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I found out I have very low testosterone. What should I do? I am still on paxil and don't know what to do..I had high t while on full dosage? is this damage?


end of 2010, prescribed paxil 20mg

1 year off cold turkey  september 2011- september 2012 (nightmare) escitalopram for 4 months (didn't help).

RI september 2012 20mg

october 2013 crash reaching 10mg

10/31/2013 updose to 14mg

1/3/2014-13mg

2/23/2014-12mg

4/6/2014-11mg

august 2014-10mg

November-December 2014 Big mistake, skipping doses BIG Crash

January 2015- 12 mg

 

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nz11

Its 2 oclock in the morning i now suffer insomnia as  current wdl symptoms. Saw your thread.

Sorry you are not stable yet. was wondering how you were doing.

 

Unfortunately at this stage you are still on the drug and so this concern although real will just have to wait until you are off the drug.imo In other words there is nothing you can do about it.

 

I know on pp we couldnt use the 'p' word.

I am not sure what word we can or cannot use here but i will put my neck on the line and say yes in my case i believe it is permanent.

I am currently a 7 .1 ,normal males should be 8-22 if aged between 20 and 100 from memory just recently had a relative 20 yrs older than me go for a blood test i asked him to get the T done it came in at 18.  I have done blood tests annually for 3 years now and caught it as it was falling shortly after i came off the drug it was 12.5 at that stage...since fallen to 7 which is where it has been for the last 2 years .I am now not going to get anymore blood tests.

Doc said my 7 is very normal i had to disagree with him on that these people dont like it if you disagree with them. .

 

In your case we dont know if this is damage until you are off the drug. imo

 

Its not rocket science but to get off you must go down not up in dose. Sorry if you are not stable.

Clearly recent chopping and changing doses has upset the applecart. ok so you have updosed to 14 draw  a line in the sand and say no more updoses hold here for 2-3 months until stable then start the taper at perhaps 5% at least to start with that is my opinion. 

 

I really hope you can stabilize soon

Try not to let this T thing bother you at this time it is out of your hands.


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Fenrir

I forgot to udate my signature, I'm still at 12 not 14....


end of 2010, prescribed paxil 20mg

1 year off cold turkey  september 2011- september 2012 (nightmare) escitalopram for 4 months (didn't help).

RI september 2012 20mg

october 2013 crash reaching 10mg

10/31/2013 updose to 14mg

1/3/2014-13mg

2/23/2014-12mg

4/6/2014-11mg

august 2014-10mg

November-December 2014 Big mistake, skipping doses BIG Crash

January 2015- 12 mg

 

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Fenrir

I have to add that I had testicular pain and burning from november to january. The last ultrasongraphy on december shows nothing wrong, having another exams and appointment with urologist soon.


end of 2010, prescribed paxil 20mg

1 year off cold turkey  september 2011- september 2012 (nightmare) escitalopram for 4 months (didn't help).

RI september 2012 20mg

october 2013 crash reaching 10mg

10/31/2013 updose to 14mg

1/3/2014-13mg

2/23/2014-12mg

4/6/2014-11mg

august 2014-10mg

November-December 2014 Big mistake, skipping doses BIG Crash

January 2015- 12 mg

 

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antidepressantsNoMore

 How low is your testosterone? Have you have your test levels checked by a doctor? My test levels were sky high when I was younger like they should be, but even during this time, my test levels were so high i would experience almost manic anger, aggression, levels of confidence so high, out of control libido, you get the picture. I believe my test levels crashed because of SNRI's. There are natural supplements that are practical in increasing free test levels but not overall test levels.

 

I sometimes supplement, longjack or tongkat ali 100:1, 1 gram, Stinging nettle, 2 grams, Zinc 50 mg and a few others. Again these don't solve the issue though. Low test and high estrogen especially high E2 levels can cause a lot of mental disorders for males.


2 Years free of w/d.

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Wildflower0214

Well, I know I'm not really commenting on low T as a man, but I have high T and low estrogen from this. It's fantastic.

:( it seems like everything just goes the wrong way with all of this in WD.


2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor.....

5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses.

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antidepressantsNoMore

Well, I know I'm not really commenting on low T as a man, but I have high T and low estrogen from this. It's fantastic.

:( it seems like everything just goes the wrong way with all of this in WD.

 

You ever try DIM http://www.pipingrock.com/diindolylmethane-dim


2 Years free of w/d.

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MatGMax

Hi Fenrir,

I only got mine checked after I'd been on SSRIs for 5 years and my T levels were low.

I think however they were always low.

But it didn't seem to stop my sex drive (or fathering 2 children).
 

I think there is a wide range of normal.

 

But well worth following up with the urologist.

 

Cheers

 

Damien


Off all SSRIs as at November 2016.

 

Been on SSRIs (mainly Lexapro) for around 15 years.

failed attempts to go cold turkey before I got proper info on it.

