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Leo1983

It was Developed in Italy that's possibly why. 

 

You have Italy to thank for your suffering. 

 

Get well soon . 

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Asta

Even pharmacists knows you can't suddenly drop a pills,you have to do that step by step. Why doctors are clueless? Or they know, but just wants as to take more....

 

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Leo1983

I don't think Gp's get money off pharmacy companies. I think Psychiatrists do. 

 

It depends what you believe. I believe that's it's corrupt. I think it's all about money. However I don't think the purpously go out there way to harm us. I th8nk they know how much of a challenge it is to get off the DRUGS and hope that we are life long customers. 

 

At work we had a talk from a psychopharmacologist he said there is a place for drugs short term. What amazed me was he said these DRUGS will shorten lives. I was amazed. He said it's benefit out weighing risk. 

 

Crazy. 

 

Who do we trust? 

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Asta

Lee, do not scare me.

 

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Leo1983

No no. You have got me wrong. I'm talking people who are life long on long term drugs. For years and years. 

 

Not YOU

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Altostrata

Asta, it looks like your sleep is settling from your decrease to 67mg about a month ago.

 

Do you get bone pain after you take trazodone in the evening?

 

Are the spells of anxiety better, worse, or the same since you reduced to 67mg?

 

How are you measuring 67mg? Yes, you can take part in tablet form and part in liquid form, but don't make a change until your sleep pattern is set.

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@Altostrata

Yes, I have a bone pain at night.I don't feel rested even if I sleep longer.My sleep is not deep enough. Now sleeps for about 5 hours. When I started taking escitalopram, I did not sleep. When I started trazadone, I sleep sometimes better, sometimes worse. Maybe trazadone spoils my sleep. I'll try Milk peptides for sleep.
It is difficult to measure 67mg.
I tried to grind and dissolve a pill in the water,but it's not working,because the pill not dissolves very well in a water.So I am cutting a pill and checking a weight,but it is difficult  to weight exactly, it is very small dose.I think my measuring isn't rigt and because off that I can get bad symptom more.
I think,I am able to get a liquid.

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Altostrata
17 hours ago, Asta said:

I think,I am able to get a liquid.

 

If you mean a compounded liquid, that would be a very good idea.

 

Can you get 50mg tablets and take the rest in liquid?

 

I am worried that you might be having an adverse reaction to trazodone. We need to see more of your daily symptom pattern.

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@Altostrata

My order with liquid and 50mg capsules on his way from another country. I worry about not exact dose, when I was cutting the pills.It could be a reason for my bad symptoms. I am going to change a dose from 67mg to 62mg.

 

11/05

9.30 pm take Trazadone 67 mg

At night bone pain.

6 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (short time)

7.30 am - low internal shaking, feels like something will happen, air deficiency (short - term).

9.40 am - little nervousness.

10.50 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now ( very short time).

11.40 am - little nervousness.

12.20 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now ( short time).

13.30 pm - take fish oil.

6 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now ( short time).

7 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now ( short time).

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 5 HOURS.

 

11/06

9.30 pm take Trazadone 67 mg

5.30 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (short time), bone pain.

7 am - air deficiency (short - term).

7. 30 am - feels like something will happen (short time)

7.40 am - low internal shaking.

8.30 am - feels like something will happen (short time, air deficiency (short - term).

9 am - little nervousness.

10 am - thirsty.

12.30 pm - feels like anxiety begins right now (all day with interruptions).

2 pm - feels like something will happen.

7 pm - air deficiency ( short-term).

9 pm - bone pain, nousea.

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 HOURS.

 

11/07 

9.30 pm take Trazadone 67 mg

At night bone pain.

6 am - bone pain, nausea, air deficiency (short - term).

6.30 am - little nervousness.

6.50 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (very short time).

7.30 am - feels like something will happen, air deficiency (short - term).

9 am -10 am - strange feeling inside, difficult to explain.

10 am - feels like something will happen.

10.20 am - thirsty.

11 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now ( very short time).

2 pm - little nervousness.

5.30 pm - feels like something will happen.

6.30 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now ( very short time).

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 5 HOURS.

 

11/08

9.30 pm take Trazadone 67 mg

At night bone pain.

5.30 am -  nausea.

7 am - low internal shaking.

2 pm - take fish oil.

2.40 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (all day with interruptions).

8.30 am - feels like something will happen (short time, air deficiency (short - term).

9 am - little nervousness.

10 am - thirsty.

12.30 pm - feels like anxiety begins right now (all day with interruptions).

4 pm - bone pain.

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 5 HOURS.

 

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Altostrata

Have the bone pain and other symptoms gotten better, worse, or the same since you reduced trazodone?

 

Is your sleep now better, worse, or the same since you reduced trazodone?

