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Hello all,

 

I was wondering if anyone has experienced the following symptoms concerning the eyes:

 

Sometimes, when I close my eyes, I see weird white circles spinning around and then slowly dissipating or moving out of sight. Never seen that before my wd, so I think it is related.

Another thing occurs when I move my eyes to the far left or right that something flairs up for a second. Like a flame or lightning.

 

Did anyone else notice such weird symptoms? They do not harm my eyes I hope.

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Altostrata

I believe those are relatively normal phenomena, Maybe.

 

Everybody gets the white circles (I think that's activity in the optic nerve).

 

The white flashes on the sides are signs your retina is getting older, and very common.

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Maybe

I am not getting older. Never ever! :)

 

Well, it is just weird that I observed them only after/during wd. But maybe because I much more sensitive to reactions/feelings now. Who knows.

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Punarbhava

I am not getting older. Never ever! :)

 

 

LOL! Older? I'm planning on a re-birth so aging is not an option. (LOL)

 

Well, it is just weird that I observed them only after/during wd. But maybe because I much more sensitive to reactions/feelings now. Who knows.

 

 

TBH, I haven't experienced the white circle effect, that you describe and that Alto speaks of however, I've had many other visual disturbances with eyes open, as well as closed.

 

 

What Alto shared is also true, however, like you I've never had these events prior to WD and the fact that they are lessening in intensity and frequency proves that they are WD related in my case. I did have white flashes that appeared like clusters of bright stars with tails attached (looked like shooting stars) but those occurred earlier in WD.

 

I also notice re: the eye movement to the left and right will create visual effects, not to mention, create brain sensations/disturbances. I believe this type of eye movement is stressful to the brain, hence creating these distortions/images/sensations etc.

 

Do you get the white circle events only when you are trying to drift off to sleep? I find that many "closed eye" visual effects are related to this time of day, although the left/right eye movement stuff and other stuff can occur at any time of day.

 

Many times, just before drifting off to sleep I will experience soft white light visual aura type effect. Other times I will have visions of unknown faces pop into my visual domaine (eyes closed).

 

They don't feel as if they are mental images but rather, they are real visual images despite being unable to actually see (due to my eyes being closed).

 

I also get panoramic, movie-like events visually displaying as I start to drift off to sleep. It's very strange.........like the optic nerves are actively engaged visually displaying a random scene, face or event, that the brain is independently and randomly constructing, despite closed eyelids and complete darkness.

 

It feels like a Pre-dream like state but not actually a dream since I can SEE the image rather than experience the mental image as I would in a dream state.

 

It's difficult to articulate and even more difficult when my brain won't cooperate ATM. (LOL)

 

In any event, I'm pretty certain, like all other symptoms, this will remit once you recover more fully.

 

Much More Healing to You, along with many "ageless" years. (lol)

 

 

Punar

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tramond

I Have been at the occulist a week ago because of my red, dry eyes and the creazy blurry vision I do have sometimes!!

H said I do have an eye infection and gave me antibiotic eye-drops!

Today I ghad an apointment again!

So my eyes aree still red, dry, burning and the blurry wision comes and goes!

So he made a test with my tear liquid with the result that I just do have half of the usual liquid annymore!! So my eyes are verry bad protected and I have to take drops to fill the liquid up!! He said do you have other problems with mucus membran and I remembered my diarhöe and the snotty nose witch I have nearly permanently! He sai..well it could be a hormonal problem!!

 

to the blurry unsharp vision he said, this is a neurological Problem! If it wouldbe an eyeproblem it would be constant!

 

So Wyeth/pfizer...............thank you verry mutch again!!!!

You distroy comprehensive!!!!!!

 

Greets to all

Leon

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Altostrata

traymond, do what you can to cope with this symptom. If it's withdrawal-related, it will change and get better.

 

Are you drinking enough water? It sounds like you may be dehydrated. Drink lots of water, especially in the first half of the day.

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tramond

Hoi altrostra!!

Thats a real good idea!!!

