water titration too in my tapering.

Eat healthly, stay relax and take good care. Always keep distraction, dont over do it and rest more. Sending my sunshine to you. Love and hugs🤗

 

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RusTW

Hi Carmie I'm wishing you luck on your cross taper. Seroquel is a real nasty one to taper off of. It takes a while after the taper also to stabilize something I noticed.

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Carmie

Good morning @Miracle123 @RusTW

 

Thanks for your kind words. Crosstaper last night went okay, no additional symptoms. Let’s see how it goes for the rest of the week. I’m going to do the first stage of the crosstaper for seven days. One never knows how we’ll be from one day to the next though, I’ll document here how the rest of my crosstaper goes. 

 

When I changed from the tablet to the compounding capsules last year I didn’t crosstaper as I knew nothing about it at the time, and that first night I got bad akathisia. This time no extra symptoms.

 

Yay for crosstapering!

 

Yes Rus, Seroquel is a nasty drug. I saw Alto wrote on someone’s thread that Seroquel is much worse for you than benzodiazepines.

 

Take care, and thanks again for popping by💚

 

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eymen23

Glad to hear it’s going well so far Carmie! Wow, I didn’t realise a change in formula could cause symptoms so quickly re the akasthesia you got before! 

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Carmie
43 minutes ago, eymen23 said:

Glad to hear it’s going well so far Carmie! Wow, I didn’t realise a change in formula could cause symptoms so quickly re the akasthesia you got before! 

 

Hi eymen, 

 

Thank you. I’m glad it went well last night too. 

 

Yes, formulation changes can certainly put one in waves. The akathisia was bad that first night when I didn’t crosstaper. I didn’t know anything about cross tapering. It’s not just the different formula though, the amount of mgs I was taking to the amount of mgs in the compounded formula would have been different too.

 

I noticed once that syringes aren’t all the same. The measurement from one syringe to another can be quite different. So measuring equipment isn’t all the same, which means my 7.5mg probably wasn’t the same as the compounding pharmacists 7.5mg. I don’t know if I went up or down in mgs. 

 

Also compounding isn’t all that consistent, that’s why I’m crosstapering back to the original tablet. Some people on here have said that the compounding pharmacists said that there can be at least a 3% discrepancy in formulation. 

 

As regards inaccurate measuring equipment, if what people are using at home isn’t accurate it doesn’t matter, as long as they keep using the same equipment and don’t change it. That way you keep getting the same consistency.

 

I hope you have a better day today eymen. I’m sorry you’ve been having such a rough time. 

 

Sending hugs🤗

 

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Rabe

Hi Carmie...just thinking about you.

For me, when I take a liquid or a dissolving tablet it gets in my system faster and I feel it faster...wondering if that is what is happening to you?  Do you eat before 

taking the meds?  Just a thought.  Take care Carmie!!  

I sure would like to be taking tablets!!  Darn companies should be mandated to make them!! 😡 The compounding is definitely not accurate like the tablets though they say tablets can be off by 10%...I think to make the fact that why may be off by 3% to 10% am ok thing. 🙄 Hope things continue to go ok.  

I will be dropping soon here as well....not looking forward to doing that with the compounded capsules but see how goes.  Then talk to the doctor about dissolving and see what his thought are on that.  Love and hugs Carmie.  💜

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Carmie

Hi @Rabe

 

I’ve been water titrating for years, so there was no change over in that regard. Hope all goes well with your continued tapering 💚

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Bee5

Thanks for explaining the difference between the capsules and tablets, and the compounding accuracy. This sounds like so much hard work, the simultaneous titrations. Thinking of you.

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Carmie
24 minutes ago, Bee5 said:

Thanks for explaining the difference between the capsules and tablets, and the compounding accuracy. This sounds like so much hard work, the simultaneous titrations. Thinking of you.

 

Thanks so much Bee, 

 

I can do this.The calculations are correct. I just need the brain power to not make mistakes every night because I have to make up two different formulas.

 

I can do this! Can’t wait until I’m just water titrating the original tablets. Sending hugs🤗

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Carmie

Okay, am I allowed a rant? 

 

I’m so ill with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and now for at least three weeks I have to cross taper. I have to make two different water titrations every night and make sure I don’t mess them up. The calculations are correct, I just have to make sure I don’t mix them up. My brain fog gets so severe I don’t know what is up and what is down. 

 

Can’t wait until I’m only having to do one formula. 