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@Altostrata

The symptoms are better right now  if compare with symptoms in the begging when I lowered the Tarazadone dose.Just bone pain is bigger, but I can deal with it, there is now problem for me.My night sleep some days is better, some days is worst right now and same as before, nothing changed. 
As today the worst thing is unpleasant feeling in the chest. I don't know it is anxiety or something different, but it drives me crazy.I had that feeling before but it was much bigger.

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Altostrata

You may be having a bad reaction to trazodone. I think your idea to reduce to 62mg is a good one.

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Asta

Thank you for the reply.

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Asta

3 months and 12 days as I stopped escitalopram, and today I reduced trazadone from 67 mg to 62.5 mg.

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manymoretodays

And awesome.  You got it in your signature too Asta!

Are you doing the 50 mg tablet and then the rest liquid?

 

Love, peace, healing, and growth,

mmt

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Asta

Hi,

Just a tablet, I have no liquid yet. But must send from another country.

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manymoretodays

Yes.  I wasn't sure if it had arrived.  Thank you.

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Leo1983

Great news Asta. 

 

Hope your well many. I see your a nurse too. 

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11/11

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62,5 mg

At night bones pain.

8 am - bones pain.

9 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (very short time), low internal shaking.

12.40 pm - feels like something will happen, low internal shaking.

13.40 pm - low fear (short time).

2 pm - take fish oil.

2.30 pm - low fear (short time), lethargy (two ours).

5.20 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (short time).

6 pm - low fear (short time).

6.40 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (short time).

8.20 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (short time).

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 8 HOURS.

 

12/11

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62,5 mg

At night bones pain.

6 am - bones pain, feeling like anxiety begins right now (short time).

7.30 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (very short time), low internal shaking.

9 am - very low anxiety.

10 am - little nervousness, emotional instability.

12 pm - 1.30 pm - little nervousness,  lethargy.

2 pm - very low anxiety (short time).

2.40 pm - bones pain.

4.40 pm - very low anxiety (short time).

6 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (very short time).

9 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (very short time).

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 5 HOURS.

 

13/11

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62,5 mg

6 am - bones pain, feeling like anxiety begins right now (short time), nausea.

8 am - low fear (short time).

10 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (short time).

12.40 pm - very low anxiety (short time).

2 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (very short time).

2.50 pm - little nervousness,  bones pain.

3.30 pm - holpless, crying.

6 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (very short time), holpless, bones pain.

8.20 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (very short time).

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 5 HOURS.

 

14/11

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62,5 mg

At night bones pain.

6 am - bones pain, feeling like anxiety begins right now (short time).

7.30 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (short time).

8.40 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (short time).

9.50 am - bones pain.

10.30 am - little nervousness.

12.30 pm - little nervousness, feeling like anxiety begins right now (short time).

2 pm - take fish oil.

5 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low -

short time).

6 pm - 7.30 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low).

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 HOURS.

 

 

 

 

 

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15/11 

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62,5 mg

At night bones pain.

7 am - bones pain.

8 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time), low internal shaking.

9 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

11 am - little nervousness, bones pain, lethargy.

12 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

2 pm - take fish oil.

3.40 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

4 pm - 4.50 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now.

8 pm - 8.40 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

9 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now, bones pain.

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 AND HALF HOURS.

 

16/11 

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62,5 mg

At night bones pain, burned shoulders and palms.

7 am - bones pain, nausea.

7.20 am - low internal shaking.

7. 40 am - feels like something will happen, low internal shaking (low).

8 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now.

9 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time), little nervousness.

9 am - 10 am - lethargy.

10 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

2 pm - take fish oil.

4 pm - 8 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low).

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 AND HALF HOURS.

 

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Asta

Hello, @Altostrata

After I lowered Trazadone to 62,5 mg I was feeling the same like before  for two days. Then I was feeling better for four days, but bone pain was bigger. 
Today is a seventh day. I am feeling worse: emotionally not stable, not pleasant feeling in the chest is bigger, but easier then it was when I first started lowering a dose.
Still not sure about splitting exact dose.
I received my Trazadone liquid today. Would like to switch to 50mg of tablets and 12mg of liquid. 
What is your opinion? Schould I switch right away or schould I wait?

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Altostrata
9 hours ago, Asta said:

Would like to switch to 50mg of tablets and 12mg of liquid. 

 

This sounds like a good idea. Please continue to post daily notes after this change.

 

Many people do better with fish oil and magnesium supplements, see

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/
http://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/15483-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/

 

A lot of people find them helpful. Try a little bit of one at a time to see how it affects you. Magnesium in small doses throughout the day may relieve anxiety.

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Asta

Can I take Milk peptides at night?

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Asta

Thank you, ChesieCat.

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17/11

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62,5 mg

At night bones pain.

7 am - bones pain.

8.20 am - low anxiety, bones pain.

9 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now.

10 am - little nervousness, low internal shakin, feeling like anxiety begins right now.

