Moderator brassmonkey Posted August 8, 2018 Moderator Share Posted August 8, 2018 Hi Bluepm-- I'll answer here, because via PM is not a good way to get tapering advise. Here we have all your information in one place and can keep an accurate eye on what is going on. You are experiencing a good case of withdrawal syndrome from making too large a cut 8 weeks ago. The symptoms you describe are pretty normal for someone who has gone too fast. Do not go back up to 7.5mg, after eight weeks that would be much too large an increase and will probably trip off even worse symptoms. A small updose to say, 4mg possibly will help ease your symptoms. There may be some overnight relief but it could take several days to kick in. The big thing is to not panic and roll with it as best as you can, things will eventually settle and you'll start to feel better. For right now don't make any rash decisions. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
bluepm Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 21 hours ago, brassmonkey said: Hi Bluepm-- I'll answer here, because via PM is not a good way to get tapering advise. Here we have all your information in one place and can keep an accurate eye on what is going on. You are experiencing a good case of withdrawal syndrome from making too large a cut 8 weeks ago. The symptoms you describe are pretty normal for someone who has gone too fast. Do not go back up to 7.5mg, after eight weeks that would be much too large an increase and will probably trip off even worse symptoms. A small updose to say, 4mg possibly will help ease your symptoms. There may be some overnight relief but it could take several days to kick in. The big thing is to not panic and roll with it as best as you can, things will eventually settle and you'll start to feel better. For right now don't make any rash decisions. I am having another though day I up dosed 4 mg last via liquid I took 15 mg pill let it de-solve in water pulled out 4 ml's. buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 9, 2018 Administrator Share Posted August 9, 2018 Hi, bluepm. How much water did you use to dissolve the 15mg tablet? It can take 4 days or more for a dosage change to reach full effect. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
bluepm Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 15 ml of water buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 9, 2018 Administrator Share Posted August 9, 2018 Did the 4mg have any effect? What time did you take it? Please let us know how you're doing. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
bluepm Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 last night i was fine no anxious walked the dogs 2 miles 45 mins and eat a lot. i am anxious this morning but not as bad not eating i take mert. at 10 pm ever night i have advised my DR what i am doing all he said take it slow and i am going see him on 21 st. one thing he has said to me was some people do good AP and some do not. I asked for a beta blocker he prescribe 60 ml extended release propanol at first he did not recommend it after called him yesterday he proscribe it . i still think i might have residual effect from the z- drug its been 120 days off i feel a lot better being off it every day is getting better being off it So far i did not take megnsumum 250 mg can this make you anxious trying to eliminate things I am reading hope and help for your nerves by dr weeks buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
bluepm Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 i did not take any bate -blocker still sitting the bench on this one I don't if interfere with any thing. any words off experience out there ? buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
bluepm Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 I need help had pretty good weekend had a lot activities it seemed like every day got worse got on 4 mg mert. in the morning, sleep was not bad still eating very light. I took the bate -blocker 60 milligrams extended release today first one it seemed to take of the edge. i wood like to increase mert dosage back 7. 5 ml grams and hold for a while I think my i have wd from z-drug i took for few months i am 120 days off. Staying mert would be helpful for additional time for my gaba respirators to heal. any comments buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus SkyBlue Posted August 13, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 hour ago, bluepm said: I need help had pretty good weekend had a lot activities it seemed like every day got worse got on 4 mg mert. in the morning, sleep was not bad still eating very light. i wood like to increase mert dosage back 7. 5 ml grams and hold for a while I think my i have wd from z-drug i took for few months i am 120 days off. Staying mert would be helpful for additional time for my gaba respirators to heal. Hi blue, Holding is almost always a good idea. It allows the system to make needed repairs without added stress of additional tapering. In most cases, picking a dose and sticking with it is the best way to stabilize. And yes, there can definitely unfortunately be withdrawal from taking a z-drug for a few months. Glad you're reading the Claire Weeks book. She can come across as judgmental, but I think her take-home message is that rest is key, and that we all have the capacity to heal. 2020: After 18+ years (entire adult life) on Paxil, a dangerous doctor-led "taper" in 2015, and four years tapering off the last 1 mg thanks to SA and the Brassmonkey slide, I AM COMPLETELY FREE OF PAXIL! