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I took cipralex first for two months in 2015. Stopped after tapering for 2 weeks according to doctor recommondation. I felt good for about five months, then withdrawal started in October 2015.

 

From October till February I did not take any medication. In March 2016 I went to the psychiatrist again and he recommended taking cipralex for six months. So I took it for six months and tapered for about a month. I felt good for five weeks and then withdrawal started.

 

These are the symptoms I had at the start of withdrawal. One fourth head feeling. I felt like major part of my brain is missing. Heart palpitations, fatigue, dry mouth. Frequent urination, anxiety, anhedonia, depression, muscle pain, insomnia. In the beginning I slept only 3-4 hours and other symptoms as well.

 

Now, after 18 months of medication free I feel much better but still not 100% though. My question is, does it take that long for some who took ssri for short time like a total of 8 months to heal?

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My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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Hello Ibnabu and welcome to SA. 

 

It certainly sounds like you've had a lot of drug changes and fast reductions, which can really sensitize and destabilize the nervous system. 

 

It definitely can take people 18 months or more to heal, especially with a lot of drug changes. The good news is that there is hope. People definitely do heal. 

It is very promising that you have noticed improvements in 18 months. It is likely that you will continue to get better. Many people experience healing in a "windows and waves" pattern, with periods of improvement (windows) and periods of increased symptoms (waves).

 

To help us out, please list your recent drug history, dosages, etc in a signature using this link:  Please put your drug and withdrawal history in your signature 

 

There are topics on this forum that address the withdrawal symptoms you are having. Here is one on insomnia that you might find helpful: in Tips to help sleep -- so many of us have that awful withdrawal insomnia

and Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

How are you doing now? Is there a pattern to your symptoms?

 

Current: 2019: 0.04 mg Paxil!! This is real. Soon, after taking Paxil my entire adult life, I will be free.

Long story short: After 18 years on Paxil, "tapered" almost completely off over a month, at doctor's advice in July 2015.

Self-care includes magnesium, reasonable exercise, mindfulness, this forum and nutrition/eating enough food.

Also on 100 mg Zoloft unfortunately!! (which I now will have the knowledge to taper properly)

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Longer version: On Paxil since 1996--anxiety & depression caused by (undiagnosed) under-eating / eating disorder.

Doctor kept increasing dose, up to 60 mg; it never really helped but said it really was the best "med" for me.

Rapid doctor-led "taper" July 2015, down to 5 mg, with Zoloft as a "cross-taper" = Essentially a cold turkey. 

Severe withdrawal but didn't know it; believed it was my "underlying condition," and kept tapering, 5mg to 4 to 3  to 2 to 1.  

Feb 2016: Found SA! As of June 2016, tapering from 1mg at rate of 5-10% per month, Brassmonkey Slide! 

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Thank u skyblue

I do not think I have a pattern of my symptoms because most of them have disappeared. In the beginning of withdrawal I think i had windows and waves for about 3 to 4 months but then it changed to continuous suffering. Now I feel ok but not 100% as my old self. I have healed alot though. I still have mild nerve pain in my right leg. Mild health anxiety. 

You said that I had alot of drug changes. I only took cipralex twice of a total of 8 months. I never took any other medication. So it is not alot of drug changes!. Maybe I was not clear enough in my first post. I took cipralex first in february 2015 for two months, tapered for two weeks, felt ok for five months then symptoms started in October 2015. From October 2015 till february 2016 i did not take any medication at all. In March 2016, I took cipralex for six months till September 2016. I felt ok for six weeks then symptoms started. From October 2016 till today I did not take any medication at all. So ur answer is that, yes it takes 18 or actually now 19 months to heal and even longer. My question is then, even for people who took ssri for only 8 months? So i understand that it may take 3 or even 4 years to heal even for people who only took ssri for 8 months? I hope that u be more specific in ur answer.

Thak u alot 

 

 

My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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Hello, Ibnabu.

