RusTW: Seroquel CT then reinstated

[Rosetta]

I'm glad to see you are seeing improvements, Rus!  The ability to listen to music is a good one!  -Rosetta

[RusTW]

7 minutes ago, Rosetta said:

I'm glad to see you are seeing improvements, Rus!  The ability to listen to music is a good one!  -Rosetta

 I was just looking into your thread Rosetta when you wrote this. I'm so happy you're seeing improvements now. After everything you've gone through you deserve it. I'm hoping it continues for you. We will still get waves as this dissipates but it seems like they're not as strong as they used to be and they don't last as long.

Good job at putting up a good fight

Russ

[Carmie]

Hi Rus, 

 

I’m so glad to hear you’re getting lots of windows, and your waves aren’t as long. That’s wonderful! 

 

Yes, music certainly helps when going through withdrawals too. I’m a major music freak, I go to lots of concerts. I’m glad music helps you too. The last concert I went to was Keith Urban, he was very entertaining and a great guitarist. Okay, what shall I listen to today?🎼😀

 

Hope you have a good day, sending hugs 🤗

[RusTW]

On 2/23/2019 at 2:31 PM, Carmie said:

Hi Rus, 

 

I’m so glad to hear you’re getting lots of windows, and your waves aren’t as long. That’s wonderful! 

 

Yes, music certainly helps when going through withdrawals too. I’m a major music freak, I go to lots of concerts. I’m glad music helps you too. The last concert I went to was Keith Urban, he was very entertaining and a great guitarist. Okay, what shall I listen to today?🎼😀

 

Hope you have a good day, sending hugs 🤗

Hi Carmie.Ive always loved music.Right now lots of music and oil painting.im painting the merkaba now.a ode to sacred geometry. 

Hope your taper is going good.

Russ

[RusTW]

Alto  I have a question regarding sleeping in the daytime. Prior to withdrawals I had this problem during the day that if I tried that nap just as I would start to fall asleep it would feel like I was choking or trying to catch my breath. There's also a neurological element to it to where my head snaps to one side or forward as I'm falling asleep.

As far as I remember this started happening as I was taking Ativan 1mg. As I was tapering the Ativan it also happened to me at night.

Now it feels like my alerting system is calming down and I'm sleeping better at night. There's one problem though now it feels like I'm able to nap but that old problem is coming back just as I start to fall asleep I jerk or have a weird dream or breathes funny and I wake up immediately. Would you happen to know what's causing this.

I've had 2 sleep studies done came back negative. I've been cleared by a pulmonary doctor and a heart doctor and not reflux so I know it's not a medical issue.

Thanks

[Altostrata]

Those are paradoxical reactions to the relaxation of sleep. Your nervous system wakes you because it's afraid you're losing consciousness. Try this:

Music for self-care: Calms hyperalertness, anxiety, aids relaxation and sleep

 

Weighted blankets & bed tents for restlessness, akathisia, insomnia, and anxiety

[RusTW]

I will try this-Thanks Alto

[Rosetta]

HI Rus, 

Sorry to hear you are having the napping problem so many of us have.  Eventually it goes.  I don't have the ability to fall asleep in the day, but when I do that awful jolt awake doesn't happen to me as it did before.  I had to focus on getting enough sleep at night by going to bed really early.  I hope everything else is better?  Hang in there!

Rosetta

[RusTW]

4 minutes ago, Rosetta said:

HI Rus, 

Sorry to hear you are having the napping problem so many of us have.  Eventually it goes.  I don't have the ability to fall asleep in the day, but when I do that awful jolt awake doesn't happen to me as it did before.  I had to focus on getting enough sleep at night by going to bed really early.  I hope everything else is better?  Hang in there!

Rosetta

Hi Rosetta I know you used to call them toxic naps. I'm getting so close to being able to take a nap. I'm not sure if I'm actually falling asleep for periods of time or just randomly dreaming but I'm getting very close and the shock feeling that wakes me up it's just irritating. I am doing a lot better sleep wise getting anywhere from 5 to 9 hours. I used to love to take naps. Thanks for stopping by

Russ

[Rosetta]

That's wonderful that your sleep is better.  Really good news.

[RusTW]

4 hours ago, Rosetta said:

That's wonderful that your sleep is better.  Really good news.

Good it is Rosetta. I'm getting a wave now though.these darn waves are so weird. I had a 2 day window Monday and Tuesday. Almost no symptoms. 

I get windows more often but still get waved out pretty good.