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Forever. 2021: Began conservative, proper, CNS-respecting taper of Zoloft, led by the only expert on me -- me. Making own liquid. 5-10% plus holds. 2022: Holding on Zoloft for now. Current dose 47 mg. Hanging in, hanging on. Severe protracted PAWS, windows and waves. While I may not be doing "a lot" by outside standards, things are graaaaadually getting better. Yoga (gentle to medium); walks; daily breath practice; nutrition, fruits/veg; nature; water; EastEnders (lol); practicing self-compassion, self-care; boundaries; connection; allowing feelings; t r u s t ing that I, too, will heal. (--> may need to be reminded of this.) "You are not alone, and this is not the end of your story." - Baylissa Link to comment
bluepm Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 I need some help I am still taking 3.75 mg mert. in the evening at 10 pm . i am still having anxiety in the morning and in the evenings i feel better with no anxiety or manageable . I started taking propanlol 60 mg extended release on Monday has not helped with my anxiety in the morning but has help with my sleep more restful. i don't plan taking it for ever . can anyone offer some advise here i know nobody doctor here but might have experience with propanlol . I am going to visit my DR on Tuesday he against me taking any additional poly-drugs . buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus SkyBlue Posted August 16, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 16, 2018 hi bluepm,, 6 hours ago, bluepm said: I need some help I am still taking 3.75 mg mert. in the evening at 10 pm . i am still having anxiety in the morning and in the evenings i feel better with no anxiety or manageable . I started taking propanlol 60 mg extended release on Monday has not helped with my anxiety in the morning but has help with my sleep more restful. i don't plan taking it for ever . can anyone offer some advise here i know nobody doctor here but might have experience with propanlol . I am going to visit my DR on Tuesday he against me taking any additional poly-drugs . You can search the site for information on what you're now taking. I'm not familiar with that drug. While it's certainly your decision to change or add drugs, we really are set up for helping people who are coming off their drugs. So switching drugs, adding something new, that would really need to be monitored by your doctor. What non-drug coping techniques are you developing to deal with anxiety? There are many ideas on this site. I might not be able to check back for a few days. But please answer these questions here and continue working on non-drug coping techniques (if coming off is still your goal). 2020: After 18+ years (entire adult life) on Paxil, a dangerous doctor-led "taper" in 2015, and four years tapering off the last 1 mg thanks to SA and the Brassmonkey slide, I AM COMPLETELY FREE OF PAXIL! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Forever. 2021: Began conservative, proper, CNS-respecting taper of Zoloft, led by the only expert on me -- me. Making own liquid. 5-10% plus holds. 2022: Holding on Zoloft for now. Current dose 47 mg. Hanging in, hanging on. Severe protracted PAWS, windows and waves. While I may not be doing "a lot" by outside standards, things are graaaaadually getting better. Yoga (gentle to medium); walks; daily breath practice; nutrition, fruits/veg; nature; water; EastEnders (lol); practicing self-compassion, self-care; boundaries; connection; allowing feelings; t r u s t ing that I, too, will heal. (--> may need to be reminded of this.) "You are not alone, and this is not the end of your story." - Baylissa Link to comment
bluepm Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 yes my goal is to be drug free How do we know if we have chemical anxiety vs regular anxiety ? buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
bluepm Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 off the propanlol 60 mg extended release i told DR its really not doing anything he told me to stop taking it. buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 17, 2018 Administrator Share Posted August 17, 2018 On 8/9/2018 at 2:40 PM, Altostrata said: Did the 4mg have any effect? What time did you take it? Please let us know how you're doing. How long did you take 4mg mirtazapine? What was the effect it had on you? What is your daily symptom pattern? Please keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. Use a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom, drug and dosage) on the right. Didn't you say the propanolol helped you sleep? Please read Beta Blockers: Propranolol, Metopropol, Atenolol etc This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
