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Thanks for doing a deep dive into my thread @Altostrata, i think i needed the reality check.  I've been keeping a daily tracker, but it's been all over the place since the compounding pharmacy generic attempt and since that has since been aborted, i consider those days to be mostly irrelevant at this point.

 

I'll begin dally symptom tracker notes as you mentioned starting today and I'll post them here for your review.  thank you again :)

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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August 4

 

830am - 9.2mg Prozac in distilled water solution with small amount of food then back to sleep.  I always take in an empty stomach, will eating with the dose be considered a change?

 

10am - wake up and shower, shave, etc.  feel ok ish, some restlessness sensation sort of in my arms maybe.  3g epa/dha.  100mg mag glycinate.  Probiotic.

 

11am - feel hypoglycemic, had to eat craved carbs.  Interesting note here, I don’t get hungry anymore, I just feel the need to eat usually as hypoglycemic feeling or weak or just realize I haven’t eaten.  Appetite isn’t great and food doesn’t have much taste/appeal.  Dry mouth when eating sometimes and I have to basically drink my food down with water, like a duck or something. Quack quack.

 

1130am - food helped the hypoglycemic feeling but it still lingers, would probably be good to get in front of that and eat on a schedule

 

Noon - hypo feeling still lingering.  20 minute JKZ sitting meditation

 

115pm - hypo feeling gone

 

3pm - tired.  Ate egg and raisin nut bran. 100mg magnesium 

 

4pm - still tired.  Mild nausea.  Right bicep muscle twitching a bit.

 

530 / Tired and nausea taper off into window.

 

730 - window holding

 

915 - some anxiety/fear/little paranoia sets in and some sound sensitivity

 

Anxiety comes and goes until sleep at 1am

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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August 5

 

815am - wake and take 9.2mg Prozac with protein shake and some milk

 

1030 - hypoglycemic feeling sets in and eat an egg and a bagel which helps. 3g fish oil, 100mg magnesium glycinate, probiotic

 

2pm - sort of in an out of anxiety and dr and some hypoglycemic feelings all day so far.  Micro windows peppered in.

 

230 - Very Irritable.

 

330 - 20 min JKZ sitting meditation

 

430 - took a quick dip in apt complex pool, things chilled out a little

 

6 - some DR and just out of it

 

630 - dinner, symptoms eased up again.

 

745 - flat but ok.  100mg magnesium glycinate

 

930 - intrusive then racing thoughts.  DR through the rest of night, just weirdness and discomfort.

 

1am - fall asleep

 

*9 days since reaction to compounding pharmacy liquid and 5 days since switch back to all brand name water solution.  Cleary destabilized, endless fun this is.

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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On 8/5/2022 at 10:57 AM, methuselah said:

11am - feel hypoglycemic

 

What does this mean? Do you generally "feel hypoglycemic" at 11 a.m.?

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Like my blood sugar is low, not like I’m going to pass out or anything.  But sorta shaky and like I need carbs desperately.  Not diabetic, I’m not overweight or anything I I assume not at risk for type 2.  It’s not a normal thing to happen, it didn’t happen today.  It’s clearly med related in some form or fashion.  I have a physical in a few weeks and will have docs run every test known to man on me, but don’t expect to come back pre-diabetic.

 

Perhaps hypoglycemic is too strong a term. It is uncomfortable and it just feels like I haven’t eaten in a long time and need carbs desperately.  My appetite has been bad lately so perhaps  my diet could be better.  

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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Aug 6

 

815 am - Prozac 9.2mg empty stomach

 

930am - roll out of bed in bad mood.  Almost like a hangover from last night’s DR and intrusive thoughts. Some body temp disregulation - hot cold hot cold

 

1030am - 530pm - forced a bike ride, pretty flat all day.  Significant Relationship stress as usual. Bicep starting twitching again.  Sorta tired and out of it today, but better than DR and feeling like going crazy

 

Rest of night was ok sleep at 1230am

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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Sorry, that's not enough detail in your daily notes. I need to see how you feel before and after each dose. You did not feel "hypoglycemic" on August 6?