10.30 am - 1 pm - low anxiety.

11 am - strong emotional instability, crying.

1 pm - bones pain.

2 pm - take fish oil.

3.30 pm - strong emotional instability (anger, hate speech, hopelessness).

4.30 pm - bones pain, feeling like anxiety begins right now.

6.20 pm - low anxiety.

7.30 pm - bones pain, feeling like anxiety begins right now.

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 7 AND HALF HOURS.

 

18/11

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62,5 mg

At night bones pain, feeling like anxiety begins right now.

7 am - bones pain, feeling like anxiety begins right now, strong emotional instability (anger, hate speech, hopelessness) - almost all day, until 6 pm.

2 pm - take fish oil.

3.20 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now, bones pain.

6 pm - 8 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now.

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 5 AND HALF HOURS.

 

19/11

I STARTED TAKING TRAZADONE LIQUID - 12 mg

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62 mg

At night bones pain.

5 am - bones pain, feeling like anxiety begins right now, little nervousness.

6.30 am - nousea, headache, ear and throat pain (low-short time).

8. 40 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now.

9 am - little nervousness.

9 am - 11 am - leathargy.

9.30 am - thirsty.

11 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

2 pm - take fish oil.

3 pm -  feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

6 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 5 HOURS.

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Leo1983

Keep your chin up Asta. 

 

Its only time you need to burn. Be over soon.

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20/11

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62 mg

At night bones pain.

5.50 am - nausea, headache (low-short time).

6 am - bones pain, feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

7 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

7.20 am - low internal shaking. 

7.40 am - little nervousness.

8 am - 11 am - very low anxiety.

9.30 am - thirsty.

11 am - 2.30 pm - lethargy, emotional instability.

12.30 pm - nausea, headache (low-short time).

2 pm - take fish oil.

2.45 pm -  6 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low).

8.30 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now.

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 5 HOURS.

 

21/11

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62 mg

At night bones pain, short-term air deficiency. 

5.30 am - nousea, headache (low-short time).

6 am -  feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

8 am - low internal shaking. 

8.10 am - 8.40 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now.

2 pm - take fish oil.

5 pm - low fear, feels like something will happen.

6.30 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now.

7.30 pm - 9.30 pm - very low anxiety.

2 pm - take milk peptides.

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 5 HOURS.

 

22/11 

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62 mg

At night bones pain.

6.30 am - bones pain.

6.50 am - nousea, headache (low-short time).

7.40 am -  feeling like anxiety begins right now, low internal shaking.

11 am - very low anxiety (short time).

2 pm - take fish oil.

3 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

5.20 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

6.20 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

2.20 pm - take milk peptides.

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 5 HOURS.

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manymoretodays

Hi Asta,

Super, looks like you got the Trazodone liquid.

So you now taking one 50 mg tablet and then 12 mg of the liquid?

 

I came up with 12 mg= 1.2 mL of the liquid concentration.

I see it listed as supplied as 50 mg per 5 mL

Or each 1 mL is equal to 10 mg.

 

Sounds good.  How are doing with the average of just 5 hours of sleep?

Oh, and good notes.  Thank you.

 

Love, peace, healing, and growth,

mmt

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Hi @manymoretodays

Yes, now  I'm taking 50 mg tablet and 12 mg liquid. 1ml equal  60 mg, Im dousing with a dropper. 1 drop is 2mg, and I'm taking 6 dropes. Im feeling a lack of sleep, 5 hours is not enough. When I started take drops I am sleeping less, but maby that's just coincident. Before I couldn't do a right dosage by cutting tablets, thats shy much sleep was up and down.. When I started to take  escitalopram, my sleep become irregular  even I was taking trazadone my night sleep was up and down, and never felt rested. In the middle of the night I use to take warm milk, same time's it use to help me.

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23/11

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62 mg

At night bones pain.

6 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

7.40 am -  low fear (short time), feels like something will happen, low internal shaking. 

8 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

10 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

11 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

12 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

2 pm - take fish oil.

3 pm - 4.30 pm  feeling like anxiety begins right now.

4 pm - bones pain.

5.40 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

9 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

3 pm - take milk peptides.

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 5 HOURS.

 

24/11

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62 mg

At night bones pain, short-term air deficiency.

5.30 am - bones pain.

8 am -  2.30 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low).

9.40 am - low internal shaking, little nervousness,

ear pain (low - several times per day).

10.30  am - emotional instability (short time).

1.15 pm - feels like something will happen.

2 pm - take fish oil.

5.30 pm - 6.30 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low).

9 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (short time - low), emotional instability (short time - low).

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 7 HOURS.

 

25/11

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62 mg

At night bones pain.

6 am - bones pain, feeling like anxiety begins right now (very low).

7 am - 6 pm feeling like anxiety begins right now (with interruptions).