bluepm Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 i was 4 mg mert. for four days nothing really changed. Propanolol helped you sleep yes and no did few nights but not past few nights i think when was taking in the morning it causing more problems i think one side effect is depression. i think its better change my thinking to reduce my anxiety . please email site link for this subject on the site. as stated before i seem to better evenings not morings buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 17, 2018 Administrator Share Posted August 17, 2018 Please stop switching and changing your drugs. When you throw in drugs and drop them, it can change your symptom pattern. Some of the symptoms you attribute to one drug may be the effect of changing a different drug. It would take at least 4 days and maybe more for an increase in mirtazapine dosage to fully register in your nervous system. You quit it too early. If the propanolol helped you sleep, you might take it at night instead of in the morning. The point is to restore your sleep, isn't it? If you want help here, we need your daily drug schedule and symptom pattern: 16 minutes ago, Altostrata said: What is your daily symptom pattern? Please keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. Use a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom, drug and dosage) on the right. You may have to do this on a tablet or computer rather than a phone. What do you mean by 6 minutes ago, bluepm said: please email site link for this subject. You can change your e-mail notifications in your site Settings. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
bluepm Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 Ok you are right i made mistake taking propanolol i wanted for the anxiety did not help I did not take for sleep. i don't think it help at all i did not feel effects. I get it now stop introducing additional rx . My daily symptoms are anxiety in the morning with negative thinking eating less by the evening i fine the anxiety has subsided I have no psychical systems I take mert. at 10 pm every night. that how its been since 7/15/18 believe it or not i have few windows I got better in the may and june as soon as i stated cutting on mert. in July around 17 of july pounced anxiety came back. what do you suggest i do about taking mert. staying 3.75 mg and hold ? do you link for anxiety tips how to reduce anxiety buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 17, 2018 Administrator Share Posted August 17, 2018 What is your sleep pattern? Please keep taking 3.75mg mirtazepine at the same time each night. THIRD REQUEST: 3 hours ago, Altostrata said: What is your daily symptom pattern? Please keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. Use a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom, drug and dosage) on the right. Many people do better with fish oil and magnesium supplements, see http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/http://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/15483-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/ A lot of people find them helpful. Try a little bit of one at a time to see how it affects you. Also see Important topics about symptoms, including sleep problems This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
bluepm Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 my sleep is pretty good i go bed 10 ;pm :1030 pm and wake between 4;30, 5 am sometimes wake middle of night but go back to sleep but i was always early riser for past 31 years working . i am working on my anxiety coping skills i worried for 31 years i would lose my job still working for the same company . i was always anxious but the last 3 years i had have some trauma that caused me irrational thinking anxiety . i was just running round to a few stores and was anxious told my self you are no danger and that anxiety w/d off the drugs. it worked i can't believe this happening to me i been have sober for 33 years . but i feel confident i am going turn thing around i have no choice buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
bluepm Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 I need some help i am restless Sunday was bad Monday and Tuesday was good i took 60 ml of propanolol i was good at rest . I took the propanolol today i am still restless. any feed back from any one buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
bluepm Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 i am suffering from heavy breathing is that from w/d . buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 23, 2018 Administrator Share Posted August 23, 2018 What do you mean by heavy breathing, when does this occur, how long does it last? On 8/17/2018 at 4:29 PM, bluepm said: my sleep is pretty good i go bed 10 ;pm :1030 pm and wake between 4;30, 5 am sometimes wake middle of night but go back to sleep but i was always early riser for past 31 years working . .... When do you take your drugs? Do you have other symptoms during the day? I need to see your drug schedule and symptom pattern, all together, like a diary. There are too many people here for me to remember when they take their drugs. Use a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom, drug and dosage) on the right. On 8/17/2018 at 4:29 PM, bluepm said: i was just running round to a few stores and was anxious told my self you are no danger and that anxiety w/d off the drugs. it worked That is excellent. Keep doing that. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
