RusTW: Seroquel CT then reinstated

[RusTW]

Didn't sleep bad fog anxiety OCD bad headache.

[RusTW]

Is there anyone that was only on the psych meds for only a year or a little more.

[Altostrata]

We have quite a few people here who were not on psychiatric drugs a long time.

 

Many people do better with fish oil and magnesium supplements, see http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/
http://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/15483-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/

 

A lot of people find them helpful. Try a little bit of one at a time to see how it affects you.

 

Also see Important topics about symptoms, including sleep problems, there may be simple things you can do to improve your sleep.

[RusTW]

5 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

We have quite a few people here who were not on psychiatric drugs a long time.

 

Many people do better with fish oil and magnesium supplements, see http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/
http://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/15483-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/

 

A lot of people find them helpful. Try a little bit of one at a time to see how it affects you.

 

Also see Important topics about symptoms, including sleep problems, there may be simple things you can do to improve your sleep.

Thanks Alto I'm going to try those supplements today I'm going to go pick up some at GNC I think I'm still not stabilized yet at my doses I'm holding at.Its strange.I recently had a 5 day window My longest window was 11 days about a month-and-a-half ago. Is that a good sign three months out from my cold turkey and reinstatement. Do windows usually happen that soon after a CT . I haven't had the nausea in a while now it was the predominant symptom to start with but now it's mostly in my head like brain fog headache cognition problems and anxiety is worse. I just feel racing and Confused. During my last window I had a lot of clarity remembering past emotions and past experiences being more empathetic but then I just went into the dumps again with this wave. I appreciate your input

[Altostrata]

Trader Joe's is a better source than GNC. They have good melatonin, too.

 

It's very typical that withdrawal symptoms fade and change. See The Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilization 

[Rosetta]

HI, Rus,

 

It is truly horrendous the number of ways the nervous system's destabilization can affect us.  I've had all the aches and pains you mention off and on, and I still have some now, but it is definitely improving.  It seems to improve for everyone even if they are tapering.  I know it's very hard to wait for improvement.

 

 I think Alto is on to something with the stretching and movement, but please know it's not automatic as it was before WD.  You really have to keep at it, and avoid positions that aggravate the condition.  This can mean spending less time at the computer, on your phone, etc..

 

What to do with your mind when your life is limited by WD is the big question.  I think that's why guided meditations are recommended so often on SA.  It's something to do, but you are not staring at a screen.  For me, switching from the iPad or computer to TV makes a difference.  My eyes are not happy with computer screens, and I suspect that I tense my whole body while using my iPad.  The TV is at last 8 feet away, and my posture is very different when I watch it.  Then, I also have to remember to get up and move around.  

[RusTW]

6 minutes ago, Rosetta said:

HI, Rus,

 

It is truly horrendous the number of ways the nervous system's destabilization can affect us.  I've had all the aches and pains you mention off and on, and I still have some now, but it is definitely improving.  It seems to improve for everyone even if they are tapering.  I know it's very hard to wait for improvement.

 

 I think Alto is on to something with the stretching and movement, but please know it's not automatic as it was before WD.  You really have to keep at it, and avoid positions that aggravate the condition.  This can mean spending less time at the computer, on your phone, etc..

 

What to do with your mind when your life is limited by WD is the big question.  I think that's why guided meditations are recommended so often on SA.  It's something to do, but you are not staring at a screen.  For me, switching from the iPad or computer to TV makes a difference.  My eyes are not happy with computer screens, and I suspect that I tense my whole body while using my iPad.  The TV is at last 8 feet away, and my posture is very different when I watch it.  Then, I also have to remember to get up and move around.  

HI Rosetta I'm gonna get a referral for physical therapist.I do stretch.It feels like my joints are locked.Your right about screens.At work I have to monitors I watch.Plus outside activities.This anxiety is strong.I feel confused agitated intrusive thinking.

[RusTW]

58 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Trader Joe's is a better source than GNC. They have good melatonin, too.

 

It's very typical that withdrawal symptoms fade and change. See The Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilization 

Thanks Alto- I will go to Traders Joes instead.

