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I do not know if this is the right thread, though I have also some new problems with my foot muscles.

Around 2 or 3 months ago, I was using a pedal boat with a friend when I was feeling quite fine. Problem is, I got sore muscles in my feet which took 3 to 4 weeks!!! to go away. And now my left foot is weird, i cannot use it 100% correctly. Hard to describe, but it flaps around somehow.

 

I am really losing my faith in recovery and my enjoyment of life. Physically I was 100% fit, trained and feeling great.

 

Is there anyone who had "only" physical symptoms that far out and still recovered? Most of those who have recovered spoke of improvements earlier or at 2 years out, but I get even worse.

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Altostrata

Maybe, this could be a physical issue. Perhaps you strained a muscle. I would go to a good chiropractor and get some treatment and exercise suggestions.

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Yes, this is a physical issue. But I think it is caused by wd. Never ever had sore muscles for 3 or 4 weeks. That is very unnatural.

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solida

Hi Qiurk,

 

I dont have "only" physical Symptoms that far out,but "many".

 

For example, when I m playing the drum,or even wash some shirts by hand my fingers still get blue afterwards (bruises),

or if I carry the baby from my friend sometimes my arm hurts for days really bad.Lower back pain comes and goes,

stiff neck all the time,pseudo arthritis in my knees comes and goes.A few times I had very sharp pain under my foot and so on.

 

.....I m tired of counting all the stuff and I also don t freak out by it.But of course some days it is really hard to bear.....Unfortunately I m hypersensitiv to accupunctur,but I enjoy a warm bath for muscle tension or getting a massage.

 

lg solida

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Maybe

Hey Solida,

 

I just would like to know what we can do to help our damaged cns to heal. There must be something.

Why do other people heal faster? It would be so good to have some recovered persons on this board who could give some advice on what they did and what may have helped them.

 

It seems you also have many weird symptoms like I do. This is so very annoying...do you do some sports?

I remember when I was in hospital, we did sports for 15 minutes in the early mornings and on the average I had a really good time there. I felt much better than I feel now...for 3 long months!!!

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moses

Is it normal to have achy joints while tapering?

Rosie

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Jemima

I've certainly been having a problem with being stiff and achy, but I wasn't sure if that was due to withdrawal or all the time I spent in bed at the beginning. It's a relief to know that this too will eventually go away!

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ajnjj

JEmima, have you ever heard that SSRIs cause fibromyalgia or CFS? Wondering if its that or ebsteinn barr flaring....

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Jemima

JEmima, have you ever heard that SSRIs cause fibromyalgia or CFS? Wondering if its that or ebsteinn barr flaring....

 

I think fibromyalgia has been mentioned as a side effect in a posting here, but I'll be darned if I remember where. (I don't know what CFS is.) Whatever medical problems you may have, in my opinion you can pretty much bet that antidepressants and withdrawal therefrom will aggravate each and every one.

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Nikki

Moses...

 

Aches and pains are a huge WD symptom. I learned how to get rid of them by laying down wit a nice comforter and letting the heat release the pains. Worked every time.

 

I have the Epstein-Barr Virus which shows up periodically. For me stress reactivates it. So does sleep deprivation.

I have to be running on empty for quite awhile for it to resurface. WD symptoms and EBV mimic each other. I have been able to differentiate. Rest is the answer for me. An entire afternoon on the sofa with a book, TV and the comforter.

 

EBV also causes anxiety/depression just like WD....

 

Hugs

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Jemima

WD symptoms and EBV mimic each other. I have been able to differentiate. Rest is the answer for me. An entire afternoon on the sofa with a book, TV and the comforter.

 

EBV also causes anxiety/depression just like WD....

 

 

That's interesting. I have a friend who was given Prozac for Epstein-Barr and she's been on it for years. (She asked when she could quit taking it, and her doctor told her to continue with it forever.) Now I wonder if the doctor thought that since Prozac seemed to work for depression that it would cure EBV.

 

Am I correct in thinking that Epstein-Barr Virus is the medical term for mononucleosis?

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Skyler

 

WD symptoms and EBV mimic each other. I have been able to differentiate. Rest is the answer for me. An entire afternoon on the sofa with a book, TV and the comforter.

 

EBV also causes anxiety/depression just like WD....

 

 

That's interesting. I have a friend who was given Prozac for Epstein-Barr and she's been on it for years. (She asked when she could quit taking it, and her doctor told her to continue with it forever.) Now I wonder if the doctor thought that since Prozac seemed to work for depression that it would cure EBV.

 

Am I correct in thinking that Epstein-Barr Virus is the medical term for mononucleosis?

 

You got me wondering if this is the reason I don't see Dx for mono so much any more. See the http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/mononucleosis/AN00661 take

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Skyler

Am I correct in thinking that Epstein-Barr Virus is the medical term for mononucleosis?