 

I do drink tooooo mutch coffe all day.........and to less water!!

 

I will try to change!!!

 

Greetings and thanks for your advice!!

 

Tramond

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Soso

I star having some strange eye movements ( specialy when my eyes are closed)after I took valuim for sleep for few days, that was three weeks ago and I still have them, I am so scared, one doctor noticed that and he he asked me about a relative of mine who has Parkinson's disease and now I am soooooo scared, please is this really a signe of parkinson or WD I am so confused.I also have some tremor and muscle twitching some times.

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Claudius

For me the eye twitching started more than one year in WD and still goes on, now more than 2 years later! It seems to be related to other neurological problems. Never had any of them before PAxil, neither during use. SO it is most certainly WD related.

After such a long time it is very difficult to maintain confidence in recovery. But I am afraid that there is no other option than giving it even more time...

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UnfoldingSky

I had some mild twitching after reacting to Celexa, and then during (c/t) withdrawal, in various parts of my body but predominantly my eyes. This was made worse by caffeine. Eventually it calmed down, but at the time I was on benzos. When I went to taper off them I had really serious twitching at night, again in different locations, including a scary few days where I had the electric shock feelings in my eye which would nearly cause my eye to close involuntarily. That did clear up, and as I got off benzos the twitching has improved. Eye twitching for me isn't noticeable to anyone but me.

 

If you only took Valium for a few days, and it just started after it I think it will clear completely. From what I understand benzos do cause these sorts of problems too, but again, a few days of benzos isn't likely to do permanent damage. I was on Valium and Ativan for several years, so mine could be long term, but then I also was given other drugs that cause these side effects too. I think benzos can give you a bit of backlash even after a couple of days on if you are already in AD withdrawal. Expect it to calm down.

 

Also, when I was in the worst of withdrawal, I spent inordinate amounts of time reading medical journals and I came across one that described some of the worst neurological issues ADs could cause, and this study said pseudo-Parkinson's (which is what it is if it is caused by a drug; it's not true Parkinson's) was the most likely of the really severe neuro symptoms to clear up.

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Altostrata

I had eye twitching in my right eye for a while, maybe 6 months. That eye also had a lot of tearing at the same time. It all cleared up.

 

Withdrawal syndrome brings on a lot of weird, undiagnosable symptoms that come and go. Often one will start up, occur for a while in waves, and gradually go away -- to be replaced by another odd symptom in some other part of the body.

 

soso, this is why we urge people to remain patient and not panic at symptoms. They can be very distressing, painful, and even disabling, but they tend to occur in waves and go away.

 

If you allow yourself to become anxious about every symptom all the time, you will be anxious a great deal -- which is bad for the recovery of your nervous system.

 

One thing we know about these symptoms is they tend to change and go away. Full recovery can take a long, time, though, so learning how to be patient and cope is a necessary skill.

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Soso

Thank you for the reply, The twitching is much better, my sleep is much better, but now it's my HEAD, very weird and scary symptoms, I hope it will get better soon.

My problem started with a very sharp neck pain and digestive symptoms, the doctors didn't know what is my problem so they put me on AD, shame on them, I really don't trust anyone of them. I still have my neck pain and it is worse than before after the fever.

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Barbarannamated

Tagging on to this eye discussion altho I doubt there is relation.

 

I have Post Vitreous Detachment (glob stuff at back of eye, not retina). Was nearsighted at young age, LASIX in '98. -10D to near perfect, then back to -3D, no explanation. Due to this, I'm high risk for back of eye probs. Glob floaters bad now, it's difficult to see thru. Like a cloud curtain, but not dark as it would be w retina detachment. Sun/light helps but I'm in Wash DC area--very dark, rainy, no sun. Docs tell me there is nothing that can be done short of a vitreectomy (sp?)-extreme measure. Omegas may help.

My question: anyone familiar w this or any relation to meds? It's very disturbing and they say it will get worse but I should adapt to it (2 yrs and not happening).