[RusTW]

 the weird thing about the anxiety that I have it's just sitting in there so if I pause and try to figure out what I'm going to do next it amps it up so it's some of its chemical and some of its thought it seems like the more I keep myself busy the less it hits me or the intensity is less. The problem with staying busy all the time working out walking staying busy at home plus a job I run the risk of over tiring myself and then if I don't sleep that night I'm going to be screwed the next morning and then it just continues the build-up

[Rosetta]

40 minutes ago, RusTW said:

This anxiety is strong.I feel confused agitated intrusive thinking.

 

I know.  It's just awful.  Anxiety isn't really the best word. It's not strong enough.  I try to walk it off, and sometimes, that seems to work.  If I miss a day of walking, I usually don't feel as relaxed in the evening as I would have.  But during the day, the anxiety is what it is for that day.  I'm really sad that you have to go through this, Rus.

[Rosetta]

3 minutes ago, RusTW said:

 the weird thing about the anxiety that I have it's just sitting in there so if I pause and try to figure out what I'm going to do next it amps it up so it's some of its chemical and some of its thought it seems like the more I keep myself busy the less it hits me or the intensity is less. The problem with staying busy all the time working out walking staying busy at home plus a job I run the risk of over tiring myself and then if I don't sleep that night I'm going to be screwed the next morning and then it just continues the build-up

 

A very good description of the conundrum.  I am beginning to wonder if we can "do too much" accidentally.  Aside from vigorous exercise which raises cortisol, I think being out has been much better for me than "resting."  I simply cannot rest, and even when my body and mind seem to be screaming for me to slow down, sitting or lying down does nothing to help during the day.   I believe the Akathisia is wearing us out even if we are sitting still.  When the Akathisia is bad, if I keep the walking down to an hour a day, I don't see much difference in how I feel.  It's just torture, but all Ican do is wait for it to pass and hope I don't yell at anyone.

[Carmie]

13 minutes ago, RusTW said:

 the weird thing about the anxiety that I have it's just sitting in there so if I pause and try to figure out what I'm going to do next it amps it up so it's some of its chemical and some of its thought it seems like the more I keep myself busy the less it hits me or the intensity is less. The problem with staying busy all the time working out walking staying busy at home plus a job I run the risk of over tiring myself and then if I don't sleep that night I'm going to be screwed the next morning and then it just continues the build-up

 Hi Rus, 

 

This certainly is a conundrum, trying to find this balance. Do u have any hobbies that you can do that don’t take up too much energy. I enjoy crocheting, doing arts n crafts etc. I find when waves are severe I crochet non stop to help cope with that chemical anxiety. It keeps me sane. 

 

I love photography  too so I take lots of photos. Editing them is also something that gets me through withdrawals. I’ve spent many hours doing this. 

 

Im not really a digital games person but the one game that I spent many, many hours on was Words With Friends, it’s like scrabble. It’s gotten me through many a wave too. 

 

Dont overdo it with exercise as it ramps ramps up your CNS n can make your symptoms worse. 

 

Hope you find something to distract yourself, sending hugs 🤗

[RusTW]

7 minutes ago, Rosetta said:

 

A very good description of the conundrum.  I am beginning to wonder if we can "do too much" accidentally.  Aside from vigorous exercise which raises cortisol, I think being out has been much better for me than "resting."  I simply cannot rest, and even when my body and mind seem to be screaming for me to slow down, sitting or lying down does nothing to help during the day.   I believe the Akathisia is wearing us out even if we are sitting still.  When the Akathisia is bad, if I keep the walking down to an hour a day, I don't see much difference in how I feel.  It's just torture, but all Ican do is wait for it to pass and hope I don't yell at anyone.