bluepm Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 not the best writer all my life this past week all days eating poorly all days concentration poor all days inner restlessness some not there because of the propanlol all wake 3;30 am 4;30 bed 10 pm sleep 5 to 6 hours all days heavy breathing off and on in morning this past Saturday 8 : am barber shop had anxiety 9 ; came home anxiety gone 12 pm went maceys bought furniture for my daughter i am flat 3 pm had negative thoughts do not engage them went shopping grocery store emotional spiral window saying to myself what wast the past 1 1/2 year has been 6 pm walk dogs 3miles 9 pm watch tv relaxed 10pm take 3.75 mert gp sleep sunday woke at 3;30 am bad day one big wave heavy breathing off and on exhausting negative thoughts don't not engage them 11;30 am went zoo for a company picnic 4 pm could not drive the car back from the zoo 7 pm walk the dogs 4 miles 9 pm watch tv relaxed 10pm take 3.75 mert gp sleep Monday wake 4;30 am heavy breathing off and on 8 ;30 am take propanlol 60 mg extended release to settle thing down (dr ok with as need bases but take in morning 10;30 rest off day clam lunch time cut grass work utill 4 ;30 pm still clam do house chores walk dogs 9 pm watch tv relaxed 10pm take 3.75 mg mert go to sleep Tuesday wake 4;30 am 8 ;30 am take propanlol 60 mg extended release to settle thing down ( day clam rest off day l work util 3.00 pm still clam see PM doctor appt. wants me off the meds has not problem what I am doing as far tapering do house chores walk dogs 3 miles 9 pm watch tv relaxed 10pm take 3.75 mg mert go to sleep Wednesday woke at 3;30 am bad day period one big wave heavy breathing off and on 8 ;30 am take propanlol 60 mg extended release did settle thing down negative thoughts do not engage them 12 pm go meet my fiance consular ( do not want go but go) Call about doc about propanlol not working, he told it does not all the time go shopping for grocery walk the dogs 3 miles 9 pm watch tv relaxed 10pm take 3.75 mert gp sleep buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 23, 2018 Administrator Share Posted August 23, 2018 What do you mean by heavy breathing?? Do you feel you get enough sleep? Did you always wake in the early morning? What symptoms do you attribute to withdrawal? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
bluepm Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 This morning I woke up at 3:30 AM and laid in bed until 4:30 AM. I woke up at 3:30 AM with anxiety Cortisol rush. I slept pretty good last night to check my iPhone and I had deep sleep for about 3 hours out 6 hours I took my beta blocker this morning has not taken any effect on me as far as calming me Down yet I’m taking it to relieve my anxiety but it has not worked the last few days the doctor told me to same thing it might not work all the time. I need to stabilize somehow 3.75 I’ve been taking it for over a month now it seems I’ve I’ve gotten worse instead of better The heavy breathing is just from the anxiety trying to calm myself down thinking about what has caused the anxiety in the first place is these drugs. Right now my only concern is to stabilize and really not concerned about geting off the drugs until I Stabilize and hold for a while Yes I have been early riser on my life. They anxiety from the with drawl is a symptom as I stated before I was pretty much stabilized and a marked as a been middle of May June and early July soon as I start cutting back my anxiety came back. buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
bluepm Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 i need help again i talked over DR to reinstate to 7.5 mg mert. he said ok and said to taper as well but slowly which 1 mg a week the every other day. I had pretty rough weekend so reinstated 7.5mg mert 8/25/18 10 pm sleep was good Sunday 8/26 /18 was not a bad day at 7.5 mert. work on project and walked the dogs slept really well. Monday 8/ 27/ 18 morning anxiety started again lasted all day i am working all day walked the dogs this morning. I don't think this right time for me tapper of the mertizape due fact that i did kind haphazard taper of z-durg ( tapered best i could the drs were no help whats ever) at being of the year 5 months ago . I think the mert is helping counter act z-drug withdrawal effects lingering ? I think i need stay on mert. for awhile longer. buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
bluepm Posted August 30, 2018 Author Share Posted August 30, 2018 i need some input from someone with experience that same thing i am experiencing I reinstated 7.5 mg 8/25/18 from 3.75 @ 45 days holdng ( fast taper not 10%) 8/26/18 5 .am morning anxiety not bad 2 pm better no anxiety 5.30 pm no anxiety 8/27 /18 was bad anxity morning 3 pm anxiety subsided 8/28/18 was bad anxiety morning heavy breathing 7 pm anxiety subsided eating more 8/29/18 felt good all day like my old self again. eating more by the evening i slight headach and was tried body aching ( don't get headaches ) 8/30 /18 low anxiety felt but no as good as 8/29/18 negative thoughts eating more its wired i am have thoughts from the past about everything is this normal thing have't a thoughts in years id part w/d process ? is possible i still w/d from the z-drug its five months off and mert is masking it ? My goal is get off mert forever. buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