 

You have gone on and off drugs several times. This can be wearing on the nervous system. Anyone who has taken one of these drugs for more than a month is at risk for withdrawal syndrome.

 

So, yes, although you did not take a lot of pills altogether, you have had prolonged withdrawal syndrome. We see this fairly frequently.

 

To what degree have you recovered, do you think? 80% 90%

 

What were your withdrawal symptoms like?

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Thanks Alto 

Yes indeed it is wearing to the cns. My symptoms in the beginning of withdrawal were:

A feeling that a part of my brain is missing. This feeling has disappeared. Insomnia, in the beginning I could only sleep 3 to 4 hours. Now after 19 months I can sleep 6 to 7 hours. Frequent urination and a constant feeling that I have to urinate although it is not a real urge to urinate. This symptoms has disappeared. Dizziness, has also disappeared. Muscle pain, has also disappeared. Panic attacks, were severe in the beginning. Now I do not have them at all. Health anxiety, now it is mild. Depresonlization, this symptom had faded. Bad short memory. Now my memory is much much better. Difficulty concentrating, now I can concentrate much better. And many other symptoms were these either disappeared or become much much less severe. I think comparing to the onset of withdrawal I have 90% healed even more BUT NOT 100%. I still have mild health anxiety, mild nerve pain in my right leg and fatigue. 

Is it expected to heal further or that is it?

My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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By the way, i could be so so patient with my withdrawal symptoms agony because of SA site. So thank you very much for the important information and help you provide. Without these information I will be on ssri for along time according to my doctor recommondation. I stopped listening to him after I found SA site. I read many sucess recovery stories on your site and on mad in america and these gave me hope. SO THANK U SO SO MUCH AGAIN

My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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Hello every body,

My name is ibnabu and I posted on SA before. I am 25 months drug free and after 19 months I thought I healed. However recently, since a week I have anhedonia. I have no mood to do anything. I am scared that the symptoms will return back. Very strange. Between 19 to 24 months of being drug free I felt ok and i thought I healed. Please tell, is this normal after 25? Is permanent damage? Please help I am very scared

My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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Hello, Ibnabu.

 

You may still experience occasional waves of symptoms. You may have done something recently that stressed your nervous system. Be patient, this will gradually go away.

 

Many people do better with fish oil and magnesium supplements, see http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/
http://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/15483-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/

 

A lot of people find them helpful. Try a little bit of one at a time to see how it affects you.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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You might find this topic helpful:  are-we-there-yet-how-long-is-withdrawal-going-to-take

 

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I am ibnabu. I have a question. Does sex help healing or make symptoms worse? I am a 49 years old man and i am two years off my ssri and noticed that when I make sex to my wife the first day I feel better but the next day I feel worse and the third day even much worse. So I wonder if any of you have an idea on this. I searched the net but found nothing.

My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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This topic is not about sex, but because having sex involves physical activity and exertion what is discussed here would be relevant:  

exercise-do-more-do-less-do-nothing-what-worked-for-you

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ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015  Current from 14 Nov 2020:  Pristiq 0.50 mg

My tapering program                                      My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

 

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

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I am ibnabu. Do we really heal after stopping ssri or it is just suffering and waist of time? I am 2 yrs off cipralex and although I noticed huge improvements but still have some symptoms and i was recently hit by wave. I only took the drug for 8 months altogether. Will I find answer here or not?

My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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Hi Ibnabu,

 

Please put questions about your own situation in your Introductions topic.  This way your history will all be in one place.

 

There are many existing topics on this site.  You can either use the site search function or use google and add survivingantidepressants.org to the search term.

 

On 5/4/2018 at 5:43 AM, Altostrata said:

although you did not take a lot of pills altogether, you have had prolonged withdrawal syndrome

 

protracted-withdrawal-or-paws-post-acute-withdrawal-syndrome-how-long-does-it-last

 

On 10/19/2018 at 5:02 AM, Altostrata said:

You may still experience occasional waves of symptoms.

