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March 17 I started Escitalopram, and then on March 28 I started Trazadone.

 

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I made an error writing. I started on March 17, Escitalopram, and then on April 28, I started Trazadon.

 

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Leo1983

So you werebon Escitalopram from March 28th. When did you STOP escitalopram.

 

You have been on Trazadone for around 4 - 5 months?

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Asta

On Trazadone 4 months from April  28th, Escitalopram take from March 17th, and

 Stop July 30th.

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Leo1983

Ok - Likely that your symptoms are coming from stopping Escitalopram. These symptoms can last many months. Lexapro is a powerful drug and difficult to stop.

 

Trazadone should be well into your system now. However you may be suffering side effects of this drug also.

 

It sounds like none of the drugs have helped you in any way. So is it not best to stop both drugs?.

 

You are not going to be able to stop these drugs without suffering. It is as simple as that!!!!. You need to slowly stop the Trazadone also. You need to take the advice from this forum. You may also need to take time off work until you feel better.

 

There is only 1 road..... you need to walk it slowly.

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Asta

Can I now begin to lower Trazadone?

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You should see a doctor 1st and agree a plan for you to reduce.

 

You should reduce very slowly.

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Hi Asta,

 

I'd hold for just now on further tapering.  (if I were you I would)  As you just essentially CTed (cold turkeyed) off your escitalopram on the 30th of July.

How can I help you with the signature?  Do you have any previous drug history?  Are you on any other medications now?

I have the following information from your previous posts:

2018

17 March escitalopram 5 mg

8 June escitalopram 2.5 mg

30 July escitalopram stopped

 

28 April  Triticco(trazodone) 75 mg

 

Do you have a doctor that you see that is well versed in WD?  Unfortunately, it's a rarity.  The drug interactions between trazadone and escitalopram are quite yucky as well.......I'm not sure that this doctor is paying attention.  I'll copy on over what I found in drugs.com for you to look at regarding those 2 drugs.

 

Is there any way you can post like you did in your first post.  The large blue background font is very difficult to read and access.  And we really do need for you to be able to understand a little bit more, so that you can make decisions.  Do you have someone who could help you read and interpet some of the links that you have been given?

 

And how are you doing today?

 

Love, peace, healing, and growth,

mmt

 

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Interactions between your drugs

Major:

traZODone escitalopram

Applies to: trazodone, Lexapro (escitalopram)

Using escitalopram together with traZODone can increase the risk of a rare but serious condition called the serotonin syndrome, which may include symptoms such as confusion, hallucination, seizure, extreme changes in blood pressure, increased heart rate, fever, excessive sweating, shivering or shaking, blurred vision, muscle spasm or stiffness, tremor, incoordination, stomach cramp, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Severe cases may result in coma and even death. You should contact your doctor immediately if you experience these symptoms during treatment. In addition, combining these medications can increase the risk of an irregular heart rhythm that may be serious and potentially life-threatening, although it is a relatively rare side effect. You may be more susceptible if you have a heart condition called congenital long QT syndrome, other cardiac diseases, conduction abnormalities, or electrolyte disturbances (for example, magnesium or potassium loss due to severe or prolonged diarrhea or vomiting). Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. Your doctor may already be aware of the risks, but has determined that this is the best course of treatment for you and has taken appropriate precautions and is monitoring you closely for any potential complications. You should seek immediate medical attention if you develop sudden dizziness, lightheadedness, fainting, shortness of breath, or heart palpitations during treatment with these medications, whether together or alone. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor.

 

Drug and food interactions

Moderate

traZODone food

Applies to: trazodone

Alcohol can increase the nervous system side effects of traZODone such as dizziness, drowsiness, and difficulty concentrating. Some people may also experience impairment in thinking and judgment. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with traZODone. Do not use more than the recommended dose of traZODone, and avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medication affects you. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist if you have any questions or concerns.

Switch to professional interaction data

Moderate

escitalopram food

Applies to: Lexapro (escitalopram)

Alcohol can increase the nervous system side effects of escitalopram such as dizziness, drowsiness, and difficulty concentrating. Some people may also experience impairment in thinking and judgment. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with escitalopram. Do not use more than the recommended dose of escitalopram, and avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medication affects you. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist if you have any questions or concerns.