Lol yell at anyone I feel that way too sometimes. Rosetta I think that we have the same problem as far as how our bodies and mind are working right now .  Some of the things that you're describing sometimes about how you feel I can relate. I feel bad because I got frustrated with my mom today and just kept quiet about the withdrawals she thinks it's all in my head. This kind of frustration builds up in me and I do feel pretty irritated which makes everything else worse. The agitation  is coming from the withdrawals so I know that. I hope that we could feel more at peace about this. I think I'm just in a heavier wave this time I don't know the last one was pretty bad too it just had nausea instead of the anxiety

[RusTW]

14 minutes ago, Carmie said:

 Hi Rus, 

 

This certainly is a conundrum, trying to find this balance. Do u have any hobbies that you can do that don’t take up too much energy. I enjoy crocheting, doing arts n crafts etc. I find when waves are severe I crochet non stop to help cope with that chemical anxiety. It keeps me sane. 

 

I love photography  too so I take lots of photos. Editing them is also something that gets me through withdrawals. I’ve spent many hours doing this. 

 

Im not really a digital games person but the one game that I spent many, many hours on was Words With Friends, it’s like scrabble. It’s gotten me through many a wave too. 

 

Dont overdo it with exercise as it ramps ramps up your CNS n can make your symptoms worse. 

 

Hope you find something to distract yourself, sending hugs 🤗

 

14 minutes ago, Carmie said:

 Hi Rus, 

 

This certainly is a conundrum, trying to find this balance. Do u have any hobbies that you can do that don’t take up too much energy. I enjoy crocheting, doing arts n crafts etc. I find when waves are severe I crochet non stop to help cope with that chemical anxiety. It keeps me sane. 

 

I love photography  too so I take lots of photos. Editing them is also something that gets me through withdrawals. I’ve spent many hours doing this. 

 

Im not really a digital games person but the one game that I spent many, many hours on was Words With Friends, it’s like scrabble. It’s gotten me through many a wave too. 

 

Dont overdo it with exercise as it ramps ramps up your CNS n can make your symptoms worse. 

 

Hope you find something to distract yourself, sending hugs 🤗

 

15 minutes ago, Carmie said:

 Hi Rus, 

 

This certainly is a conundrum, trying to find this balance. Do u have any hobbies that you can do that don’t take up too much energy. I enjoy crocheting, doing arts n crafts etc. I find when waves are severe I crochet non stop to help cope with that chemical anxiety. It keeps me sane. 

 

I love photography  too so I take lots of photos. Editing them is also something that gets me through withdrawals. I’ve spent many hours doing this. 

 

Im not really a digital games person but the one game that I spent many, many hours on was Words With Friends, it’s like scrabble. It’s gotten me through many a wave too. 

 

Dont overdo it with exercise as it ramps ramps up your CNS n can make your symptoms worse. 

 

Hope you find something to distract yourself, sending hugs 🤗

Hi Carmie I do enjoy oil painting and drawing. Me and my mom were just talking about me getting back into it again she was just painting at home and she told me to just forget about the withdrawals and start painting again LOL she doesn't believe in antipsychotic or antidepressant withdrawals. We got into a debate on who has the worst anxiety she thinks mine is thought driven and I was trying to explain to her that it's chemicals it's just hitting me. The reason why exercise so much is to keep my mind busy. My downtime is the worst when I have to go home so I try to avoid that. Thanks for the advice though I'm going to try to find something to do in my down time when I'm not exercising to keep my mind busy that's where my problem is. When I go to work is usually when I get my window at night from about 8 p.m. to about 12 a.m. unless I'm in a really bad wave

[Carmie]

2 minutes ago, RusTW said:

 

 

Hi Carmie I do enjoy oil painting and drawing. Me and my mom were just talking about me getting back into it again she was just painting at home and she told me to just forget about the withdrawals and start painting again LOL she doesn't believe in antipsychotic or antidepressant withdrawals. We got into a debate on who has the worst anxiety she thinks mine is thought driven and I was trying to explain to her that it's chemicals it's just hitting me. The reason why exercise so much is to keep my mind busy. My downtime is the worst when I have to go home so I try to avoid that. Thanks for the advice though I'm going to try to find something to do in my down time when I'm not exercising to keep my mind busy that's where my problem is. When I go to work is usually when I get my window at night from about 8 p.m. to about 12 a.m. unless I'm in a really bad wave

 

 

Doing some painting sounds like fun Rus, 

 

I do a bit a painting here n there too.  You said your downtime is worse when you get home. Is that because you don’t do much when you’re at home to distract yourself from withdrawals? Time to get out those paint brushes😀🖌🖌

 

It’s hard when people around you don’t understand how severe withdrawals are, but them understanding or not doesn’t make any difference in our recovery. It helps to have support but if you don’t have it you will eventually recover anyway. 