 

Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilization

 

Video:  Healing From Antidepressants - Patterns of Recovery

 

From this topic what-does-healing-from-withdrawal-syndrome-feel-like:

 

 

Basically- you have a building where the MAJOR steel structures are trying to be rebuilt at different times - ALL while people are coming and going in the building and attempting to work.

It would be like if the World Trade Center Towers hadn't completely fallen - but had crumbled inside in different places.. Imagine if you were trying to rebuild the tower - WHILE people were coming and going and trying to work in the building!  You'd have to set up a temporary elevator - but when you needed to fix part of that area, you'd have to tear down that elevator and set up a temporary elevator somewhere else. And so on. You'd have to build, work around, then tear down, then build again, then work around, then build... ALL while people are coming and going, ALL while the furniture is being replaced, ALL while the walls are getting repainted... ALL while life is going on INSIDE the building. No doubt it would be chaotic. That is EXACTLY what is happening with windows and waves.  The windows are where the body has "got it right" for a day or so - but then the building shifts and the brain works on something else - and it's chaos again while another temporary pathway is set up to reroute function until repairs are made.  


And just like the Twin Towers- it's possible - but the buiding is a major effort -and it takes a good year or more sometimes. 

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ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015  Current from 14 Nov 2020:  Pristiq 0.50 mg

My tapering program                                      My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

 

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

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I do not believe that it is healing after 2 years

 

Hello every body, 

I am ibn abu. I just wonder some symptoms return after two years of not taking any medication, no alcohol, stopped smoking cigarettes, two years and i still have some symptoms. Some times I sleep only 6 hour with 2 awakening. Usually I sleep more. I sweat too much specially at night, not every night though. If i dont sleep between 9:30-10pm then I fall in sleep but I wake 2-3 times, some times more.

I do bot believe it still withdrawal. I think it is a sort of damage. Hope some body reply and assure me  thank everyone.

 

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My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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Please read this post about Cold Turkey and Fast Tapers

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ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015  Current from 14 Nov 2020:  Pristiq 0.50 mg

My tapering program                                      My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

 

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

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Thank you for your reply chessieCat. You sent this to me before and i read it. What is that supposed to me. I took the drug first for two months and after half a year took it for six months. So in total I took cipralex for 8 months.  I know I stopped ct. I have made alot of improvements during the past two years. Are you telling me that it may take 3-5 years?. By the way what is PSSD in the article?.

Thank you 

My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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PSSD is Post SSRI/SNRI Sexual Disfunction

 

13 minutes ago, Ibnabu said:

Are you telling me that it may take 3-5 years?

 

We don't know how long it is going to take.  All we can tell you is that it is going to take time.  You can't make the brain adapt any quicker.

 

When we take a psychiatric drug it introduces chemicals to the brain and the brain changes.  The brain is always trying to regain homeostasis, or level things out, so when we take a psychiatric drug that changes the chemicals in the brain, the brain's response is change things, or adapt to getting the drug.  When we take some or all of the drug away the brain starts trying to level things out.  This is what creates the withdrawal symptoms.  When you first get off the drug  it's a bit like huge pot holes in a road because the brain is trying to do a lot of levelling out.  Over time the brain adapts so things level out, like levelling out a road so it only has some minor bumps instead of pot holes. As the brain adapts the withdrawal symptoms get fewer and/or milder.

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ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015  Current from 14 Nov 2020:  Pristiq 0.50 mg

My tapering program                                      My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

 

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

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Sorry for asking too much. Will I heal at the end even if it takes 3-5 years. I am 25 months drug free and comparing to the beginning it is much better. Many symptoms disappeared completely. But some appeared after 13 months in withdrawal. All psychological symptoms have disappeared e g. no more depression, no more panic. 

Will I heal if i wait or shall I reinstate the drug?