You got me wondering if this is the reason I don't see Dx for mono so much any more. See the Mayo Clinic

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Jemima

 

Am I correct in thinking that Epstein-Barr Virus is the medical term for mononucleosis?

You got me wondering if this is the reason I don't see Dx for mono so much any more. See the Mayo Clinic

 

Now I'm *really* confused. According to the CDC, EBV will turn into mono for 35-40% of adolescents and young adults, but is otherwise without symptoms. My friend was 51 when Prozac came on the market and I'm not sure if it was prescribed for her right away. Why on earth would this doctor give her a prescription for a virus that has no symptoms? Do I hear quacking in the background??? :blink:

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Altostrata

Just want to mention that achy joints can be caused by tight muscles; taking magnesium helps relax muscles, see http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1300-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker.

 

Also, be sure to drink plenty of water to keep those joints hydrated.

 

Now returning you to the conversation about EBV....

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Pandora

Anyone suffering, suffered from intense muscle aches? Mine started in the right neck/shoulder a few weeks ago - I thought it was from some focused sewing I was working on - and has gotten worse, at times excruciating.

 

Thnx,

Pandora

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Jemima

I started getting really nasty, arthritic-like pains in my hands and hips a month or two into withdrawal. That persisted for several months, but now, nine months since my last crumb of Lexapro, the pains are gone. I think aches and pains are a fairly common side effect of antidepressants, a side effect which gets worse in a too-fast withdrawal.

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areyouthere

Anyone suffering, suffered from intense muscle aches? Mine started in the right neck/shoulder a few weeks ago - I thought it was from some focused sewing I was working on - and has gotten worse, at times excruciating.

 

Thnx,

Pandora

 

Yes my muscles can get very taught to the point of intense pain. I have learned to use a myo facial release roller on pressure points and it can really make a difference. My calves and hamstrings are the worst. I frequently have jaw pain and have found that once I release the hamstrings ( when I sit on a pressure point I can feel more pain radiating in my jaw and face than my butt!) .. everything being connected. If the roller is too expensive and you don't want to go out on a limb I used a tennis ball cut in half for a long time. I still use a whole one sometimes when the pain is just a nuisance so I'll lie on it on my side in bed.

 

Sounds crazy but I swear by "releasing" the muscles. It sure works for me.

 

Oh. And if you are talking about "aches" like deep down to the bone type ache ..not muscle taughtness... the above mentioned technique is useless. I get that too when I am extremely tired , wake up from a long nap or sometimes when the air pressure drops or ascends rapidly. Can't help you there. Aleve often times won't even work for that. I just get bitchy. Doesn't help but no one gets in my face and bothers me anyway!!!

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Pandora

Thanks for the input. I was remembering earlier these same painful muscle aches when I was on Celexa. They occurred every now and then, and I thought every time it was the start of the flu, which of course never came.

 

I get so sad now, thinking about all the things I felt, all the ailments and the almost-flu and the brain zaps after missing just one dose, particularly of Cipralex/Lexapro. And I never imagined it was the poison, I blamed my weak immune system.

 

Sigh.

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Nadia

I have noticed my usual back pain gets a lot worse when I'm not doing well. I think it is muscle tension combined to greater pain susceptibility caused by withdrawal. Stretching, exercise, and massages help somewhat.

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bruno2016

my joint pain started about 5 years ago while on effexor. When I was on the name brand in 2004, there was no problems. It wasnt until I got on effexor the second time that I started noticing knee problems. Things really got bad when I purchased a generic brand from a canadian pharmacy that came from India. I immediately had jaw pain, knee pain, and other pains. Since then, I have had joint problems. I then switched to zoloft and the severe joint pain eventually became manageable, but the zoloft made me feel ill and weak. Once I got on celexa, I added things like tumeric and fish oil and other things which helped a lot. I think the tumeric did a lot of good. Anyways, I have been off drugs for a year now and the joint pain is bothering me. When i first got off, it wasnt so bad. Then I began getting severe pains in my shoulders and jaw. Things sort of leveled out and right now my main issues are hip pain, thumb, ankle, wrist. Do you all think I should go see someone about this? Perhaps there is an underlying issue here. I am only 28 and cant imagine already having arthritis.

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peggy

It is very possible that your joint pain is related to withdrawal - but also possible that you may have some kind of lingering virus that causes arthralgia. A blood test could show if you have any antigens or if your ESR is elevated (which often if there is some kind of inflammatory response going on in the body)

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Shanti

I had nerve pain before I was ever on any psyche meds. However, it was after I started taking meds that I developed severe facet joint pain in my lumbar and thoracic spine. Nothing shows up on MRI or Xray. I think there is a connection.

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bruno2016

It is very possible that your joint pain is related to withdrawal - but also possible that you may have some kind of lingering virus that causes arthralgia. A blood test could show if you have any antigens or if your ESR is elevated (which often if there is some kind of inflammatory response going on in the body)

 

this is one thing that has crossed my mind--is there some kind of virus or bacteria causing this? Is this test expensive? How can I get it? I dont have insurance :(

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vaseadude

Hi there!