Over last 2 years I've slowly gone from 20 mg Lexapro to 2.5 mg Lexapro.

on 25th Jan 2015 I've now moved to home made liquid Lexapro.

Plan is to drop roughly 0.2 mg per month over the next 1-2 years.  

25th Jan 2015 2.5 mg Lexapro liquid.

24th Mar 2016 1.0 mg lexapro (crushed tablet mixed and refilled into capsules)

Planned to be at 0.0 mg lexapro by about October 2016. 

I also take 50-100 mg modafinil per day, no short term plans of stopping/tapering modafinil but will re-evaluate after I'm off lexapro. 

 

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Rob66

Not sure if this has been asked before. Did a search but didn't find what I'm asking. It's difficult to find any definitive proof that ssri's cause hormone disruption. I was tested for low testosterone 3 different times and got low results every time. My doctor admits that my testosterone is low for my age but have no explanation for it other than the fact I'm on zoloft. Unless I was tested before starting zoloft, there is no way of knowing this is the cause. Anybody ever wonder this as well?


April 26th - 36.5>32.8mg Z.

Feb 4th - 40.5>36.5mg Zoloft.

Jan 5th - 45>40.5mg Zoloft.

Dec 6th - 50>45mg Zoloft.

Nov 1st - 53>50.0mg Zoloft. Sep 22/17 - 50.0>53.0mg Zoloft. Sep 18/17 - 59.0>50.0mg Zoloft.

Aug 7/17 - 65.6>59.0mg  July 18/17 - 72.9>65.6mg. June 18/17 - 81>72.9mg 

May 28/17 - 90>81mg.  May 8/17:  Started my taper. 100>90mg

1995 to May 8/17:  100mg Zoloft/day.  Working well but suspecting some signs of Tolerance this past year.

4/5/17:  Started Testosterone Replacement Therapy via T pellet insertion.  Diagnosed with Secondary Hypogonadism.

Supplements:  1000mg fish oil, 10,000iu Vit D3 with K2, 400mg Magnesium.

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Rob66

Crickets......Anybody out there experience low testosterone while on a SSRI?


April 26th - 36.5>32.8mg Z.

Feb 4th - 40.5>36.5mg Zoloft.

Jan 5th - 45>40.5mg Zoloft.

Dec 6th - 50>45mg Zoloft.

Nov 1st - 53>50.0mg Zoloft. Sep 22/17 - 50.0>53.0mg Zoloft. Sep 18/17 - 59.0>50.0mg Zoloft.

Aug 7/17 - 65.6>59.0mg  July 18/17 - 72.9>65.6mg. June 18/17 - 81>72.9mg 

May 28/17 - 90>81mg.  May 8/17:  Started my taper. 100>90mg

1995 to May 8/17:  100mg Zoloft/day.  Working well but suspecting some signs of Tolerance this past year.

4/5/17:  Started Testosterone Replacement Therapy via T pellet insertion.  Diagnosed with Secondary Hypogonadism.

Supplements:  1000mg fish oil, 10,000iu Vit D3 with K2, 400mg Magnesium.

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DaisyBell

Although this post was in topic "PMS and menstrual cycle issues during withdrawal" and is about female hormones I think the same applies to male hormones (or hormones generally) too:

 

On 4/6/2013 at 7:20 AM, Altostrata said:

A lot of women seem to find antidepressants affect their cycles, in different ways.

 

They're hormonal disruptors. Some people find the disruption beneficial, others not so much.

 


In Jan 2011 started Lexapro 10 mg after 10 minutes consultation with doctor telling him I felt anxious in confined spaces and had an anxiety attack on plane and underground. Remained on that dosage until Sept 2014. Tapered following a doctor's schedule on 2.5 mg drops every three weeks. Once stopped I developed severe withdrawals. Three weeks of Prozac beginning of Oct 2014 but had adverse reaction and stopped CT. Protracted withdrawals since. Supp now - magnesium, fish oil, turmeric, vit D, melatonin (but recently it's made me depressed), castus vitex capsule with ginger, Withania, Vit E, zinc, Lutein for PMS.

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zxcv

I'm just curious if getting off ssris will make your testosterone go back to normal if get off of them. Assuming they lower it.


History:

Trazodone:  150mg -> 0mg

Wellbutrin: 300mg - > 0 mg a day

Fluoxetine: 60mg  -> 40 mg

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RusTW

can testosterone therapy worsen w/d symptoms.i have low t .


