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degen12

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2864503/

 

Skip to the heading "Do cannabinoids cause persistent psychotic symptoms or a psychotic disorder?" if you don't want to read the whole thing.


April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg

2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones

August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg

September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg

October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg

November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg

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degen12

This review is probably the strongest study:

 

Lancet. 2007 Jul 28;370(9584):319-28.

Cannabis use and risk of psychotic or affective mental health outcomes: a systematic review.

Moore TH, Zammit S, Lingford-Hughes A, Barnes TR, Jones PB, Burke M, Lewis G.

 

Abstract at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17662880/

 

"The uncertainty about whether cannabis causes psychosis is unlikely to be resolved by further longitudinal studies such as those reviewed here. However, we conclude that there is now sufficient evidence to warn young people that using cannabis could increase their risk of developing a psychotic illness later in life."


April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg

2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones

August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg

September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg

October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg

November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg

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degen12

http://drthurstone.com/marijuana-psychosis-connection/

 

A great collection of research.

 

Here is her rebuff to the Harvard study:

 

Today, people championing marijuana legalization and generally looking to explain away the potential harms of using this addictive drug are trumpeting research conducted at Harvard University that found no causal link or association between adolescent marijuana use and development of schizophrenia. The preliminary study, published December 2013 in the journal Schizophrenia Research, is titled, “A Controlled Family Study of Cannabis Users With and Without Psychosis.” Its authors are Ashley C. Proal, Jerry Fleming, Juan A. Galvez-Buccollini, Lynn E. DeLisi.

For the purposes of this guide, it is important to note:

  • the main finding is that it’s not cannabis use alone, but, rather, an interplay between use and an underlying genetic vulnerability that may cause schizophrenia. This is consistent with previous research findings.
  • researchers acknowledge the limitations of this study. They compared four groups of research subjects ranging in size from 32 to 87 people. The researchers concede this sample size may not be large enough to detect actual differences. Indeed. For example, one study that found marijuana use was linked to a fourfold risk of developing psychosis involved 45,570 people and followed them for a 15-year period (See “Lancet. 1987 Dec 26;2(8574):1483-6. “Cannabis and schizophrenia. A longitudinal study of Swedish conscripts”.
  • this study is cross-sectional, not longitudinal. Longitudinal research — such as the 1987 study cited above — is needed to prove or disprove causal associations between marijuana use and psychosis and/or schizophrenia.
  • this research does not diminish repeated and widespread findings of strong association between adolescent marijuana use and psychosis. And while psychosis is not necessarily schizophrenia, it would be foolish to believe psychosis isn’t worth worrying about and guarding against.

April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg

2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones

August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg

September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg

October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg

November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg

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westcoast

Longitudinal research can't prove causation. It can only reveal correlations. Only a double-blind true experiment can do so.

 

The problem with correlational pot research, whether it is cross-sectional or longitudinal, is that the people who use it are, in many countries, law-breakers to start with, which means they might already have underlying issues. Second, they may be self-medicating (using pot to feel better), which again can point to underlying issues.

 

And heaven knows how many of them were also on psych meds in the studies we read about. (I have heard that Effexor and pot interact badly, via Erowid.com, a drug users' web forum.)

 

I knew a young woman who routinely acted like a schizophrenic when she smoked pot. I finally decided she actually was schizophrenic, but can't know how she would have turned out without pot. She also took Adderall, the adhd drug which is basically speed. Her dad was a formal bigamist (secret second family) who did time for medical manslaughter, her brother was a burglar, and her sister was dating a heroin dealer. They were all whack jobs! Both parents were medical doctors, for what that's worth.


2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink.

2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ...

Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.
2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures.

:o 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years.

I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body.

2015: I  began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning.

I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral.

And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. 

I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up.

In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body.   :unsure:

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degen12

Yes, but due to ethical reasons, these will never be done. Think of tobacco and causation. Although experiments have not been done, no one would now doubt that there is a causal relationship between tobacco smoking and lung cancer, for example.  Of course, the level of correlational research linking cannabis use to psychosis is not nearly so numerous, large, or unanimous in its findings, and there are many variables that are perhaps not yet accounted for, as you point out. 

 

I believe in the precautionary principle and a large review in the Lancet states that, "...there is now sufficient evidence to warn young people that using cannabis could increase their risk of developing a psychotic illness later in life."

 

Cannabis is a psychoactive drug, and deserves respect as any do. I do not believe that developing brains, especially those of a teenager, should be exposed to any psychotropic or psychoactive drug, plant or pharmaceutical, except at great need. I am perhaps biased here due to having been drugged since age 6.

 

Kids will be kids and some will experiment, but I don't doubt that, despite not having rock solid evidence, regular pot use in teenagers who are susceptible, will be causally linked to psychosis. Since it can be construed that all brains are developing, I will add that there are several life stages in which there are bursts of brain development. Several of these occur during our teenage years.

 

I am not making any argument that responsible adults should not be able to partake in recreational pot use.

 

How I wish that more caution was exerted in regards to the approval of many pharmaceutical-grade  psychotropic drugs.


April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg

2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones

August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg

September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg

October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg

November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg

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degen12

Would any of you now support a double-blind placebo-controlled trial, lasting several years, giving an SSRI to healthy teenagers and monitoring them for behavioural and mood changes?


April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg

2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones

August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg

September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg

October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg

November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg

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Rhiannon

 

 

Cannabis is a psychoactive drug, and deserves respect as any do. I do not believe that developing brains, especially those of a teenager, should be exposed to any psychotropic or psychoactive drug, plant or pharmaceutical, except at great need. I am perhaps biased here due to having been drugged since age 6.

 

 

 

I sure wish more people cared about this. I can't believe how many kids are on psych drugs. It's horrible. And we see the aftermath here all the time.

 

And of course nobody wants teenagers to use cannabis either! I just wish it were easier to persuade the kids themselves. At that age it's so hard to get them to care about their developing brains. 