Thanks 

My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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You are feeling better than you used to.  That is a very good sign.  Sometimes symptoms go away but might come back for a while.  Sometimes you might get new symptoms.  Understanding that your brain is healing helps you to know why you have times when the symptoms appear.

 

After being off the drug for 25 months, and being much better now, reinstating the drug may make things worse and/or slow down the healing.

 

It's a good idea to learn non drug techniques.  These can help you during times when the withdrawal symptoms are worse, but they are also good things to learn to help you with living life afterwards.  If you went on the drug because of anxiety you need to learn ways to cope with anxiety without using drugs.  If you went on a drug to help with depression you need to learn ways to cope with times when you feel depressed without using drugs.

 

Leo put it in a nutshell:

 

On 11/10/2018 at 8:32 PM, Leo1983 said:

What your saying to me is you need to learn techniques to manage your life whilst in WITHDRAWAL! And they will also serve you well once you HEAL. 

 

 

Non-drug techniques to cope

 

dealing-with-emotional-spirals

 

Dr Claire Weekes suffered from anxiety and learned and taught ways of coping.  There are videos available on YouTube.

 

Claire Weekes' Method of Recovering from a Sensitized Nervous System

 

Cognitive Behavior Therapy (CBT) for anxiety, depression

 

Audio:  First Aid for Panic (4 minutes)
 
Resources:  Centre for Clinical Interventions (PDF modules that you can work through, eg:  Depression, Distress Intolerance, Health Anxiety, Low Self-Esteem, Panic Attacks, Perfectionism, Procrastination, Social Anxiety, Worrying)
 
Video:  EMDR - Balloon

 

 

BrassMonkey wrote:

 

AAF: Acknowledge, Accept, Float.  It's what you have to do when nothing else works, and can be a very powerful tool in coping with anxiety.  The neuroemotional anxiety many of us feel during WD is directly caused by the drugs and their chemical reactions in the brain.  Making it so there is nothing we can do about them.  They won't respond to other drugs, relaxation techniques and the like.  They do, however, react very well to being ignored.  That's the concept behind AAF.  Acknowledge, get to know the feeling involved, explore them.  Accept, These feelings are a part of you and they aren't going anywhere fast. Float, let the feeling float off as you get on with your life as best as you can.  It's a well documented fact that the more you feed in to anxiety the worse it gets.  What starts as generalized neuroemotinal anxiety can be easily blown into a full fledged panic attack just by thinking about it.

 

I often liken it to an unwanted house guest.  At first you talk to them, have conversations, communicate with them.  After a while you figure out that they aren't leaving and there is nothing you can do to get rid of them.  So you go on about your day, working around them until they get bored and leave.

 

It can take some practice, but AAF really does work.  I hope you give it a try.

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ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015  Current from 14 Nov 2020:  Pristiq 0.50 mg

My tapering program                                      My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

 

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

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 Hi every one, I am ibnabu,

I read a lot about the 10% tapering method and it's importance to avoid severe withdrawal symptoms and to shorten the period of healing. But the reality is different. I have calculated the time span for some one who will start tapering from 20mg lexapro. If he or she applies the 10% rule and wait 4 weeks after each reduction it will take around 50 months (4.1 years). If she/he waits 6 week after each reduction to stabilize the it will take 75 months (6.25 years). The question is, is this realistic? Add to this the time it takes her/him to heal, to recover. It means at least 10 or more years. In this method the drug will stay in the system for very long time and the damage (If any) will be more. Where is research to support the 10% tapering rule?. I am not saying to stop ct like I did but also not to taper for such a long time. If someone was 2 years on 20mg lexapro and taper according to the recommended 10% then this person will need between 4.1y - 6.25y plus the time to recover, heal (may be 2-3years). After all this time there is no grantee this person will heal in 2-3years. It may take longer, much longer. In this case it is frustrating. Some one tried this 10% and it worked for him (James Heaney). I hope there will be a more realistic approach.