 

Please do not use medical terms such as "hypoglycemic" to describe sensations that may not actually be hypoglycemia. It's more helpful to describe the sensation. Thanks.

 

To rule out actual hypoglycemia, we also need to know when you're eating.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

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51 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Sorry, that's not enough detail in your daily notes. I need to see how you feel before and after each dose. You did not feel "hypoglycemic" on August 6?

 

Please do not use medical terms such as "hypoglycemic" to describe sensations that may not actually be hypoglycemia. It's more helpful to describe the sensation. Thanks.

 

To rule out actual hypoglycemia, we also need to know when you're eating.


No apology required and thank you so much for taking the time to review my notes!

 

I’ll refrain from med term usage. No hypoglycemia feeling yesterday or today.  My diet has been somewhat healthy,  but calories pretty low some days 1500 cal for a 42 yr old male 5’ 10” and 170lbs , with a lot of those calories from vegan protein powders, smoothies, Milk, liquid things.   I don’t think that’s helping anything tbh.  Whole foods and more calories seem to make a positive difference and I need to do better with those, it’s just hard some days.

 

I’ll do better with my notes and provide more detail.  The challenge is that I take the med first thing upon waking so that doesn’t provide a lot of info pre medicine intake.

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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Aug 7

 

830am - wake and take Prozac 9.2mg then back to bed

 

930am - wake up, feel ok.

 

Ok through morning and early afternoon and semi productive at home.

 

4pm - start to get a little depressed followed by irritable and annoyed at situation of stuck on drugs etc.  inner critic coming out. Some DR but short lived

 

530pm - Irritability increases through this time.  Some significant personal stress from yesterday, virtually all day, probably aggravating things quite a bit but who can say for sure

 

630 / irritable eased up after dinner.  Took a bike ride with son that was good.

 

Rest of evening was ok, there was some DR, some tinnitus and head pressure before falling asleep at 1130pm

 

Aug 8

 

815am - wake and take Prozac.  Racing thoughts upon waking with some anxiety

 

930 - actually get up from bed.  Pretty depressed as girlfriend and I are maybe taking “a break”.  She can’t handle the situation anymore and it’s not really fair to her.  It’s difficult for all parties.  I’m functioning to a point, but at a pretty low level the last several weeks and that’s a hard pill for some folks to swallow especially when it’s going to be a long haul coming off this stuff.  I never seemed to stabilize on the 10mg Prozac and in fact prob just got worse as time passed so down is the only way.

 

1015 - momentary DR, things look fake.  There’s always a fog like sense, almost a layer of something, in my Vision which I consider dr as things always look sort of off if I think about it.  Sometimes it gets more intense so I notice it more.

Ate 650 cal breakfast with 3g fish oil, 100mg mag glycinate, probiotic

 

1030-1130 - feel ok, but limited motivation

 

12pm - zero motivation to work. Wondering if this is just who I am or a result of the meds or the potential breakup thing or a combo of all, most likely the latter two.  I know it’s not who I am historically but this just drags on and on and I’m making zero progress with dropping dose due to failed compounding transition.  I don’t feel good on the meds so why keep on sitting at the same dose to reach a stability that never comes!?

 

1230 - feeling depressed, took a 20 min walk.

 

130pm - becoming very irritable

 

230pm - irritability fades, feel sort of sped up now.  It’s not great.

 

330 - massive fight with gf.

 

415 - things cleared up a bit.

 

630 - ears ringing and head feels sorta stuffy.  Ate dinner

715 - things cleared into windowish

 

8-830 - bike ride with son, it was good and I felt sorta strong for this one.  Heart wasn’t racing, no low blood sugar type feeling

 

Rest of evening was fine, fell asleep at 1230am

 

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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It appears to me that your symptom pattern is a normal baseline.

 

You will need to eat regularly to avoid low blood sugar, or you'd be making your own problems. We can't help with that.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

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Aug 9

 

815am - Prozac 9.2mg.  Woke up feeling ok, tired and unmotivated as usual, but ok otherwise.