 

Hopefully with legalization the black market will eventually become less profitable and less ubiquitous, and you'll have a situation like with alcohol and cigarettes, where kids will have to find someone with ID to buy it for them if they want it. At least that makes a slightly higher barrier than what we have now, which is pretty much nothing.

 

Don't know what to do about the psychiatrists, though. It's crazy to me that they don't even think about what a drug that perturbs neurochemistry is likely to do to a brain that's still developing. That's absolutely insane.


Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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Rhiannon

Also, maybe with legalization we'll be able to explore some of the gray areas between "it's all good" and "it's the devil."

 

Right now it's hard to find any legalization advocates who are willing to admit there may be drawbacks to cannabis use, or any legalization opponents who are willing to admit there could be benefits from it.  Like everything in actual reality, it's probably a mix of good and bad, just like alcohol I suppose, or chocolate for that matter; and the more that people can be informed about the pros and cons and make informed decisions, the better off we'll all be. 

 

The vast majority of people who use alcohol do so sensibly and responsibly, at least from what I see looking around me. Hopefully we'll get to the same place with cannabis eventually.


Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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degen12

I agree. Fear-mongering actually made things worse, at least at my school. After a school seminar in which horror stories were told of what would happen if you smoked weed, some kids uh.. paradoxically became more curious about the substance and began to experiment for the first time :ph34r: . Even I couldn't believe it could be as bad as that.

 

I also hope with legal sales one would be able to chose a strain that has the THC and CBD %, and subjective qualities that meets their individual needs.


April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg

2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones

August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg

September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg

October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg

November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg

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Ibid

This article (link below) appeared this morning on Alternet. It maintains that CBD (which doesn't get you high) and other cannabinoids aid neurogenesis and therefore may have many disease-fighting benefits, among them to combat and protect against--(and maybe aid in recovery from?)--depression. The links are pretty good. It notes other significant, positive effects as well. As many of you point out, of course, there are probably negative effects as well. More and better research please!

 

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/pot-could-save-your-life-4-ways-cannabis-good-your-brain?akid=12796.1914329.Ewqi8l&rd=1&src=newsletter1031917&t=7


Diagnosed w/ ADD and minor depression in 1990. Fluoxetine 20 mg/day. Also methylphenidate, but hated it and quit after about a week. Quit fluoxetine cold turkey (ignorance) 18 January 2013. Experienced brain zaps, flu symptoms, heart palpitations. Nothing after August 2013. Mirtazapine 15 mg/day for sleep beginning around 1999. Began tapering August 2013.  As of March 2015 I'm off mirtazapine and antidepressant free. Don't sleep well after sunrise, feel anxious and sad some of the time, still have tinnitus. Still occasionally take lorazepam for anxiety but never more than 1 mg.  Prescribed metoprolol (beta blocker) for atrial fibrillation diagnosed June 2013. Medical  opinion (two cardiologists) is that it's not caused by fluoxetine w/drawal and is a dangerous, chronic condition requiring lifelong medication. As of Aug 2013 heart palpitations for the most part ceased. Tapered beta blocker and am off of it as of Jan 2015. No wd symptoms or recurring afib at all so far. Maybe it was wd after all, but doctors don't think so, surprise surprise. However, a small victory: the last doctor I related this to shrugged her shoulders. Getting lots of exercise, which has me physically pretty robust at age 71 in spite of persistence of mirt wd symptoms, mainly insomnia and anxiety, but also jaw-clenching annoyance at noises of a certain pitch and timbre. Incessant media fixation on the presidential campaign has ruined my disposition and my faith in the future. My Introduction.

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

I agree on more research. I am just so against any chemical help for 'depression' after being burned by AD's.

 

Ibid, is there any chance you'd like to write an update in your topic and tell us how you are doing?

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/3905-ibid-prozac-stopped-doing-it/page-2


What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878

 

July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site.

 

Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey.

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indigo

Before I went on Prozac I used pot to ease stress from PTSD. It worked well but I wasn't getting much done so I stopped using it.

Prozac felt great for awhile. I became super functional. No PTSD.  But after a number of years I realized it was blunting my creativity.

(I'm a painter) so I started to taper off it.Tapering  withdrawal was manageable until I got to very low dose then all hell broke loose.

I now have a Medical Marujuana verification card for legal use of cannabis to treat severe withdrawal symptoms from Prozac. Kind of ironic.

I haven't actually used it yet because I feel as if I should  be keeping track of my withdrawal symptoms to judge the rate of my tapering.


On 20 mg of Prozac for about ten years. Sept 2012 started reducing 10% a drop using gram scale, with average of one month holds.

When I'd reached the half way mark, taking 10 mg  powder out of the 20 mg capsules, I switched over to 10 mg capsules and cutting

down from those. Withdrawals got harder the lower I dropped.  May 2013 changed to 5% drops, holding until all withdrawal symptoms gone.

January 2015 changed to liquid prozac (concentration of 20MG per 5 mL) using a 1mL oral syringe.

Current dose of fluoxetine solution equivalent 3.4 mg. Any effort to drop below this has been disastrous so for the time being I'm staying at this level.
Adding 200 mg Tryptophan and 200 GABA a day has helped with anxiety.
Also take 1,300mg Omega- 3,  875mg  Magnesium, 1800mg Curcumin, 1000mg Vit C, 5000 Vit D.
 

 

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antidepressantsNoMore

Pot may help those going through chemotherapy, degenerative dieases, neurological dieases but it has a lot of downsides. Now, not everyone who smokes pot experiences the negative side-effects but I did. Pot CAN most def. cause paranoia and anxiety especially for those who suffer from anxiety disorders. You couldn't pay me to touch that crap ever again.