 

It’s the same if we don’t have support from doctors. All we really need them to do is to give us our script n then we do the tapering. My doctor is good in that I tell him all about what I do with my tapering n he’s fine about it. He knows nothing about withdrawals though, but that doesn’t matter, as long as he keeps giving me my script. I crush the tablet n do water titration, though this next script is a compounded script.

 

Take care Rus💚

[RusTW]

All of this seems so overwhelming today that I'm on 50 mg of Seroquel which could take years to reduce 50 mg of Zoloft which could take years to reduce being that you can't reduce them both at the same time so this all seems pretty daunting and that's not including all the crappy side effects and withdrawal symptoms that I have now

[RusTW]

2 minutes ago, Carmie said:

 

 

Doing some painting sounds like fun Rus, 

 

I do a bit a painting here n there too.  You said your downtime is worse when you get home. Is that because you don’t do much when you’re at home to distract yourself from withdrawals? Time to get out those paint brushes😀🖌🖌

 

It’s hard when people around you don’t understand how severe withdrawals are, but them understanding or not doesn’t make any difference in our recovery. It helps to have support but if you don’t have it you will eventually recover anyway. 

 

It’s the same if we don’t have support from doctors. All we really need them to do is to give us our script n then we do the tapering. My doctor is good in that I tell him all about what I do with my tapering n he’s fine about it. He knows nothing about withdrawals though, but that doesn’t matter, as long as he keeps giving me my script. I crush the tablet n do water titration, though this next script is a compounded script.

 

Take care Rus💚

Thanks Carmie your right we will heal anyway.This wave is so intense.I will occupy my downtime. I didn't sleep last night so I think that's why I feel so bad today

[Altostrata]

4 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Also see Important topics about symptoms, including sleep problems, there may be simple things you can do to improve your sleep.

 

We recommend gentle exercise that does not raise cortisol, such as walking, rather than vigorous exercise. You may wish to shut off all lights at 9 p.m. to wind down for the evening.

[RusTW]

29 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

 

We recommend gentle exercise that does not raise cortisol, such as walking, rather than vigorous exercise. You may wish to shut off all lights at 9 p.m. to wind down for the evening.

 Thanks Alto how many milligrams of melatonin should I start with I hear if you take too much and get tweaked out. I'm going to try to chill out a little bit on the exercising. The downfall with my sleep time is I don't get off of work until 10:30 so I usually go to bed at about 11 1130 so I only have that window until the sun comes up. Thanks for your help today Alto

[Altostrata]

Read Important topics about symptoms, including sleep problems.

 

When we give you links, please read them. They contain important information.

 

If you work at night, you could exercise during the day. That probably wouldn't interfere with your sleep.

[RusTW]

22 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Read Important topics about symptoms, including sleep problems.

 

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If you work at night, you could exercise during the day. That probably wouldn't interfere with your sleep.

 

Just now, RusTW said:

22 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Read Important topics about symptoms, including sleep problems.

 

When we give you links, please read them. They contain important information.

 

If you work at night, you could exercise during the day. That probably wouldn't interfere with your sleep.

Alto  would I be able to take my Zoloft 50 mg in the morning because it's activating instead of taking it around 2 in the afternoon do you think that might be affecting me at night or would I get withdrawal symptoms from the change

[Rabe]

Hi Rus,

Sorry you are having such a wavy wave!!!  The stretching has helped me a lot...and the trying to get moving.  I have found that the pain in one place (joint or muscle) is often related to tightness in another joint or muscle...for me a big offender if the L thigh and it affects my hips and back etc.  Kind of gently stretch and see where the problem seem to be and slowly and gently stretch twice a day...I found that to be helpful.  Take care!  Thinking about you!!!