 

1030am - lack of motivation lifted.  Still feel ok.  breakfast with fish oil, magnesium, probiotic

 

11am - start to feel a little sped up almost.  Almost shakey but not quite, like on the verge of feeling wired but not quite there. Prozac is supposedly stimulating so maybe seeing some of that today.

 

Noon - still a little of that sped up feeling lingering but it’s lifting

 

1pm - lunch.  Bagel, whole fat yogurt, blueberries.  Feel ok but a little sped up after eating. Somewhat feels like having a bit much coffee.   

 

3pm - feel ok, mild sped up feeling hanging on

 

4pm - feel ok

 

5pm - dinner

 

630 - feel heavy and tired

 

730 - came out of the heavy/tired feeling, feel ok.  Quick Bike ride with son.

 

9 - feel ok, mild tinnitus

 

1130pm - fall asleep

 

August 10

 

730am - wake feeling sort of ok but I’m a bad mood as have to drive to office today.

 

8am - Prozac 9.2mg

 

930-1130am - annoyed, lots of people talking and it’s pretty agitating/irritating. Tired and low mood.  Forcing motivation. Ate breakfast at 10am

 

12pm - 3pm Felt better through this time

 

315pm - burning skin and some anxiety that sort of hit hard and fast.  Didn’t last long but feel rough with tinnitus and tired and some lingering anxiety and low mood.

 

5 - tinnitus, tired, low mood hanging in there

530 - head pressure feeling and some dizziness and blurry vision kicks in and tinnitus

 

630 - dinner.  dizziness still present but less intense.

 

Rest of evening pretty unpleasant, strange thoughts and strong DR.  Sleep at 11pm.  Perhaps all the stress from the last week has caught up today as I feel like I’m going crazy and hit by a truck at the same time.

 

Aug 11

 

815am - wake up and take 9.2mg Prozac.  Back to sleep.

 

930am - could not crawl out of bed until this time.  Zero motivation and body feels heavy, especially in shoulders.

 

1030am - slowly getting motivated.  ate breakfast.

 

Was more or less blah all day.  Some intrusive thoughts, some DR, some moments where it feels like my mind is running and I’m not in control of it, some sadness and self criticism.

 

5pm - 40 min bike ride with son, it was ok, sort of out of it during ride, but persevered. Very Humid outside

 

7pm- dinner.  Feel ok ish

 

8pm - 40 min JKZ meditation

 

Ok rest of evening.

 

 

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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Aug 12

 

815am - 9.20mg Prozac

 

930am  up and out of bed. Feel ok but not great.

 

11am -   Spacey and some DR and some intrusive thoughts.

 

Noon - ate a late breakfast as zero appetite. Cold and chills and tired after eating. Laid down and watched tv then take an hour nap.

 

230pm - up from nap.  Strong DR. Some mild burning skin sensation.  Zero motivation and couch bound.  Naps don’t seem to be an option for me anymore, while they are rare, I always wake up from them disheveled in some form or fashion.

 

315pm - finally forced it and rolled off the couch and went out to get a document notarized.

 

5pm - not feeling as awful as earlier

 

6pm - dinner and a bike ride after.  Low hum of fog and low mood

 

7pm - things cleared up a bit more.

 

830 - played the drums for the first time in a long time.  In an actual window.  I can’t help but wonder if the meds make me feel like sh1t all day.

  

In a strange, horrible way, I can see how antidepressants can cure anxiety, depression, etc.  you just have to be on them for an extended period of time, have at least 1 bad “doctor” prescribed taper, crash and burn, be destabilized, then deal with the fallout and then properly taper off which is also difficult and long and drawn out.  When an individual goes through the horror of withdrawal, they would gladly switch to the original condition for which they sought treatment in the first place as, at least in my case, while it was difficult, it is dwarfed in comparison by the severity of ssri withdrawal, paradoxical reactions, adverse events, etc. etc.

 

Asleep by 130am, had to take .5mg melatonin. Prob overdid it a bit in window but f it.