2 Years free of w/d.

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InvisibleUnless

weed helps me with withdrawal sometimes (and i was on benzos, ADs, AAPs, etc).  my body is not always able to handle it, and ive partaken of much smaller portions at much fewer intervals the past many years.  ive used it with different levels of success for intractable muscle dystonia, neurological upset, and other often incapacitating elements.

 

here is a short 'factoid' response list from academic research papers (i wrote for college back in the day), independent research, and personal experience:

 

-RE-legalization is about money, just like the initial, belated illegalization was about money.  industry, taxation, and control of assets (like guns and contributions to gang coffers that could go elsewhere), and everything involved in political campaigning and officiating are the push behind drug proscription and permission.  im sure this sounds familiar to people facing severe pharmaceutical withdrawal.

 

-weed has properties that both help alleviate psych disorders AND can agitate them.  cannabis is a natural antipsychotic, anxiolytic, and antidepressant, however weedflower is a highly varied collection of chemicals and achieving appropriate and effective doses for particular problems is a matter of professional breeding and studied discussion rather than grabbing a dimebag on your local streetcorner.  there have been no proven causal effects between adult marijuana use and the development of mental illness, however many users report weed kicking up a storm for their bipolar/schizo-whateveritmaybe, or other issues, and data suggests that smoking may provoke earlier incidents of already developing or to-be-developing mental illness diagnoses.  i have had a prescription for several years now for depression and anxiety, and have known many individuals that find it to help with such psych conditions, but there is no panacea in medicine, and no treatment that works or is safe for everyone.  and, of course, marijuana can be dangerous or growth-inhibiting in pre-mature individuals, just like any other psychotropic compounds (psych meds, some painkillers, etc), and regular use would most likely be irresponsible at best.

 

its much like how weed has cancer fighting abilities, but many methods of dosing can entail carcinogenic risks---burning plant or rolling paper/blunt wraps, for instance (which generally does not precipitate the same degree of damage or danger as cigarette or tobacco smoking because active compounds from the cannabis are contained within the smoke and are administered directly to the lungs for local as well as systemic affect).  marijuana is a potent herb and should be treated with the respect and careful specificity of other medicative psychoactive compounds.

 

-the positive benefits are not limited to the CBD, and oftentimes the THC, CBD, and other compounds work together in your body to create the most helpful constellation of beneficial effects.  however, a general principle is that CBD is often the most effective primary ingredient for many pain and inflammation issues, and THC (especially high-THC, low-CBD strains) is often the riskier ingredient when it comes to agitating pre-extant conditions that are sensitive to psychotropic stimulation (including alcohol, meds, etc).

 

-mixing weed with alcohol, and especially mixing weed with psych meds, can be dangerous!  weed can combine with medications like antidepressants to set off serotonin storm, and, like any of these medications, even taking it on its own does not guarantee safety.  everyone has different physiology and drug-reactiveness, and there are risks and benefits just like any other food, herb, or medication.  its not for everyone, and should not be treated as if it can be.

 

 

as for people cautious about literature mentioning receptor binding behavior...i think its good youve learned from your negative experiences with the medical establishment and know enough about terminology to see something potentially dangerous.  however, receptor binding is how our brain works, and everything we eat, breathe, and interact with changes what chemicals are available and how our brain chooses to handle those resources.  im not trying to say eating a piece of ham is the same as toking a joint, but the point is that our existence as humans is predicated on marinating our brains in chemicals, and trying to find the most productive balances through proper diet, activity, and ritual.  one hugely important factor here is internal perception---you can get better from mere meditation when people who take ADs or smoke weed or go through psychotherapy may or may not succeed, and the variable mental environment shapes how studies of compounds are reported on, run, and carried out in interpretation.

 

so, i feel we can agree that studies cant make a drug or decision safe or unsafe, and we ourselves are the most knowledgeable of our workings and responsible for our own wellbeing, even when corporations and governments try to get us to relinquish increasing amounts of that control.  weed is not good for everyone, and anyone with bad medication history or withdrawal should be especially skeptical and cautious.  fearing receptor binding action as an independent phenomenon is not, ultimately, a coherent response, but the degree of action, particularity of targeting, preferential operation, etc are all meaningful things to consider when wondering if a food or supplement or physical experience could potentially be dangerous.

 

please consult professional and learned sources (hopefully interactive ones) before deciding if weed could be helpful for your own set of issues.  someone being a doctor (even a MMJ-prescribing doctor) or working at a high end dispensary does not necessarily make them qualified or helpful!  some of them can be, and some are most decidedly not.  the internet is a good ground-level research platform, but sometimes nuances or specifics of recommendation need to come from someone who can know your personal history and particularities.  given the power and steep learning curve for medical administration of weed, i personally think it should be low on the list of things to try for people who are adequately managing their withdrawal already or are not so desperate that they need immediate and significant assistance.

 

 

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a few interesting tidbits off the top of my head, not particularly relevant to overall issues herein discussed, but good context:

 

-there are still patients receiving federal weed in america

-initial studies into the legalization in colorado reflect a decline in both relative and gross mortality when viewing statistics of public behavior like traffic accidents

-government efforts to poison and otherwise compromise drug cash crops abroad, including marijuana, are resulting in serious health problems for individuals---quite arguably more disease and death than the free use of marijuana

-countries legalizing or decriminalizing weed (and other far more potent drugs, even) generally see a correlating decline in non-drug criminal behavior, incarcerations, and social costs

-criminalization of drug activity in america is one of the primary causal factors behind the current continuing spread of several deadly and/or debilitating diseases like AIDS, and is the #1 factor in some metropolitan areas


from 2005-2012, i spent 7 years taking 17 different psychotropic medications covering several classes.  i would be taking 3-7 medications at a time, and 6 out of the 17 medications listed below were maxed or overmaxed in clinical dosage before i moved on to trying the next unhelpful cocktail.
 
antidepressants (SSRIs, SNRIs, NDRIs, tetracyclics): zoloft, wellbutrin, effexor, lexapro, prozac, cymbalta, remeron
antipsychotics (atypical): abilify, zyprexa, risperdal, geodon
sleep aids (benzos, off-label antidepressants & antipsychotics, hypnotics): seroquel, temazepam, trazodone, ambien
anxiolytics: buspar
anticonvulsants: topamax
 
i tapered off all psychotropics from late 2011 through early 2013, one by one.  since quitting, ive been cycling through severe, disabling withdrawal symptoms spanning the gamut of the serious, less serious, and rather worrisome side effects of these assorted medications.  previous cross-tapering and medication or dosage changes had also caused undiagnosed withdrawal symptoms.
 