[Rabe]

Im with you on the anxiety....ICK ICK ICKY ICK!!!!😡

[RusTW]

16 minutes ago, Rabe said:

Im with you on the anxiety....ICK ICK ICKY ICK!!!!😡

Sorry u got it too.With the fog its bad.I didn't sleep last night much.got this freakin headache also.geez I can't wait for a window for us.

[RusTW]

18 minutes ago, Rabe said:

Hi Rus,

Sorry you are having such a wavy wave!!!  The stretching has helped me a lot...and the trying to get moving.  I have found that the pain in one place (joint or muscle) is often related to tightness in another joint or muscle...for me a big offender if the L thigh and it affects my hips and back etc.  Kind of gently stretch and see where the problem seem to be and slowly and gently stretch twice a day...I found that to be helpful.  Take care!  Thinking about you!!!

I'm stretching now lol

[Altostrata]

30 minutes ago, RusTW said:

 

Alto  would I be able to take my Zoloft 50 mg in the morning because it's activating instead of taking it around 2 in the afternoon do you think that might be affecting me at night or would I get withdrawal symptoms from the change

 

Why do you want to change it? What is your daily symptom pattern? Please keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. Use a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom, drug and dosage) on the right.

 

Please do not make any drug changes until we can review your symptom pattern.

 

[RusTW]

1 minute ago, Altostrata said:

 

Why do you want to change it? What is your daily symptom pattern? Please keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. Use a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom, drug and dosage) on the right.

 

Please do not make any drug changes until we can review your symptom pattern.

 

Ok will keep on taking it the same time.I was only thinking if I take it in the morning by night I won't be amped up.haven't yet .I still take it at 2 ish pm. Thanks Alto

[RusTW]

Thank you everyone for the support.I will do my best to be of help also.Lately i feel like a turtle without his shell in the midst of summer.My symptoms keep changing on me.Very confusing and frustrating as you all know.i get a super clean window and wham  into the fog and anxiety .i do feel blessed to have windows. im just learning to swim in the storm waves after a sunny calm time when i can only see storm clouds during the waves. 

[Rabe]

Hi Rus, yes the headaches can be pretty nasty as well...I get headaches but also I have such HOT headaches...like its on fire....and my stomach and all as well.  Sorry you are dealing with all this as well but also know we will be ok...day at a time!!  

[RusTW]

15 hours ago, RusTW said:

Ok will keep on taking it the same time.I was only thinking if I take it in the morning by night I won't be amped up.haven't yet .I still take it at 2 ish pm. Thanks Alto

Alto I didn't sleep I'm getting worse the anxiety is so bad with me all the time. Unbearable.would it be ok to take a dose of seroquel today .I need to sleep.it would be a extra dose.I take it at night.it didn't help last night.this is so bad .I feel like I can't take it.I have to work this afternoon.I'm scared

[Rabe]

Hi Rus,

I have days like this....and they bring on fear and the fear becomes a spiral.  Can you take a warm bath?  Would a short walk help?  Have you tried the 4/7/8 breathing?  A meditation?  Can you try anything do you think to distract from the feelings?

[RusTW]

I will try Rabe this is bad.

[RusTW]

36 minutes ago, Rabe said:

Hi Rus,

I have days like this....and they bring on fear and the fear becomes a spiral.  Can you take a warm bath?  Would a short walk help?  Have you tried the 4/7/8 breathing?  A meditation?  Can you try anything do you think to distract from the feelings?

The insomnia has me worried I'm gonna go into psychosis if it keeps up.everything is getting worse.

[RusTW]

@brassmonkey would it b ok to do a dose of seroquel in the day today.I take it at night but didn't sleep last night.bad shape today.would that extra dose hurt me

[RusTW]

Now I'm worried this insomnia and anxiety is going to turn into a full on psychosis

[jonnypeters1234567]

If you get psychosis it will be fleeting russ, no symptoms stick around for more than a few mins Id say, its hard to realise that in the moment