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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Aug 13

 

815 - small taper, need to keep going and feel progress even if it’s minuscule. 9.165 mg Prozac.  Wake up to take med then go back to sleep

 

10am - wake up.  Feel ok.

 

1030am - hot flash that causes some anxiety.  Dissipated rather quickly.  Breakfast

 

1230pm - feel ok through this time but start to feel tired and spacey with DR and irritability

 

1pm - start to get some semi intense intrusive thoughts.  Cut the grass to distract which is somewhat helpful

 

2pm - feel out of it and tired, wondering if having paradoxical reaction to Prozac. Same fng sh1t every fng day to some extent or the other.

 

230-4pm - drive to greenway then bike ride with son.  Ride was ok but mind not in it, cloudy, flat.

 

4pm - Mind racing with sort of inchoherent thoughts and also negative thought patterns.  Does it matter if the drug has gone paradoxical or if I’m suffering from taper withdrawl or still from failed compounding transition, I still need to get off the drug all the same.  It does matter in that holding won’t make anything better if it’s paradoxical or side effects.  Grrrrrrrrr!

 

430 - window

 

6pm - movie with son.  Not great at being in public places these days, feel sorta trapped or something.  Window ends, a current of anxiety through first half of movie then it calms a bit.

 

930 - restless arms, is that a thing.  It seems to happen to me here and there.  Ever since the compounding pharmacy debacle anyway.

 

20 min meditation

 

10pm - sorta windowish

 

130am sleep

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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August 15 - 9mg Prozac, drop of .165mg today, roughly 2% drop including yesterdays.  Will hold here for at least a week, prob two especially considering stressful personal issue with partner, or ex partner now I guess.  There have been multiple break ups but this is definitely the last one. 
 

The isolation and loneliness one feels when struggling with meds and tapering and the rest is really brutal.  No one understands except the people that have been through, that is an absolute inarguable fact.

 

i find myself spending a lot of time here reading through the various threads. I find solace in the recovery of people from their own personal abyss, and also solace in that many others have struggled like me and much worse and made it out better on the other side.  It’s just such a looooong haul.  I’m hopeful that the lower I get in the dose the better I will feel, but also realize I need to be patient and go slow.  Patience is not my strong suit.  

I long for the end of this and the day when I can begin anew and connect and care again and dream and feel.  

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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@methuselah it seems to me you are at a "withdrawal normal" baseline, nothing unusual is happening, and it's unnecessary for me to read your daily notes.

 

Please get your longstanding health anxiety in hand. Thank you.

 

On 10/11/2020 at 5:38 PM, methuselah said:

The most persistent w/d symptoms are anhedonia, depression, health anxiety, and obsessing over the same. 

 

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

All postings © copyrighted.

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1 minute ago, Altostrata said:

@methuselah it seems to me you are at a "withdrawal normal" baseline, nothing unusual is happening, and it's unnecessary for me to read your daily notes.

 

Please get your longstanding health anxiety in hand. Thank you.

 

 


thanks @Altostrata, I’ll stop the daily notes now.  I appreciate your time and realize it can better serve others in more need.  I appreciate you and the site and the mods and the folks here, it’s quite literally a real life saver.  Sincerely, M

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

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Hi @Altostrata  I hate to bother you but after a string of several decent days with a few blah but not horrible days peppered in-between, i've had several weird and rough days and a definite spike in symptoms including some burning skin, auditory/trippy hypervigilance and other strange auditory stuff, bouts of strong DR (feels like a bad acid trip), sort of a semi-persistent dream like state, increased depression, feel off in my mind and thoughts are just flowing strangely, horrible short term memory, increased obsessions about whether the symptoms are paradoxical reaction to med or just w/d, and on an on.  I obv understand the windows and waves pattern, i just want to make sure I'm doing my liquid taper correctly.  so, i can ensure my dose is steady and not contributing to the problem.