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Lexy

I told my doctor I use medical marijuana to ease wds. He said as long as I didn't have any negative effects coming from it then it's ok.

The cannabis is the only things that helps me get out of dark intrusive thoughts. It also helps with body aches and anxiety wds.


Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds

Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg.

Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg

May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg

Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45

Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg

Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg

Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89

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sky68

Guess MJ works for some, and does not so for others.

I used to blow one a day, also in my depressive period, which eased my stress and found it beneficial.

 

But then all of a sudden this totally changed over to severe anxiety and panic attacks. And I am sure it was because of the MJ. So I quit totally (about half way in my tapering period).

 

What does make me feel quite a bit more relaxing, and taking the tension away, is using CBD oil. It has almost no THC in it, and is not psychoactive by itself. Just a few drops under my tongue when I go to bed, I feel quite an improvement of my anxiety levels that had built up during the day.

 

Don't underestimate the power of MJ, in both positive and negative way!


Diagnosis: GAD (2008), clinical depression (2012), again clinical depression (2016) and ptsd (2016)

History of: paroxetine, lexapro, sertraline, bupropion, zyprexa, seroquel, nortrilen, oxazepam, lorazepam, diazepam, nortriptyline.

 

Successfully came off nortriptyline after a full year of tapering from 100 mg. Quit in May 2015.

February 2016 started mirtazapine, followed by levothyroxine in April 2016 (diagnosis hypothyroidism)

 

Current meds/supplements: mirtazapine 15 mg, levothyroxine 50 µg, diazepam 1mg (tapering off) and melatonin 5 mg.

 

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I'd like to add that I do not advocate the use of MJ, CBD or whatever. Please don't take the above as a suggestion or advice.

These are only my experiences, that's all.


Diagnosis: GAD (2008), clinical depression (2012), again clinical depression (2016) and ptsd (2016)

History of: paroxetine, lexapro, sertraline, bupropion, zyprexa, seroquel, nortrilen, oxazepam, lorazepam, diazepam, nortriptyline.

 

Successfully came off nortriptyline after a full year of tapering from 100 mg. Quit in May 2015.

February 2016 started mirtazapine, followed by levothyroxine in April 2016 (diagnosis hypothyroidism)

 

Current meds/supplements: mirtazapine 15 mg, levothyroxine 50 µg, diazepam 1mg (tapering off) and melatonin 5 mg.

 

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I had a HORRIFIC reaction to marijuana about a year ago that set me back over a year.  I wouldn't recommend anyone try marijuana unless you can ensure a SMALL dose and work your way up carefully.  Recreational smoking with friends can be EXTREMELY dangerous for hypersensitive withdrawal sufferers.  Seriously folks, this topic is nice and all, but my life was destroyed by smoking pot during withdrawals.  The DP/DR just got like 5X worse and it destroyed my nervous system.  Four hits.

 

So if you're thinking about smoking pot, maybe you can read my horror story on the subject (http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8788-oskcajga-partial-recovery-ssrisnri-withdrawal-and-adverse-reaction/)

 

Here's my prediction:  1)  It might work for you, 2) it might not do anything, or 3) it might ruin your life.   In my case, I tried marijuana 2X during withdrawal, I got the #1 response the first time and the #3 response the second time.  Whoops.  

 

I couldn't possibly recommend anything LESS than marijuana for withdrawal (unless you can do VERY small doses and see how it works).  I would never recommend bong hits or high doses of the stuff.  Even small doses combined with other medications you may be taking can mess up your central nervous system very well.

 

"legalize marijuana" is a nice theme, and it's popular these days, but for folks with hypersensitivity marijuana can spell absolute disaster unless very carefully taken.

 

Note, if you insist in smoking, I'd have someone who knows you that can cut you off once you stop.  The DP/DR effects of marijuana can make it hard to guage how much you are smoking or ingesting, making it VERY easy to overdose accidentally.  That's basically how I destroyed my life with marijuana.

 

If you would like to know what happened, basically I got too high too quickly on some strong stuff that a close friend of mine was smoking in a group.  I got high on like 1 hit, but didn't realize it, and then proceeded to take bigger and bigger hits without even realizing it.  I then had like a 12 hour panic attack, and then recurrent panic attacks for the next 6-9 MONTHS.  MONTHS folks, thats 9 months straight of heart palpitations, night sweats, difficulty sleeping, numbness tingling, HORRIBLE DP/DR, psycotic thoughts and ideas, the list just goes on and on and on.  It's now been about 1 year since I smoked the pot, and I'm like 50-75% recovered from my already fucked up withdrawal state before I smoked the pot (so maybe like 10-20% recovered overall).  So I lost a LOT of progress.  Very ******* tragic, really.

 

Just my 2C, hopefully someone here who's on the fence will be dissuaded by my story and save themselves 9-18 months of hell because of it. 