My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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Hello everyone, 

I am ibnabu, wrote my story before and got relpy. I am now 31 months in withdrawal from cipralex 20mg taken for about 7months. Alot of symptoms disappeared and in general feel much better than in the first two years. On Monday 28th of April 2019 I was feeling great, peace in myself and all of a sudden all my symptoms disappeared and I said to my self waw I never felt that good in 31 months. The night of that day something very strange happened. I woke up at 1am and while laying on my back and tried to rol to my right side I felt the whole room spinning, rotating very fast. I got scared, very very scared. I stood up after that and the dizziness dissapeared and went to the toilet to pee and came back. The moment I played down a very intense dizziness took place. The whole room was spinning very fast, very vast. I was tired and fell in sleep again. In the morning I woke up with fear. I went to wash my hair and while moving my head dowm waw the room was spinning again and i got very scared. I wnt to bed again with fear that something dangerous was going on. I said to my self i have to go to work, I have to work. How can i work with this dizziness. I can not function like this. In my country if you do not work you can not live. You do not get money from the government. I have a family to look after. I search the internet and found " BPPV" "Benign paroxysmal positional vertigo" that has the symptoms I have. The dizziness depends on my head movement. I called the ear doctor and made an appointment at 15:00 pm. He checked my middle ear and found nothing and I became more scared. Then he said he will send me to the ear centre to do more tests. I was received by a special ear doctor and made the neccessary tests with computer program connected to a special device that was placed on my head and asked me to move my head several times and said he found the problem and the solution is very easy and I got a sense of relief. He said that the calcium carbonate particles in my inner ear were dislocated and that he will reposition them and the vertigo will dissapear. I thought waw is it so easy????? Will it really dissapear? I hope so. He asked me to lay down and said he will rotate my head to the left and that I will feel very very dizzy and I should tell him when the spinning stops. Oh the room was spinning like 100 round per second and finally the dizziness stopped after about 2 minutes. We repeayed the procedure on the right side and it was the same feeling. He gave me a piece of paper with some excercies to do for four weeks. The fear did not go away. I was still scared and kept asking myself what was that? Is it still withdrawal? It is soooo scary, so scary. Now after about a week I feel better but I am lift with mild dizziness but without spinning and nothing to compare with what I had. But I noticed positive things. The inner tension I had for 31 months has dissapeared. What is lift from my heart palpitations dissapeared. I became much more relaxed. My resting heart rate went down from 75 to 58 bmp. My blood pressure went down. Inner relaxation is the thing that appeared and the inner tension that has dissapeared. I do not know if this has to do with withdrawal or not. I did not have head injury that can cause the dislocation of my inner ears particles. I am not sure. Can it be withdrawal after 31 months. Please relp and tell me if this is withdrawal or not.

Wish all of you a good health and fast recovery

My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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Hi Ibnabu!

You are not alone, I also experience the spinning sensation and the inner tension you described. It does get better, you will heal completely.

It could be withdrawal, I didn't get dizzy until 4 months after I stopped taking the drug, and some people on this forum took years to recover.

But the most important point is that you WILL heal completely, and you're probably over the worst now.

- March 2017: 50mg Sertraline starts

- August 2017: up to 100mg

- February 2018: down to 50mg

- November 2018: one-week taper down to 0mg

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Thank you very much herod

My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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Is it really withdrawal

 

Hi everyone, I am ibnabu,

Hope everyone is doing jus fine. I took cipralex 10mg first for two months Jan. 2015 to March 2015. I then tapered following doctor advise in two weeks then stopped. I did not feel any symptoms till end of September 2015. I had all the symptoms that people in SA know. I waited until February 2016 where I went to a psychiatrist and told me to take cipralex 20mg every day. I took it for six months and then stopped CT in August 2016. The first month I had no symptoms at all then after a month I was struck with many symptoms. Since September 2016 I am in withdrawal. Since this time I stopped smoking cigarettes, drinking coffee and black tee and took no brain active substances. Many symptoms have disappeared. But still I am not 100% healed. Now I have mild fatigue, Lightheadness, strange feeling inside my head. It is not pain but weird sensation. Is it withdrawal after 32 months? Does withdrawal last this long? Please assure me and tell me the truth. Is my brain damaged. Will I live like this? I need some answers. 