Feb was good low symptoms 

[Rosetta]

That's good to hear.  I hope it continues to improve that way.  To have low or no symptoms!  How wonderful.

[RusTW]

Hi Rosetta thanks I feel blessed to get them.i have changed diet and thinking so much.im in a wave now nothing like the past.

I keep thinking it almost over then it returns.hope it's gone asap.on my good days I think about everyone going thru this.i wish I could give them my good days. So much heartache going through this.Very enlightening though.ill never be the same just a new improved me.

Hats off to those who recover and especially the ones who come back to help us.

Much Love to those like yourself who take the time to help while suffering too.

Some real people on here.

This alone gives me hope

Bless ya Russ

[Rabe]

I Rus...heartening to hear you are having longer windows..that is so nice.  I do hope one opens again soon for you!  Take care!💜

[RusTW]

38 minutes ago, Rabe said:

I Rus...heartening to hear you are having longer windows..that is so nice.  I do hope one opens again soon for you!  Take care!💜

Hi Rabe I hope its fading.This is so arduous and unpredictable. I've learned how to live in the moment better.prob why I got on meds not living in the moment. Mostly I've gotten over my health anxiety due to WD.The weird thing is the GI stuff.WD causes strange body symptoms. 

Glad to have found you all here.saved my ass bigtime.

Stay positive Rabe 

 Russ

[RusTW]

Alto I'm at my 9 month mark since my cold turkey and reinstatement. In the beginning my waves were pretty solid for most of the day lasting days to weeks. In around December I started getting it intermittent waves that would last two or three days and then two or three days of Windows .In February I had very low waves very low symptoms and now I'm starting to get on and off waves again intermittently that can be pretty intense with changing symptoms. I've only read a few posts where people have had this.

Do you know anything about this.Is this what happens when you're close to the end of withdrawal. My last question is is it possible to stabilize while tapering.Ive had a lot of clear windows

Thanks Russ

[ChessieCat]

Check out the different essays which BrassMonkey has written.  I've bolded the most relevant posts.

 

On 5/22/2018 at 5:03 AM, brassmonkey said:

• How Long Is Withdrawal Going to Take? (this post - see below)
• How Long, the Bottom Line
• Indirect Factors That Influence ADWD
• Is It Really Withdrawal?
• Stability
• But I only took it for a Week
• Tachyphylaxis or As It’s Lovingly Known “Poopout”
• CT and Fast Tapers
• Reinstatement
• Drug Interactions
• WDnormal (withdrawal normal)
• It doesn’t end at “0”
• Things to do Along the Way
• So, When Will We Get There?

[RusTW]

26 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

Check out the different essays which BrassMonkey has written.  I've bolded the most relevant posts.

 

Thanks Chess appreciate that.

[manny03]

22 hours ago, RusTW said:

The weird thing is the GI stuff.WD causes strange body symptoms. 

 

Thanks for coming to my thread. And you're so right. W/D causes some scary body symptoms. 

[RusTW]

14 minutes ago, manny03 said:

 

Thanks for coming to my thread. And you're so right. W/D causes some scary body symptoms. 

Manny I had that weird throat and stomach tension too.I think its wd for sure .end of dec-feb I had bad gut issues. I had a endoscopy. Mild inflammation in esophageal area.thats it.it felt like I was dying.now it's coming  back again.

my windows got better after last bout though.I'm having same problems like you.I might try a low histamine diet.didnt know avocado and spinach are high in histamine.I was very nauseated my first 3-4months after CT.The gut is definitely your 2nd brain.I feel it.

 

 

[manny03]

20 minutes ago, RusTW said:

Manny I had that weird throat and stomach tension too.I think its wd for sure .end of dec-feb I had bad gut issues. I had a endoscopy. Mild inflammation in esophageal area.thats it.it felt like I was dying.now it's coming  back again.

my windows got better after last bout though.I'm having same problems like you.I might try a low histamine diet.didnt know avocado and spinach are high in histamine.I was very nauseated my first 3-4months after CT.The gut is definitely your 2nd brain.I feel it.