 

What i'm doing is taking 40ml of water, adding 4 10mg prozac capsules to the water in a med bottle with the cap stopper thing on and a lid, shaking it up and put it in the fridge.  Next morning I shake the bottle well, insert the plunger and extract say 9ml for 9mg of prozac.  I guess my concern is that if i'm putting 40mg into the solution, if it isn't mixed enough or the prozac doesn't hold up over the 4 days it's in the fridge, it's resulting in inconsistent dosing.  Am i just being paranoid here and is this a manifestation of the health anxiety you refer to in our last communication?

 

Thanks for any help and the sanity check i need.  I really try to be one of the folks that is helpful on the site and doesn't keep coming back pinging mods with questions, it just doesn't seem right that i've only decreased from 10mg to 8.9mg since late May 2022 and am having this rough a go, i've barely even dropped the dose, it's bananas!

 

PS - no new supplements, no booze, no changes otherwise.  Definitely some stress but i can't imagine stress would account for such a drastic symptom change.

 

PPS - last drop was from 9mg to 8.9mg on Aug 30, otherwise sig is up to date.

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

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I really do try to be strong through symptoms like many of the folks in here, e.g onmyway, shep, elbee, Alto, etc etc..., sometimes it's very difficult.  My therapist says i have a strong protector part that is always trying to problem solve and figure out whats wrong and how to resolve it, i guess that's what we're seeing in my posts like the one above.   Therapist also said, "just because I'm suffering doesn't mean i did something wrong".  wise words :)

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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The mix of Prozac and water should not degrade over 4 days.

 

How much of this is going on?

6 hours ago, methuselah said:

increased obsessions about whether the symptoms are paradoxical reaction to med or just w/d, and on an on

 

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 @AltostrataToo much probably.  It has faded today tho after this morning.  A new symptom that has popped up as of yesterday is a sort of intrusive paranoia.  It’s really no fun.  It’s not like someone is out to get me, just a weird thought pattern that is pretty scary.  It’s hard to put it into words.  Almost doom like, but more a fear my brain I’m going to lose it and my mind is being taken over sort of. 
 

i really don’t recall anything like this particular symptom ever happening before.  Perhaps the paranoia is reminiscent of when i trialed nortryptyline for a few days. I bailed on that drug quick.  Maybe it has happened, my short term memory is pretty bad so perhaps I’ve had it before.  Seems new.

 

i honestly have asked myself if tapering is this hard, maybe I should just speed it up and get it over with as slow doesn’t seem to be working for me.  It’s tough.

 

thougj I did have a beautiful window last night for like 2 hours.  Also, today hasn’t been horrible, just lazy and unmotivated with a low hum of symptoms in the background.  The paranoid thing did pop up a little bit ago for whatever reason and is hanging on a bit.

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

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You're working with a therapist on your health anxiety?

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That’s correct.  And I do realize the health anxiety isn’t helping my situation any.  Im generally ok with the physical symptoms but the mental ones are just madness given my turtle taper speed and that’s what really drives me to the brink. I try acceptance but it is challenging especially with new bizarre ones popping up out of nowhere, I guess that’s just the path I have to walk here, or more aptly crawl. 
 

But, what about the rest of these three most recent posts,  like the bizarre symptoms and taper speed? Should I just keep going or hold for a few weeks to see if things settle down.  I’m guessing the latter.  I was gonna do a modified brass monkey with 1.25% per week then bike for two as I’d like to get off these drugs this decade. Any thoughts are appreciated as always :)

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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Did you get your tendency to hypoglycemia sorted out?

 

8 hours ago, methuselah said:

increased obsessions about whether the symptoms are paradoxical reaction to med or just w/d,

 

In my amateur opinion, this does not sound like withdrawal. Please look into the extent that this is causing a symptom spiral. See Dealing With Emotional Spirals 

 

In the meantime, I would postpone further reductions, perhaps for 6 months, in case this is a legacy of earlier withdrawal syndrome.

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They hypoglycemia thing has completely gone away inexplicably.  
 

ok, I hear you as in the obsessions about paradoxical vs wd are prob not wd related but rather my own brain chasing it’s tail.  I get that.


When u mention the 6 month hold, god that’s a long time, potentially helping legacy earlier withdrawal syndrome…I’m with you.  But I’m not sure I understand.  What is the root of the legacy, u mean from some previous event but I’m not sure to which event/events you refer?
 