 

I’m extremely positive by nature, but tonight I feel like crying. It’s not just the withdrawals, I have lots of other things happening in my life which I won’t discuss here. I love encouraging others, but sometimes I’m just hanging on myself by the end of a string. 

 

Wishing everyone the best with their tapering. I’m so very sorry you are all going through this💚💚💚💚

 

 

 

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Carmie

P.s.Okay, now I’ve got tears streaming down my face. Bye for now, have to get off my iPad. 

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Carmie

P.s.s. 

 

Okay got through night two of crosstapering. I wrote down each step as I did it so I didn’t get confused. I struggle with my brain. 

 

Add 20ml of water to the 7.5mg compounded capsule and take 15ml.

 

Crush the 25mg tablet and add 20ml of water, and take 1.5ml. 

 

Phew! Another night done. Not long after I take my meds I always get tingling in my body. It’s not just the withdrawals that cause symptoms. The meds themselves cause symptoms.

 

Good night everyone 😴😴😴💚

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Miracle123
2 hours ago, Carmie said:

Phew! Another night done. Not long after I take my meds I always get tingling in my body. It’s not just the withdrawals that cause symptoms. The meds themselves cause symptoms.

Hi Carmie, 

Medicine will caused symptoms, each drop will made our body got bad reaction or discomfort. Keep it up, my dear....im believe you can hold until your body stabilise with this cross taper. Believe yourself and listening to your body. Take good care and a lots love from me❤️🤗Goodnite .......

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direstraits

Hi @Carmie

I'm so sorry you have to deal with all this...it's so unfair.you're such a kind soul.

think about the great time you had at the water park...it will get better again,hang in there.

thanks for all your kind words on my thread...I really appreciate it.😊

 

big hugs and healing,ds

🤗🤗🤗

 

ps if anyone deserves a rant it's you! ❤️

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Rabe

Oh Carmie....I don't know how you deal with it all...you are so incredibly amazing!!!  Your tears have brought on mine I feel for you so!!!!  😢 But I also know you will get through this...when I think of all you haev done and all you do I know you will.  Im surprised you don't have a few more tears than this now and then!!  Just holding you in my thoughts and heart Carmie and sending lots of love and lots of hugs your way!!!  💜

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eymen23

Carmie!

 

I’m so sorry to see you’ve been struggling. You are an incredibly positive person, and I’m sure that’s picked up by everybody on here (it certainly registers with me).

 

I can imagine the double mixture is frustrating. A couple of days ago I had rotten luck shaving down my pills and kept shaving too much off. I nearly pummelled my scales and threw the antidepressants in the bin. It won’t be long until you’re on the other side of this cross taper, and one day you’ll be free of this process entirely.

 

Stay strong!  

 

💖

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Cheers for smooth Night Two. - C 😎

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Carmie

Hi @Miracle123 @direstraits  @Rabe @eymen23 @Out2C8383

 

Thanks for all your lovely messages, much appreciated. Yes, I’ll certainly be glad once this crosstaper is over. Party time!🎉🎉🎉😆 Well, tonight will be night three of the 3/4 old formula and the 1/4 new formula. I’m going to do this for at least a week as I still have plenty of capsules. I’m doing it really slowly. Then after a week it’s half of the old and half of the new formula for a week. 

 

So far withdrawals haven’t been too bad. We will see what each day brings as there’s nothing linear about this journey WHATSOEVER!! I can’t describe how I’m feeling today, I’m kind of anhedonic, but at the same time I’m feeling emotionally fragile. Boy, all these weird chemically induced things happening. We won’t know ourselves when we start feeling just regular emotions.

 

I spent most of the day in bed, but then mid afternoon I hopped on a bus and went to the shops. I had to run a few errands. It was nice to get out and about, but my head was in lala land. Cognition is bad today. Where am I? Who am I? What am I doing?🤣

 

It was so funny, in one of the shops they were playing American Pie, but instead of singing along to the original song I was singing the Weird Al Yankovich Star Wars parody The Saga Begins because I’ve played it so much: 

 

“My, my, this here Anakin guy, may be Vader someday later, now he’s just a small fry. He left his home n kissed his mummy good bye, saying soon I’m gonna be a Jedi.”😁 I’ve listened to that a million times. Must be time to do a Star Wars marathon some time in the future. 

 

 

Take care everyone, sending lots of hugs🤗🤗🤗🤗

 

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Hello Carmie

 

Glad to hear that cross-tapering is going ok so far.  Won't it be lovely when you've done the cross and you have only one titration to handle?