 

 

 

 In my case, I began to feel weird heart burn sensation in June 2017 with weird electrical sensations on the upper right quadrant. Though, that went away. That was my first indicator that my med was failing me. Then, it got worse in May 2018 when I had the same issue though with many others including getting violent with my parents. In June I had a shingles outbreak due to excessive stress. That's when I knew my med had pooped on me. Then, I asked for help from my psych and he didn't' care. So, I C/T the med for a week to take the antivirals. Though, after that week, when I reinstated, the withdrawals had begun. July 14 I took my final dose. Every since its being hell. Like you, I only had nausea as my G.I. symptom until late August when I had burning sensation in the pit of the stomach with the aches, though it would go away. Then it would continue to happen every two weeks. Though, it lost its strength. Though, in late November is when I developed the stomach cramps/ weird tension sensations when I eat or burp. Once in the blue moon I still get nauseous, the other moments I could have second or third helpings. If I had some stomach cancer, I wouldn't be doing that lol! I had breath tests done to see if I had H. Plyori. nothing. Abdominal ultrasounds nothing. I only need endoscopy/colonoscopy to do. Though, knowing these symptoms began post C/T I know it has to be the W/Ds. The only thing psych was good for was to verify what you mentioned. The gut is the second brain since most of our serotonin lies in our gut. So, our case, cut the med, and hell breaks loose.   

[RusTW]

48 minutes ago, manny03 said:

 

 In my case, I began to feel weird heart burn sensation in June 2017 with weird electrical sensations on the upper right quadrant. Though, that went away. That was my first indicator that my med was failing me. Then, it got worse in May 2018 when I had the same issue though with many others including getting violent with my parents. In June I had a shingles outbreak due to excessive stress. That's when I knew my med had pooped on me. Then, I asked for help from my psych and he didn't' care. So, I C/T the med for a week to take the antivirals. Though, after that week, when I reinstated, the withdrawals had begun. July 14 I took my final dose. Every since its being hell. Like you, I only had nausea as my G.I. symptom until late August when I had burning sensation in the pit of the stomach with the aches, though it would go away. Then it would continue to happen every two weeks. Though, it lost its strength. Though, in late November is when I developed the stomach cramps/ weird tension sensations when I eat or burp. Once in the blue moon I still get nauseous, the other moments I could have second or third helpings. If I had some stomach cancer, I wouldn't be doing that lol! I had breath tests done to see if I had H. Plyori. nothing. Abdominal ultrasounds nothing. I only need endoscopy/colonoscopy to do. Though, knowing these symptoms began post C/T I know it has to be the W/Ds. The only thing psych was good for was to verify what you mentioned. The gut is the second brain since most of our serotonin lies in our gut. So, our case, cut the med, and hell breaks loose.   

Manny this sounds familiar. I thought I had cancer in jan2017 my whole GI sestym crashed.i had every test done.only a few polyps non cancer and inflammation. 

My problem got worse when I took the pills for anxiety and insomnia in early 2017. Either way I was in a bind.The health anxiety just got worse because what I know now was physical side effects from the drugs.

The positive is that I'm getting more windows since the beginning of January. The waves have been mostly light but sometimes intense morphing symptoms which freaks me out after a window.

 

[manny03]

2 minutes ago, RusTW said:

Manny this sounds familiar. I thought I had cancer in jan2017 my whole GI sestym crashed.i had every test done.only a few polyps non cancer and inflammation. 

My problem got worse when I took the pills for anxiety and insomnia in early 2017. Either way I was in a bind.The health anxiety just got worse because what I know now was physical side effects from the drugs.

The positive is that I'm getting more windows since the beginning of January. The waves have been mostly light but sometimes intense morphing symptoms which freaks me out after a window.

 

 

The funny thing, I had a nice one month window between September and October. That's when I thought, oh nice...I think were almost done with the withdrawals. Then, enter November, that's when the symptoms began to morph on me (mainly headaches, pressure, blurry vision to GI symptoms). I wasn't worried at first, then once it hit late November. I freaked out. 

 

In late November, I went to work for one day. I decided not to go back since I was hired as a scanner, not a box mover. I was mad that in the last minute, they changed the spot I was working for.  My pops got sick. He passed his flu on me. I took some off the counter cough med, and that was the catalyst for the hell I'm going through at the moment 

 

One lowly pill screwed up whatever process I had already gone through since July 2018.  

 

Before taking my med in late 2015, my GI was in a total freak out, cramps, constipation, mucus etc, then add the psychological (anxiety, ocd, depression), I was in hell. I was thinking I had some terminal cancer. Then, once I started on the med, it took almost a year when I finally came out of it, and mental and physical symptoms had stopped. I thought, damn I'm back to normal. Though, man I was in for a rude awakening. 

 

This latest wave was due to my mother losing her job. Since I was noticing some improvement. I had gain six hours of sleep since I stopped having long sleeps since 2012 I would sleep for 4hrs tops. I just hope when I get my latest window, its my final, and not the morphing to something else. ekk! 