8.30 am - little nervousness.

11 am - emotional instability (short time).

12.40 pm - emotional instability (short time).

2 pm -  take fish oil.

2.30 pm - ear and throat pain (low-short time).

3.30 pm - bones pain.

7 pm - ear pain (low).

9 pm - ear, throat and eyes pain (strong).

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 5 HOURS.

 

26/11

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62 mg

At night bones, throat, ear and eyes pain.

6 am - bones pain, feeling like anxiety begins right now (very low).

7.15 am - low fear.

7.30 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

7.40 am -  9 am - low fear (with interruptions).

10.45 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

12 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

2 pm - 3 pm - lethargy.

3 pm - take fish oil.

3 pm - ear and throat pain (low-short time).

5 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (very low-short time).

5.30 pm - ear and throat pain (stronger).

6 pm - eyes pain (low).

7 pm - low fear, feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

8.20 pm - body burning (low-short time).

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 5 HOURS.

 

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27/11

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62 mg

At night bones, throat, ear and eyes pain.

7 am - bones pain, feeling like anxiety begins right now (very low).

7.20 am - little nervousness.

7.30 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time), low internal shaking.

8 am - low fear, feels like something will happen.

8.40 am - 9.40 am feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time).

10.40 am - very low anxiety (short time).

11 am - 12 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now, little nervousness.

2 pm - take fish oil.

3 pm - body burning (low-short time).

3 pm - 9 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (with interruptions).

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 HOURS.

 

28/11

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62 mg

At night bones, throat, ear and eyes pain, headache (short time).

6.30 am - bones pain, feeling like anxiety begins right now (very low).

7.30 am - low fear, feeling like anxiety begins right now (low-short time), low internal shaking.

8 am - feels like something will happen, nervousness.

8.40 am - low fear, feeling like anxiety right now (low-short time).

9.20 am - emotional instability (short time).

9.30 am - 6 pm feeling like anxiety begins right now (with interruptions).

2 pm - take fish oil.

5.30 pm - throat, eyes pain,

2 pm - take fish oil.

8 pm - body burning (low-short time).

8.30 pm - bones, ear pain (low-short time).

9 pm - feeling like anxiety right now (low-short time).

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 5 HOURS.

 

29/11

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62 mg

At night bones, eyes pain.

7 am - emotional instability (low-short time).

8 am - feels like something will happen, nervousness.

8.40 am - 12 pm -  feeling like anxiety right now 

(with interruptions).

2 pm - take fish oil.

7.30 pm - 8.30 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (with interruptions).

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 AND HALF HOURS.

 

30/11

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62 mg

4.30 am - bones pain.

6 am -  3 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (with interruptions).

3 pm - take fish oil.

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 HOURS.

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01/12

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62 mg

At night bones, eyes pain (low).

6 am - 10 pm -  feeling like anxiety begins right now  (low-all day, with interruptions).

1 pm - emotional instability (short time).

2 pm - take fish oil.

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 6 AND HOURS.

 

02/12

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62 mg

At night bones pain.

8 am -  7 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (all day, with interruptions).

2.30 pm - lethargy.

3 pm - bones pain.

3 pm - take fish oil.

6 pm - eyes pain (low-short time).

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 7 HOURS.

 

03/12

9.30 pm take Trazadone 62 mg

At night bones.

6 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (very low-short time).

7.20 am - low fear, feels like something will happen (short time).

7.30 am - low internal shaking. 

7.50 am - emotional instability (low-short time).

8 am - 8.30 am - low fear.

9.40 am - low fear (short time).

10 am - feeling like anxiety begins right now (very low-short time).

10.40 am - low fear (short time).

3.30 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (very low-short time).

6.30 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (very low-short time).

9 pm - feeling like anxiety begins right now (very low-short time).

SLEPT FOR ABOUT 5 AND HALF HOURS.

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After a few days I will begin to reduce trazadone from 62 mg to 56 mg.

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Hello, @Altostrata

I will lower Trazadone from 62mg to 56mg today.
My biggest bad symptom is unpleasant feeling in my chest which I call an anxiety. It comes often, but it is milder than it was. Emotional instability stays shorter, if it comes. It is not enough sleep.
In the begging for ten days I was taking a Triptofan and at that time my sleep changed I start sleeping just 5-6 hours. I was feeling not well from Triptofan.
After that I was taking an Esciralopram and was sleeping one hour.
When I started taking a Trazadone my sleep sometimes was better, sometimes worse. Same was when I discontinued taking an Esciralopram. When I was waking up for 2 or 3 hours at night, I was drinking warm milk and for long time it was helping me, but not helping right now. 
Now, when I lowering  Trazadone dose, I don't see big changes in my sleep. All sleep changes started with me starting a Triptofan in the beginning and they are till now.

I have strong enough pain in my joints and bones, but I can deal with it.

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