Rick213: Valdoxan

[Rick213]

Hi my name is rick I was on 25 mg valdoxan 5 months on my 3rd month I whent half and quit after 2 months of doing that now I been off 3 months and having adrenaline vividness panic can anybody help me ? 

[ChessieCat]

Hi Rick and welcome to SA,

 

To get you started, please create your drug signature.  Dates, ALL drugs, doses - no symptoms or diagnoses.

 

I'm not familiar with Valdoxan.  This is SA's topic:  https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/10456-tapering-valdoxan-agomelatine/

 

Some of the other mods may have knowledge about this drug.  I'll let them know that you are needing assistance.

 

There are many existing topics on the site.  You can either use the site search function or a search engine, adding survivingantidepressants.org to your search term.

 

This is your own Intro topic where you can ask questions about your own situation and journal your progress.

 

[Rick213]

Thank you yeah this is a new drug and hope someone can help me on what to expect 

[ChessieCat]

Sorry I forgot to provide the link:  Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature

[Rick213]

Thank you

[ChessieCat]

Just checking that you have provided your full drug history.  So no prior psychiatric drug use?

[Rick213]

Yes 

[ChessieCat]

Please add dates.

 

25mg valdoxan 5 months quit c turkey 4 months ago 

[Rick213]

Should I add it

[ChessieCat]

Add what?

[Rick213]

I added it already the meds u used before

[ChessieCat]

Please add the dates for the gabapentin and valporate magnesium (please include brand name for easier recognition of this drug).  Because we are making suggestions about things which can affect your health and wellbeing we need to have all the information and it be as accurate as possible.  Thank you.

[Rick213]

There the same I took them at the same time

[ChessieCat]

valporate magnesium (please include brand name for easier recognition of this drug)

 

If you tapered the other drugs please include the doses and dates of the reductions.

 

If you didn't taper and went off the doses in your signature, please add CT (= cold turkey)

 

The moderators need to be able to glance at your drug signature and see your history.  It means that we don't have to waste time reading through members' topics trying to get the information we need.

 

Please update it whenever you make a change.

 

Thanks

[ChessieCat]

Gabapentin 600 valporate magnesium 200. April 15 2017 to Aug 15 2017

Zoloft 50mg from April 15 2017to Aug 15 2017 

 

You could very well be experiencing withdrawal symptoms from going of the above drugs too quickly and then reducing the Valdoxan too fast on top of that.

[Rick213]

I had waves and windows for 5 months bad intense waves that stoped and was doing good for 5 months and then I quit the valdoxan 4 months ago and I'm getting hit with symptoms I never experienced when I got off the other drugs

[Rick213]

Cheesie cat can you find out if the high adrenaline I'm feeling now is valdoxan withdraw

[manymoretodays]

Hi Rick,

I'm only a little bit familiar with the Valdoxan due to a brief interaction with this member:

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/11404-ripvanwinkle/?tab=comments#comment-210501

 

He reported he was doing great one year off.  It's a bit unclear whether he continued off of Cymbalta.  However, you could attempt to PM him or leave another note on his thread.  I got the impression that he was able to use a lot of non-drug coping which helped.  Take a look anyway.

 

I think that it's a bit unclear for any of us to know for sure whether your current  high adrenaline is directly related to just the ValdoxanW/D, or a reemergence of W/D from your other medications that you discontinued.   There is no direct test.   If they have just started.....and from your description above...I think we can likely attribute them to your more recent W/D from Valdoxan.  In any case, like many of us off psychotropic medication, your nervous system is in a state of healing from the dependencies created from psychotropic medication.  And reorganization. 

 

When you were on the Valdoxan were you feeling any W/D type symptoms from your other medication discontinuations?

Are your symptoms mainly in the morning or throughout the day?  You might try to keep a bit of a log for us: 

 

You could consider using some of the non drug coping skills to deal with cortisol surges:

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/17471-waking-with-panic-or-anxiety-managing-cortisol-spikes/

 

As well as introducing one at a time either omega 3's or magnesium:

King of supplements: Omega-3 fatty acids (fish oil)

Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker

(try to at least get an idea from the first several posts in each of these)

 

Look around in our symptoms and self care section and hopefully you can find some other coping that is doable for you as well.