You keep addressing the health anxiety and the obsessive about paradoxical vs wd, but you Haven’t addressed this stuff below…is this the actual legacy withdrawal? The weird mental symptoms and the rest are driving the obsessive about the paradoxical bs wd.  I do realize I need to get that in check of course.

 

8 hours ago, methuselah said:

several weird and rough days and a definite spike in symptoms including some burning skin, auditory/trippy hypervigilance and other strange auditory stuff, bouts of strong DR (feels like a bad acid trip), sort of a semi-persistent dream like state, increased depression, feel off in my mind and thoughts are just flowing strangely, horrible short term memory


 

thanks!!!!!

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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I went back to the beginning of your topic -- when you started it, you were concerned about benzo withdrawal.

 

If anyone focuses on symptoms, they tend to magnify. My intuition is that is what's going on, but in case the symptoms you report are from a destabilized nervous system, I  suggest holding for a while to allow your system to stabilize or for you to have a better understanding of your symptom pattern. 

 

By the way, has it been very hot where you live?

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Ohhhhhhh…legacy benzo withdrawal,of course!  It has been a little over two years maybe 2 1/2 years since I stopped the benzo but I guess , ya, that could still be in play here.  Especially since my formerly irresponsible self drank for effect several times shortly after feeling better and Likely brought on protracted withdrawal.  Stupid, really stupid. Tough lesson learned.

 

And oh god yes I focus on the symptoms, it’s hard not to, but I’m definitely not helping myself.  I really Am trying hard and working on acceptance. I accept one thing, then a slew of new more disturbing things pop up.
 

I’ve been sorta pushing thru the taper as per our discussions 3-4 months ago it seemed like I was having an adverse reaction to the Prozac as anxiety and de realization were spiking after a 6 month hold.  I think holding to find a symptom pattern makes a lot of sense.  I’m not gonna lie to you, 6 month hold may not be doable as I’m motivated to be off, but I will do 1-2 months then do a little drop and try to figure out the pattern.  Rigjt now there is no discernible pattern and that does make it tricky for sure.

 

52 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

By the way, has it been very hot where you live?


ya, it’s been super hot here.  In fact, last weekend I went surfing on the coast Saturday and Sunday.  I didn’t really feel like doing it but I stretched myself to do it as I had my son and I just had to.  Sunday was a long session, in the sun, traffic, hot, it was rough - prob 4-5 hours all in with 3 hours in the sun.  I crashed pretty hard mentally and physically about an hour after it was all over as in almost literally passed out.  Closed my eyes and it felt like i was swaying in a boat or something, weird. Surely that has contributed to some of this insanity.  I can’t wait for late fall so ready for.  It still in the  high 80’s low 90’s here in September which stinks.  
 

Thank you so much @Altostrata, I know I say it every time, but it bears repeating…I really appreciate you, and the site and everyone else here too of course :)

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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18 hours ago, methuselah said:

ya, it’s been super hot here.  In fact, last weekend I went surfing on the coast Saturday and Sunday.  I didn’t really feel like doing it but I stretched myself to do it as I had my son and I just had to.  Sunday was a long session, in the sun, traffic, hot, it was rough - prob 4-5 hours all in with 3 hours in the sun.  I crashed pretty hard mentally and physically about an hour after it was all over as in almost literally passed out.  Closed my eyes and it felt like i was swaying in a boat or something, weird.

 

You can count on overdoing it to ramp up symptoms.

 

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On 5/21/2022 at 5:48 PM, Altostrata said:

This pattern indicates that 10mg Prozac may be causing the symptoms as it is absorbed. It's very possible this is too high a dose for you. You might try a 10% reduction, keeping daily notes to see how your symptom pattern changes.

 


I’ll keep the activity limited, I knew I screwed up that day with overdoing it but didn’t realize the ramifications would be so severe in intensity and duration.