 

Thank you for your kind message on my thread yesterday.  Lovely to get that.

 

love and best wishes

 

Neroli 💜

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Carmie
2 hours ago, neroli said:

Hello Carmie

 

Glad to hear that cross-tapering is going ok so far.  Won't it be lovely when you've done the cross and you have only one titration to handle?

 

Thank you for your kind message on my thread yesterday.  Lovely to get that.

 

love and best wishes

 

Neroli 💜

 

Hi Neroli, 

 

Thanks for dropping by, much appreciated. Yes, withdrawals haven’t been too bad so far from crosstapering. Let’s see what the next three weeks of cross tapering bring. Yes, I’ll be so glad once I just have to water titrate one formula. Definitely party time! Yay!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉

 

I was so overwhelmed last night as I have to do two different water titration formulas when I’m already struggling to even think straight because of my illness. Well, night three tonight. Another four and then it’s half/half formula for a week. I will get there. 

 

I’m going to be extremely happy when I finally start moving forward once I’ve stabilised from this crosstaper, and only one formulation to make up. Yay!!

 

Hope you’re hanging in there too Neroli💚

 

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Carmie

Just documenting: 

 

Yay! Managed to correctly water titrate two different water titrations again tonight for my crosstaper. Day three. Was bawling my eyes out last night as I was really struggling to think. Okay, three nights down, four to go, and then it’s onto the half and half formula for a week next. The days do go by. I really can’t wait until I’m only having to water titrate one formula. 

 

People not going through withdrawals will probably think what on earth is the big deal, but when my brain isn’t working due to severe cognitive disfunction because of my illness, plus neuro emotions from withdrawals trying to get things right isn’t all that easy. 

 

Good night from Aussie Land everyone 😴😴😴😴😴💚

 

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neroli
7 hours ago, Carmie said:

People not going through withdrawals will probably think what on earth is the big deal, but when my brain isn’t working due to severe cognitive disfunction because of my illness, plus neuro emotions from withdrawals trying to get things right isn’t all that easy. 

oh, I understand completely, Carmie.  Even without CFS it takes me a lot of brain power to work out changes and keep making up doses.

 

Great that you are feeling no ill effects.

 

Neroli 💜

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RusTW

Sorry you were sad last night Carmie.hope your felling better.

Russ

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Gracee

Hello Carmie, I just found your thread.   You have been so kind and caring in welcoming me over the past few days, I wanted to learn a little about you.   Here you are suffering right along with the rest of us, sharing similar experiences.  I am realizing none of us is really unique in this journey to find relief from AD dependence.  We all feel pain, sadness, really horrible days and occasional good days.   Thank you for being here and for being so welcoming, caring and helpful to newbies like me, all the while dealing with your own struggles.

Huggs,

Gracee

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Rosetta

Thanks for stopping by my thread.  I hope the crossover goes well.  Take care, R

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Carmie

Hi @neroli @RusTW @Gracee @Rosetta

 

Thanks so much for dropping by, and for your lovely messages of encouragement. Well, I’m still doing okay withdrawal wise since night three last night of the crosstaper. Just taking a day at a time. Let’s see what the rest of the crossover goes like. You can say nothing with certainty in this journey, so all we can do is take each hour as it comes.

 

I really have to say though, do not make changes to different formulas without doing a crossover. When I originally went to the compounding formula from the tablet it was horrific. That first night the akathisia was so bad I was crawling out of my skin. This time, though, going back to the tablet whilst doing the crossover nothing too bad has happened so far, and certainly no extra withdrawal symptoms on the first night of the crossover.

 

It took me over three months to stabilise when I changed formula withoout crossing over. Shame I didn’t know about that back then. I did accidentally double dose one night though, so that wouldn’t have helped either. 

 

Let’s see how the rest of the crossover goes. If I do end up in waves I’m sure it won’t take over three months to stabilise this time. If I come out of these three weeks of crossing over without going through severe waves I will still hold for a while when I come through the other end, just in case. Changes we make can catch up with us later on. Better safe than sorry. 

 

Take care everyone💚

 

 

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Rabe

Well YAY!!!!  SO happy to hear things continue to go well, Carmie!!  And its amazing you are Einstein with these numbers even with you rWD and CFS!!  You are so amazing!!  Hope things continue to go well, Carmie...I think they will!💜

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