 

(from drugs.com interactions checker)

 

 

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.....and okay I got the 28 April was the start of your Triticco(trazodone) and corrected that date in my previous post.

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manymoretodays

........and Asta, 

How can I help you means basically happy to help..........how can I do so?

So please let me know.  I'm not sure but suspect we may have a language difference.

I just did not want you to mis-interpet that question that I asked.

 

And don't feel bad, sorry, sad.........I do think you will be able to understand and "get it" once we get past some of the communication difficulties.

We are happy to have you "on board".

 

Love, peace, healing, and growth,

mmt

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Asta

Hi manymoretodays, 

 

I am now taking Trazadone 75 mg, I did not take any psychotropic drugs before. It's been 5 weeks since I finished taking Escitalopram. I feel better, anxiety is small. Sometimes hard to breathe, especially when I'm flipping the stairs. A sore throat and ears, a bad sleep, a skin sensation. I would like to slow down Trazadone.

 

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There is no organization in my country that helps with symptoms of withdrawal. All doctors believe that the dose should be increased because the symptoms can only last for 14 days.

 

I was thinking, as it may be, if I did not have such symptoms before the drugs, and I found this site.

When I started taking Escitalopram and had horrible side effects, the doctor told me to increase the dose.

 

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Leo1983

Hi hope your ok.

 

The reason the GP wantd to keep you on the medication is because they only know what the pharma company tell them. Its a big sales ploy!

Do you think these medications would sell if they told people about what we are all suffering?. No is the answer.

 

Best thing to do is reduce Trazadone slowly until your off it. Take each day and wait until your body returns to normal state.

 

Just my opinion.

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Altostrata
2 hours ago, Asta said:

There is no organization in my country that helps with symptoms of withdrawal.All doctors believe that the dose should be increased because the symptoms can only last for 14 days.

I was thinking, as it may be, if I did not have such symptoms before the drugs, and I found this site.
When I started taking Escitalopram and had horrible side effects, the doctor told me to increase the dose.

 

Asta, all doctors believe this, it is the same everywhere. That is why this site exists.

 

How have your symptoms changed since stopping escilatopram July 30? What times of day do you get the sore throat, ears, breathless feeling, skin sensation. What is your sleep pattern?

 

Please stop copying text directly out of Google translation, it's hard to read. Copy it to Notepad or other text application, even e-mail, then copy it here without the blue background.

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Hi, I think that these symptoms are less severe. The lack of air in a day occur in about 5 times, airshortage is higher. Difficult to breathe, especially when I am flipping the stairs and standig up. Sometimes  feel sick, headaches, sore muscles, bones, pain in the neck, but not long. Anxiety less, sometimes sleep better, sometimes worse. Last week sleep is bad. I slept well this night.

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Sometimes I feel drowsiness.

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When I stopped taking medictations,  I was afraid, trembling, burned the body. Now it is not.

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Please give advice. Can I reduce the Trazadone?

 

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Ask for advice on the forum.

 

If you reduce it should be small reductions. Also you are already managing symptoms from one drug, would it be wise to wait until you stop withdrawal from Lexapro?

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I don't know what to do. One day I think that needs to be increased to 1 mg Escitalopram, the next day I want to reduce the Trazadone. It is very difficult. In my country there is no liquid, tablets 150 mg of Trazadone, I cut them. It is difficult to cut them exactly. They are insoluble in water. Last night appeared anxious. This night slept very badly, feel sick, sore muscles and bones.

 

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manymoretodays

Hi Asta,

 

What are your W/D symptoms like now?   You are 5 weeks out from the escitalopram. 

Back on page one are the relevant links for you to read through, and this should help with your decision making. 

 

It looks like you CAN make a liquid with Trazadone, although I'm a bit hesitant to get you going on that at the moment........ 

as it's not real clear yet what your symptoms are right now.  For example, if you are only having symptoms at night.......that's not too bad, all things considered.

 

The nervous system really appreciates stability.  Do the best you can with pill cutting.  If you line up the pill in a pill cutter and close down the lid quickly it is fairly easy to get consistent cuts that way.  Take your dose at the same time every night.

 

Can you do a real simple format for us?  Put the time on the left, then include drug(and dosage) and any symptoms throughout the day and night.