 

--

to stay on topic - I'm not so sure if something as powerful as marijuana should be purchased at the local supermarket or pot shop by ANYONE over the age of 18.  there are a LOT of people that end up with depersonalization and derealization, psycosis, etc, just after smoking pot once.  Usually, folks smoke too much at once, but without a doctor telling you how much to smoke, how are you supposed to figure it out?  Sometimes you get a little carried away, and then BAM you're screwed for years.  Go to http://www.dpselfhelp.com/forum/, lots of those folks got DP/DR after smoking pot just once.  After my experiences with pot, I'm not sure if it should be legal or not.  There's a shitload of unnecessary imprisonment that occurs, and I totally disagree with the legal system - for that reason, I'd say yes to legalization.  However, there are substantial risks people take by smoking pot, it should be labelled as extremely dangerous and provided instructions for use (i.e., start a small dose and increase as tolerance improves).

 

Idk, my 2C again.

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I have tapered down to a very small dose of Prozac but even with minute drops still experience dark, anxious days after dropping.

I was prescribed medical marujuana a couple of months ago to help with these withdrawal symptoms. I felt a bit nervous about it,

but yesterday had one inhale late afternoon. Have to say it totally lifted my anxiety and dread for the rest of the day. Everyone is different.


On 20 mg of Prozac for about ten years. Sept 2012 started reducing 10% a drop using gram scale, with average of one month holds.

When I'd reached the half way mark, taking 10 mg  powder out of the 20 mg capsules, I switched over to 10 mg capsules and cutting

down from those. Withdrawals got harder the lower I dropped.  May 2013 changed to 5% drops, holding until all withdrawal symptoms gone.

January 2015 changed to liquid prozac (concentration of 20MG per 5 mL) using a 1mL oral syringe.

Current dose of fluoxetine solution equivalent 3.4 mg. Any effort to drop below this has been disastrous so for the time being I'm staying at this level.
Adding 200 mg Tryptophan and 200 GABA a day has helped with anxiety.
Also take 1,300mg Omega- 3,  875mg  Magnesium, 1800mg Curcumin, 1000mg Vit C, 5000 Vit D.
 

 

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Indigo,

 

Do you know anything about the amount of THC in the medical marijuana you're using? I've been considering some for treatment of pain, but very much doubt my doc would prescribe. I'm thinking I might grow my own, if I could find seeds low in THC.

 

I've used some pot a number of times through withdrawal, mostly micro-dosing to treat symptoms. I make crackers, so it's easier for me to control the amount I'm taking in. I found it helped with nausea and also with mood. But now, seems to not be doing much of anything for mood..and I might be having a reaction a few days later..though it's hard to tell for sure.


Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a.few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission.

Current Medications: Natural Dessicated Thyroid 22.5 mg/day

Current Supplements: Vitamin C, D, K2, B12, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium lotion, oil, or epsom salts bath daily, CBD, and cannabis.What has helped me most: qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats..

My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282

Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself.

 

“After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.”
Mary Oliver
 

 

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My mm came from the original medical marijuana collective in California. They grow their own organically.

(something to consider if you buy from other dispensaries)

The mm I got is  60% indica, 40% sativa. Didn't get the THC content,

but one toke lifted  dark thoughts and dread, without getting me really stoned.

In this town you can buy MM seedlings of different kinds on Craigslist.

You could check it out in your area but no way of knowing what you're buying is what they say it is.

 Definitely wouldn't risk buying seeds this way.

Growing your own is the way to go.


On 20 mg of Prozac for about ten years. Sept 2012 started reducing 10% a drop using gram scale, with average of one month holds.

When I'd reached the half way mark, taking 10 mg  powder out of the 20 mg capsules, I switched over to 10 mg capsules and cutting

down from those. Withdrawals got harder the lower I dropped.  May 2013 changed to 5% drops, holding until all withdrawal symptoms gone.

January 2015 changed to liquid prozac (concentration of 20MG per 5 mL) using a 1mL oral syringe.

Current dose of fluoxetine solution equivalent 3.4 mg. Any effort to drop below this has been disastrous so for the time being I'm staying at this level.
Adding 200 mg Tryptophan and 200 GABA a day has helped with anxiety.
Also take 1,300mg Omega- 3,  875mg  Magnesium, 1800mg Curcumin, 1000mg Vit C, 5000 Vit D.
 

 

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CA is miles ahead of where we are here in terms of mm. I found a farm on the island that grows organically. My next problem would be in finding a doc to prescribe. Health Canada has made it a complicated process, so I suspect many people end up buying on the street instead..where you have no idea at all of what you're getting. I buy mine from a friend of a friend. He grows a very small operation, only for himself and a few friends. I've been told he doesn't use chemicals, but who knows if that's true or not. The main problem for me is that he is always changing up what he grows...so in that respect, I don't know what I'm getting..and I suspect the goal for most people is getting high, which is not mine. One of my friends in CA is growing his own this year. He bought seeds through a Canadian company, which I've looked at. He has a prescription for psych issues. He believes it has saved his life.

 

I really prefer taking it in through food, rather than smoking it. I find it gentler and also, easier on my lungs. I need to make my crackers gluten free though, which I haven't done yet...will have to adjust the recipe.

 

I'm glad it proved helpful for you and that it continues to do so.


Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a.few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission.

Current Medications: Natural Dessicated Thyroid 22.5 mg/day

Current Supplements: Vitamin C, D, K2, B12, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium lotion, oil, or epsom salts bath daily, CBD, and cannabis.What has helped me most: qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats..

My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282

Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself.

 

“After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.”
Mary Oliver
 

 

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Wishing you the best with this. 


On 20 mg of Prozac for about ten years. Sept 2012 started reducing 10% a drop using gram scale, with average of one month holds.

When I'd reached the half way mark, taking 10 mg  powder out of the 20 mg capsules, I switched over to 10 mg capsules and cutting

down from those. Withdrawals got harder the lower I dropped.  May 2013 changed to 5% drops, holding until all withdrawal symptoms gone.

January 2015 changed to liquid prozac (concentration of 20MG per 5 mL) using a 1mL oral syringe.

