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FarmGirlWorks

This week, depression became more visible with a spate of celebrity suicides. Today, Deborah Messing started a hashtag #MyStory on Twitter where people admit to their battle(s) with depression. I saw lots of "antidepressants saved my life." Not surprising and the first reaction from a lot of folks who are still in shock. I feel that depression/anxiety is so much more complex than simplistic ADs and that they are the wrong "medicine" for the illness. Glad however that this issue has a spotlight on it.

  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis ūüė© July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." ‚Äď Damien Echols

 

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Yes, I used to think Celexa saved my life.  I really did.  I had no idea I could feel so much worse than I felt when I started taking it.  I suppose without the means to get any real help, anti-depressants are very tempting.  They are just like alcohol.  Imagine if a doctor said have a drink everyday, and at the next appointment he said, It's not working anymore?  Then you need two drinks a day.  After several visits, the patient is drinking too much and going downhill.  The doctor tells him to switch to cocaine.  That continues for a while and then the doctor prescribes heroin.  That's the way doctors are prescribing ADs, ADHD drugs and benzos now.  

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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FarmGirlWorks

That is a perfect analogy!

  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis ūüė© July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." ‚Äď Damien Echols

 

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manymoretodays

This:  https://beyondmeds.com/2018/06/09/suicide-crime/

.......and my own commentary B)  In my area work is ongoing to get mental health teams out on suicide calls to reduce the trauma(CIT officers may be involved on the team, I don't know).  Improvement, in any case, and possibly diversion from the usual treatment.

........and also this..........

(Shared from a blogger)  Here is his site.  https://robwipond.com/archives/1783

 

I saw this information released today from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, showing that suicide rates have been increasing in virtually all U.S. states since 1999. It‚Äôs getting a lot of news coverage accompanied by a lot of bluster and self-promoting from mental health professionals that more people need to get into psychiatric treatment. So I was interested to see how this trend (provided in a nation-wide format by the National Institute of Mental Health) mapped onto trends in antidepressant use over the same time frame. Below is what it looks like in a graph. (Note that the antidepressant use numbers from the CDC come in four-year blocks, so I filled in the intervening years in each case ‚ÄĒ the overall trend is clear.)

Of course, this only shows correlation, not causation. Still, it‚Äôs fairly compelling evidence that, at the least, antidepressants are not preventing suicides. Also worth considering is the fact that, in 2014, a highly dubious scientific article mapped antidepressant use onto a questionable surrogate marker for suicide rates in youth and showed the opposite correlation over a selected two-year period ‚ÄĒ and it got extensive global media coverage and launched calls from psychiatrists for the FDA to remove the suicide warnings from antidepressants. So we should hear even louder calls now to boost those warnings on antidepressants, right?

 

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commentary, additional link

Started with psycho meds circa 1988 I think 27 or 28 total.

AD's, antpsychotics, antiseizure mood stabilizers. Lithium, lamictal ,benzos, and stimulants. Some med. for narcolepsy once(Provigil,) Gabapentin........probably more.  Ask me?......I probably was on it.  Haphazard W/D's by Dr. recommend or uneducated self.

10/2014- off Lexapro--had been on highest dose 10 mg. then 5 mg. for a couple of years, went from 5 mg. to 3 mg. liquid and then CT in hospital(voluntary).  I got out of the hospital on a combination of low dose adderal salts x1/day and trileptal 150mg. x2/day.

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!

 

3/21/2016---I did some unwise updosing of trileptal/oxcarbazepine with some stressful stuff......doubled the above dose x2 during this last wave but began liquifying again and on approximately 68mg. starting today.  11/12//2016 24 mg. oxcarbazepine  12/9/2016 off oxcarbazepine/trileptal!!!! :) optimistic  2016 December 9- completely off all medications!!!!!

Omega3's,EPA +DHA= 1800 mg/day. Magnesium complex, orally, diluted in a liter of H2O(that I can shake up.....it usually dissolves more completely as the water gets down to room temperature) and/or Epsom salt baths prn.   Vit. C, D3, and E.  B12, melatonin tapered to 1mg., and bioidentical hormones sublingually.  Trace mineral drops.  L-lysine.  L-methylfolate=400 mcg plus daily spinach. Totally ready for a good long window to hit soon and getting better strings of full days and partial days along the way.  Definite improvement overall since I first arrived on the SA survivor ship.  Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.  None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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FarmGirlWorks
3 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

Still, it’s fairly compelling evidence that, at the least, antidepressants are not preventing suicides.

Thank you, thank you, @manymoretodays... this is exactly what I suspected, just nice to see data around it. I did read the beyondmeds article and thought that was spot on. I am convincing a friend to not start ADs and I know seeing Michael Pollan got her over the fence but this kind of hard data should completely tip her over to no antidepressants.

  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017, quit coffee October 2017, quit cannabis ūüė© July 2018
  • Magnesium powder, fish oil, estradiol, kombucha, gluten/dairy/histamine-lite
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini practice

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." ‚Äď Damien Echols

 

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manymoretodays

Good.  Good.

Love, peace, healing/inrecovery, and growth baby!

mmt

Started with psycho meds circa 1988 I think 27 or 28 total.