 

I really hate to bother you again @Altostrataand this really is my last request of you, for awhile 😇, but I’m struggling to reconcile the hold vs, as you commented above, the likelihood of the adverse effect of potentially too high a dose. What is the logic behind a hold now if there is in fact an adverse reaction, is it just that the wd symptoms have become more severe than the side effects?  My guess is that I’m down to 8.9mg, which is a lower dose than 10mg, at this point.  So see how I feel there for a minute and it’s just this tightrope walk of balancing side effects of the med and the withdrawal symptoms.  
 

Sincerely thank you,

 

M

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

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Because of the confounding factors such as your overdoing it in intense heat, we cannot determine what is causing your wave of symptoms. You may be sensitive to heat as well. The safest course is to hold on dosage to let your nervous system settle down and establish a baseline symptom pattern.

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But, my pshychiatrist told me i should increase my prozac dose to 80mg and add depakote and abilify to alleviate the symptoms so i'm gonna try that instead...I kid I kid, a little humor never hurts.  I'll hold the dose.  

 

Thanks again :)

 

 

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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Bad reaction to 1, yes, count em, 1 drop of "concentrace" (this is 1/40 of the standard dose and 1/10 the starting dose).  I was just trying to add some minerals to my diet as my appetite has been so bad lately! Perhaps it's a coincidence, but after ingesting i felt a lil drugged then racing thoughts slowly crept in and then i had a pretty trippy panic attack at about 1230 am after waking from 30 minutes of sleep.  Barely slept all night, racing thoughts, cold sweats, burning skin, and insomnia which are al pretty unusual for me.  Today felt quite agitated (very uncomfortable and unsettled just sitting still, didn't feel need to pace) with racing thoughts.  I guess I'm that sensitive and i will, mark my words, never try another supplement again save fish oil and magnesium.  Unreal.  I NEED TO STOP TINKERING!!!!  It has only harmed, never helped.  

 

https://www.traceminerals.com/product/concentrace-trace-mineral-drop

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

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@Altostrata @Onmyway @Shep @JanCarolhey, sorry to bother everyone. So i've been having a ROUGH time since i tried that concentrace supplement the other day.  I took 1 drop, one time, which is 1/40 of the recommended dose and 1/10 of the starting dose. It's just a mineral complex but does have a very small amount of lithium orotate or carbonate in it.  Is it possible that i reacted this severely to such a small, tiny, exploratory dose of something?  I guess it's possible, but is it likely?  Or, could the drops i've made in prozac just be catching up with you me and i'm just this sensitive to the med?  i know there is no absolute answer here, just looking for something, i need some reassurance this will get better as i'm struggling mightily here.  I woke up at 6am today with this awful mental feeling, it was like obssesive anxious depression but beyond depression all wrapped into one, it was terrifying.  it lasted like a minute or two, and i was able to fall back to sleep, but i'm reeling from it, as well as the other night when i barely slept and was cold/shakey/sweating/anxious/etc. 

 

Again, i'll never try another supplement outside of fish oil and magnesium.  i recently purchased a biotuner, but i'm afraid of using it and i likely will not.  

 

thanks for any thoughts/feedback.  i'm so sorry to reach out, i just don't know what to do with myself.  i can't work, i can't do much of anything except lay on the couch in misery at this point.  This is the worst i've felt through the whole taper i think.  i walked yesterday and took a short easy bike ride but damn, i feel bad all day with some significant dips in my feelings throughout. 

 

It feels like i'm never going to get off of these meds, it feels like i'm making no progress and getting nowhere, worse, it feels like i'm going backwards.

 

Everyone in my life is telling me i need to do something to fix myself and my issues, my boss, my parents, my x girlfriend, everyone.  It's maddening.  so i tried a drop of concentrace, it just couldn't be, couldn't be.

 

PS - sig is up to date and no other changes, no other supps, no drugs, alcohol, nothing different at all.  

 

I HATE THIS!!!!!!

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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Hi there methuselah,

I thought I'd pop in, as I am still a Trace Concentrate user.  Initially, my hopes with it were to keep my electrolyte balance in good shape with it, and also hoped the itty bitty Lithium Chloride in it would help quell some of the uglies of early WD for me.  I'm slowly going down with it and have hopes of eventually coming off.  Doing okay with liver and kidney functions......PTL.