 

Do you have any Valdoxan left?  I don't know that we have many who have tried reinstating Valdoxan, yet that might be something you could consider as well.  And there is some information on this in the link that ChessieCat gave you.   With the A/D's we typically have members reinstate at a much lower dose than what they had gone off of.........you'll see when you read through this link:

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/7562-about-reinstating-and-stabilizing-to-reduce-withdrawal-symptoms/

(again read carefully through the first couple of posts there........that may help you decide yourself whether you might be a good candidate for this)

It looks like you have been off it completely for 4 months now.

 

Okay......all for now.

Love, peace, healing/inrecovery, and growth,

mmt

 

 

 

 

[Rick213]

Thank you well I had withdraw from the others meds wich I didn't 100 percent heal but my symptoms peaked month 4 and 5 from c turkey I was doing fine the past 5 months and I quit this drug 4 months ago I started having symptoms 3 weeks ago so idk what's going on I never felt extreme adrenaline before 

[Rick213]

I know I metabolize psych meds bad I need to go get a test done

[manymoretodays]

What kind of test though?

And do you have any Valdoxan left?  Or the means to get some more at this point.

It's a different medication from the other A/D's........yet.......it sounds like it may have actually helped offset some of your other W/D's.  That's why I ask.

 

Do look and try some non drug coping too if possible Rick.

 

Thanks,

Love, peace, healing/recovery, and growth....

 

mmt

 

[Rick213]

No I dont have any yes I'm trying my best 

[Rick213]

A test to see if I metabolize psych meds because I had alot of problems 10 months ago getting of zoloft i was only on it 4 months and had alot of side effects 

[Altostrata]

Hello, Rick.

 

Do you have any valdoxan left?

 

Cold turkey is a high-risk way to go off drugs, now you know why. Please do not do this ever again, it could be even worse.

[Rick213]

Altostrata no I don't i whent half the dosage and waited 2 months before I jumped off 4 months ago 

[Rick213]

My doctor promise no withdraw he lied

[Rick213]

Is there any other drug that is similar mechanism like valdoxan that's an antagonist to dopamine and noranaldrine

[fuerza]

I'm gonna answer to this thread. You asked about my symptoms going off. Unfortunately, I have no idea. I reduced Valdoxan after a very short taper from Effexor XR which was a huge mistake. I had crazy bad waves, but I made a very reckless decision too. You said that the other CTs didn't affect you as much. It's possible that the other CTs are catching up with you.

Also, have you gotten you liver tested? It's almost mandatory to get liver tests when you take Valdoxan as it can damage the liver. How's your diet and do you exercise? I personally can't have any sugar, coffee or too much gluten, and I also don't tolerate exercise. An interesting side effect after reducing Valdoxan is that my craving for cigarettes increases. I know smoking is bad, especially when taking psych drugs, but I'm waiting 'til the end of my Valium taper to quit to maintain steady blood levels.

[Rick213]

Fuerza I did have withdraw for 5 months the first meds I quit 

 

 

Now I'm getting withdraw from valdoxan 

[Rick213]

What where your waves like ?

[fuerza]

3 hours ago, Rick213 said:

What where your waves like ?

Depersonalisation, 24/7 terror (more so with benzos), anhedonia, dystonia, akathisia, paranoia, muscle cramps, tingling, cog fog, memory problems, balance issues, agitation, insomnia.

Withdrawal can come and go in waves and may take well over 5 months. I'm not saying it's the case for you, but it's often reported with both ADs and benzos. Again, have you gotten your liver tested?

[fuerza]

Just to clarify, I was tapering multiple meds at once. My waves could be a mix of all the things mentioned above or some of the symptoms mentioned. Effexor is known for causing very nasty withdrawal and so are benzos. I also seem to be extra sensitive to drugs as I get all the side effects. 

[Rick213]

Fuerza no I haven't gotten my liver tested 

 

My withdraw from the first meds I got off lasted 5 months 

And I was doing good untill

4 months ago I  whent c turkey on the valdoxan 

And 4 weeks ago I started having extreme adrenaline  my windows are 40 percent less intense

 

But high adrenaline is my only symptom 

Seems like my dopamine is low and not keeping my adrenaline low

 

[Rick213]

I know fuerza I'm the same I metabolize meds bad I'm sensative too

[Rick213]

So I got off meds 10 months ago and I got off this last med 4 months ago I kindled even though it's not the same drug class ?

[Rick213]

Fuerza does valdoxan work on the same receptors or neurotranmistters as zoloft ??