March-2017-Dec-2017 ativanCT /reinstated ativan 1mg tapered 2 months/June 2017-April 2018 zyprexa 10mg switched to seroquel 200-300mg in april 2018/dec-2017-present zoloft 100mg/ quit seroquel 200-300mg cold turkey May 6 2018 reinstated seroquel 100mg around May 25 2018 since then tapered to 50mg zoloft and 50 mg of seroquel presently other medications Testosterone cypionate 2oomg every 4 days

UPDATE -August 20 2018--october 20 2018 tapered off Testosterone/Nov 7 2018 --Dec 20 2018 Lamictal micro dose 2.50mg 1 1/2 weeks then reduced to 1.25 then fast tapered as it became paridoxial.nausea- racing thoughts- agitation and insomnia.

August 28 2018 to Present Cannabis indica micro dose PM bedtime only.

Presently Seroquel 37.5 mg bedtime /Zoloft 47mg morning

May 2018-Present Multivitamin/ Bcomplex/Vit C 1000MG/B12 1000MCG/Fish oils 2grams/

Jan 2019-Trace mineral liquid low dose

Update dec 2019 -29mg of zoloft tapering/Seroquel 37.5 holding/1 or 2  ativan 1mg a month as needed if that.

Black seed oil-caprylic acid-/b complex/b12/multi/D/E/melatonin

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Galmond

Great question. I hope someone has some advice im in the same boat.


Took cymbalta for six years. I started at 30mg. After 1-2 years i went up to 40mg then another 1-2 years went to 60mg. Stayed there for at least 2 years. At around 6 yrs it stopped working and I'm free of cymbalta for 1 yr. Took last dose August 1, 2017. I have tried a few other Ads during that year. Effexor, pristiq, welbutrin,and nortriptyline. None of them helped.

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Altostrata

Combined similar topics.

 

In general, I would be careful with any steroid therapy during withdrawal (or any other time). Bumping up one hormone tends to imbalance everything else, because the body depends on self-regulation.

 

There seems to be a lot of overselling of testosterone treatment right now, with much near-quackery, playing on male insecurities. Be very cautious.


This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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RusTW
55 minutes ago, Galmond said:

Great question. I hope someone has some advice im in the same boat.

I'll just give you my experience so far being on to testosterone during withdrawals. I don't feel like there is much of a negative effect I'm getting more positive effects. That's just me though. I have 20-plus years of experience taking them so I know how they feel and work in my body. You have two choices you can taper off of them or continue taking them. Never cold turkey. As long as I'm having Windows here and there I'm going to continue on. I'm not a happy guy when my hormones are out of balance I can tell you that . I have mine tested very frequently by a urologist. I couldn't imagine having high levels of estrogen right now. This is truly an experimental  thing taking them while going through withdrawals. We'll see how it goes I'll keep you updated.


March-2017-Dec-2017 ativanCT /reinstated ativan 1mg tapered 2 months/June 2017-April 2018 zyprexa 10mg switched to seroquel 200-300mg in april 2018/dec-2017-present zoloft 100mg/ quit seroquel 200-300mg cold turkey May 6 2018 reinstated seroquel 100mg around May 25 2018 since then tapered to 50mg zoloft and 50 mg of seroquel presently other medications Testosterone cypionate 2oomg every 4 days

UPDATE -August 20 2018--october 20 2018 tapered off Testosterone/Nov 7 2018 --Dec 20 2018 Lamictal micro dose 2.50mg 1 1/2 weeks then reduced to 1.25 then fast tapered as it became paridoxial.nausea- racing thoughts- agitation and insomnia.

August 28 2018 to Present Cannabis indica micro dose PM bedtime only.

Presently Seroquel 37.5 mg bedtime /Zoloft 47mg morning

May 2018-Present Multivitamin/ Bcomplex/Vit C 1000MG/B12 1000MCG/Fish oils 2grams/

Jan 2019-Trace mineral liquid low dose

Update dec 2019 -29mg of zoloft tapering/Seroquel 37.5 holding/1 or 2  ativan 1mg a month as needed if that.

Black seed oil-caprylic acid-/b complex/b12/multi/D/E/melatonin

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RusTW
59 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Combined similar topics.

 

In general, I would be careful with any steroid therapy during withdrawal (or any other time). Bumping up one hormone tends to imbalance everything else, because the body depends on self-regulation.

 

There seems to be a lot of overselling of testosterone treatment right now, with much near-quackery, playing on male insecurities. Be very cautious.

Very true Alto .Its like any drug there are side effects and W/D.It is being sold to everyone.I've tried without it.My T levels are always at rock bottom and stay there with high estrogen for many years.These are powerful medications that effect mood and body.The W/D is bad on these too.


March-2017-Dec-2017 ativanCT /reinstated ativan 1mg tapered 2 months/June 2017-April 2018 zyprexa 10mg switched to seroquel 200-300mg in april 2018/dec-2017-present zoloft 100mg/ quit seroquel 200-300mg cold turkey May 6 2018 reinstated seroquel 100mg around May 25 2018 since then tapered to 50mg zoloft and 50 mg of seroquel presently other medications Testosterone cypionate 2oomg every 4 days

UPDATE -August 20 2018--october 20 2018 tapered off Testosterone/Nov 7 2018 --Dec 20 2018 Lamictal micro dose 2.50mg 1 1/2 weeks then reduced to 1.25 then fast tapered as it became paridoxial.nausea- racing thoughts- agitation and insomnia.