Clouds in the sky and clouds in my eyes. It's dark in here. :-(

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stan

hoi Tramond,

 

dry eyes are common symptoms of withdrawal from antidepressants and benzo, i have it and also dry mouth, withdrawal inhibits saliva or/and eyes water; hope it will go away,

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Shanti

Tagging on to this eye discussion altho I doubt there is relation.

 

I have Post Vitreous Detachment (glob stuff at back of eye, not retina). Was nearsighted at young age, LASIX in '98. -10D to near perfect, then back to -3D, no explanation. Due to this, I'm high risk for back of eye probs. Glob floaters bad now, it's difficult to see thru. Like a cloud curtain, but not dark as it would be w retina detachment. Sun/light helps but I'm in Wash DC area--very dark, rainy, no sun. Docs tell me there is nothing that can be done short of a vitreectomy (sp?)-extreme measure. Omegas may help.

My question: anyone familiar w this or any relation to meds? It's very disturbing and they say it will get worse but I should adapt to it (2 yrs and not happening).

Clouds in the sky and clouds in my eyes. It's dark in here. :-(

 

Hi Barbarannamated. I had retinal tear and have that vitreous glob stuff floating around too. It can be annoying.

 

One thing I've noticed with the withdrawals is it's like my eyes are leaking off an on. They leak quite a bit. It's not quite as thick as sleep but not as thin as tears. Is this from withdrawals I wonder? I wonder what I can do.

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Shanti

Oh, and I wanted to say to Tramond that I am having weird vision issues with the w/d. Sometimes my vision gets pretty blurry for no reason. Or sometimes it's like I have a film over my eyes.

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Barbarannamated

My PVD began before WD, so cannot correlate. My vision was very bad since childhood, so tough for me to judge. I have noticed that it gets worse w flying. On a plane. Pressure changes, perhaps.

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Roads

I have something like RLS (yes restless leg syndrome)... but in the eye! My eyes are so uncomfortable and itching that when I close my eyes, they keep twithing. Last night, It was so bad I was craving to ****** them off. I hope it won't show up again this bad tonight... Really annoying.

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poodlebell

I had an eye test just over a year ago and the optician said that I had too much pressure and was going to get glaucoma. I went to the hospital for the tests and they found nothing wrong. Its all seroxat, and hopefully it will right itself in time.

 

poodlebell

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Claudius

I have eye twitching and pressure issues which started about 15 months in WD and still continue until today, now more than 50 months (4+ years) off. Of course I tend to belileve this is permanent, because even the hardest cases appear to recover within 2-3 years. And that from "only" one drug (Paxil/Seroxat) in the "lowest" dose of 10 mg...

I am now unable to work for almost 4 years and still not reovered, but way better than my lowest point ever. I see perspective, have plans, but just need to postpone them because of the still nasty issues.

And my social anxiety is back in some way, it was almost gone under the PAxil, in that sense it was indeed a wonder drug to me. But restarting after the unimaginable w/d horror is of course no option anymore.

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kerrip

Hi All,

 

I am coming up on month 11 of being off Celexa after 7 years at 20mg a day. 4 months ago I went on Trazodone to help with sleep (I only wanted to be on temporarily as sleep was pretty bad). I am on 50 mg a night. About a month ago I noticed my left eyebrow started twitching. It was intermittent but it happened, it has now progressed to my left eyelid and it happens every day, very often. I am scared by it. Could trazodone be causing this? I thought it may have been the valerian root, chamomile, and gaba that I take often for sleep as well but I have taken these for years. I read that trazodone (in low doses) can decrease extracellular GABA in parts of the brain and this has me worried. I did take a benzo one night for sleep and I noticed the eye twitches were worse the next morning so I am associating this as a GABA related issue.

 

Here is that study I mentioned: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15610924

 

Can anyone help?

 

Another question I have is whether you recommend that I can CT the trazodone without any ill effects. It has only been 4 months. I did skip a dose last night and slept normal. I am suspicious about whether the Trazodone really is helping with my sleep anyways.

 

Thanks so much, I appreciate it.