Something like this:  Keeping daily notes of your symptoms

 

Love, peace, healing, and growth,

mmt

p.s. you have a nice clean, clear signature now.  Did you notice?

 

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Leo1983

Hows tricks Asta?

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Thanks for the answer, today I feel better. Decided to reduce the Trazadone a bit later. I bought the pills cutting.  My signature is on the same page? 

 

21.30 pm take a Trazadone 75 mg

9 am bone and muscle pain.

1 pm sleepy

3 pm little anxiety

A small air throughout all day.

 

 

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It sounds like your Trazadone is causing some withdrawal effects.

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I have Trazadone to take the same dose I will wait a bit, and then I will start to reduce. Abstinence from Escitalopram.

 

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Altostrata

Please don't change trazodone at all while you still have withdrawal from escitalopram.

 

Since you went off escitalopram in March, your withdrawal symptoms have lessened and your sleep has gotten better, is that correct?

 

Are your symptoms worse at any particular time of day?

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Escitalopram I stopped on July 30. Sleep is sometimes better, sometimes worse. I can't say that they're deteriorating, in the course of the day, just as they are different. The first two weeks I felt pretty bad. The next two weeks were better, some of the symptoms are gone, others become weaker. Now comes one day better, the next worse (maybe worse, some for less sleep). My symptoms: nausea and headache pain in the short term, muscle and bone pain, anxiety weaker (not every day), lack of air (below), mood swings, crying, helplessness (less than it was).

 

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Sometimes I feel drovsy.

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Hi, I really do not know whether this is what I feel this anxiety is an unpleasant feeling in the chest, one at another location. I've never had this feeling before the use of drugs in the past did not have, I think, that's a withdrawal. Really sciery. For a long time this feeling was very low, or no, today is stronger, but not so when only I adjourned the medication.

 

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Leo1983

Hi. Yes i have high anxiety today. I feel very detached. Weird feeling.

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Asta

Hello, today is 8 weeks , when I off escitalopram. May moderators comment my WD? 
As I wrote, sometimes it gets scary, is it relly WD? Or maybe the disease... (I read your links about WD, but I doubt it sometimes, because there is no one to consult with in my country. It is very sad that I have a language barrier). But I DID NOT HAVE all these symptoms before taking medication and I really hope that they will pass.

09/06
9.30 pm take a Trazadone 75 mg
9 am - 12 pm weak anxiety
12 pm - 1 pm stronger anxiety
 1:30 pm - short-term headache, ear and throat pain, slightly nausea.
2 p.m. - 8 p.m.  anxiety (with interruptions).
SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 HOURS.

 

09/07
9.30 pm take a Trazadone 75 mg
8 am - short-term air deficiency, low internal shaking, little nervousness.
9:20 am - bone pain.
10:30 am - short-term headache, ear and throat pain.
SLEPT FOR ABOUT 7 HOURS.

 

09/08
9.30 pm take a Trazadone 75 mg
8:30 am - short-term air deficiency.
3:30 p.m. - slight lethargy, low muscle pain.
9:30 p.m. - short-term air deficiency.
SLEPT FOR ABOUT 7 HOURS.

 

09/09
9.30 pm take a Trazadone 75 mg
6:30 am - weak anxiety.
7:20 am - short-term air deficiency, thoughts of despair.
9 am - low internal shaking, little nervousness.
All day emotional instability, mood swings.
8 pm - weak anxiety.
SLEPT LESS THAN 6 HOURS.

 

09/10
9.30 pm take a Trazadone 75 mg
At night ear and throat pain.
7 am - bone pain.
8 am - short-term air deficiency, low internal shaking, little nervousness.
10 am - weak anxiety.
12 p m - weak anxiety.
12:40 pm- 1:30 pm - stronger anxiety.
Emotional instability.
9:30 pm - weak anxiety.
SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 HOURS.

 

09/11
9.30 pm take a Trazadone 75 mg
At night ear and throat pain, short-term air deficiency.
7:20 am - bone pain.
8 am - low internal shaking, little nervousness, little fear.
9:20 am - 11:40 am weak anxiety.
1 pm- ear and throat pain.
6 pm - headache, nausea.
SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 WITH HALF HOURS.