[RusTW]

10 hours ago, manny03 said:

 

The funny thing, I had a nice one month window between September and October. That's when I thought, oh nice...I think were almost done with the withdrawals. Then, enter November, that's when the symptoms began to morph on me (mainly headaches, pressure, blurry vision to GI symptoms). I wasn't worried at first, then once it hit late November. I freaked out. 

 

In late November, I went to work for one day. I decided not to go back since I was hired as a scanner, not a box mover. I was mad that in the last minute, they changed the spot I was working for.  My pops got sick. He passed his flu on me. I took some off the counter cough med, and that was the catalyst for the hell I'm going through at the moment 

 

One lowly pill screwed up whatever process I had already gone through since July 2018.  

 

Before taking my med in late 2015, my GI was in a total freak out, cramps, constipation, mucus etc, then add the psychological (anxiety, ocd, depression), I was in hell. I was thinking I had some terminal cancer. Then, once I started on the med, it took almost a year when I finally came out of it, and mental and physical symptoms had stopped. I thought, damn I'm back to normal. Though, man I was in for a rude awakening. 

 

This latest wave was due to my mother losing her job. Since I was noticing some improvement. I had gain six hours of sleep since I stopped having long sleeps since 2012 I would sleep for 4hrs tops. I just hope when I get my latest window, its my final, and not the morphing to something else. ekk! 

Manny I'm getting the headaches also now with morphing symptoms. I had February that was low symptoms low waves and now everything's coming back again.

[manny03]

40 minutes ago, RusTW said:

Manny I'm getting the headaches also now with morphing symptoms. I had February that was low symptoms low waves and now everything's coming back again.

Unfortunately it's a pattern for us who C/T I know a chap who took the same med as me and he's doing fine, though he was well counseled by his Dr how to taper off. Sadly, were in it for the long run. 

[RusTW]

13 minutes ago, manny03 said:

Unfortunately it's a pattern for us who C/T I know a chap who took the same med as me and he's doing fine, though he was well counseled by his Dr how to taper off. Sadly, were in it for the long run. 

Do you feel like you've made improvements since CT

[manny03]

11 minutes ago, RusTW said:

Do you feel like you've made improvements since CT

 

I have. I'm somewhat more social than when I was at the beginning of the withdrawal or when I had entered the SSRI Poop Out stage. I had rather scary symptoms in the last four months that I was taking my med. I had constant chest pains, constant headaches, heartburn with electrical charges, get verbally violent at my dad, throw things at him, blame my mom for things that weren't her fault, raise my voice on them in public, blurred vision, get agitated, get weird chills, felt that I was losing my strength since I felt no longer I was able to grip things tightly, hand tremors. From these symptoms looking back, it was obvious that my med was causing harm to my body hence the shingles outbreak. As soon as I C/T the med, most of these symptoms went away within three weeks, though were replaced with the usual withdrawal symptoms. 

 

Now, I feel 'better' though the G.I. symptoms, skin breakouts, blurred vision, head tremors, or having the vertigo feeling once in a blue moom is what's keeping me from saying I'm out of these withdrawals. 

[RusTW]

2 minutes ago, manny03 said:

 

I have. I'm somewhat more social than when I was at the beginning of the withdrawal or when I had entered the SSRI Poop Out stage. I had rather scary symptoms in the last four months that I was taking my med. I had constant chest pains, constant headaches, heartburn with electrical charges, get verbally violent at my dad, throw things at him, blame my mom for things that weren't her fault, raise my voice on them in public, blurred vision, get agitated, get weird chills, felt that I was losing my strength since I felt no longer I was able to grip things tightly, hand tremors. From these symptoms looking back, it was obvious that my med was causing harm to my body hence the shingles outbreak. As soon as I C/T the med, most of these symptoms went away within three weeks, though were replaced with the usual withdrawal symptoms. 

 

Now, I feel 'better' though the G.I. symptoms, skin breakouts, blurred vision, head tremors, or having the vertigo feeling once in a blue moom is what's keeping me from saying I'm out of these withdrawals. 

That's good you are improving. It's a very slow process. 

Before I cold Turkey I had some family tension also.I had to move out of my moms due to too much stress.Very sad time.we have to forget that.it wasn't us.

Now 

I fell better than 3 months ago but the unpredictable waves throw me now.

Read jubbachub success story.another ct recovered in 6 months.

[manny03]

2 minutes ago, RusTW said:

That's good you are improving. It's a very slow process. 