Here's what I wrote a while back about it, in a topic about the Li orotate:

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/7040-lithium-orotate/?do=findComment&comment=367181

 

I'd support sticking with the magnesium and omega3's only for you, for now.  And yes, stop tinkering, while trying as much non drug-coping as possible.  Get into that.......how's your meditation coming, mindfulness, daily walks, good diet, etc?  Eat methuselah......that's important, if you have to, eat like a baby would.......baby food in jars is really good stuff......and or blender concotions.

Know that feelings, thoughts.......they come and go........invite them in......kindly.....don't make them too at home however.  Perhaps stay put with that 8.9 mg Prozac for a full 4 to 6 weeks.  If you overdo in the hot sunshine.......use water, or gatoraide, pedialyte........to restore fluids lost.

 

Non-drug techniques for coping

Tips to help sleep

 

Yah....yah could have been that you are really hypersensitive to the Trace stuff.  Let it be a good lesson for yourself.

I didn't go too far back in your topic, so I don't know if I missed something.  Do let us know in updates what helps with what symptoms you are experiencing now in the way of WD now. 

 

Okay, my 2 cents.

 

Love, peace, healing, and growth,

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Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16 medication free!!

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Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.  And.....I quit smoking 11/2021. Lapsed.  Redo of quit smoking 9/28/2022.  Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)💜

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Hi @manymoretodays

 

Thank you so much for chiming in.

 

my non drug coping techniques include meditate daily.  Therapy twice a week, mostly IFS stuff with a therapist that has gone thru ssri and benzo withdrawal himself which is very helpful. I walk 30 minutes almost daily, I ride my bike sometimes, I stay active as I can Without overdoing it as I’ve been there and seen the consequences.  Not a lot helping with this current new set of issues, it’s pretty brutal.  
 

I eat some but I am losing weight.  I drink my food if I have to, protein shakes with liquid egg whites, mass gainer drinks.  Other things I eat are almonds, eggs, chicken, veggies, fruit,etc, etc.  I’m probably eating around 1200-1500 calories daily so it not a lot, but not a little either.  I’m 5’9” 165 lbs now, down from 170. 

 

These last few days of suffering have just come out of nowhere and it’s hard to attribute it to anything other than the one, single drop of concentrace.  Perhaps it’s just the previous cuts have caught up with me. I really haven’t a clue as I’ve gone VERY slow With my taper.  

 

Like u said, I’ll let this be a lesson and won’t touch another supplement.  I’m just looking for some help with symptoms and I thought being cautious like that I’d be fine.  Again, it’s hard to say what’s what. 

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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23 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Please do not tag me for discussion of your supplements.


My bad and my apologies. 

1997-2006 - Prozac 20mg

2006-2015 - Lexapro 15mg, Klonopin .5mg PRN

2015 - Paxil | 2016 - Remeron 30mg | Mar 2017 - Lexapro 7.5mg, Kpin .5mg |July 2017 - Pristiq 50mg, Kpin 1mg

Oct 2017 - Celexa 20mg, Kpin .5mg | Feb 2018 - celexa 20mg, Kpin to Valium 7.5mg 

April 2018 - rapid taper of Celexa and Valium leading to crash

May 2018 -  Aug  2019 - Fluoxetine 15 mg, Valium 3.5mg

Aug 2019 -April 2020 - Micro liquid taper off 3.5mg valium end April 6 2020. Liquid Fluoxetine 12mg per day

May 2020 - Nov 2021 -   liquid fluoxetine 12mg per day.

Dec 2021 Direct switch from 12mg generic liquid fluoxetine to 10mg Prozac Capsule | May 24 2022 - 9.5mg | July 1 9.2mg | Aug 14 9.0mg | Aug 30 8.9mg | Dec 1 8.8mg

*Zero alcohol since July 2020.  Supplement include 3000 mg Fish oil, 1000mg Vit C.  100mcg B12

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