Current dose of fluoxetine solution equivalent 3.4 mg. Any effort to drop below this has been disastrous so for the time being I'm staying at this level.
Adding 200 mg Tryptophan and 200 GABA a day has helped with anxiety.
Also take 1,300mg Omega- 3,  875mg  Magnesium, 1800mg Curcumin, 1000mg Vit C, 5000 Vit D.
 

 

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there are reliable mail-order sites for seeds (though i dont know of any current ones offhand).  also remember to try to regulate your day/night cycles and have extra goodies for the plants like guana/fertilizer and even more experimental (but proven) techniques like sub-aural sonic stimulation if you can manage.  each breed has different sets of preferences, but there are some plants that are much easier to take care of while still meeting your CBD/THC ratio needs.  many dispensaries or shops have treelings you can get and then grow to maturity on your own, as well.

 

i dont know if i buy that CBD is 'not psychoactive', but its classification is kind of arbitrary because what counts is the experience as an individual---does it meet your needs or does it muck stuff up.  CBD is not the only thing to pay attention to when shopping for the ideal blend---THC has a synergistic effect with CBD, which means sometimes your benefits come from having both, even if they are regarded to be in the CBD spectrum of positive effects, and there are many other special chemicals appearing in different amounts in each strain that have an influence on the effect.  its more like buying a painting than choosing a material type for making pants.

 

i would write to a knowledgeable/experienced weed pharmacist about picking out strains that are best for your respective conditions/experiences and also liable to be grown more accommodatingly in private settings.  if you cant reach someone good, there are many websites dedicated to documenting the medical and experiential effects of particular stains---but be advised that many people either do not know or knowingly mislabel their strains, some strains have multiple names (or some names have competing identities), and that not all official strains or crossbreeds have the exact same ratios and effects.

 

microdosing and non-inhalation administration seem like great ideas to me, so i hope others are encouraged by the success of people here with that.  (which is, of course, not to suggest its right for some people, or that anyone should make a change based on the experiences or opinions in these posts.)  im afraid of eating my doses right now because it seems harder for me to regulate amount and effect that way (and the consequences in terms of duration can be more dire), but it is definitely easier on some peoples systems.  partly depends on how your internal organs are doing, i would think.


from 2005-2012, i spent 7 years taking 17 different psychotropic medications covering several classes.  i would be taking 3-7 medications at a time, and 6 out of the 17 medications listed below were maxed or overmaxed in clinical dosage before i moved on to trying the next unhelpful cocktail.
 
antidepressants (SSRIs, SNRIs, NDRIs, tetracyclics): zoloft, wellbutrin, effexor, lexapro, prozac, cymbalta, remeron
antipsychotics (atypical): abilify, zyprexa, risperdal, geodon
sleep aids (benzos, off-label antidepressants & antipsychotics, hypnotics): seroquel, temazepam, trazodone, ambien
anxiolytics: buspar
anticonvulsants: topamax
 
i tapered off all psychotropics from late 2011 through early 2013, one by one.  since quitting, ive been cycling through severe, disabling withdrawal symptoms spanning the gamut of the serious, less serious, and rather worrisome side effects of these assorted medications.  previous cross-tapering and medication or dosage changes had also caused undiagnosed withdrawal symptoms.
 
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Thanks for your input invisible. Seems like you have a lot of knowledge on this subject. I'm only at the beginning of learning.

 

Home growing might be more than I'm willing/able to take on right now...a big part of wanting to do it is simply knowing what has gone into it and not the use of chemicals..which seems to be a source of a lot of my problems these days.

 

I'm also using it very infrequently right now. I am generally going several months between uses. I try using every other healing tool I have, before resorting to pot. There is always the risk it could make things worse, even in small doses..

 

For awhile, I wasn't able to take the crackers. When my digestion was bad, nothing would happen for about 6 hours after taking it..then it would hit me like a ton of bricks, about the time I was ready to go to bed. That's when I stopped using any of it, as smoking was very irritating to my lungs at that point, even 1 tiny hit.


Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a.few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission.

Current Medications: Natural Dessicated Thyroid 22.5 mg/day

Current Supplements: Vitamin C, D, K2, B12, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium lotion, oil, or epsom salts bath daily, CBD, and cannabis.What has helped me most: qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats..

My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282

Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself.

 

“After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.”
Mary Oliver
 

 

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growing can be a serious chore, and i wouldnt really recommend a first time grower tackle it while going through withdrawal.  most measures are just about boosting your quality and purity, as opposed to being absolutely vital to produce medication at all, but taking care of extra people, animals, or plants is a lot of work.

 

im a tad researched (and ive known a few growers)...mostly i just live in california (the amsterdam of america, despite colorado and washington having broader legalization policies), and have read some agricultural articles and weed politics magazines.  im glad you are highly suspicious of random origins...ive been lucky enough to largely account for my products via direct lineage, due to my location.  all sorts of chemicals, bad methods, and middleman contaminants can complicate or compromise your medication, and its a real shame.

 

ive had to ditch item after item due to increasing sensitivity to chemical contents...deodorant, most ice creams, tap water, etc.  i hope you can find some sort of legitimate source for the time being.  i dont really know the current cannabis situation in canada (or bc specifically, either, if each province has a say), but if you can get government vouched weed, id hope that would be at least a bit more reliable.  and if medical cannabis is legal there, perhaps there are collectives that would allow you to join (where you help them grow the community garden and then everyone gets a share---if you are disabled beyond the point of most work, i bet theyd understand and try to find a way for you to contribute).

 

if its a long process to get a script, i dont think i can really advise you specifically on it, but if theres waiting periods and tons of paperwork, id do as much as i could online/beforehand, and seek a recommendation to a doctor that knows about cannabis as a treatment tool and can give you a prescription that is direct and informed.  its really easy to get a weed prescription here, but there are a lot of shady docs/clinics/non-doctor prescribers that dont hold up to scrutiny as well, so finding someone aboveboard is important.