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kerrip

I am also noticing right now that the pupil is larger in the eye with the twitching eyelid. Now I am thinking I should go to the doctor. Is this WD related, or related to the Trazodone? I just read Alto's article on that nasty mcPP metabolite. Maybe 4 months of that in my system is damaging my nerve?

 

Actually, I just remembered I tried putting a drop of Naphcon A in my affected eye earlier in the day (but not the other one), since I read online it can help. It did nothing for the twitch, but that is probably why it is dilated. Ok, brain tumor fears are abated (for now ;-)).

 

Thanks in advance for any information or experiences, or support that you can share on what is going on with my eye twitch.

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Skyler

Could be myoclonus from the trazodone. I had this from an older AD and this remitted once I was off. Hopefully you don't need to go CT.. Most docs are poorly informed about tapering, so be very cautious about any advice he might give.

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kerrip

Thanks Schuyler,

 

I have another suspicion..I have been using a prescription toothpaste for a couple of months. It has 5x the fluoride in it compared to regular toothpastes. I originally was instructed to brush with it at night, and NOT to rinse but to let it sit in my mouth overnight. After being on it for a month my dentist told me to use it 2, even 3 times a day. It was about when I started using it multiple times a day that I noticed my eyelid twitching. Another symptom that came up at around the same time is that my left arm is getting numb, at the wrist and it affects sensation in my hand.

 

Could this be some fluoride toxicity that I am dealing with? I think it is safe to say that I have been swallowing a lot of the tooth paste since I am not rinsing after use.

 

I have stopped using this toothpaste as of today.

 

thanks

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Altostrata

Trazodone is a very sloppy, dirty drug with a nasty active metabolite, mCPP. See http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2883-tips-for-tapering-off-trazodone-desyrel/

 

See adverse and side effects in FDA prescribing info here http://www.drugs.com/pro/trazodone.html

 

See the very extensive list of drug interactions here http://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/trazodone.html

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elbillingino

Decided to bump this because I am being driven mad by damned eye floaters!!!!

 

It's actually a key component of the almost constant cognitive fog/derealisation that I'm suffering. It's like watching a degraded movie there are so many of the little things in the 'background' and bigger floaters in the 'foreground'.

 

Does anything help with this, other than time?

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Barbarannamated

Decided to bump this because I am being driven mad by damned eye floaters!!!!

 

It's actually a key component of the almost constant cognitive fog/derealisation that I'm suffering. It's like watching a degraded movie there are so many of the little things in the 'background' and bigger floaters in the 'foreground'.

 

Does anything help with this, other than time?

 

I have a history of bad eyes (very nearsighted at young age, LASIX in 90s, post vitreous detachment) so not certain what to attribute to drug use/withdrawal, but the last few weeks have been brutal with floaters, clouds, sandpaper dry eyes. It all contributes, as you mentioned, to the DP/DR and general feeling of living in a haze. I suspect it's exacerbated by allergies currently.

 

I've been advised to use Omega 3 by optometrists. I've also tried some of the supplements for vision that contain lutein. I go through a lot of OTC eye lubricating products.

 

I'm about 2 years post last dose and this just flared in last month with very dry and windy weather in Southern CA.

 

I hope this helps in some way.

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elbillingino

Thanks Barbarannamated. Will try what you've suggested. I also suffer from allergies - now having a bad reaction to antihistamines since I had a bad reaction to reinstating sertraline too late. I'm still able to take my steroid nasal spray which seems to help somewhat

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Melphill

I had the most bizarre symptoms yesterday. I currently weaned my Abilify dose from 2mg to 1.8 mg 12 days ago. I felt extremely hot and experienced a visual disturbance. I was working on a computer and all of the sudden I couldn't see the first 2 letters of any word. I tried not to panic. Then I began to see wavy lines in my peripheral vision especially my left eye which I developed an eye twitch in about a month ago. I went to my boss at work and told her I thought that I needed to go home. She wanted me to go to the Emergency Room, I work in a hospital, but I wouldn't go. I took a break and had some peanut butter and graham crackers because this episode took place about 10:30 a.m. and I hadn't eaten breakfast yet. Right after I ate my snack, my vision came back to normal and I felt fine. I was able to go back to work and finish my day and I felt fine for the rest of the day.