August 28 2018 to Present Cannabis indica micro dose PM bedtime only.

Presently Seroquel 37.5 mg bedtime /Zoloft 47mg morning

May 2018-Present Multivitamin/ Bcomplex/Vit C 1000MG/B12 1000MCG/Fish oils 2grams/

Jan 2019-Trace mineral liquid low dose

Update dec 2019 -29mg of zoloft tapering/Seroquel 37.5 holding/1 or 2  ativan 1mg a month as needed if that.

Black seed oil-caprylic acid-/b complex/b12/multi/D/E/melatonin

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Galmond
On 8/12/2018 at 6:06 PM, RusTW said:

I'll just give you my experience so far being on to testosterone during withdrawals. I don't feel like there is much of a negative effect I'm getting more positive effects. That's just me though. I have 20-plus years of experience taking them so I know how they feel and work in my body. You have two choices you can taper off of them or continue taking them. Never cold turkey. As long as I'm having Windows here and there I'm going to continue on. I'm not a happy guy when my hormones are out of balance I can tell you that . I have mine tested very frequently by a urologist. I couldn't imagine having high levels of estrogen right now. This is truly an experimental  thing taking them while going through withdrawals. We'll see how it goes I'll keep you updated.

Rus

How's things going with your taper and TRT therapy?

Was wondering do you use cream or injections for your TRT. And where youalreadyon TRT when you decided to taper from your med?


Took cymbalta for six years. I started at 30mg. After 1-2 years i went up to 40mg then another 1-2 years went to 60mg. Stayed there for at least 2 years. At around 6 yrs it stopped working and I'm free of cymbalta for 1 yr. Took last dose August 1, 2017. I have tried a few other Ads during that year. Effexor, pristiq, welbutrin,and nortriptyline. None of them helped.

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Steve61

I had testosterone injections years ago while on my ad. It upped my libido a bit but it just wasn’t worth all the extra anxiety and angry moods .

 


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Ibnabu

Hi all and wish the Coronavirus crisis to pass soon and life will start again. 

I posted several days ago to ask about the slow release testosterone nebido injection I took six and a half months ago. I just took one injection. Now I think I am having withdrawal symptoms from that injection. Will these symptoms go away. Does anyone in this site have experience with Trt. Please if you have any knowledge please help me. I am in hell right now. 

Thanks to all

Ibnabu 


My drug history:

Cipralex 10mg for two months from February 2015 to April 2015. Tapered for one month 

Cipralex 20mg for six months from February 2016 to August 2016. Tapered for 5 weeks.

From October 2016 till fourth of April 2018 I am drug free.

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Thehardway

So when i crashed my doctor tested my hormones and it came back with extremely low testosterone numbers....189 ng/ml.  She advised testosterone pellets  to get me in the normal range which is 300-1000.  I am tenative however.  Has anyone had experience with low testosterone and trt?  

For context i am 37 yo and have been on 20mg paxil since 18 yo.  


2001 paxil 20mg

2012 abrupt taper off ending in hospitalization 

2012 20 mg paroxetine 150mg trazodone for sleep  2mg ativan as needed 

2018 completely off trazododne and began slow taper from 20mg paroxetine. 

2020 June- Hit snag at around 60% of 20mg paroxetine dose.  Now I'm here. Taking ativan as needed again.

June 8 2020 -back up to full 20mg paxil

Already tapering off trazadone 

Stopped ativan completely.  Only on 1 week.

 

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ChessieCat

Merged similar topics.


Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 12 Sept 2020:  Pristiq 0.625 mg (compounded)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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normlex

How are you making out Thehardway?

Would like to compare notes.  Seems like we may have a similar story.

 

On 8/17/2020 at 10:32 PM, ChessieCat said:

Merged similar topics.

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Lexapro 2008-2014 - 10mg, 2014-Feb 2020 20mg, Tapered by 5mg steps from 20mg down to 0mg by May 2019 approx. took 6 months, went back to 20mg since it did not accomplish my objective but not due to withdrawal symptoms, , Feb 2020 went down to 10mg from 20 mg to Aug 17 '20, Aug 18 2020 dropped to 5mg to Sep 1 2020, Sep 2 back to 10mg due to wd symp.

Ativan - 1mg daily in morning, over 2yrs at this dose

Cetirizine - Dec 2019 std otc dose at bedtime, Aug 30 2020 stopped taking til Sep 8 2020, Sep 9 2020 1/2 tablet til Sep 13 2020, Sep 14 2020 full tablet til present

 

 

 

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