 

i imagine your options are somewhat limited there, but there are easier non-inhalation ways of taking your doses relatively precisely available some places.  less healthy things, like sodas, but also less recreational themed stuff, like CBD pills or suspension droppers (liquid, like homeopathic stuff or whatnot).  and, depending on the application you are requiring, some conditions are helped through topical medications---salves, lotions, 'skin butters', etc.  i dont know the laws there about shipping that stuff through the mail (perhaps authorized providers can drop ship from their location?), but hopefully working out a prescription and getting mail order could work if local options are too unreliable.

 

if you are in doubt about the safety of your available stock, i could try researching ways to try to reduce potential contaminants in samples.  its often hard to part plants from grown-in chemicals, but sometimes there are ways (usually involving state-changes).


from 2005-2012, i spent 7 years taking 17 different psychotropic medications covering several classes.  i would be taking 3-7 medications at a time, and 6 out of the 17 medications listed below were maxed or overmaxed in clinical dosage before i moved on to trying the next unhelpful cocktail.
 
antidepressants (SSRIs, SNRIs, NDRIs, tetracyclics): zoloft, wellbutrin, effexor, lexapro, prozac, cymbalta, remeron
antipsychotics (atypical): abilify, zyprexa, risperdal, geodon
sleep aids (benzos, off-label antidepressants & antipsychotics, hypnotics): seroquel, temazepam, trazodone, ambien
anxiolytics: buspar
anticonvulsants: topamax
 
i tapered off all psychotropics from late 2011 through early 2013, one by one.  since quitting, ive been cycling through severe, disabling withdrawal symptoms spanning the gamut of the serious, less serious, and rather worrisome side effects of these assorted medications.  previous cross-tapering and medication or dosage changes had also caused undiagnosed withdrawal symptoms.
 
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You've provided a lot of great information here invisible. I'll probably come back and read again. I really appreciate your knowledge and input.

 

I think right now, growing my own is probably too much. I live on 1/4 acre lot which keeps me more than busy through this time of year. I even opted to plant the majority of my veggies in pots this year..to try and make things easier on myself. So, adding something I'm totally unfamiliar with on top of all of this is not a great idea at the moment.

 

I'd have to get the support of my own doctor, even if I can also find someone else who would prescribe. He'd have to submit information on what I've already tried for pain, and other stuff from my medical history. He is terrible at completing forms. It was a huge problem when I was going through legal stuff regarding a car accident. He just kept ignoring letters from the lawyers on both sides of the issue. It held things up. Also, he has been largely unsupportive of me choosing alternatives over western medicine. So, I have limited hopes of him doing anything for me on this count.

 

I currently live in a very small community. There are no sanctioned growers nearby and no community-type situations here. I found a place on the mainland that will prescribe, but it costs almost $400 to do it..not something I feel I can afford right now.

 

For the moment, I'm so rarely using that perhaps I need to just set this aside for a time. When I had a bit of cracker a few weeks ago, it was the first time in about 5 months. I do miss the relief that it used to bring me..but maybe it makes me more dedicated to other practices.

 

I'm sorry to hear about your chemical sensitivities. Tap water? Wow, that's intense if you can't even drink regular water. I tried to eliminate as many toxins as I could when I developed histamine problems. I use unscented, gentle, and natural produces as much as possible. But I can't afford to eat organic, except what comes from my own garden...I suspect that all plays a role in my health..but we each do what we can.

 

Thanks again for your help.


Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a.few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission.

Current Medications: Natural Dessicated Thyroid 22.5 mg/day

Current Supplements: Vitamin C, D, K2, B12, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium lotion, oil, or epsom salts bath daily, CBD, and cannabis.What has helped me most: qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats..

My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282

Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself.

 

“After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.”
Mary Oliver
 

 

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Hi All, I just want to ask if anyone ever tried using medical cannabis as an alternative meds? I have read many articles about medical marijuana and how it can help you in terms of chronic pain, glaucoma, eating disorder/anorexia, anxiety disorders and panic attacks, inflammation, even cancer and a lot more. Like this article about a marijuana strain:Sour Jack from:http://www.ilovegrowingmarijuana.com/sour-jack/ . Cbd and thc are also new to me and I don't even smoke. If this is true I cant find any solid conclusive evidence that speaks to its efficacy. Any personal experience or testimonial would be highly appreciated. Thanks

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Though I am not able to partake, has anyone found marijuana helpful?

 

I ask because as this becomes legal in more and more places, someone must have some experience with it and how it applies to and effects depression/withdrawal?  How many people would never have been exposed to the wonderful world of antidepressants in the first place?


wellbutrin back in the 90's

various ssri's since then,  lexapro 20mg 10yrs

lots of aspartame 2yrs prior to quitting

quit C/T >1 year, had grandmal seizure @2 months off

 

1mg klonopin nightly post seizure - now cut to .5mg

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Don’t go there.


Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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Centime

I self-medicated with pot for many years, though I recently quit as part of withdrawal from ALL drugs. Does anyone have any info about the interaction of marijuana and SSRIs?


Long history with many psych drugs beginning in 1987. Went through two too-fast Paxil withdrawals in the past. Ended up in ER both times. I successfully got off Wellbutrin, and (occasional only) Seroquel, Concerta, and Klonopin over six months. Current supplements: multivitamin, probiotic, D3, magnesium, CBD. Current drugs: Ranitidine 300 mg. for acid reflux, Paxil (tapering off).

 

Paxil Taper History, 2018/2019

Jan.1: 60 mg. May 1: 55 mg. May 13: 50 mg. June 3: 47.5 mg. June 14: 45 mg. June 21: 42.5 mg. July 5: 40 mg. Switched to figuring by weight. 40 mg. = .704 July 22: .686. July 29: .669. August 5: .652. August 12: .635. September 2: 30 mg. October 2: 25 mg. November 2: 22 mg. December 1: 20 mg. January 6: 18 mg. Now using a digital scale and an emery board to taper. January 16: I decided to go back on the drugs after a year of tapering. I’m more depressed than ever, and do not believe it’s withdrawal. Thank you, everyone, for your support, advice, and kindness. Centime.