Before I cold Turkey I had some family tension also.I had to move out of my moms due to too much stress.Very sad time.we have to forget that.it wasn't us.

Now 

I fell better than 3 months ago but the unpredictable waves throw me now.

Read jubbachub success story.another ct recovered in 6 months.

 

I"m eight months into my W/D, so its going to take a while with me. Though, like this moment that I'm writing to you, it feels like a micro window, though the symptoms come and go. 

 

I just hope this wave that crashed on me in late November goes away, since I was almost out of it. 

[RusTW]

I'm 9 months out.

I like that.A micro window.

I get those too.it feels like your normal- Wd combined. It means a window is coming.thats how it goes for me.

[manny03]

3 minutes ago, RusTW said:

I'm 9 months out.

I like that.A micro window.

I get those too.it feels like your normal- Wd combined. It means a window is coming.thats how it goes for me.

 

Last week before the bad news, I had several micro windows which made me believe well it seems finally seeing some improvement. Though, the bad news triggered my nervous system. So, that still needs some fixing. 

[RusTW]

8 minutes ago, manny03 said:

 

Last week before the bad news, I had several micro windows which made me believe well it seems finally seeing some improvement. Though, the bad news triggered my nervous system. So, that still needs some fixing. 

How's your sleep.do u get anxiety?

[manny03]

10 minutes ago, RusTW said:

How's your sleep.do u get anxiety?

 

Ever since 2012, I had horrible sleeping schedule since I was going to my four year university. I didn't live in campus, so I commuted everyday which ruined my sleep cycle. I live 30 miles from LA were the school that I went to. So I would always wake up at 3:30am. Its been like that ever since, hence I could suspect could be one of the reasons I developed my anxiety disorder. 

 

The last six months when I took my med, I would always wake up at 2am with chest pains or head aches. Or one time that I woke up at 3am and ran out of the house due to having severe anxiety. It was hellish. Then, once I entered withdrawals it was the same, though worse. Wake up at 2am with brain waves, zaps, or head pressure. Though, when the symptoms morphed, now it was my gut waking me up at 2am with aches or burning sensation in the pit of my stomach, or I needing to poo. Though, I began to drink chamomile teas in the last month which it seems to had calmed my nervous system since I was now waking up at 4am. Then, last week, I was waking up at 4:50am. So, there had been great improvements. Though, my mom losing her job, just threw whatever improvement I had gained down the crapper.  I just hope I regain those hours again soon. 

[RusTW]

20 minutes ago, manny03 said:

 

Ever since 2012, I had horrible sleeping schedule since I was going to my four year university. I didn't live in campus, so I commuted everyday which ruined my sleep cycle. I live 30 miles from LA were the school that I went to. So I would always wake up at 3:30am. Its been like that ever since, hence I could suspect could be one of the reasons I developed my anxiety disorder. 

 

The last six months when I took my med, I would always wake up at 2am with chest pains or head aches. Or one time that I woke up at 3am and ran out of the house due to having severe anxiety. It was hellish. Then, once I entered withdrawals it was the same, though worse. Wake up at 2am with brain waves, zaps, or head pressure. Though, when the symptoms morphed, now it was my gut waking me up at 2am with aches or burning sensation in the pit of my stomach, or I needing to poo. Though, I began to drink chamomile teas in the last month which it seems to had calmed my nervous system since I was now waking up at 4am. Then, last week, I was waking up at 4:50am. So, there had been great improvements. Though, my mom losing her job, just threw whatever improvement I had gained down the crapper.  I just hope I regain those hours again soon. 

Manny I was always an early riser myself. When I started getting the health anxiety about the GI issues in 2017 anxiety developed that's when my sleep went down the crapper. That's when they prescribed me Ativan 1 mg ever since then my sleep has been off. I haven't been able to take naps for quite some time now

Sorry your mom lost her job. Financial stress can add to your withdrawals.

Hopefully during your next window you'll see more improvements in your sleep. Over the last few months my sleep is improved. Still can't take a nap in the day but I felt close a few times. Can you take a nap?

I see you live in Southern California I was a Angelino-Venice for 22 years. I live in Northern Nevada now close to my mom. I lost my pops in summer of 2016 that fall I started to develop the physical gut symptoms I think due to the loss of my pops.

[Rosetta]

Thanks for your note, Rus.  I hope you get a big window soon. -Rosetta

[RusTW]

2 minutes ago, Rosetta said:

Thanks for your note, Rus.  I hope you get a big window soon. -Rosetta

Me too.Hope your day is good Rosetta.