 

I am having knee pain/discomfort, which makes me unstable when I stand on my feet, like having a hard time balancing on them, and feeling discomfort and strain in the knees. The knees seem to snap back and forth, like they are loose, and its hard to stand firmly on the feet. Sometimes I feel sharp pain in the bottom of my knees, below the knee cap. It usually gets more severe in the evening. It is just a discomfort to stand up on my feet. It seems fine when I sit or lye down, maybe just a little discomfort, barely noticeable. The real thing is when the pressure of my body presses on the knees when I stand.

 

Can this be related to withdrawal? I heard that you can get joint pain, but can it manifest like the above symptoms? OR could I have messed them up while exercising?

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dalsaan

Hi Vas

 

What kind of exercise have you been doing and how much?

 

Dalsaan

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vaseadude

I was doing mostly gentle exercise like qigong, and before the pain started, I was doing a still standing practice in total about 1 hour a day (more like standing meditation)(it wasnt a continuous 1 hour, but more like 20 min several times a day). I was doing it because it calmed me down at the same time. Now I think that that much practice could have strained my knees. In standing so much in this posture, I sometimes collapsed the proper alignments without noticing, and at the end of the session my knees felt stiff and took a minute to get to normal. Once I noticed the pain though, I stopped the exercises, and within a week the knees felt better, but I also did some salt baths for that. After that I reinstated the exercises but I dropped the long standing practice in favor of some movements and for less time. And now I feel this pain in the knees that I described above again. So I stopped the new exercises as well yesterday, and today I still had the pain, and in the evening it became worse.

Right now I think its more likely caused by mispractice of these exercises... but, at the same time I want to exclude that the pain could be brought by widhtrawal.

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vaseadude

And why I suspect it to be withdrawal is:

1. After I have resumed qigong with no standing and just a few movements each day, my knees felt ok for a few weeks. Then, while doing the same exercises the knee pain started all of a sudden again.

2. the knee pain started around 3-4 weeks after the cut last time and its the same period this time as well.

 

Thus, at first I thought it might be that I overstrained them somehow doing the exercises. But with these above facts, I suspect the withdrawal too. So I want to ask if anyone experienced or has heard of such symptoms in withdrawal.

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Skyler

So I want to ask if anyone experienced or has heard of such symptoms in withdrawal.

 

I heard of those types of symptoms because of knee strain.. sound kinda familiar actually.

 

According to martial arts instructor Dave Coffman, traditional Chinese martial arts poses are pigeon-toed. This means you stand with your toes pointed slightly inward. Qigong is no exception. Standing with toes inward can put significant stress on the knees, leading over time to knee pain and loss of mobility. Instructor Jeffery points out that many modern tai chi and qigong schools have adjusted their postures to include less stressful foot positions.

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vaseadude

If the knee pain was caused by overstrain, shouldn't the pain be constant and not on and off for a few weeks?

This, and also the fact that it happened twice exactly 3-4 weeks after the cut, really makes me think it's the withdrawal.

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Skyler

After that I reinstated the exercises but I dropped the long standing practice in favor of some movements and for less time. And now I feel this pain in the knees that I described above again. So I stopped the new exercises as well yesterday, and today I still had the pain, and in the evening it became worse.

Sounds like you have an injury, so when you became active again it flared up. Injuries to ligaments can take several months to heal. Hope you feel better soon.. I guess if you stop the exercise and your knees once again feel better you will know.

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vaseadude

I guess I will stop anyway, even if its withdrawal. I dont think its a good idea to exercise when the knees hurt, either way...

 

If it's withdrawal is it supposed to go away faster than a few months? THat way I can know it's withdrawal... or how else can I know if I am injured or it's withdrawal? I am a little confused how to solve this mystery.

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Skyler

I guess I will stop anyway, even if its withdrawal. I dont think its a good idea to exercise when the knees hurt, either way...

 

If it's withdrawal is it supposed to go away faster than a few months? THat way I can know it's withdrawal... or how else can I know if I am injured or it's withdrawal? I am a little confused how to solve this mystery.

 

The odds are that it is not withdrawal.. from your description, it is acting like a ligament injury and it coincided with your exercise regimen. The problem with making an incorrect assumption is you could keep reinjuring your knee. I had an elbow injury from swinging a golf club and hitting the ground. I had just started on the golf course and was not very good so would hit the ground when missing the ball. My elbow started hurting.. I was like you and thought it should go away.. so I pushed it for a few weeks, nothing dramatic, but enough. I thought being careful was good enough. Well, it took eight months to heal because I did that.. so err on the side of caution. You may need to use extra care for awhile, as stresses that previously caused no problem may activate the injury. I hope you heal up soon.

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