 

 

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Merged similar topics.

 

Marijuana's effects are complex. Nobody understands its action. For our members, the effects are unpredictable. Some have benefitted and others have not.

 

If withdrawal syndrome has made you very sensitive to drugs, I would avoid marijuana.


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Centime

I'm definitely avoiding pot for the indefinite future. Although it worked wonders on the language problems I was having due to the Paxil (I'm a writer), I grew dependent on it. Now that I'm tapering off Paxil, I want to know exactly what's going on with nothing confusing the issue. My main concern is how long-term use might have affected my brain chemistry as far as withdrawal is concerned. I'm being very cautious and don't want to throw any wild cards into the mix. Thanks for linking me to this thread.


Long history with many psych drugs beginning in 1987. Went through two too-fast Paxil withdrawals in the past. Ended up in ER both times. I successfully got off Wellbutrin, and (occasional only) Seroquel, Concerta, and Klonopin over six months. Current supplements: multivitamin, probiotic, D3, magnesium, CBD. Current drugs: Ranitidine 300 mg. for acid reflux, Paxil (tapering off).

 

Paxil Taper History, 2018/2019

Jan.1: 60 mg. May 1: 55 mg. May 13: 50 mg. June 3: 47.5 mg. June 14: 45 mg. June 21: 42.5 mg. July 5: 40 mg. Switched to figuring by weight. 40 mg. = .704 July 22: .686. July 29: .669. August 5: .652. August 12: .635. September 2: 30 mg. October 2: 25 mg. November 2: 22 mg. December 1: 20 mg. January 6: 18 mg. Now using a digital scale and an emery board to taper. January 16: I decided to go back on the drugs after a year of tapering. I’m more depressed than ever, and do not believe it’s withdrawal. Thank you, everyone, for your support, advice, and kindness. Centime.

 

 

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We know that long-term pot users will experience withdrawal if they suddenly quit. That suggests that, while marijuana affects many kinds of receptors, it must cause some adaptation.

 

You can assume recovery from chronic marijuana use will be like other withdrawal syndrome recoveries: Very gradual.


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On 1/28/2015 at 7:42 PM, WiggleIt said:

I hate to burst y'all's bubbles, but weed damages people also. It just takes longer.

 

Although, honestly, these psych meds are the WORST thing I've ever seen, ever. So, weed probably would have been better for everyone here for anxiety.

 

Have I mentioned I hate this world?

I’m using cannabis with THC for anxiety...very moderate. 

Im using CBD oil everyday to help me with withdrawal

 


 

1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018

May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg

July 20/19 -9.75 mg

Aug  12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder

Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, tai chi, yoga, art

Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg

October 2020: continuing to  hold at 15 mg Paxil 

 

 

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On 6/26/2018 at 1:34 PM, Blandell said:

I’m using cannabis with THC for anxiety...very moderate. 

Im using CBD oil everyday to help me with withdrawal

 


Hello Blandell, 

Wow, I wrote that anti-weed comment three years ago.  My feelings on weed have changed.  In 2015, I was only one year off psych meds, and at that point in time I grew to hate EVERYTHING that was any kind of drug at all.  Nowadays, I'm much more mellow in my perspective.  I still don't think weed is anything to sneeze at or to take its usage lightly (bc it really can mess with people), but I do recognize that it can have very helpful value for some people.  

Just be careful and listen to your body.

I wish you healing and peace.


**I'm not a doctor and don't give medical advice, merely personal experience
***Off all meds since Nov. 2014. Mentally & emotionally recovered; physically not
-Dual cold turkeys off TCA & Ativan in Oct 2014. Prescribed from 2011-2014

-All meds were Rxed off-label for an autoimmune illness.  It was a MISDIAGNOSIS, but I did not find out until AFTER meds caused damage.  All med tapers/cold turkeys directed by doctors 

-Nortriptyline May 2012 - Dec 2013. Cold turkey off nortrip & cold switched to desipramine

-Desipramine Jan 2014 - Oct. 29, 2014 (rapid taper/cold turkey)

-Lorazepam 1 mg per night during 2011
-Lorazepam 1 mg per month in 2012 (or less)

-Lorazepam on & off, Dec 2013 through Aug 2014. Didn't exceed 3x a week

-Lorazepam again in Oct. 2014 to help get off of desipramine. Last dose lzpam was 1 mg, Nov. 2, 2014. Immediate paradoxical reactions to benzos after stopping TCAs 

-First muscle/dystonia side effects started on nortriptyline, but docs too stupid to figure it out. On desipramine, muscle tremors & rigidity worsened

-Two weeks after I got off all meds, I developed full-blown TD.  Tardive dystonia, dyskinesia, myoclonic jerks ALL over body, ribcage wiggles, facial tics, twitching tongue & fingers, tremors/twitches of arms, legs, cognitive impairment, throat muscles semi-paralyzed & unable to swallow solid food, brain zaps, ears ring, dizzy, everything looks too far away, insomnia, numbness & electric shocks everywhere when I try to fall asleep, jerk awake from sleep with big, gasping breaths, wake with terrors & tremors, severely depressed.  NO HISTORY OF DEPRESSION, EVER. Meds CREATED it.

-Month 7: hair falling out; no vision improvement; still tardive dystonia; facial & tongue tics returned
-Month 8: back to acute, incl. Grand Mal seizure-like episodes. New mental torment, PGAD, worse insomnia
-Month 9: tardive dystonia worse, dyskinesia returned. Unable to breathe well due to dystonia in stomach, chest, throat
-Month 13: Back to acute, brain zaps back, developed eczema & stomach problems. Left leg no longer works right due to dystonia, meaning both legs now damaged
-4 years off: Huge improvements, incl. improved dystonia

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