 

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My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015  Current from 14 Nov 2020:  Pristiq 0.50 mg

My tapering program                                      My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

 

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

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Hi everyone,

Can cipralex withdrawal last years. I took it for only 8 months and after 35 months off of it, I still experience withdrawa symptoms. I improved alot but still not fully healed. Does it take sooooooo long?.

My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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Yes it can take a long time.  It is good that you have noticed improvement and you state that it is "a lot" which is really good.

 

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NEW!!!              INTERVIEW with Altostrata, SA's founder               NEW!!! 

 

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015  Current from 14 Nov 2020:  Pristiq 0.50 mg

My tapering program                                      My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

 

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

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Hi and thanks for the answer,

Since 5/14/2019 till two weeks ago I was hit by recurrent infections. First severe tonsillitis, then after about 55 days another tonsillitis and two weeks ago with prostate infection. I took amoxicillin for the first tonsilitis, erythromycin for the second and Levox. for the prostate infection. I never faced recurrent infections in a relatively short time like this in my life (i am 50 yo). I had fatigue during taking antibiotics and some symptoms returned after stopping Levox. Now it is better but my bowel is affect by this. I do not know if this is withdrawal related or not. I wish I could know. I am 35 months after taking my last evil cipralex. I am afraid that infections will continue. Antibiotics cause setbacks and I hope i will continue healing.

My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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Topic title:  Unteruped sleep, please help

 

Hi everybody, i am Ibnabu,

I have a problem and do not know what to do. So please help me. After almost 35 months of being off cipralex and got my sleep back for the last several months ( I was sleeping 7 hours a night). Since 4 days I have terrible interrupted sleep. I sleep and then wake up after an hour and go back to sleep and wake after two hours and then wake up and stay a wake for nearly one hour and then sleep again for two hours. In the morning I do not feel that I slept enough and in the afternoon I feel exhausted. I do not know why. What am I suppose to do? Wait and fight through it in the hope that my sleep will return back? I am desperate because for the last yeas or so I was sleeping good deep sleep.

Please did anyone experienced this kind of polyphasic sleep like this? Please tell me what to do.

Thank for all of you

Ibnabu

 

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My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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When something like this happens it is a good idea to think about things which have been happening leading up to it.

 

We need to play detective.

 

Is the weather or room hot/cold, are you worried about something, had an argument, is your partner restless and perhaps waking you up (if you have a partner), is the bedroom dark enough, could there be a noise (someone leaving) that might be waking you, have you been going to bed at a regular time, are you using the computer or phone late at night, are you watching movies which might be causing you to be over excited or scared and on alert.

 

The worst thing you can do is start worrying about not getting enough sleep.  It's not unusual for anybody (ie people not experiencing tapering and withdrawal) to have times when they have a few nights of poor sleep.

 

There are some really good ideas in this topic:  Sleep problems - that awful withdrawal insomnia

 

 

 

 

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ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015  Current from 14 Nov 2020:  Pristiq 0.50 mg

My tapering program                                      My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

 

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

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Hi everyone, I am ibnabu,

I just want to report the following so some one can benefits from. I reported recently that I am facing troubles with sleep after being off off my ssri for 35 months. I wake every hour. I had severe fatique as well. I want to report that I did blood work to check my vit. B12, vit. D and testosterone (I am a man). It turned out to be like this: my vit  b12 was 151 ng/ml. The normal range 250-900. So I am defecient. My vit. D was 20 and the optimum range is 30-50, so I am defecient. My testosterone was very low 81 ng/dl and the normal range is 300-1200ng/dl. The doctor prescriped vitamin b complex injections b1 b6 b12 and nebido slow release testosterone injection plus 50000 iu vit. D3 tablets to be taken once a week. I took the testosterone injection one month ago and many vitamin b complex injections and the four vitamin D3.  I must report this, now I am feeling much much better. The severe fatique I had has deminshed a lot, my sleep is much better, my short term memory is much sharper. Hot flashes are way less. So please check your values as well.