bluepm Posted September 2, 2018 Author Share Posted September 2, 2018 Have question back in May and June also in the afternoon while i passenger in a car i was nodding out at 1 to 2 pm i was very tried in mornings and had to drink coffee to wake up but now it whole different story coffee is exciting me why ? buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted September 2, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 2, 2018 Hi bluepm, I don’t drink coffee myself but there a thread in symptoms n self care entitled Caffeine In Coffee And Tea- Tolerance Issues. Might be worth checking out. Everyone reacts differently to things but having a lot of caffeine probably isn’t too good when going through withdrawals as it affects the nervous system. Have a happy day☀️☀️☀️ Seroquel. 2019:➡️ From 7.25mg to 5.80mg✔️ 2020➡️From 5.60 to 4.80✔️ 2021➡️From 4.60 to 4.0✔️ 2022➡️From 3.95 to 3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️ 2024➡️Jan15=3.20✔️ Feb19=3.15✔️ March26=3.10✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
bluepm Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 I' m interested to start tapering again i back up original dose 7.5 mg mert. I will use the brass monkey way at much slower pace . i am having much better days since i am back up to 7.5 mg mert. since 8 25 18 comment please buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted September 7, 2018 Moderator Share Posted September 7, 2018 Hi bluepm-- you've only been at the new dose for a few weeks, it would probably be a good idea to hold for a while longer to let everything settle out before starting to taper. You need to make sure that you're good and stable first. Brassmonkey 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
bluepm Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 thanks for a quick response buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
bluepm Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 have question whats going on i have been keeping better notes the past couple of days and even before the last two's days i had days were anxiety has desapated = anxiety in the morning = but 3 pm anxiety is down to 1 low today i did hard work treadmill 20 mins first one in long time can fish oil cause anxiety ? i have take last two days as well whats going on ? buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
bluepm Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 please answer the question can my drug be causing me anxiety ? I have keeping daily record sysptems take mert. 7.5 mg 10 ;30 pm anxiety in morning in the evening i am normal 80% of the time. the sleep is not that great meaning the mert does not knock me out i get up at 3 am almost every morning. so does this make sense to get rid of the mert. buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
bluepm Posted November 11, 2018 Author Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) @brassmonkey, @Altostrata I back i doing some what better . i tried to get back on to Prozac for two weeks did not work out to much anxiety at 5 mg and 10 mg i cut tablet apart i wanted to stabilize i have waves i think its from z drug I am off 8 months now do want to take any more period . I trying ablifiy 2 mg split does in half and fourths tried to take though out the day for the past 17 days anxiety in the morning . again some days are good and some are not i distracting as much as possible it works. still taking mert 7.5 mg. My goal is trying to stabilize for the next 6 months so i get past z-drug withdrawal ?? I keep telling my doctor i am withdrawle from z-durg of course he,s say its impossible been off to long. going to recovery international helps whole lot "move the muscles" My goal is trying to stabilize for the next 6 months so i get past z-drug withdrawal ?? is this even possible ? or just bear the pain ??? Edited November 11, 2018 by ChessieCat redcuced font buspar 7/16 to 4/17 does 45 mg, 30 mg , 15mg then 60 mg stopped did not like the side effects tapered paxil 10 mg 10 /16 11 / 16 bad reaction stopped xanax .25 mg as needed 10 /16 30 days only stopped ativan 1/17 1 mg 30 days supply tapper off the best i could 1/16/18 stopped prozac 4/16 to 1/17 20 mg start then 6 months 40 mgs then down 10/17 to 20 mgs off 2/17 bad reaction stopped klonopin .5 three daily as needed took .5 for 30 days when getting on Prozac 5/1/17 stopped then started again 1/2/18 to 4/10 stopped by tapering over 30 days down to .125 a day. though time, but better now stopped Mertizipine 11/16 to present started 15 mg at 7.5 mg 4/17 to 7/18 , 7/4/18 3.5 mg skipping does the plan was to go off it while on Prozac but it never worked back on 7.5 mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted November 12, 2018 Administrator Share Posted November 12, 2018 What symptoms do you attribute to "z-drug withdrawal"? What happened to the mirtazapine? When people try reinstatement of drugs such as Prozac, we recommend trying much lower dosages, such as 1mg, to start. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
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