 

I was wondering if anyone else has experienced anything like this. I know that Abilify can cause diabetes. I didn't know if maybe my blood sugar was low. What ever the reason, I am certain that it was related to weaning down on the Abilify. I am only going to lower my dose by 0.2mg per month. I can't wait to get off of this potent poison.

 

I have to say that Abilify did pull me out of a severe depression 1 1/2 years ago when my adult son told me that he is transgender. But I have been working a 12 step program and have learned coping skills and can't wait till I take my last dose of Abilify. My memory is terrible and I just pray that all of the medications that I have been on for last 25 years have not put to many holes in my brain or shrunk it to much!

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Altostrata

Changing dosages of any psychiatric drug can cause this kind of reaction. Let's hope this was a passing adjustment.

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Djones1984

I seem to have developed more, or am more aware of eye floaters in withdrawl and they are driving me crazy. I have had some eye floaters for a long time but was able to cope better before withdrawl no I see them all the time and they drive me nuts. How do you cope with them? Anything that can be done to alleviate them?

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amiss

When I had DPD, I was more aware of floaters. They're not harmful, just annoying. I attribute it to hypervigilance. My anxiety/hypersensitivity went down I haven't noticed them since. Only when I look at the sky now. 

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btdt

Hoo boy. I have been off Effexor completely( after so many attempted tries)since July 6th. This has been absolute hell. I had hoped the recovery would be faster, but then, I was on it for 18 years, so what did I expect?

I have been taking 5HTP, Omega 3 and vitamin B. It has helped, but when I find I am in a situation that stresses me in the least, I feel like I fall right back into withdrawal. I feel hopeless, angry( really angry at times) and resentful. All the physical symptoms are nearly gone, except for the odd time I can hear my eyes moving( when I am really tired)

I guess I am asking for some good news- that there is light at the end of the tunnel, and I'm not doomed to feel like this forever.( I couldn't live like this to be honest- I would have to go back on something, which I really don't want to do)

 

I too quit Effexor and sensed I could hear my eyeballs moving.  

I found this quite by accident a gift from the Gods one day. 

A scientific understanding of why this is happening.

 

Can You Hear Your Eyeballs Move?

Author:[Cerebrl]| Category: Biology, Health and Medicine | 02-19-07

 

This may seem like a question for a riddle or utter non-sense, but there are sufferers of an odd syndrome caused by serotonin and a little part of your brain called the nucleus accumbens. InScientific American Mar.‘07, there is a story of a neuroscientist that suffered from a horrid grating noise coming from his eyeballs while he tries to fall asleep.

Now before you start reading on, I want you to keep this thought in the back of your head:“Do you perceive the world around you as it really is, or just as your brain wants to interpret it?” Hopefully I have not lost you by now, but keep up as this gets interesting.

The story starts with Douglas Fields, the neuroscientist with “loud” eyeballs. In attending a neuroscience meeting in Atlanta, Georgia, he sat down with a college friend of his to have a couple of beers at a bar. When Douglas noticed Josef Rauschecker ofGeorgetown University drinking a beer as well, he acquired enough courage to ask him about his really unique problem since he knew Josef was an authority on the auditory cortex. Once Douglas gets his attention and starts describing how his eyeballs start to make a loud, irritating noise as soon as he tries to go to sleep, the guy sitting right next to him says,“Me, too!” Who knows what the actual likelihood of this happening is…but let me go on.

Once the two recover from being dumbfounded over this very strange, unique coincidence, Josef blurts out,“I know what your problem is.” Douglas thinks to himself:

What are the chances of meeting someone else who shares my oddball noise and in front of the only person in the world who could understand it?