Wish you all the best 

My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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Hi everyone, I am ibnabu,

I just want to report the following so some one can benefits from. I reported recently that I am facing troubles with sleep after being off off my ssri for 35 months. I wake every hour. I had severe fatique as well. I want to report that I did blood work to check my vit. B12, vit. D and testosterone (I am a man). It turned out to be like this: my vit  b12 was 151 ng/ml. The normal range 250-900. So I am defecient. My vit. D was 20 and the optimum range is 30-50, so I am defecient. My testosterone was very low 81 ng/dl and the normal range is 300-1200ng/dl. The doctor prescriped vitamin b complex injections b1 b6 b12 and nebido slow release testosterone injection plus 50000 iu vit. D3 tablets to be taken once a week. I took the testosterone injection one month ago and many vitamin b complex injections and the four vitamin D3.  I must report this, now I am feeling much much better. The severe fatique I had has deminshed a lot, my sleep is much better, my short term memory is much sharper. Hot flashes are way less. So please check your values as well.

Wish you all the best 

My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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Hello, Ibnabu.

 

Please put all your updates in your Introductions topic.

 

I am glad you are feeling better. I agree, everyone should get a general health check-up and make sure you have good levels of essential factors. Low vitamin B12 is indeed a serious concern, as is low vitamin D.

 

If you took all these supplements and injections at once, it's not clear which caused the improvement. It may be that supplementing vitamin B12 alone might have helped.

 

I would caution everyone to try only one intervention at a time, see if it helps, and then move on to the next. For example, try vitamin B12 supplementation for a week; if all is well, move on to vitamin D3 supplementation for a week, and so forth.

 

We do see people having bad reactions to other B vitamin supplementation, some B vitamins can cause high activation. Supplementing hormones such as testosterone also can backfire. If your nervous system is sensitized by adverse drug reactions and withdrawal, I would try these treatments with great caution. (Testosterone treatment is high risk for activating symptoms.)

 

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Please help

 

I am Ibnabu, 

As I wrote in my previous post that I took testosterone injection six months ago because my test. was low. It was a slow release Nebido injection that should be taken every 3 months. I took in 24/9/2019 so six months ago. Since that time I did not take any injection what so ever. I feel some symptoms returning like irratability, mild anxiety, fatigue, burning hands and feet. My question is if I wait will these symptoms go away? I am about 40 months of withdrawal from cipralex. I do not want to take Trt any more because of high rbs count and other risk factors. Please if anyone has knowledge or read something that can help, please let me know. I remember Altostrata said in her reply to me six month ago that taking testosterone can back fire on me. Please tell me more. 

Thank you very much and wish all of a good time. 

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My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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No body is replying to question

 

Hi all, 

Yesterday I posted in SA forum and searched for help but non has replied to me. I remind you, if any can help regarding my request please help?! 

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My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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@Ibnabu I moved your last two post from other forums areas and placed them here in your introduction thread. Please keep posting here in your own thread for questions about your taper and recovery. 

 

The best thing you can do after you come off these drugs is self care - eating healthy, drinking plenty of water, going for a daily walk, learning non-drug coping skills, etc. 

 

You have written that you've seen improvements along the way, so this likely is a wave. Please do as much self-care as you can. 

 

 

Drug free May 22, 2015 after 30 years of neuroleptics, benzos, z-drugs, so-called "anti"-depressants, and amphetamines 

 

My Success Story:  Shep's Success: "Leaving Plato's Cave"

 

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I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

 

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