 

09/12
9.30 pm take a Trazadone 75 mg
At night ear and throat pain.
7 am - bad mood.
8 am - weak anxiety.
9 am - 10 am stronger anxiety, emotional instability, lethargy, throat pain.
4 am - emotional instability.
9:30 pm - stronger anxiety.
SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 WITH HALF HOURS.
Really bad day.

 

09/13
9.30 pm take a Trazadone 75 mg
5:30 am - stronger anxiety.
7:30 am - low internal shaking.
8:20 am - skin sensitivity.
9:20 am - 10:40 am weak anxiety, lethargy.
2 pm - stronger anxiety.
2:30 pm - bone pain.
SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 WITH HALF HOURS.

 

09/14
9.30 pm take a Trazadone 75 mg
8:20 am - little nervousness, short-term air deficiency.
4:30 am - little bone pain.
SLEPT FOR ABOUT 5 WITH HALF HOURS.

 

09/15
9.30 pm take a Trazadone 75 mg
10 am - low internal shaking.
1 pm - lethargy.
2 pm - weak anxiety.
7pm - weak anxiety.
SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 WITH HALF HOURS.

 

09/16
9.30 pm take a Trazadone 75 mg
7 am - weak anxiety.
10 am - low internal shaking, lethargy.
1:30 pm - emotional instability (anger, hate speech, hopelessness).
6 pm - feel not bad.
SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 HOURS.

 

09/17
9.30 pm take a Trazadone 75 mg
11 am - little bone pain, little lethargy.
5:30 pm - 6:30 pm - anxiety.
SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 WITH HALF HOURS.

 

09/18
9.30 pm take a Trazadone 75 mg
7 am - anger
Until lunch emotional instability.
All day weak anxiety (with interruptions).
SLEPT FOR ABOUT 5 HOURS.

 

09/19
9.30 pm take a Trazadone 75 mg
8:30 am - 10 am - weak anxiety.
11:30 am - 8 pm stronger anxiety (with interruptions).
SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 HOURS.

 

09/20
9.30 pm take a Trazadone 75 mg
9 am - anger, hate speech.
10 am - emotional instability, lethargy.
SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 HOURS.

 

09/21
9.30 pm take a Trazadone 75 mg
11 am - 12 am - emotional instability, lethargy.
5:30 pm - 8:30 am - stronger anxiety.
SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 HOURS.
 

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manymoretodays

Hi Asta,

There is no one much in ANY country to consult with on W/D........so you are not alone in that.

And that's good that you did not have many symptoms before trying these medications.

 

Have you tried any of the magnesium or fish oil yet?  Here are the links on those.

The only 2 supplements that we recommend are:

Omega 3, fatty acids( fish oil)

Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker

It's best to just start one new thing at a time however,  start low, then keep records as to what you are adding or changing.

I've found the magnesium to be calming and the omega's seem to be stabilizing.  You'll need to read through the links Asta, and then just try one or the other to see how you tolerate.

 

Lot's of other ideas for non-drug coping are in our symptoms and self care forum.

The Dr. Claire Weekes Method of recovering from a sensitized nervous system

There is an audio that you can listen too, and youtube as well ^ that is a good/great starting place

 

Relaxation exercises, guided meditations

 

The symptoms will improve Asta and then sometimes they come on back again from time to time.  We call this windows and waves pattern of stabilization

And feelings and emotions often can feel very enhanced:  neuroemotions

Fear, terror, panic, and anxiety
Dealing with emotional spirals

 

Asta, I think that yes, you are dealing with withdrawal symptoms.  I left you a lot of links to things that you can look at and then try for developing non-drug coping skills now.  The last link has a whole indexed section at the bottom as well.

 

Good job with the drug and symptom logs too!  Thank you.  Let's try and get you to a good spot with symptoms and coping skills right now.  Does that sound okay? 

You can also look about at others introductions to see how they are coping and offer support and encouragement where you can.  When you find things that do help you to cope.......share that too, either here or with others.

 

Love, peace, healing, and growth,

mmt

 

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Asta

@Altostrata
Cud you answer for me?

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manymoretodays

You're welcome Asta.  I just thought of this too......and am back at my desk briefly.

We've got this section going here:  Recommended doctors, therapists, and clinics

In the first post there are links to other sites that have lists as well.  So you might be able to find someone on the ground, to assist, as well.

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