 

Josef goes on to say that their problem is serotonin.“Serotonin is a neurotransmitter that stimulates neurons in the nucleus accumbens (NA) to activate it.” The nucleus accumbens or NA is basically an input regulation device. It allows a certain amount of sensory input into the conscious mind depending on what “we” are doing at that time. When one is deeply focused on a specific task, the NA will block out or heavily regulate unwanted noise or other sensory input. A good example is the selective hearing that men are so good at while watching a football game. His NA is blocking out the talking of his wife, so that he can continue watching his football game uninterrupted.

What does this mean for good old Douglas and his friend? Well, when Douglas was younger he injured his inner ear, and when his nerve fibers sprouted to repair the damage some of them “miss-wired” and ended up cross-wiring to his circuits that are responsible for vision and balance. So, some of the sensory input from his eyes that should go to his visual cortex ended up going to his auditory cortex causing him to hear his eyes move. How does that sound [Pun intended]?

Serotonin comes into play to control what the NA lets through when one tries to “fall” asleep. So when Douglas starts to enter into his twilight sleep, his NA falls asleep as well, allowing him to hear his eyeballs move. The same action occurs when he wakes up. Fortunately, all Douglas has to do is adjust his serotonin and he should never hear his eyeballs again.

After I originally read this story, I couldn’t stop thinking about how this proves that our reality is nothing but electrical inputs, and how we trust our brains to interpret them correctly. It is our brain that will decide what is essential and what is not. But, what if our brain does not interpret them in the way that represents what is really “out there”. What does that do to our sense of “reality”. So, is the world around you really like what you think it is, or is your brain wrong? I guess we will never know. But what can be learned from the above incredible story, is what you think you perceive may not be “really” reality

http://www.blog4brains.com/2007/02/19/can-you...

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Janie

I am at month 15 off effexor and a new symptom lately is a 'heat wave' effect right where I am looking for a second or two. Went to opth. and he said it is a type of floater due to aging.  I do wonder if it could not be WD related. I am now taking lutein and xianthenine or whatever tabs in hopes it will prevent worsening, even though doc said vitamins won't help.  Does any one have floaters like this? Or only the dark spot types?

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Ellen042

So sorry you're having this problem.  Don't have much to add, but I feel for you.  I developed terrible floaters as a kid, as I too am severely nearsighted (-7.50 DS OU). I'm sure it's been explained to you that the more nearsighted we are, the more at risk we are for floaters, and that you actually learn to notice the floaters less as time passes.  Just to give you some patience with the doctors, the only solution/cure for floaters is a vitrectomy, which carries a significant risk for permanent vision loss is both eyes.  No one would want to go blind trying to cure floaters, and that's why the procedure is never even mentioned.  It would be medical malpractice for an eye doctor to perform a double vitrectomy on you.  That's why they stress time for the symptoms to ease.  After over 20 years of developing awful floaters myself, I hardly even notice them anymore.  It was a gradual process to get here, but most of the "getting used to" the floaters took place within the first few years.  It's like not noticing your nose in your vision all day long.  You do in fact see your nose no matter what you're looking at every minute of every day, but our brains have learned to tune it out as useless information.  That's exactly what happens in getting used to floaters.  They never really go away; you just don't notice them anymore.  Really.  I assure you.  Hope this helps you understand a bit better. 

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Janie

I think I might have something other than floaters. I'm noticing blurry vision when I refocus my eyes from looking down to looking up across the room, like there is a delay in their ability to focus.  I think it is part of all the neurological stuff going on in my body/brain.

 

I have a few dark spot type floaters that I've had for years. This blurry vision is something new and is not like a floater that you'd see near or next to where you are looking. It impacts my vision right where I am looking. I think the doctor may have misdiagnosed me.  They are always in such a rush and don't seem to take time to ask questions about the specific symptoms  to figure out from the all the evidence what is wrong. They just do a test or lab test and run with that. What the patient tries to describe is mostly ignored.

 

I also get twitches in the muscles below the eye (as well as other places on and inside my body). Perhaps the focusing muscles are twitching and not focusing right at times.

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