AD's, antpsychotics, antiseizure mood stabilizers. Lithium, lamictal ,benzos, and stimulants. Some med. for narcolepsy once(Provigil,) Gabapentin........probably more.  Ask me?......I probably was on it.  Haphazard W/D's by Dr. recommend or uneducated self.

10/2014- off Lexapro--had been on highest dose 10 mg. then 5 mg. for a couple of years, went from 5 mg. to 3 mg. liquid and then CT in hospital(voluntary).  I got out of the hospital on a combination of low dose adderal salts x1/day and trileptal 150mg. x2/day.

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!

 

3/21/2016---I did some unwise updosing of trileptal/oxcarbazepine with some stressful stuff......doubled the above dose x2 during this last wave but began liquifying again and on approximately 68mg. starting today.  11/12//2016 24 mg. oxcarbazepine  12/9/2016 off oxcarbazepine/trileptal!!!! :) optimistic  2016 December 9- completely off all medications!!!!!

Omega3's,EPA +DHA= 1800 mg/day. Magnesium complex, orally, diluted in a liter of H2O(that I can shake up.....it usually dissolves more completely as the water gets down to room temperature) and/or Epsom salt baths prn.   Vit. C, D3, and E.  B12, melatonin tapered to 1mg., and bioidentical hormones sublingually.  Trace mineral drops.  L-lysine.  L-methylfolate=400 mcg plus daily spinach. Totally ready for a good long window to hit soon and getting better strings of full days and partial days along the way.  Definite improvement overall since I first arrived on the SA survivor ship.  Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.  None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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FarmGirlWorks and Manymoretodays,

What an interesting chart! In the SSRI study I posted here yesterday,  I get into the issue of suicidal depression. Briefly, the otolaryngologist Guy Berard (e-acute) discovered that his suicidally depressed patients had a particular pattern or profile on their audiograms, usually in the left ear but occasionally in the right ear. The oddity was two "peaks" of hyperacusis at 2 and 8 kiloHertz with a trough of less sensitive hearing between those peaks. (I think the trough may be as significant as the peaks, in terms of energy loss to the brain.) When he treated them with his adaptation of the Tomatis Method, which actually had a stronger left-ear stimulating component than the original Tomatis program, the peaks flattened out, the trough lifted, and the suicidal tendencies disappeared. He had phenomenal success: 97.7 % of his 235 suicidal patients were healed, 90% of them within the standard 10 days of treatment. A few had to come back for one or two more courses of treatment. One committed suicide early in treatment and two who were examined but did not return for treatment took their own lives. As you will see from my study, I think antidepressants and many other types of drugs (and various other things) that cause depression do so by harming the ear(s). That's not the only part of the body those drugs harm, of course; but a surprising number of symptoms arise from ear damage alone. In terms of diagnosis, I found it interesting that vestibular symptoms (dizziness, vertigo, balance problems) seem to be a stronger indicator of suicidal tendencies than cochlear symptoms. The fact that almost everyone he treated recovered suggests that people with the same symptoms from medication damage might also benefit from using Focused Listening on the left ear or binaural listening to high-frequency music. If the person can get an audiogram, this is one of a few really clear diagnoses that can be made simply from the audiogram, although we are not yet sure why particular points of hyperacusis indicate very specific problems. He pinned down the profiles for mild and moderate depression, for certain allergies, and for aggression. I am sure from my own research that the range of right-ear "mental" problems I have seen cured with music must also have specific profiles because they, too, fall on a continuum of right-ear function. But I haven't been in a position to get enough audiograms to prove yet what those profiles look like. As I mentioned to FarmGirlWorks, balance problems from ear damage that is not reversible can be treated by shifting the sensory mechanism to the tongue, as Norman Doidge describes in The Brain that Changes Itself. He showed the video of the woman he writes about at a conference I attended and it was astonishing. The plasticity of the brain allows it to transfer the wiring it used to have in relation to the ear to a different organ: the tongue, in this case.

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Hello Manymoretodays,

 

That graph is remarkable and also very worrying as the overall trend is continually upwards. My wife works as a nurse in a school in the UK and she has several children who have recently been prescribed AD medication, in spite of the known risks of increased suicidality in younger people.

 

Please share your graph far and wide!

 

Cheers

 

Caspur

2011 - started Venlafaxine (again) at 75mg Raised to 150 mg at some point - unsure of dates. Reduced back down to 75 mg. Doctor advised this would be a lifetime, maintenance dose

2017 - Side effects now intolerable. started taper from June 15th - 5% dose reduction steps (two 12 hourly doses).

2017 - October 20th - took last does of Venlafaxine - 4 mg. Debilitating symptoms followed.

2017/18 - diazepam - 8mg/day for 1 month - 7 week taper Feb 2018

2017/18 - duloxetine - max 90mg - now stopped

2018 - Feb 25mg quetiapine, increased to 50mg.

2018 - March/April - increased venlafaxine slowly (10mg steps) to 75 mg/day. Recovery from withdrawal followed.

2018 - July 13 - stopped quetiapine after 2 month taper. Late July - had to reinstate quetiapine due to intolerable withdrawal. Now tapering from 25mg

2019 - June - stopped quetiapine after 10 month taper. Mild insomnia only symptom.

2020 - Oct  - venlafaxine 15.4 mg.

 

Taper history details

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